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On September 26 2012 07:39 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 07:36 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 26 2012 07:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok so if you are going to be the last vote then you must say so in advance? no, you shouldn't vote as last if the guy had no chance to defend or claim. if you do anyway and he flips town, you will be lynched. that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense
sorry, I didn't get what you meant because if someone is one vote from lynching then he ought to know
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On September 26 2012 07:28 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote:
So lets have a boring policy discussion to get us dicsussing something until someone does something scummy!
This is the first game I've played with instant majority lynch. It seems like it can cut off day time and bring nights faster, which presumably would help scum. What are people's opinions on establishing a second nonbinding vote system and agreeing not to vote for real until like 24 hours or more into a day?
Also lets random lynch day 1! On one hand you would like to be careful with the voting because of the instant majority, on the other you would like a random lynch. So why would you like a random lynch d1?
I want both of those things.
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On September 26 2012 06:56 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? As someone who has suggested random lynches in the past i will be against it this game because it is stupid.
Why did you suggest it in the past and why is it stupid now
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On September 26 2012 07:59 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 06:56 iamperfection wrote:On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? As someone who has suggested random lynches in the past i will be against it this game because it is stupid. Why did you suggest it in the past and why is it stupid now
i cant talk about why i did in rockband because its an ongoing game but from my exp when palmar suggested it in my previous game it seems to be somewhat good generator of discussion but it seems to catch more stupid townies then it does scum.
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On September 26 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote:
So lets have a boring policy discussion to get us dicsussing something until someone does something scummy!
This is the first game I've played with instant majority lynch. It seems like it can cut off day time and bring nights faster, which presumably would help scum. What are people's opinions on establishing a second nonbinding vote system and agreeing not to vote for real until like 24 hours or more into a day?
Also lets random lynch day 1!
If you are the last person to vote and there is still time on the clock, let the thread know who you are voting for in advance so a discussion can still be made. Excellent policy. I agree 100% and would like to see this every time.
I will be against rng this game because of the inevidable dilemma of: "I am fine with a random lynch as long as I'm the one who picks because I trust no one." The only way we'd have someone we can trust is if Boxer's in the game and he claimed; I don't think Boxer should claim day 1. Also the games I've played on TL there's usually no problem finding a target day 1. No reason to waste a day killing a random if there's a legitimate target.
Last time I suggested a rng it was my first game of mafia and I got crucified for it. I've never had an rng work. It's kind of a curious suggestion. Why did you suggest random vote?
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I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
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Random lynch still dumb, as always. I don't even like it as a discussion starter.
Small mini, and we're going to have to work to keep things active and make sure everyone is involved. I don't think we need some kind of warning requirement before hammering, because everyone needs to be active and you shouldn't be waiting until you might or might not get hammered to speak up and make a defense or actually post. Everyone should be on notice from D1 that we're instant majority, just like you signed up for, and you need to actually participate.
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it's not a discussion starter. it's a gambit. find palmar's post on it. it only works if at least a few townies go along with it though.
anyway austin all that stuff you said was reasonable but not helpful. what is your opinion on that statement.
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most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
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On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
as marv told me when i complained about in the qt better to have to much than to little.
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Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
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Also Also, where is ShiaoPi?
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On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote:
Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote:
I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
I asked why YOU wanted to random lynch not why Palmar sometimes random lynches. Palmar isn't even in this game. Why are you dodging? I'm not going to go searching for a random Palmar post about mafia and I'm not going to let you drop Palmar's name like that's an excuse to do something that is widely reguarded as a bad move.
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On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
Don't be shy. If you're townie, there is nothing to fear. Just try not to clutter up the thread.
We are off to a really slow start, something that can generate usefull discussion is always welcome.
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On September 26 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote:
Random lynch still dumb, as always. I don't even like it as a discussion starter.
Small mini, and we're going to have to work to keep things active and make sure everyone is involved. I don't think we need some kind of warning requirement before hammering, because everyone needs to be active and you shouldn't be waiting until you might or might not get hammered to speak up and make a defense or actually post. Everyone should be on notice from D1 that we're instant majority, just like you signed up for, and you need to actually participate.
The bolded part is a good setup for scum to hammer a townie without warning.
Are you scum, austin?
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Uhh Hello, just realized it started, watching Mvp destroy MKP.
On votes, I agree that we should use FoS early because a random scum piling on X might just doom X to death, especially considering if a scum just sheeps on a case.
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On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote:
Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I am at school. (Not anymore though).
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On September 26 2012 11:29 strongandbig wrote:
it's not a discussion starter. it's a gambit. find palmar's post on it. it only works if at least a few townies go along with it though.
anyway austin all that stuff you said was reasonable but not helpful. what is your opinion on that statement.
I know that post from iGrok's game. But it "working" is it generating discussion, you get people talking about the random lynch. It's kind of worn now though, and I don't even think it's a great thing to suggest when we're instant majority (voting system puts a lot of responsibility on some votes, random lynching removes all responsibility).
I'd prefer that random lynching be put aside. If we want to talk setup, we could do something more productive, like see if we've got a time EVERYONE can be active. I'm usually on and semi-active from...8:30 EDT until about 5:00 EDT, unless busy at work. Active some evenings from about 5:30 EDT onwards, but can't promise to be around every night.
Can everyone give a rough idea of the time they're usually most active in? If we don't have a time period that works for everyone, we're going to need to nail down how we want to deal with having ... almost effectively two (or more) towns that are active at different points.
On September 26 2012 18:24 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote:
Random lynch still dumb, as always. I don't even like it as a discussion starter.
Small mini, and we're going to have to work to keep things active and make sure everyone is involved. I don't think we need some kind of warning requirement before hammering, because everyone needs to be active and you shouldn't be waiting until you might or might not get hammered to speak up and make a defense or actually post. Everyone should be on notice from D1 that we're instant majority, just like you signed up for, and you need to actually participate.
The bolded part is a good setup for scum to hammer a townie without warning. Are you scum, austin?
Nope.
Moreover it's equally useful for a townie to hammer a scum without warning? A townie to hammer a townie? I don't know everyone's scum play here, but I'd imagine we have a few who blend in and try not to stick out. Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
We've got 9 players. We've got a couple different timezones represented. We can't be waiting for someone to have hammer-1 votes and then ask them to pick things up at that point. The time zone thing is really going to affect our ability to build votes on players and find a time where the majority of thread could even be around to hear someone try and defend themselves.
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On September 26 2012 17:23 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote:
Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past. I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
Actually, I think this could be a nice point to get some discussion. Boxer claims. Need to go read GSL 1 to see how they played out that game if the setup rolled Boxer(s).
Sinensis can you pin down "later" to something more specific and give your thought process on why you'd want later claims?
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Sooo guys, just came home from uni, I'll be rereading now. Sorry was kind of a busy day.
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