Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
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Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. If you're not playing to win I will modkill you. But this won't be a problem, because if you don't want to win you can just not sign up k?
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game :D
You have been warned! bwahahaha
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done in the game thread. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote DoYouHas. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 4.5. You can vote for a no-lynch if you want to. 5. This game follows an instant simple majority lynch. The instant a player has the majority of votes on him, the day ends early, and all posting stops until the night post goes up. Please by polite and try not to post after the day ends (via majority or via deadline) out of courtesy until the night begins. So if there are 8 players you need 5 to lynch, if there are 7 players you need 4 to lynch. 6. Voting by the end of the natural day cycle is mandatory. If the day ends early, it's okay to not have voted. 7. If there is no majority at the end of the cycle, you baddies just no-lynched! 8. Once a majority has been reached, please do not post until the night-post.
Signups:
Eligibility Anyone may sign up for this game, even if they are a noob.
Invites There are no invites this game. Signups are open to all!
Game-specific rules:
Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List, and also type /sitout in the thread here.
Replacements I love replacements, but I hope never to use them. There are 5 replacement slots, so sign up if you're interested. Replacements will be made up until D3. You're encouraged to find your own replacement.
Clues: There are no clues.
PMs PMs are not allowed in this game.
Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/72+ hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the day end will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Also, try not to post after the day ends (via majority or via deadline) out of courtesy until the night begins. Currently the deadline is 21:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after. If the day ends early, the night will last for 24 hours, and the next day will begin early, but still have the same deadline.
Example: If D1 ends at 15:00 GMT (+00:00), N1 is 24 hours, 0from 15:00 GMT (+00:00) to the next day at 15:00 GMT (+00:00). D2 will start at 15:00 GMT (+00:00) and will run for 78 hours, ending just over 3 days later at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Basically, extra time (up to 24 hours) from an early lynch is rolled into the start of the following day.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Special thanks to iGrok and Incognito for going over this setup with me. Also thanks to Probulous since I stole this OP from him and modified it to my nefarious needs. Also also thanks to Hapahauli for co-hosting.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I might give you candy.
I am open to questions any time. If something doesn't make sense, please ask, either in-thread for via PM.
This is a semi-open setup. There are four possible setups, and which setup is chosen will be RNGed. The chosen setup is not revealed, but it should be deducable as the game goes on.
Macro Players
Progamer (Vanilla Townie): You're one of the best players of your era. You've fought your way here, to the Round of 9, in the GSL Open! Your favorite things are Fast Expands and long walks on the beach. You are a VT. Find and destroy the cheesers.
NesTea (Parity Cop): Each night you can use your macro skills to send overlords to scout someone and see who they are. However, the metagame is young so you can't really tell what's going on without a comparison point! Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check doesn't return anything, but is neccessary for your N2 check to work. You can't check yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers.
HopeTorture (Doctor): You're a huge nerd baller and are here to crush any Protoss hope of winning the GSL. Because Terran is OP, you can use your Terran macro skills each night to help a friend. Remember, Planetary Fortresses actually just don't die. Each night, you can save someone from the nightkill. You can't protect the same player twice in a row. You can't save yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers.
BoxeR (Named VT):You are a blue with no powers. Still, you are the legendary BoxeR, so you can of course roleclaim. However, this is GSL Open Season 1, and so you don't know if you're Lim Yo Hwan or Lee Jung Hoon. There might both be in this game, or it might be just you and HopeTorture, or you and NesTea. Find and destroy the cheesers.
Town Win Condition - The town wins when there are no mafia left in the game or nothing can prevent that from happening.
Cheesers
Cheeser (Mafia Goon): You are scum. You have no special powers. You win when scum outnumbers town or nothing can prevent that.
BitByBitPrime.WE (Mafia RB): You are scum. Each night, you can marine/scv all-in a player to RB him. You can RB and send in the factional KP in the same night if you are the last scum. The target, even if he is a VT, is notified of being roleblocked. You win when scum outnumbers town or nothing can prevent that.
Mafia Win condition - The mafia wins when there are no remaining townies or nothing can prevent that from happening.
NesTea is like a slightly nerfed version of a regular cop. If your scumhunting is good, he's just as strong as a normal cop. Also if one of your targets flip that gives you a the strength of a regular cop, but of course you have less info.
Here's an example of NesTea in action: D1 Town lynches Coag, a townie. N1 NesTea checks Incognito, and gets no result yet. DoYouHas, the Doctor, dies. D2 Town lynches Incognito, and he flips scum. N2 NesTea checks Qatol, and gets "different"-- this means that Qatol is a townie. Marvellosity, a townie, dies. D3 Town wants to lynch Qatol, but NesTea roleclaims, saving him. Town lynches Velinath, the final scum player!
So you can see in some circumstances he's basically as good as a regular DT. Sometimes, though, he's worse. D1 town lynches Coag, a townie. N1 NesTea checks Incognito, and gets no result yet. DoYouHas, the Doctor, dies. D2 Town lynches Zona, who flips town. N2 NesTea checks Qatol, and gets "different". Marvellosity, a townie, dies. D3 Town wants to lynch Qatol, and it's LYLO. NesTea knows that Qatol and Incog are different alignments, so one of them must be scum. He has to rely on his own skills to put this info to good use.
Not in other 9-player games that may include a roleblocker. Typical 9-player setup is something like: 1 cop, 1 doctor, 5 townies, 1 goon, 1 mafia RB
with some small variance. This aint no 13-player mini or 25-player normal mafia with all kinds of crazy roles flying around. GSL keeps it clean, like my back after a nice hot steamy soapy shower after a long day
The game is starting in 14.5 hours at Tuesday, Sep 25 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00). notification PMs are being sent out now-- role PMs will be sent out as the game starts.
If anyone wants to sign up as a replacement, please let me know (though hopefully you won't be needed).
If anyone wants to observe, shoot me or Hapahauli a PM and we'll send you the QT.
It's 11pm here, which is generally nice. However, I might not be around at game start tonight (bad few last nights with kids crying and stuff, need sleep urgently), so I probably won't get active until around 9 hours into the game.
On September 26 2012 00:57 phagga wrote: It's 11pm here, which is generally nice. However, I might not be around at game start tonight (bad few last nights with kids crying and stuff, need sleep urgently), so I probably won't get active until around 9 hours into the game.
obviously scum! Already piling up excuses for lack of activity!!!!! naah just kidding!
On September 26 2012 00:57 phagga wrote: It's 11pm here, which is generally nice. However, I might not be around at game start tonight (bad few last nights with kids crying and stuff, need sleep urgently), so I probably won't get active until around 9 hours into the game.
obviously scum! Already piling up excuses for lack of activity!!!!! naah just kidding!
I'll miss the first few hours of today, but the deadlines are relatively flexible given the instant majority system. Days will end whenever we hit majority, nights will end at the same time as the previous day's majority, and the only point at which the normal deadline has any effect on the game will be if we no-lynched?
Right? I guess we can run all the way up to the deadline before lynching, but if that's a bad time for folks then we can sort of shift around the time we're trying to get majority votes in.
BoxeR has no powers, as thrawn2112 said. If you're BoxeR it must be setup B, C, or D. There will always be 2 blue roles, 5 VTs, and 2 scum.
The deadline should be SOMEWHAT irrelevant, hopefully. Each day is 72 hours long, and the day ends when a majority is reached. The deadline should only matter to cause a no-lynch if you guys go too long in a day without lynching someone. Hopefully Instant Majority Lynch will be more accommodating for most people's schedules.
Make sure to check the activity requirements and voting rules since this game is not an Extended Majority Lynch game.
Months and seasons have passed since the last cheesing incident. Though the cheeser was never found, things eventually settled down. gomtv is still in business, at least for now, though the advent of cheese has meant that League of Legends is gradually taking over the esports scene. It's scary and there's not much that Sc2 fans can do to stop it. Some progamers and sponsors have already fled Sc2 to join LoL, and who could blame them? Love for the game, though keeps things going.
Mr. Chae is sweating. After that last budget meeting, it's clear: unless viewer numbers go up, way up, this is the last GSL. It has to be good, free of cheese, and well-liked, or Sc2 esports is dead and with it his dreams. As he jogs down the GOM Studio hallway, he slips on an oily slick on the ground, and bangs his head against the wall, then the floor, passing out.
Tasteless: Is he going to be okay? That fall looked pretty bad... I don't know what to do without him. We needed him to be here for this, and now I don't know what to do. It takes a moment for the other english-language caster to arrive, his arms pumping as he wheels his chair up to the scene. Tasteless: I've never seen anything like it, and I'm worried. Very worried. Artosis: I have.
Mr. Chae has slipped and fell on a slick of greasy cheese oil! Foolishness as Jinro the semifinalist has been cheesed! Qatol as IdrA the Foreigner Hope has been out-expanded! League of Legends looms ominously!
Welcome to Day 1! This Day ends in ~72 hours at Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
So lets have a boring policy discussion to get us dicsussing something until someone does something scummy!
This is the first game I've played with instant majority lynch. It seems like it can cut off day time and bring nights faster, which presumably would help scum. What are people's opinions on establishing a second nonbinding vote system and agreeing not to vote for real until like 24 hours or more into a day?
Remember folks, this game has a 72-hour day cycle and follows instant-majority lynch. Specifics: 1) The second a player secures the clear majority of votes, he/she is lynched. 2) No posts may be made between the "hammer" vote and the night-post. There is a "twilight" period of no-posting until a host/co-host makes the Night Post. 3) If town does not lynch a player by the 72-hour deadline, a no-lynch occurs.
Lastly, I will be providing votecounts as much as possible to keep things clean. Please note that if the "hammer" vote drops when I'm asleep, be prepared to not post for a couple of hours (I'm on EST time for the record).
are you guys up for agreeing that we should use fos instead of votes early on or should we just vote. I could see that by using votes we could put the player under more pressure however.
I'm having a hard time seeing why either option would for sure be better than the other so I'd say just stick with what's normal. If you want to know who somebody is thinking about voting for you can just ask or read their posts
On September 26 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote: So lets have a boring policy discussion to get us dicsussing something until someone does something scummy!
This is the first game I've played with instant majority lynch. It seems like it can cut off day time and bring nights faster, which presumably would help scum. What are people's opinions on establishing a second nonbinding vote system and agreeing not to vote for real until like 24 hours or more into a day?
Also lets random lynch day 1!
On one hand you would like to be careful with the voting because of the instant majority, on the other you would like a random lynch. So why would you like a random lynch d1?
On September 26 2012 07:09 thrawn2112 wrote: ok so if you are going to be the last vote then you must say so in advance?
no, you shouldn't vote as last if the guy had no chance to defend or claim. if you do anyway and he flips town, you will be lynched.
that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense
On September 26 2012 07:09 thrawn2112 wrote: ok so if you are going to be the last vote then you must say so in advance?
no, you shouldn't vote as last if the guy had no chance to defend or claim. if you do anyway and he flips town, you will be lynched.
that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense
sorry, I didn't get what you meant because if someone is one vote from lynching then he ought to know
On September 26 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote: So lets have a boring policy discussion to get us dicsussing something until someone does something scummy!
This is the first game I've played with instant majority lynch. It seems like it can cut off day time and bring nights faster, which presumably would help scum. What are people's opinions on establishing a second nonbinding vote system and agreeing not to vote for real until like 24 hours or more into a day?
Also lets random lynch day 1!
On one hand you would like to be careful with the voting because of the instant majority, on the other you would like a random lynch. So why would you like a random lynch d1?
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
As someone who has suggested random lynches in the past i will be against it this game because it is stupid.
Why did you suggest it in the past and why is it stupid now
i cant talk about why i did in rockband because its an ongoing game but from my exp when palmar suggested it in my previous game it seems to be somewhat good generator of discussion but it seems to catch more stupid townies then it does scum.
On September 26 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote: So lets have a boring policy discussion to get us dicsussing something until someone does something scummy!
This is the first game I've played with instant majority lynch. It seems like it can cut off day time and bring nights faster, which presumably would help scum. What are people's opinions on establishing a second nonbinding vote system and agreeing not to vote for real until like 24 hours or more into a day?
Also lets random lynch day 1!
If you are the last person to vote and there is still time on the clock, let the thread know who you are voting for in advance so a discussion can still be made. Excellent policy. I agree 100% and would like to see this every time.
I will be against rng this game because of the inevidable dilemma of: "I am fine with a random lynch as long as I'm the one who picks because I trust no one." The only way we'd have someone we can trust is if Boxer's in the game and he claimed; I don't think Boxer should claim day 1. Also the games I've played on TL there's usually no problem finding a target day 1. No reason to waste a day killing a random if there's a legitimate target.
Last time I suggested a rng it was my first game of mafia and I got crucified for it. I've never had an rng work. It's kind of a curious suggestion. Why did you suggest random vote?
I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
Random lynch still dumb, as always. I don't even like it as a discussion starter.
Small mini, and we're going to have to work to keep things active and make sure everyone is involved. I don't think we need some kind of warning requirement before hammering, because everyone needs to be active and you shouldn't be waiting until you might or might not get hammered to speak up and make a defense or actually post. Everyone should be on notice from D1 that we're instant majority, just like you signed up for, and you need to actually participate.
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
as marv told me when i complained about in the qt better to have to much than to little.
Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote: I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
I asked why YOU wanted to random lynch not why Palmar sometimes random lynches. Palmar isn't even in this game. Why are you dodging? I'm not going to go searching for a random Palmar post about mafia and I'm not going to let you drop Palmar's name like that's an excuse to do something that is widely reguarded as a bad move.
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
Don't be shy. If you're townie, there is nothing to fear. Just try not to clutter up the thread.
We are off to a really slow start, something that can generate usefull discussion is always welcome.
On September 26 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote: Random lynch still dumb, as always. I don't even like it as a discussion starter.
Small mini, and we're going to have to work to keep things active and make sure everyone is involved. I don't think we need some kind of warning requirement before hammering, because everyone needs to be active and you shouldn't be waiting until you might or might not get hammered to speak up and make a defense or actually post. Everyone should be on notice from D1 that we're instant majority, just like you signed up for, and you need to actually participate.
The bolded part is a good setup for scum to hammer a townie without warning.
Uhh Hello, just realized it started, watching Mvp destroy MKP.
On votes, I agree that we should use FoS early because a random scum piling on X might just doom X to death, especially considering if a scum just sheeps on a case.
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
On September 26 2012 11:29 strongandbig wrote: it's not a discussion starter. it's a gambit. find palmar's post on it. it only works if at least a few townies go along with it though.
anyway austin all that stuff you said was reasonable but not helpful. what is your opinion on that statement.
I know that post from iGrok's game. But it "working" is it generating discussion, you get people talking about the random lynch. It's kind of worn now though, and I don't even think it's a great thing to suggest when we're instant majority (voting system puts a lot of responsibility on some votes, random lynching removes all responsibility).
I'd prefer that random lynching be put aside. If we want to talk setup, we could do something more productive, like see if we've got a time EVERYONE can be active. I'm usually on and semi-active from...8:30 EDT until about 5:00 EDT, unless busy at work. Active some evenings from about 5:30 EDT onwards, but can't promise to be around every night.
Can everyone give a rough idea of the time they're usually most active in? If we don't have a time period that works for everyone, we're going to need to nail down how we want to deal with having ... almost effectively two (or more) towns that are active at different points.
On September 26 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote: Random lynch still dumb, as always. I don't even like it as a discussion starter.
Small mini, and we're going to have to work to keep things active and make sure everyone is involved. I don't think we need some kind of warning requirement before hammering, because everyone needs to be active and you shouldn't be waiting until you might or might not get hammered to speak up and make a defense or actually post. Everyone should be on notice from D1 that we're instant majority, just like you signed up for, and you need to actually participate.
The bolded part is a good setup for scum to hammer a townie without warning.
Are you scum, austin?
Nope.
Moreover it's equally useful for a townie to hammer a scum without warning? A townie to hammer a townie? I don't know everyone's scum play here, but I'd imagine we have a few who blend in and try not to stick out. Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
We've got 9 players. We've got a couple different timezones represented. We can't be waiting for someone to have hammer-1 votes and then ask them to pick things up at that point. The time zone thing is really going to affect our ability to build votes on players and find a time where the majority of thread could even be around to hear someone try and defend themselves.
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
Actually, I think this could be a nice point to get some discussion. Boxer claims. Need to go read GSL 1 to see how they played out that game if the setup rolled Boxer(s).
Sinensis can you pin down "later" to something more specific and give your thought process on why you'd want later claims?
I don't see how discussing time zones or activity times is gonna bring us anywhere. just check the timezone of everyone and note it down, I'm even gonna help with you that (because I already made it for myself):
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
Actually, I think this could be a nice point to get some discussion. Boxer claims. Need to go read GSL 1 to see how they played out that game if the setup rolled Boxer(s).
Sinensis can you pin down "later" to something more specific and give your thought process on why you'd want later claims?
I agree with Sinensis that Boxers should not claim early. Boxers claiming only gives good targets to scum (as Sinensis explained), gives scum more knowledge about the setup and gives town the amount of blues with powers, which is all bad. Town should not rely on blues to scum hunt anyway, so not knowing if there are any blues to help is preferable.
On September 26 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote: Random lynch still dumb, as always. I don't even like it as a discussion starter.
Small mini, and we're going to have to work to keep things active and make sure everyone is involved. I don't think we need some kind of warning requirement before hammering, because everyone needs to be active and you shouldn't be waiting until you might or might not get hammered to speak up and make a defense or actually post. Everyone should be on notice from D1 that we're instant majority, just like you signed up for, and you need to actually participate.
The bolded part is a good setup for scum to hammer a townie without warning.
Are you scum, austin?
Nope.
Moreover it's equally useful for a townie to hammer a scum without warning? A townie to hammer a townie? I don't know everyone's scum play here, but I'd imagine we have a few who blend in and try not to stick out. Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
Are you actually worried about scum hammering townies without warning? Do you think it likely that townies would hammer someone without warning?
Some thoughts in no particular order first: -random lynch is stupid. no need to discuss it imo -it should be clear that if there is only one vote left to hammering someone, you should first off really think through the situation and then give appropiate reasons for the hammer. So please refrain from just sheeping in this instant majority lynch setup. -I do not like the idea of boxer claiming day 1, and in no way does it confirm him as he could be counterclaimed by scum/boxer/crazy townie or there could be no boxer in the setup anyway. If there is a boxer claim it should be saved until it is of some real use (e.g. lylo stuff)
Now some directed stuff: @SnB: Why did you suggest random lynch? I do not want to hear why Palmar does it in whatever other game he played. I am interested in your arguments.
@austin: There was no Boxer in GSL1, if I recall correctly it was the doc, parity cop setup.
@phagga: I don't like your opening post.
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
you complain about lack of activity in this game, while having been inactive as well. You also jump on another person who has done nothing until then. The post is pretty much devoid of any meaning, besides opposition to random lynches. Nothing that screams scum right now, but still worthy to take a note of.
On September 26 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote: Random lynch still dumb, as always. I don't even like it as a discussion starter.
Small mini, and we're going to have to work to keep things active and make sure everyone is involved. I don't think we need some kind of warning requirement before hammering, because everyone needs to be active and you shouldn't be waiting until you might or might not get hammered to speak up and make a defense or actually post. Everyone should be on notice from D1 that we're instant majority, just like you signed up for, and you need to actually participate.
The bolded part is a good setup for scum to hammer a townie without warning.
Are you scum, austin?
Nope.
Moreover it's equally useful for a townie to hammer a scum without warning? A townie to hammer a townie? I don't know everyone's scum play here, but I'd imagine we have a few who blend in and try not to stick out. Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
Are you actually worried about scum hammering townies without warning? Do you think it likely that townies would hammer someone without warning?
Yes and Yes.
I would not be surprised if a townie cluelessly hammers another townie without warning. Worse stuff has happened in the History of TL Mafia. And if a townie can do it, scum can too, they will just look for a good excuse.
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
you complain about lack of activity in this game, while having been inactive as well. You also jump on another person who has done nothing until then. The post is pretty much devoid of any meaning, besides opposition to random lynches. Nothing that screams scum right now, but still worthy to take a note of.
I wrote pregame I would be inactive the first 9 hours due to sleep, which is pretty much how long I was inactive.
I frequently point out people who are not active, you can find this in any of my older games. It's a habit I have developed to make people aware that someone has been inactive for a longer time. I also like it as a reminder when scumhunting to see if the person has had several periods of long inactivity and what that could mean in the context of the game/thread.
Why is everyone talking about useless shit such as timezones?
If someone hammers another player without warning then what is a legitimate response? What reasonable punishment could you put in place to stop people from doing it? I say it's not too big of a deal. If someone hammers a player then we can speculate as to the legitimacy of their motivations afterwards. However if you're smart then don't fucking do it (hammer a player) unless you've got some badass fucking read that you have absolutely 0 doubts at all about. So in other words, don't fucking do it.
On September 26 2012 22:27 phagga wrote: I don't see how discussing time zones or activity times is gonna bring us anywhere. just check the timezone of everyone and note it down, I'm even gonna help with you that (because I already made it for myself):
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
Actually, I think this could be a nice point to get some discussion. Boxer claims. Need to go read GSL 1 to see how they played out that game if the setup rolled Boxer(s).
Sinensis can you pin down "later" to something more specific and give your thought process on why you'd want later claims?
I agree with Sinensis that Boxers should not claim early. Boxers claiming only gives good targets to scum (as Sinensis explained), gives scum more knowledge about the setup and gives town the amount of blues with powers, which is all bad. Town should not rely on blues to scum hunt anyway, so not knowing if there are any blues to help is preferable.
I'm EU, but on somewhat closer to us sleeping schedule fyi. I think we should give reasonable time for discussion to flow before lynching, we have 72 hours, fast lynching mostly favors scum in the beginning imo.
s&b,
On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote: I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
Why would scum freak out with random lynch? Sorry if I interpret random lynch in a different way, but that would give them a free pass to vote without any reasoning.
austin: Why would a Boxer claim be any good for town atm?
On September 26 2012 22:27 phagga wrote: I don't see how discussing time zones or activity times is gonna bring us anywhere. just check the timezone of everyone and note it down, I'm even gonna help with you that (because I already made it for myself):
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
Actually, I think this could be a nice point to get some discussion. Boxer claims. Need to go read GSL 1 to see how they played out that game if the setup rolled Boxer(s).
Sinensis can you pin down "later" to something more specific and give your thought process on why you'd want later claims?
I agree with Sinensis that Boxers should not claim early. Boxers claiming only gives good targets to scum (as Sinensis explained), gives scum more knowledge about the setup and gives town the amount of blues with powers, which is all bad. Town should not rely on blues to scum hunt anyway, so not knowing if there are any blues to help is preferable.
I'm EU, but on somewhat closer to us sleeping schedule fyi. I think we should give reasonable time for discussion to flow before lynching, we have 72 hours, fast lynching mostly favors scum in the beginning imo.
On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote: I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
Why would scum freak out with random lynch? Sorry if I interpret random lynch in a different way, but that would give them a free pass to vote without any reasoning.
austin: Why would a Boxer claim be any good for town atm?
I don't think it would atm. I didn't advocate a D1 claim. It's not an IC role since there's no mod-confirmation, but I hope that if we've got a boxer it's not something that gets claimed only in case of mislynch. Depending on how our lynches go, there's some value to just claiming it D2 or D3 and giving us a little insight into the setup, a possible confirmed townie, etc.
Before anyone says Boxer claims give scum insight into the setup, they already have way more than we do. They know whether or not they have an RB, so for scum, this setup is a random role between only TWO options (either the two RB options or the two non-RB options). Town has no knowledge like that at this point.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
you were trying to shut down discussion by talking about it?
To me it looked more like one of those posts that people do in order to look like their contributing. So what do you say to that?
look now were actually talking about something!!! yay
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
you were trying to shut down discussion by talking about it?
To me it looked more like one of those posts that people do in order to look like their contributing. So what do you say to that?
look now were actually talking about something!!! yay
I specifically wrote:
On September 26 2012 22:27 phagga wrote: I don't see how discussing time zones or activity times is gonna bring us anywhere. just check the timezone of everyone and note it down, I'm even gonna help with you that (because I already made it for myself):
Further discussing this topic only gives scum the possibility to appear active without contributing.
(Emphasis is mine). So yes, I was trying to shut that discussion down by giving him some raw information and making it clear that further discussing this topic will not be productive. And noone was talking about this topic afterwards, so I guess I made myself clear enough.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
you were trying to shut down discussion by talking about it?
To me it looked more like one of those posts that people do in order to look like their contributing. So what do you say to that?
look now were actually talking about something!!! yay
On September 26 2012 22:27 phagga wrote: I don't see how discussing time zones or activity times is gonna bring us anywhere. just check the timezone of everyone and note it down, I'm even gonna help with you that (because I already made it for myself):
Further discussing this topic only gives scum the possibility to appear active without contributing.
(Emphasis is mine). So yes, I was trying to shut that discussion down by giving him some raw information and making it clear that further discussing this topic will not be productive. And noone was talking about this topic afterwards, so I guess I made myself clear enough.
it just struck me as weird.
also
If bh would be so kind to add the filter links to the player list it would be greatly appreciated
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote: I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
I asked why YOU wanted to random lynch not why Palmar sometimes random lynches. Palmar isn't even in this game. Why are you dodging? I'm not going to go searching for a random Palmar post about mafia and I'm not going to let you drop Palmar's name like that's an excuse to do something that is widely reguarded as a bad move.
.... Ugh
So the thing about random lynching is you never want to actually random lynch, it doesn't give you enough info for layer. But what you can do is, if you can get a little momentum going for a random lynch, it freaks scum the fuck out if they don't know what's going on. They know that unless they fuck up, there is little chance for them to get lynched normally on day 1. The information advantage and the ability for their teammates to push other bandwagons guarantee that. So when they think a random lynch might actually happen, they start to behave weirdly and you can pick that out.
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote: I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
I asked why YOU wanted to random lynch not why Palmar sometimes random lynches. Palmar isn't even in this game. Why are you dodging? I'm not going to go searching for a random Palmar post about mafia and I'm not going to let you drop Palmar's name like that's an excuse to do something that is widely reguarded as a bad move.
.... Ugh
So the thing about random lynching is you never want to actually random lynch, it doesn't give you enough info for layer. But what you can do is, if you can get a little momentum going for a random lynch, it freaks scum the fuck out if they don't know what's going on. They know that unless they fuck up, there is little chance for them to get lynched normally on day 1. The information advantage and the ability for their teammates to push other bandwagons guarantee that. So when they think a random lynch might actually happen, they start to behave weirdly and you can pick that out.
Makes sense. I'll try to remember that for future games.
On Septem[spoiler]ber 26 2012 22:11 austinmcc wrote:
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
Actually, I think this could be a nice point to get some discussion. Boxer claims. Need to go read GSL 1 to see how they played out that game if the setup rolled Boxer(s).
Sinensis can you pin down "later" to something more specific and give your thought process on why you'd want later claims?
I can't pin down later to a specific moment but I think if/when Boxer claims it should accomplish something significant. Something more significant than just having a confirmed townie. Once everyone knows who Boxer is it's very unlikely we'll be able to save him; there is only one possible setup with both Boxer AND medic. An example of a good time for Boxer to claim would be if several people were voting him and it is close to majority lynch; he can claim to help prove his innocence.
Okay given the two pages I have to work with, so far my FoS is at austinmcc. I'll break down why:
On September 26 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote:
Random lynch still dumb, as always. I don't even like it as a discussion starter.
Moreover it's equally useful for a townie to hammer a scum without warning? A townie to hammer a townie? I don't know everyone's scum play here, but I'd imagine we have a few who blend in and try not to stick out. Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
We've got 9 players. We've got a couple different timezones represented. We can't be waiting for someone to have hammer-1 votes and then ask them to pick things up at that point. The time zone thing is really going to affect our ability to build votes on players and find a time where the majority of thread could even be around to hear someone try and defend themselves.
"Random lynch still dumb." While I disagree with a random lynch, it is how it's presented that I have a problem with. He just says it's "dumb." Not why it's dumb or better why -he- thinks it's dumb. Just dumb. This is not indicative of alignment and I think it's dodgy.
He goes on to say that hammering someone makes you stick out, and since it makes you stick out scum wouldn't do it. This is "too scummy to be scum" reasoning and is wrong. Under no circumstances should someone town aligned be advocating hammering, and he says he has -no problem with it-. All it does is cut discussion short every time. This is the biggest red flag to me.
I don't think it would atm. I didn't advocate a D1 claim. It's not an IC role since there's no mod-confirmation, but I hope that if we've got a boxer it's not something that gets claimed only in case of mislynch. ++++Depending on how our lynches go, there's some value to just claiming it D2 or D3 and giving us a little insight into the setup, a possible confirmed townie, etc.++++
Before anyone says Boxer claims give scum insight into the setup, they already have way more than we do. They know whether or not they have an RB, so for scum, this setup is a random role between only TWO options (either the two RB options or the two non-RB options). Town has no knowledge like that at this point.
This is the other post I got a red flag from and that's because I personally don't believe it's worth it for Boxer to claim D2 or D3 for no reason. Hypothetical situations if Boxer claims: The best that could happen is that we luckily have a medic, Boxer is safe, and there is no role blocker leaving us with a confirmed townie; there is a 33% chance of this outcome. The other possibility is that there isn't a medic and Boxer(s) are vulnerable; there is a 66% chance of this outcome.
All things considered I think if Boxer is among us he needs to stay anonymous until he can save himself/someone else by claiming.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
This is the other post I got a red flag from and that's because I personally don't believe it's worth it for Boxer to claim D2 or D3 for no reason. Hypothetical situations if Boxer claims: The best that could happen is that we luckily have a medic, Boxer is safe, and there is no role blocker leaving us with a confirmed townie; there is a 33% chance of this outcome. The other possibility is that there isn't a medic and Boxer(s) are vulnerable; there is a 66% chance of this outcome.
All things considered I think if Boxer is among us he needs to stay anonymous until he can save himself/someone else by claiming.
I know I mentioned earlier this game having value in "confirmed townie," but the more I think about it, the less I like that and the less value I see in boxer claims at...any time?
Is a boxer claim really going to save someone? It's the easiest fakeclaim in the world, "Guys I'm blue but can't do anything so there's no actions you can confirm." "Guys I know that other guy also claimed boxer, maybe we're in the 2-boxer setup." I guess we'll see how this plays out, but now the whole claiming boxer thing feels weaker at any point in time. It's essentially claiming "Guys I'm town" except with the potential to give town some info about the setup?
You suggest that a claim would be best in the setup with a medic who can keep Boxer "safe." But do we care if a/the boxer(s) die, moreso than we care about a VT dying?
hey okay so i just reread the whole thread it is assfuckingly short lets get some more shit out there,
okay terrible mixing of metaphors there but whatever
anyway here's what I think - at first I thought sinensis was scum because he's not being a huge dick but then i realized i was confusing him with sinani. there goes that whole post.
so now i think ottoxlol is maybe scum because he posts a bunch of short posts but doesn't really say much of substance.
austinmcc always posts like a billion things.
shiaopi i am calling you out. last game we played together you derped your way through because you were blue, then you solved the game but it was too late. If you're town I call on you to play this whole game for reals even if you are blue, you've shown you can do good analysis (even if your case wasn't very well presented, you did solve the game) so people are going to want you to keep doing it now. what do you think about ottoxlol.
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
This post struck me as weird:
On September 27 2012 05:27 strongandbig wrote:shiaopi i am calling you out. last game we played together you derped your way through because you were blue, then you solved the game but it was too late. If you're town I call on you to play this whole game for reals even if you are blue, you've shown you can do good analysis (even if your case wasn't very well presented, you did solve the game) so people are going to want you to keep doing it now. what do you think about ottoxlol.
When I read that it seemed like it could be a cleverly written request for better play and it's hiding that strongandbig's actually fishing to try and make a blue read. Like if strongandbig is mafia, and he knows shiaopi is town (which is what I'm getting from the way strongandbig talks to shiaopi) and he's got a meta blue-shiaopi read, then he's baiting shiaopi who he considers might be blue into posting more in order to get his blue read. And his random lynch post seemed pointless... enough people have seen random lynch suggestions in games to know why they're made so if he's town I don't see why he'd think it'd work. And as a discussion starter, same thing. It's been seen enough that when it's made people will instead just talk about the meta of random lynch suggestions.
On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote: I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
I asked why YOU wanted to random lynch not why Palmar sometimes random lynches. Palmar isn't even in this game. Why are you dodging? I'm not going to go searching for a random Palmar post about mafia and I'm not going to let you drop Palmar's name like that's an excuse to do something that is widely reguarded as a bad move.
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
I've been thinking of Boxer as a mayor type role. Claiming Day 1 is bad cause then Boxer probably dies night 1 and ESPORTS along with it. It's better to save it for later in the game when we're in a pinch.
On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote: I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
I asked why YOU wanted to random lynch not why Palmar sometimes random lynches. Palmar isn't even in this game. Why are you dodging? I'm not going to go searching for a random Palmar post about mafia and I'm not going to let you drop Palmar's name like that's an excuse to do something that is widely reguarded as a bad move.
.... Ugh
So the thing about random lynching is you never want to actually random lynch, it doesn't give you enough info for layer. But what you can do is, if you can get a little momentum going for a random lynch, it freaks scum the fuck out if they don't know what's going on. They know that unless they fuck up, there is little chance for them to get lynched normally on day 1. The information advantage and the ability for their teammates to push other bandwagons guarantee that. So when they think a random lynch might actually happen, they start to behave weirdly and you can pick that out.
Makes sense. I'll try to remember that for future games.
when SnB basically did the same explanation twice in a row? I did not like the idea and Snb's explanation particularly either, but you are spinning 180 degrees like mad. You say it is something regarded as bad move, something you got crucified for and then it is something sane which you will remember for future games?
Also why did you call out austin for saying the random lynch idea is "stupid"? Iamperfection said it too, I did as well. So why do you FoS austin? Only for the Boxer thing? If so that would come down to personal belief as I think there would also be a time when a Boxer claim might be useful for town.
Anyway your on my watchlist now, can't yet decide between bad townie or scum. Off to uni now!
On September 27 2012 05:27 strongandbig wrote:shiaopi i am calling you out. last game we played together you derped your way through because you were blue, then you solved the game but it was too late. If you're town I call on you to play this whole game for reals even if you are blue, you've shown you can do good analysis (even if your case wasn't very well presented, you did solve the game) so people are going to want you to keep doing it now. what do you think about ottoxlol.
When I read that it seemed like it could be a cleverly written request for better play and it's hiding that strongandbig's actually fishing to try and make a blue read. Like if strongandbig is mafia, and he knows shiaopi is town (which is what I'm getting from the way strongandbig talks to shiaopi) and he's got a meta blue-shiaopi read, then he's baiting shiaopi who he considers might be blue into posting more in order to get his blue read. And his random lynch post seemed pointless... enough people have seen random lynch suggestions in games to know why they're made so if he's town I don't see why he'd think it'd work. And as a discussion starter, same thing. It's been seen enough that when it's made people will instead just talk about the meta of random lynch suggestions.
strongandbig what is your read on shiaopi?
To your overall point i don't think its weird to call out a poster if you know he can contribute as a town player. Ive done something somewhat similar in a previous game in the opposite way with regards to a player named yourharry. Which leads me to my next point
Mr. Bluelightz whats your overall plan for this game do you plan on lurking hardcore like usual or do plan on contributing and being useful?
On September 27 2012 10:46 Bluelightz wrote: iamP, my overall plan for this game is to post when I can, I'm at school right now but I can't post more besides this till later.
@ ShaoPi: SnB explained himself perfectly clearly and without being a dick. That goes a long way. All I wanted was for him to explain why he wanted to rng, and he did. And honestly it makes sense and is something I may try in future games myself. It has produced discussion.
This is what I said about austinmcc reguarding "Random lynch still dumb.":
"While I disagree with a random lynch, it is how it's presented that I have a problem with. He just says it's "dumb." Not why it's dumb or better why -he- thinks it's dumb. Just dumb. This is not indicative of alignment and I think it's dodgy."
I don't know if I can explain myself any more clearly than that. The reason I didn't pressure you about it is because you did exactly what I did, you asked SnB to explain himself and he did. That made you look like you had a town agenda. Iamperfection also went on to explain why rng is stupid here:
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
As someone who has suggested random lynches in the past i will be against it this game because it is stupid.
Why did you suggest it in the past and why is it stupid now
i cant talk about why i did in rockband because its an ongoing game but from my exp when palmar suggested it in my previous game it seems to be somewhat good generator of discussion but it seems to catch more stupid townies then it does scum.
austinmcc just sort of said rng was "dumb" and gave no indication of a town agenda or a desire to communicate. He didn't ask SnB to explain why he suggested an idea he thought was dumb. He just said it was dumb. Period.
Ideal: "I think your idea is dumb because <reason>, please explain why you want to do your idea." Good: "I think your idea is dumb because <reason>" Good: "I think your idea is dumb. Please explain why you want to do your idea." Bad: "I think your idea is dumb."
This is the other post I got a red flag from and that's because I personally don't believe it's worth it for Boxer to claim D2 or D3 for no reason. Hypothetical situations if Boxer claims: The best that could happen is that we luckily have a medic, Boxer is safe, and there is no role blocker leaving us with a confirmed townie; there is a 33% chance of this outcome. The other possibility is that there isn't a medic and Boxer(s) are vulnerable; there is a 66% chance of this outcome.
All things considered I think if Boxer is among us he needs to stay anonymous until he can save himself/someone else by claiming.
I know I mentioned earlier this game having value in "confirmed townie," but the more I think about it, the less I like that and the less value I see in boxer claims at...any time?
Is a boxer claim really going to save someone? It's the easiest fakeclaim in the world, "Guys I'm blue but can't do anything so there's no actions you can confirm." "Guys I know that other guy also claimed boxer, maybe we're in the 2-boxer setup." I guess we'll see how this plays out, but now the whole claiming boxer thing feels weaker at any point in time. It's essentially claiming "Guys I'm town" except with the potential to give town some info about the setup?
You suggest that a claim would be best in the setup with a medic who can keep Boxer "safe." But do we care if a/the boxer(s) die, moreso than we care about a VT dying?
It's not the -easiest- fake claim in the world. More hypothetical situations:
If 1 Boxer claims and no other Boxers claim then there is either a doctor OR a parity checker. The parity checker can check Boxer and since he is a unique class, it should come back as different from everyone. There is a probability of failure since the parity checker is not a full investigator but it's better than nothing. The doctor can protect Boxer and we will have a confirmed townie to work with.
If two Boxers claim and one is fake, then the doctor/parity checker will know since there are no doctors/parity checkers in the 2 Boxer setup.
If zero Boxers claim, then none of this applies, so yeah.
If VTs fake claim, then we can not use this information for our benefit.
@Austinmcc: Also, you wrote:
Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this.
The parity checker can check Boxer and since he is a unique class, it should come back as different from everyone. There is a probability of failure since the parity checker is not a full investigator but it's better than nothing.
I didn't understand the parity checker role so disregard that.
The point I'm trying to make is that as long as town doesn't fake claim Boxer, then if mafia does fake claim Boxer we should be able to figure it out. The other blue roles will know, this is how:
3 Boxers claim -> 1 or 2 Boxers are mafia; if there is a non-boxer blue, 1 boxer is fake; if there are no non-boxer blues, 2 Boxers are fake 2 Boxers claim, no other blue roles -> no fakes 2 Boxers claim, 1 non-boxer blue role -> exactly one boxer is fake 1 Boxers claim, 2 non-boxer blue roles -> Boxer is fake 1 Boxers claim, 1 non-boxer blue role -> no fakes
Sorry for spamming but no one wants to talk so... this is what you get.
on phone: @Sinensis: there is a crucial mistake in your thoughts regarding the boxer claims. you are assuming that the blue roles know who each other are, but they do not, therefore a boxer claim is the "easiest" fakeclaim in the world. There is no way to out a fake boxer without having other blues counterclaiming (or claiming) immediately. Let's go through your scenarios:
3 boxer claim: I doubt that in a 9 player setup both scum would be fakeclaiming so it would probably at most be 1 scum between them. How do you plan to confirm who? We do not know if we got 1, 2 or 0 boxers, if there is a boxer he also does not know if there is another one. 2 boxer claim: The same problem, boxers don't know if there is another, other blues would know, but they would have to out themselves. How do you want to confirm the fact that there is one or more boxer without blowing the cover of our blues or lynching amongst the claimers?
I would say we discuss further the topic of boxer if a claim shows up, there is not much use to speculate around it right now.
To clear up any confusion: this game uses Instant Majority Lynch. All players must have voted by the end of the day. If a majority is reached before the deadline, that player is lynched and the day ends instantly. Please refrain from posting until the Night Post goes up. If the deadline is reached without a majority, the result is a no-lynch.
My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time.
Suspicions
I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc.
austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role.
Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why?
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town.
As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum.
Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me.
do you has scum reads? The only thing you pointed out is that one of SnB's post's are trying to fish blues, as well as in the same post you say random lynch is useless while you yourself propoed a random lynch earlier.
On September 27 2012 05:27 strongandbig wrote:shiaopi i am calling you out. last game we played together you derped your way through because you were blue, then you solved the game but it was too late. If you're town I call on you to play this whole game for reals even if you are blue, you've shown you can do good analysis (even if your case wasn't very well presented, you did solve the game) so people are going to want you to keep doing it now. what do you think about ottoxlol.
When I read that it seemed like it could be a cleverly written request for better play and it's hiding that strongandbig's actually fishing to try and make a blue read. Like if strongandbig is mafia, and he knows shiaopi is town (which is what I'm getting from the way strongandbig talks to shiaopi) and he's got a meta blue-shiaopi read, then he's baiting shiaopi who he considers might be blue into posting more in order to get his blue read. And his random lynch post seemed pointless... enough people have seen random lynch suggestions in games to know why they're made so if he's town I don't see why he'd think it'd work. And as a discussion starter, same thing. It's been seen enough that when it's made people will instead just talk about the meta of random lynch suggestions.
On September 27 2012 10:50 Sinensis wrote: @ ShaoPi: SnB explained himself perfectly clearly and without being a dick. That goes a long way. All I wanted was for him to explain why he wanted to rng, and he did. And honestly it makes sense and is something I may try in future games myself. It has produced discussion.
I have no idea what snb's meta is. Based on the bolded part I'm thinking you see snb's meta as unclear and dickish? So if that is your impression of his meta then why, when he deviates from that meta, would it not set off alarm bells?
On September 27 2012 21:49 Bluelightz wrote: @thrawn,
do you has scum reads? The only thing you pointed out is that one of SnB's post's are trying to fish blues, as well as in the same post you say random lynch is useless while you yourself propoed a random lynch earlier.
I don't see how my earlier post about rnd lynch makes you think I was seriously proposing the idea. And yeah right now I'm most wary of snb.
On September 27 2012 21:49 Bluelightz wrote: @thrawn,
do you has scum reads? The only thing you pointed out is that one of SnB's post's are trying to fish blues, as well as in the same post you say random lynch is useless while you yourself propoed a random lynch earlier.
I don't see how my earlier post about rnd lynch makes you think I was seriously proposing the idea. And yeah right now I'm most wary of snb.
Besides the point you pointed out, anything else on SnB?
That, and I'm confused as to the interactions between snb and shaopi (riiiiight here) and there's this:
On September 27 2012 07:14 thrawn2112 wrote:And his random lynch post seemed pointless... enough people have seen random lynch suggestions in games to know why they're made so if he's town I don't see why he'd think it'd work. And as a discussion starter, same thing. It's been seen enough that when it's made people will instead just talk about the meta of random lynch suggestions.
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town.
As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum.
Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me.
##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol
I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well?
@thrawn: from what I got from the last game I played with SnB he is neither dickish nor too unclear as scum. So I would say that the remark from sinensis was unrelated to meta, especially since he was not referring to it anyway.
What strikes you as confusing in the little talk between SnB and me? I would also be interested in your read on ottoxlol.
On September 27 2012 22:39 ShiaoPi wrote: @thrawn: from what I got from the last game I played with SnB he is neither dickish nor too unclear as scum. So I would say that the remark from sinensis was unrelated to meta, especially since he was not referring to it anyway.
What strikes you as confusing in the little talk between SnB and me? I would also be interested in your read on ottoxlol.
My bad I was confusing you with Sinensis in that post about their interactions. Here was his post:
On September 27 2012 10:50 Sinensis wrote: @ ShaoPi: SnB explained himself perfectly clearly and without being a dick. That goes a long way.
So that post about interactions between you and snb + Show Spoiler +
On September 27 2012 10:50 Sinensis wrote: @ ShaoPi: SnB explained himself perfectly clearly and without being a dick. That goes a long way. All I wanted was for him to explain why he wanted to rng, and he did. And honestly it makes sense and is something I may try in future games myself. It has produced discussion.
I have no idea what snb's meta is. Based on the bolded part I'm thinking you see snb's meta as unclear and dickish? So if that is your impression of his meta then why, when he deviates from that meta, would it not set off alarm bells?
applies to him.
Nothing much about ottoxlol other than his defense to bluelightz was bad and I want to see a better one. Just because something is hypocritical doesn't mean that it's invalid.
On September 27 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote: So are you pegging SnB as likely scum at the moment or just suspicious?
I wouldn't go so far as "likely" but I'd say most suspicious looking dude. And if he's scum then I'd be pretty suspicious of Sinensis. I wanna see his (sinensis) response to what I asked him.
On September 27 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote: So are you pegging SnB as likely scum at the moment or just suspicious?
I wouldn't go so far as "likely" but I'd say most suspicious looking dude. And if he's scum then I'd be pretty suspicious of Sinensis. I wanna see his (sinensis) response to what I asked him.
are you seriously doing association shit already.
how about this we find fucking scum first before we try to start making links between players.
On September 27 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote: So are you pegging SnB as likely scum at the moment or just suspicious?
I wouldn't go so far as "likely" but I'd say most suspicious looking dude. And if he's scum then I'd be pretty suspicious of Sinensis. I wanna see his (sinensis) response to what I asked him.
are you seriously doing association shit already.
how about this we find fucking scum first before we try to start making links between players.
Isn't analyzing interactions between players part of figuring out who is scum?
On September 27 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote: So are you pegging SnB as likely scum at the moment or just suspicious?
I wouldn't go so far as "likely" but I'd say most suspicious looking dude. And if he's scum then I'd be pretty suspicious of Sinensis. I wanna see his (sinensis) response to what I asked him.
are you seriously doing association shit already.
how about this we find fucking scum first before we try to start making links between players.
Isn't analyzing interactions between players part of figuring out who is scum?
Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.
On September 27 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote: So are you pegging SnB as likely scum at the moment or just suspicious?
I wouldn't go so far as "likely" but I'd say most suspicious looking dude. And if he's scum then I'd be pretty suspicious of Sinensis. I wanna see his (sinensis) response to what I asked him.
are you seriously doing association shit already.
how about this we find fucking scum first before we try to start making links between players.
Isn't analyzing interactions between players part of figuring out who is scum?
how do scum players interact with each other?
in the instance I was talking about, a strange/unexplained/contradictory changing of a read from suspicious to not suspicious
On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.
Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.
I'm off to bed...was a long day :S
You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy?
On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.
Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.
I'm off to bed...was a long day :S
You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy?
On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time.
Suspicions
I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc.
austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role.
Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why?
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town.
As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum.
Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me.
##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol
I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well?
Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please.
On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time.
Suspicions
I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc.
austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role.
Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why?
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town.
As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum.
Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me.
##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol
I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well?
Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please.
Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then?
I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity.
I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others?
Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this.
On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time.
Suspicions
I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc.
austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role.
Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why?
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town.
As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum.
Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me.
##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol
I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well?
Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please.
Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then?
I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity.
I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others?
No, I picked at you because I saw your post's and they took my attention. But ok, good defense I guess. ##Unvote: Ottoxlol. BTW, who do you think is scum?
On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote: Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this.
Why would Mafia not do that? According to you, that makes them look townie, which is what they try to achieve.
I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote: Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this.
Why would Mafia not do that? According to you, that makes them look townie, which is what they try to achieve.
If you look at it from a mafia perspective I don't think mafia would be that open in giving information out out to town, as well as, if you say it that way, wouldn't all the things you are doing is trying to achieve mafia's objective?
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote: Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did.
## Vote Thrawn
You want that vote to count? Than you better write his name right. @thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet.
@austinmc, you have only been talking setup so far. Any thoughts on iamps vote on thrawn? Any thoughts on other players? @Ottoxlol, you just sound afraid to get lynched, which should not really be a problem when you're town. This post stands out:
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
When I compare this with your play in LVII where you furiously defended your idea although several people started to calling a vig on you, then you're behaviour this game seems off.
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
Then who will you vote for?
I will wait for him to post, then we will see
Why the fixation on SnB? Why is SnB so pivotal for your reads?
My stance for today: austinmcc, because his post's are about hammering/setup, and only about hammering/setup, he hasn't attempted any scum-hunting at all, which is scummy because discussing about hammer/setup brings us no closer to victory. As well as, in his most recent game - Rockband Mini Mafia - he atleast already had suspicions on someone, not like here, when it's already 48 hours and more into the game.
On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote: Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this.
Why would Mafia not do that? According to you, that makes them look townie, which is what they try to achieve.
If you look at it from a mafia perspective I don't think mafia would be that open in giving information out out to town, as well as, if you say it that way, wouldn't all the things you are doing is trying to achieve mafia's objective?
Of course Mafia tries to achieve their objective, I just find it dangerous to say that mafia would not do something because only townies do something/take that risk. If an action means you can look more townier, than it might be a good idea to risk it as scum, to get some towncred.
On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote: Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this.
Why would Mafia not do that? According to you, that makes them look townie, which is what they try to achieve.
If you look at it from a mafia perspective I don't think mafia would be that open in giving information out out to town, as well as, if you say it that way, wouldn't all the things you are doing is trying to achieve mafia's objective?
Of course Mafia tries to achieve their objective, I just find it dangerous to say that mafia would not do something because only townies do something/take that risk. If an action means you can look more townier, than it might be a good idea to risk it as scum, to get some towncred.
So, EVERYTHING Thrawn did is an action that supposedly makes him townier?
On September 28 2012 00:33 phagga wrote: @austinmc, you have only been talking setup so far. Any thoughts on iamps vote on thrawn? Any thoughts on other players?
iamperfection's vote reads town to me. Not because of the reasoning behind it (drawing connections at this point is not particularly helpful, but doesn't really serve to do anything scummy either), but because it's time to start taking stances and getting votes out. If we're not getting a lot of discussion and action out of nowhere, then starting to drop votes may help push that along, which would be pro-town.
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place.
I still feel the whole random lynch discussion "is dumb." People know the intent behind it now and, as explained in iGrok's mafia, it's really only a tool that you can use without explaining your intentions. The usefulness of the suggestion diminishes if people know that you're most likely suggesting a random lynch for discussion.
That does a couple things for me. It makes me disagree with Ottox here, because answering why you support a random lynch undermines the suggestion's usefulness (if it has any). So I don't care that SnB didn't answer certain questions early. I disagree with SnB's statement that a random lynch suggestion might make scum nervous (it shouldn't be making anybody do anything right now, at least not on TL mafia), but that doesn't tell me about SnB's alignment. This post
On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time.
Suspicions
I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc.
austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role.
Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why?
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town.
As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum.
Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me.
##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol
I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well?
is my least favorite of the thread so far.
How can you call out others on things you do as well?
is a poor response.
Thrawn already noted that
On September 27 2012 22:55 thrawn2112 wrote: Just because something is hypocritical doesn't mean that it's invalid.
But it's even more than that. Bluelightz just drops an FoS on Ottoxlol, and one on me as well. Ottoxlol's only complaint is that other people can be accused for the same reasoning. Which is fine, but absolutely not helpful. Other people doing the same thing gives us nothing. Why is that okay? Why aren't we ALL scummy for doing that same thing? Just because a bunch of people are sucking doesn't mean it isn't justified to call one or two people out on sucking.
Bluelightz then votes Ottox, and we get this post:
On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time.
Suspicions
I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc.
austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role.
Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why?
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town.
As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum.
Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me.
##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol
I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well?
Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please.
Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then?
I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity.
I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others?
A couple things here.
Ottoxlol just throws out a bunch of names. Again, he doesn't think he should be voted because most of us are not being helpful and proactive at this point in time. He lists...6 people similar to himself. He knows that these 7 can't all be mafia. He knows that if 7/9 of town is similar, either he's miraculously pegged the two scum, or some of the people in his list are mafia and some aren't. But he makes no attempt to do anything with this. He's more content to just throw out a big list, say everyone's doing this bad thing, and make absolutely no attempt to do anything more than that, to just slightly discredit the majority of the player base.
He's still interested in why he should be voted over the others. Voting is GOOD. Voting is ACTIVE. If he's so worried about activity and everyone lying low, then voting is pretty much the solution. He's lamenting lack of activity and then getting on Bluelightz case for starting some activity. I don't like the way in which that is contradictory.
I don't love the fear of a single vote. We're not being proactive enough with our votes, and Ottoxlol's response to being voted doesn't give me warm fuzzies.
So, ##Vote: Ottoxlol
If he's so concerned with why he's being voted instead of half of town, then he needs to separate himself from half of town. Instead, he's going to
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
Then who will you vote for?
I will wait for him to post, then we will see
wait for SnB to post some answer. Waiting for an answer is a bad course of action, especially with our start so far. Waiting for an answer from ONE PERSON is a bad course of action. Ottox seems to be saying that if SnB gives a certain answer, he'll get a vote. If he gives another answer then...he won't? And Ottox is just fine to do nothing and wait until that happens. No good.
Sinensis looks...odd to me, because his filter is almost entirely concerned with me. That's not scummy per se, but he and I both need to branch out here and get more active. Can't just be discussing me.
In terms of his actual filter, I find this curious:
On September 27 2012 09:10 ShiaoPi wrote: Sinensis
Also why did you call out austin for saying the random lynch idea is "stupid"? Iamperfection said it too, I did as well. So why do you FoS austin? Only for the Boxer thing? If so that would come down to personal belief as I think there would also be a time when a Boxer claim might be useful for town.
Sinensis's response
On September 27 2012 10:50 Sinensis wrote: This is what I said about austinmcc reguarding "Random lynch still dumb.":
"While I disagree with a random lynch, it is how it's presented that I have a problem with. He just says it's "dumb." Not why it's dumb or better why -he- thinks it's dumb. Just dumb. This is not indicative of alignment and I think it's dodgy."
I don't know if I can explain myself any more clearly than that. The reason I didn't pressure you about it is because you did exactly what I did, you asked SnB to explain himself and he did. That made you look like you had a town agenda.
But here's ShiaoPi's post about RNG lynch.
On September 26 2012 22:52 ShiaoPi wrote: Well that was a quick read.
Some thoughts in no particular order first: -random lynch is stupid. no need to discuss it imo
...
Now some directed stuff: @SnB: Why did you suggest random lynch? I do not want to hear why Palmar does it in whatever other game he played. I am interested in your arguments.
...
The rest of ShiaoPi's post there had nothing to do with his thoughts on RNG lynch. I don't care if Sinensis wants to call me out for saying random lynch is dumb and not explaining why I think so. But ShiaoPi's comment was "random lynch is stupid. no need to discuss it imo" and Sinensis thinks
The reason I didn't pressure you about it is because you did exactly what I did, you asked SnB to explain himself and he did.
If I'm FoSed for calling a random lynch dumb and shutting down discussion, I find it odd that ShiaoPi wouldn't be for doing the same thing. Yes, he asks SnB to give his own reasoning for supporting the lynch, but...there's still an explicit statement that the possibility of a random lynch doesn't need to be discussed and that it's "stupid."
So Sinensis, two things.
Do you have any thoughts on other players at this point? You've been really me-centric in most of your posts. If calling something dumb and shutting down discussion is scummy, what do you make of ShiaoPi's comments there? While he does seek answers from SnB, he also explicitly states that RNG lynch merits no discussion?
On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time.
Suspicions
I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc.
austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role.
Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why?
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town.
As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum.
Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me.
##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol
I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well?
Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please.
Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then?
I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity.
I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others?
Besides Ottoxlol showing fear again of getting lynched, he tries something very untowny: To blend in.
As a townie, you generally have 2 priorities:
- Hunt scum - Establish your own innocence (which makes scum hunting for town easier as they can concentrate more on the not-so-townie players).
However, instead of taking Bluelightz' vote on him as a wake up call to follow either of those two paths, Ottoxlol instead tries to point out that others are the same as him. That's just plain wrong. This does not help town at all and gives Ottoxlol the possibility to hide behind other players, which is a scummy thing to do.
Sorry for spam, but I'm catching up and need to separate these posts so they're a little more coherent.
iamperfection, why should I vote for Thrawn over other players here? Why is he scummy, beyond him spouting off some association junk? Is doing that really more scummy than anything anyone else is doing?
On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.
Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.
I'm off to bed...was a long day :S
You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy?
strongandbig, do you maek thinks on things? There's not much to go on, but I've got you as relatively townie so far. I just misread you under the same circumstances (low post count, general townie feel to posts), so I'd like to see some more thoughts from you. Can you give some more thoughts on Ottoxlol? Am I scummy for not posting a billion things?
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
"just making a note of it"
Wanna say anything further than that?
No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
On September 27 2012 22:39 ShiaoPi wrote: @thrawn: from what I got from the last game I played with SnB he is neither dickish nor too unclear as scum. So I would say that the remark from sinensis was unrelated to meta, especially since he was not referring to it anyway.
What strikes you as confusing in the little talk between SnB and me? I would also be interested in your read on ottoxlol.
My bad I was confusing you with Sinensis in that post about their interactions. Here was his post:
On September 27 2012 10:50 Sinensis wrote: @ ShaoPi: SnB explained himself perfectly clearly and without being a dick. That goes a long way. All I wanted was for him to explain why he wanted to rng, and he did. And honestly it makes sense and is something I may try in future games myself. It has produced discussion.
I have no idea what snb's meta is. Based on the bolded part I'm thinking you see snb's meta as unclear and dickish? So if that is your impression of his meta then why, when he deviates from that meta, would it not set off alarm bells?
applies to him.
Nothing much about ottoxlol other than his defense to bluelightz was bad and I want to see a better one. Just because something is hypocritical doesn't mean that it's invalid.
I wasn't implying SnB's meta is unclear and dickish. I've played many games with him and he's never been a dick to me. I was implying that being clear and undickish (that's a word I promise) is a good way to be in general. It makes communicating easier. That's all I was saying with that. Communicate clearly and undickishly and I'll be happy to give anyone my time. @ShaoPi: I already realized that error. The main point I'm trying to drive home is that if there is a fake Boxer claim, the blues will know about it, and that is PROGRESS for town. If town fake claims Boxer, our blues will not know if there is a fake claim, so if you are town, don't fake claim! @Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response.
Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this.
Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this.
##Vote: Austinmcc
SOMEONE is going to be the hammer vote. In every vote. It's going to happen.
Being the hammer vote with no reasoning given is going to stick out and make you look quite bad. Maybe I have more faith in TL towns, but I'd assume at least SOME reasoning is going to be given with a vote. Giving no reason in a full-size majority extended lynch often raises eyebrows and is frowned upon. Giving no reason for a vote in a mini this small when you hammer someone would raise all eyebrows.
So ... I'm not worried about people hammering with no reasoning. They're going to stick out. They're going to get scrutinized. Yes, it would cut discussion short. But I don't think anyone is realistically just going to pop in and drop a hammer vote with no reasoning. Maybe someone will prove me wrong about that. But until then, I'll have faith in my fellow townies and assume it's not going to happen.
Why should I be worried, then, about hammer votes with no reasoning? No townie should be doing that, period. So it's the exact opposite of "too scummy to be scum." It's "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum." That's why I don't care if someone does it. Because anyone doing it is basically claiming scum, and everyone in both alignments should know that.
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: @Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response.
Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this.
##Vote: Austinmcc
SOMEONE is going to be the hammer vote. In every vote. It's going to happen.
Being the hammer vote with no reasoning given is going to stick out and make you look quite bad. Maybe I have more faith in TL towns, but I'd assume at least SOME reasoning is going to be given with a vote. Giving no reason in a full-size majority extended lynch often raises eyebrows and is frowned upon. Giving no reason for a vote in a mini this small when you hammer someone would raise all eyebrows.
So ... I'm not worried about people hammering with no reasoning. They're going to stick out. They're going to get scrutinized. Yes, it would cut discussion short. But I don't think anyone is realistically just going to pop in and drop a hammer vote with no reasoning. Maybe someone will prove me wrong about that. But until then, I'll have faith in my fellow townies and assume it's not going to happen.
Why should I be worried, then, about hammer votes with no reasoning? No townie should be doing that, period. So it's the exact opposite of "too scummy to be scum." It's "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum." That's why I don't care if someone does it. Because anyone doing it is basically claiming scum, and everyone in both alignments should know that.
So lets say someone hammer votes today with no explanation. Are you going to vote for them tomorrow?
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: @Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response.
Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this.
##Vote: Austinmcc
SOMEONE is going to be the hammer vote. In every vote. It's going to happen.
Being the hammer vote with no reasoning given is going to stick out and make you look quite bad. Maybe I have more faith in TL towns, but I'd assume at least SOME reasoning is going to be given with a vote. Giving no reason in a full-size majority extended lynch often raises eyebrows and is frowned upon. Giving no reason for a vote in a mini this small when you hammer someone would raise all eyebrows.
So ... I'm not worried about people hammering with no reasoning. They're going to stick out. They're going to get scrutinized. Yes, it would cut discussion short. But I don't think anyone is realistically just going to pop in and drop a hammer vote with no reasoning. Maybe someone will prove me wrong about that. But until then, I'll have faith in my fellow townies and assume it's not going to happen.
Why should I be worried, then, about hammer votes with no reasoning? No townie should be doing that, period. So it's the exact opposite of "too scummy to be scum." It's "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum." That's why I don't care if someone does it. Because anyone doing it is basically claiming scum, and everyone in both alignments should know that.
So lets say someone hammer votes today with no explanation. Are you going to vote for them tomorrow?
"hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum" is hyperbole. But it's NOT a good indicator of towniness. It's more than enough reason to really scrutinize someone, and poke at them pretty hard.
I'm still unconvinced that this is actually going to be a problem. Have faith.
I'm in transit today, and will be again on Monday.
@questions someone was asking me: I think I was pretty clear explaining the random lunch thing. There's a bunch of names in here I don't recognize, so proposing the random lunch was kind of a long shot hoping that some of the ones I did recognize would go along with me because they knew the plan. It didn't work out, oh well.
Sinensis I don't think your point on Austin is very good. Even if you disagree with him, for that to make him scum his position would have to be pushing a scum agenda and I don't think it does. He's not saying "scum wouldn't hammer someone becaise it would bring pressure, therefore hammering isn't scummy", he's just saying "hammering would bring a lot of pressure" - or at least that's how I interpreted it.
I also don't think "you seem too afraid of getting lynched, you must be scum" is good logic. Actually, that's terrible logic - if townies always let themselves be lunched or didn't care about it then scum would always get easy mislynches and win. Conversely, if townies never let themselves get lunched then town would always win. Getting mislynched is like the worst thing a townie can do. So don't judge ottoxlol based on whether he's trying not to get lynched, judge him based on how he's scum hunting and how he is interacting with the thread.
Also I place an fos on whoever said he was scum because he doesn't want to get lynched. I really think that's bad logic.
Planes gonna leave soon ill check in again later tonight.
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: @Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response.
Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this.
##Vote: Austinmcc
SOMEONE is going to be the hammer vote. In every vote. It's going to happen.
Being the hammer vote with no reasoning given is going to stick out and make you look quite bad. Maybe I have more faith in TL towns, but I'd assume at least SOME reasoning is going to be given with a vote. Giving no reason in a full-size majority extended lynch often raises eyebrows and is frowned upon. Giving no reason for a vote in a mini this small when you hammer someone would raise all eyebrows.
So ... I'm not worried about people hammering with no reasoning. They're going to stick out. They're going to get scrutinized. Yes, it would cut discussion short. But I don't think anyone is realistically just going to pop in and drop a hammer vote with no reasoning. Maybe someone will prove me wrong about that. But until then, I'll have faith in my fellow townies and assume it's not going to happen.
Why should I be worried, then, about hammer votes with no reasoning? No townie should be doing that, period. So it's the exact opposite of "too scummy to be scum." It's "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum." That's why I don't care if someone does it. Because anyone doing it is basically claiming scum, and everyone in both alignments should know that.
So lets say someone hammer votes today with no explanation. Are you going to vote for them tomorrow?
"hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum" is hyperbole. But it's NOT a good indicator of towniness. It's more than enough reason to really scrutinize someone, and poke at them pretty hard.
I'm still unconvinced that this is actually going to be a problem. Have faith.
That was a yes or no question. Not a dodge with short answer and claim none of this matters question.
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: @Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response.
Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this.
##Vote: Austinmcc
SOMEONE is going to be the hammer vote. In every vote. It's going to happen.
Being the hammer vote with no reasoning given is going to stick out and make you look quite bad. Maybe I have more faith in TL towns, but I'd assume at least SOME reasoning is going to be given with a vote. Giving no reason in a full-size majority extended lynch often raises eyebrows and is frowned upon. Giving no reason for a vote in a mini this small when you hammer someone would raise all eyebrows.
So ... I'm not worried about people hammering with no reasoning. They're going to stick out. They're going to get scrutinized. Yes, it would cut discussion short. But I don't think anyone is realistically just going to pop in and drop a hammer vote with no reasoning. Maybe someone will prove me wrong about that. But until then, I'll have faith in my fellow townies and assume it's not going to happen.
Why should I be worried, then, about hammer votes with no reasoning? No townie should be doing that, period. So it's the exact opposite of "too scummy to be scum." It's "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum." That's why I don't care if someone does it. Because anyone doing it is basically claiming scum, and everyone in both alignments should know that.
So lets say someone hammer votes today with no explanation. Are you going to vote for them tomorrow?
"hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum" is hyperbole. But it's NOT a good indicator of towniness. It's more than enough reason to really scrutinize someone, and poke at them pretty hard.
I'm still unconvinced that this is actually going to be a problem. Have faith.
That was a yes or no question. Not a dodge with short answer and claim none of this matters question.
Then no. So scummy you have to be scum is hyperbole, it's not guaranteed to garner a vote.
@SnB The question was that if we would have gone along with the random lynch, why would it be good for town or scum? The way I see it only scum would want "random" lynch, could you explain it to me why you are not scum for wanting random lynch?
@phagga That game was completely different from this. The previous game (LIII) I posted in a similar manner like this btw, I made a case on a blue who we lynched because his bad claim, we had almost zero discussion, the game ended with total scum victory, I wanted to make sure we do not lynch another blue and I saw a chance that Matt was one, so at least I tried to get everyone talking why did they voted. It didnt work out very well... If I did not defend myself you could have said that I gave up so I must be scum. Why is it a bad thing that I try to explain my actions and my thought process so we dont start off with a mislynch?
@austin My main problem is you try to skew my post in a very different way then its written. My response to Bluelightz can be used for you as well, you do not point out why am I scummy other then I don't scumhunt (when next part you attack me for wanting to get answers from SnB, lol at waiting is bad with instant majority)
On September 28 2012 05:03 strongandbig wrote: I'm in transit today, and will be again on Monday.
@questions someone was asking me: I think I was pretty clear explaining the random lunch thing. There's a bunch of names in here I don't recognize, so proposing the random lunch was kind of a long shot hoping that some of the ones I did recognize would go along with me because they knew the plan. It didn't work out, oh well.
Sinensis I don't think your point on Austin is very good. Even if you disagree with him, for that to make him scum his position would have to be pushing a scum agenda and I don't think it does. He's not saying "scum wouldn't hammer someone becaise it would bring pressure, therefore hammering isn't scummy", he's just saying "hammering would bring a lot of pressure" - or at least that's how I interpreted it.
I also don't think "you seem too afraid of getting lynched, you must be scum" is good logic. Actually, that's terrible logic - if townies always let themselves be lunched or didn't care about it then scum would always get easy mislynches and win. Conversely, if townies never let themselves get lunched then town would always win. Getting mislynched is like the worst thing a townie can do. So don't judge ottoxlol based on whether he's trying not to get lynched, judge him based on how he's scum hunting and how he is interacting with the thread.
Also I place an fos on whoever said he was scum because he doesn't want to get lynched. I really think that's bad logic.
Planes gonna leave soon ill check in again later tonight.
You clearly shouldn't write posts when you're hungry.
Also, I never said he is scum because he is afraid. I meant to say that he should not be afraid of getting lynched as town, because if you are town and play without fear, people will often recognize it and not lynch you.
The reason I voted him was more austins case and the fact that I feel that Ottoxlol is merely trying to blend in instead of helping town.
(in case you didn't notice yet, I'm they guy you're FOSing).
On September 28 2012 04:46 phagga wrote: Sinensis, while you are here, I would like to know your stance on Ottoxlol.
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. I'm null on him. I think the worst thing he's done is instead of formulating a proper defense (against something that really didn't need defending against), he tried to shift the blame onto others...BUT he wasn't trying to shift the blame onto 1 or 2 other people, he was trying to shift the blame back onto everyone. That's why I think he just believes he's being treated unfairly and is just lashing out at everyone else. This doesn't strike me as scummy so much as just bad town play.
Aside from that all he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand because SnB has been posting weird stuff this game. First there was the random lynch suggestion. He posted this too:
On September 27 2012 05:22 strongandbig wrote: what about vt's fakeclaiming boxer
lets all claim boxer
I've said a lot already about why VTs shouldn't be fake claiming. Was SnB fishing for people to agree with him or is he suggesting something that benefits mafia on purpose?
ANYWAY I just think Ottoxlol is understandably concerned with SnB's play, and I think in the future Ottoxlol should start making proper defenses instead of blaming everyone else.
So you see, then I wasnt entirely clear with my defense, its not about "why didnt you guys choose someone else, don't kill me", its more about TELL ME why did you choose me over the others.
On September 28 2012 05:34 Ottoxlol wrote: So you see, then I wasnt entirely clear with my defense, its not about "why didnt you guys choose someone else, don't kill me", its more about TELL ME why did you choose me over the others.
That is not a defense. That is you requesting that we give you more information.
You may think you need that information in order to mount a defense (I don't know what I'm being accused of, so I can't respond), but that doesn't quite fit with "All these other people are doing the same thing/being scummy" because you're basically saying "We all look bad," which is absolutely not a defense...it's an admission that you don't look good followed by nothing to make you look good. Especially when you don't give any particulars and you're just content to summarily state that many others are acting similarly.
The way in which you "defended" yourself a is a lot of what looks off about you, because you're just casting a little bit of doubt on most of the thread in what you're doing, rather than pointing out what you've done that's not scummy, or going and making a case on someone that you DO find scummy. Nor do any of the other people on the list seem to be waiting around for one player to comment on one thing so that they can do anything.
On September 28 2012 05:34 Ottoxlol wrote: So you see, then I wasnt entirely clear with my defense, its not about "why didnt you guys choose someone else, don't kill me", its more about TELL ME why did you choose me over the others.
That is not a defense. That is you requesting that we give you more information.
You may think you need that information in order to mount a defense (I don't know what I'm being accused of, so I can't respond), but that doesn't quite fit with "All these other people are doing the same thing/being scummy" because you're basically saying "We all look bad," which is absolutely not a defense...it's an admission that you don't look good followed by nothing to make you look good. Especially when you don't give any particulars and you're just content to summarily state that many others are acting similarly.
The way in which you "defended" yourself a is a lot of what looks off about you, because you're just casting a little bit of doubt on most of the thread in what you're doing, rather than pointing out what you've done that's not scummy, or going and making a case on someone that you DO find scummy. Nor do any of the other people on the list seem to be waiting around for one player to comment on one thing so that they can do anything.
It fits because as far as I understand the vote on me by you is because i don't hunt scum, then what is "That is you requesting that we give you more information." if not that? And there is asking SnB why did he do something only scum would do (imo)
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
Since austin is in a tiny bit of trouble i will come out and say i think he is town. Austin has been very up front with his thought process and why he is thinking the way he thinks about certain players. Austin played liked this with his defense in my last game especially towards the end before he died.
I see much town mentality in the way Austin is thinking.
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?
thrawn, I did not vote for SnB because I want him to answer first, its not that I did not give any reason, I posted them. He suggested this random lynch thing that is in my opinion is a scum move, isnt active at all, called me scummy when others did the same thing as me.
Check out my previous post, I think you can read my intentions clearly. I asked everyone who voted me why me over the others, still waiting on you guys to post it. I think I am hunting scum with this also with my questions toward SnB, if you still think I should do more then lynch me idc, this is what I can give town. No one doing anything special (much more then this) so idk why is the bus on me.
austin's vote on me I feel like because I don't contribute, then he admits that I ask for information but doesnt give any - scummy
thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me:
On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote Ottoxlol
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? "
iamperfection, why should I vote for Thrawn over other players here? Why is he scummy, beyond him spouting off some association junk? Is doing that really more scummy than anything anyone else is doing?
Basically thats the most scummy thing i find. I just do see town members having that mentality in reminds me of zeph from our previous game. As town we don't have much information so to make an association this early i find completely ridiculous as i can never see a town member doing that.
On September 28 2012 07:38 strongandbig wrote: Otto you clearly didn't actually read the post where I explained the random lynch gambit. I wonder if it worked after all?
For the last time, I am asking why would scum freak out, as far as I am concerned random lynch would mean they can vote without any reasoning so I see it as a 100% scum move. Explain it to me in detail pls.
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
Then who will you vote for?
I will wait for him to post, then we will see
You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question.
@SnB then I don't understand random lynch at all. I thought it is like we go to a random website roll 1-8 then put our votes in-> ofc scum wont do it properly so there is much less chance to lynch them
My case on thrawn:
On September 28 2012 07:32 Ottoxlol wrote:
thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me:
On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote Ottoxlol
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? "
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
Then who will you vote for?
I will wait for him to post, then we will see
You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question.
I gave my full read on SnB, explained why I did not vote at the moment, the first bolded part is where he lies about it, the second and third he wrote in the same post! Don't let him get away with this please
ottoxlol: You say I lied, with the lie being that I said you wouldn't give your full read on snb. Yes you have given your read, but the question originally proposed to you was about where your vote was going to go, and you specifically declined answering that question. Whether or not you want to vote for snb is a very big part of what I look at when trying to determine how genuine your read on snb is.
So your original problems with snb's suggestion were that you couldn't see how it could be fairly done as far as actual logistics goes? You didn't say anything like that at all when you said you first said you didn't like the idea.
On September 28 2012 10:43 thrawn2112 wrote: ottoxlol: You say I lied, with the lie being that I said you wouldn't give your full read on snb. Yes you have given your read, but the question originally proposed to you was about where your vote was going to go, and you specifically declined answering that question. Whether or not you want to vote for snb is a very big part of what I look at when trying to determine how genuine your read on snb is.
So your original problems with snb's suggestion were that you couldn't see how it could be fairly done as far as actual logistics goes? You didn't say anything like that at all when you said you first said you didn't like the idea.
I did not decline answering, I already told Blue that I would vote SnB but first I want to hear his response. you can see what I wrote, you quoted it )))) He asked that if I will vote for him, I reply we will see what he will respond.
One more lie, this is the first time I post my concern about the random lynch thing:
On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote: I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either.
Why would scum freak out with random lynch? Sorry if I interpret random lynch in a different way, but that would give them a free pass to vote without any reasoning.
As you can see I am already concerned with that I am not sure if I understand random lynch and that I don't like it if its the way I think it is. This was my 5th post.
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?
Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it.
On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote: Ebwop
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for.
Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important
Because his defense was "everyone else is playing bad, not just me." He feels if he is in the spotlight and being voted for, than anyone could be because his town play is at least as good as everyone else's; so he believes. This is a bad defense by him and he needs to do better, maybe not take personal offense when someone points out one of his mistakes. I understand why he was critical of your play SnB, you freaked him out with your rng suggestion, but I don't really understand why he voted for thrawn other than that thrawn is playing more aggressive than he is.
otto you keep saying that I'm lying and you're acting like you have no clue why my accusations are being made, and I think whether you're town or mafia you actually do know why. I feel like most of your defenses thus far have been deflections or omgusing
There'd be some outside random generator. Palmar, when actually suggesting this, had a site set up. Based on the time, it kicked out a name at random, iirc. Everyone could go to the site at x time, and whoever it picked at that time would be the lynch.
Nobody had to report in anything special, you couldn't game the system by going to an RNG website and just roll 30 or 40 lynches and post a screenshot of whatever one you liked best. It was verifiable by everyone in the game because they could check the site at x time, but wasn't controlled by anyone in game, so you knew it was actually popping up a random name.
On D1, as far as I can tell, scum usually can get themselves better odds on not getting lynched than pure chance gives. In that case, a random lynch is scary because they can't plan for out, can't get out from under it, and don't have any control over the situation. Town's just gonna kill someone and it's got a whatever out of whatever chance of being scum. I'll look over things again tomorrow morning and make sure, specifically check some other games of Ottox, but right now I don't think he's scum. Going to unvote for now, and will find a new target unless his past games give me a bad feeling.
The entire lack of a defense and lack of any effort at actually putting one up doesn't feel scummy to me. Other thoughts on that? I've had that feeling all afternoon, but was hoping maybe there would be more action created, votes or unvotes, or other candidates filtering up. It didn't generate too much, but oh well.
On September 28 2012 07:50 strongandbig wrote: There's a higher chance that they get lynched that way on day 1 and if they get chosen their partners can't save them.
It's an unexpected and unpredictable situation where they have to react quickly.
On September 28 2012 08:34 Ottoxlol wrote: @SnB then I don't understand random lynch at all. I thought it is like we go to a random website roll 1-8 then put our votes in-> ofc scum wont do it properly so there is much less chance to lynch them
On September 28 2012 10:58 Ottoxlol wrote: As you can see I am already concerned with that I am not sure if I understand random lynch and that I don't like it if its the way I think it is. This was my 5th post.
Yeah but their discussion (otto and snb) seems to have moved on about the logistics of it, as per this post and the one snb made after it. Just seems like way too many words to clear up something that has pretty much been wrapped up.
There'd be some outside random generator. Palmar, when actually suggesting this, had a site set up. Based on the time, it kicked out a name at random, iirc. Everyone could go to the site at x time, and whoever it picked at that time would be the lynch.
Nobody had to report in anything special, you couldn't game the system by going to an RNG website and just roll 30 or 40 lynches and post a screenshot of whatever one you liked best. It was verifiable by everyone in the game because they could check the site at x time, but wasn't controlled by anyone in game, so you knew it was actually popping up a random name.
On D1, as far as I can tell, scum usually can get themselves better odds on not getting lynched than pure chance gives. In that case, a random lynch is scary because they can't plan for out, can't get out from under it, and don't have any control over the situation. Town's just gonna kill someone and it's got a whatever out of whatever chance of being scum. I'll look over things again tomorrow morning and make sure, specifically check some other games of Ottox, but right now I don't think he's scum. Going to unvote for now, and will find a new target unless his past games give me a bad feeling.
The entire lack of a defense and lack of any effort at actually putting one up doesn't feel scummy to me. Other thoughts on that? I've had that feeling all afternoon, but was hoping maybe there would be more action created, votes or unvotes, or other candidates filtering up. It didn't generate too much, but oh well.
On September 28 2012 12:01 Bluelightz wrote: austin, would you kindly respond to my accusation?
Sure.
On September 28 2012 00:42 Bluelightz wrote: My stance for today: austinmcc, because his post's are about hammering/setup, and only about hammering/setup, he hasn't attempted any scum-hunting at all, which is scummy because discussing about hammer/setup brings us no closer to victory. As well as, in his most recent game - Rockband Mini Mafia - he atleast already had suspicions on someone, not like here, when it's already 48 hours and more into the game.
##Vote: austinmcc
This bit? I know I was also FoSed in a post with ottox and I, but it seemed like that was for mostly the same reasoning.
I don't take issue with what you're saying. Like...I can't refute that I was not doing other things. Nor did any of that discussion end up as a jumping off point to any activity.
Rockband and this have been different games. There we had early movement and activity, gave me lots to look through. Here not so much. I've been poking around some today, and will be tomorrow. It's up to you to determine whether you find it scummy that I've been more active recently or not (I would suggest a town read, but ymmv).
Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more.
On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote: Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more.
if you're still up please say who you do prefer as a vote, we're pretty damn close to deadline already
On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote: Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more.
if you're still up please say who you do prefer as a vote, we're pretty damn close to deadline already
Off the top of my head, nobody's sticking out as someone I really want to vote.
I'd like to see ShiaoPi answer the questions the were addressed to him a while back, as well as give his thoughts on Ottox.
I want to look over you and phagga again. Ottox's defense was so not-a-defense that it felt townie to me. Again, I'd actually like to know what people think about his play after getting a vote(s) and how they read it. Phagga voted shortly after myself, but you came in after a while. I don't like you voting even though you yourself thought it was more of deflection than defense. I actually really don't think I like that, you get a close read!
On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote: Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more.
if you're still up please say who you do prefer as a vote, we're pretty damn close to deadline already
Off the top of my head, nobody's sticking out as someone I really want to vote.
I'd like to see ShiaoPi answer the questions the were addressed to him a while back, as well as give his thoughts on Ottox.
I want to look over you and phagga again. Ottox's defense was so not-a-defense that it felt townie to me. Again, I'd actually like to know what people think about his play after getting a vote(s) and how they read it. Phagga voted shortly after myself, but you came in after a while. I don't like you voting even though you yourself thought it was more of deflection than defense. I actually really don't think I like that, you get a close read!
There's a distinction between making a bad defense and making a bad defense by deflecting... I'd say deflecting is scummy.
And sorry I dont know what you mean by "close read."
On September 28 2012 00:42 Bluelightz wrote: My stance for today: austinmcc, because his post's are about hammering/setup, and only about hammering/setup, he hasn't attempted any scum-hunting at all, which is scummy because discussing about hammer/setup brings us no closer to victory. As well as, in his most recent game - Rockband Mini Mafia - he atleast already had suspicions on someone, not like here, when it's already 48 hours and more into the game.
##Vote: austinmcc
This bit? I know I was also FoSed in a post with ottox and I, but it seemed like that was for mostly the same reasoning.
I don't take issue with what you're saying. Like...I can't refute that I was not doing other things. Nor did any of that discussion end up as a jumping off point to any activity.
Rockband and this have been different games. There we had early movement and activity, gave me lots to look through. Here not so much. I've been poking around some today, and will be tomorrow. It's up to you to determine whether you find it scummy that I've been more active recently or not (I would suggest a town read, but ymmv).
##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant. @Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog. @Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: ##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant. @Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog. @Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that?
First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players" Also could you be more specific with the accusations?
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: ##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant. @Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog. @Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that?
First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players" Also could you be more specific with the accusations?
I am accusing you of sabotaging meaningful discussion by nit picking everyone's posts. I think you're doing this because people are voting for you and you're looking for ANYTHING that will get the spotlight off you. The problem isn't with 1 or 2 of your posts, it's most of them. How would you like me to be more specific?
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.
So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?
What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
"just making a note of it"
Wanna say anything further than that?
No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?
Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it.
So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last.
He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this:
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.
So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?
What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.
He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me.
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations.
Anyways,
Sinensis makes this comment:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
"just making a note of it"
Wanna say anything further than that?
No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was:
On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:
On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?
Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it.
So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last.
He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this:
On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.
So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?
What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.
He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me.
##Unvote ##Vote Sinensis
What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place.
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations.
Anyways,
Sinensis makes this comment:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
"just making a note of it"
Wanna say anything further than that?
No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was:
On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:
On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?
Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it.
So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last.
He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this:
On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.
So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?
What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.
He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me.
##Unvote ##Vote Sinensis
What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place.
Don't be intimidated by the word count, feel free to defend yourself.
You need to go reread my responses to your posts and come back and say something about them other than they aren't worth responding to.
On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.
Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.
I'm off to bed...was a long day :S
You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy?
First off: way too early for connection stuff, get a red flip (or any flip in that regard) first and then we get link people, but that is not necessarily a scumtrait
What I did not like was this post:
On September 26 2012 07:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense
While I am also of the opinion that the hammer-vote has significantly more impact in this game, there is no reason to give out "warnings" since every player should read the thread and be active anyway, looked a bit like giving potential scum more time.
Also the various nitpicking stuff. As I said it is basically things which can be interpreted as scummy but are not necessarily so.
Now on to the stuff that happened while I was busy. First off I don't want to lynch ottox today. You might say he is scummy for not defending himself and going after other people instead, I believe it to be more a towntrait to continue scumhunting, while being under pressure by yourself. Neither do I want to lynch thrawn or austin. Now who do I want to lynch? I got several candidates at the moment: First off Sinensis.
It feels like his cases and suspicions are kind of forced. There was not much of a basis on his suspicions towards austin (imo) and the current target thrawn would read as null-townish to me at the moment. While he has been an active person the real amount of contribution was kind of low, I also did not like the way he kept theorizing about Boxer or not Boxer-stuff when it was not really relevant at all.
Next up phagga:
His votepost really struck me as odd. He accuses ottox of not playing like a townie should (scumhunting, establishing own innocence) while ottox' defense was precisely scumhunting on his own terms. While it may not be that good at establishing townieness, I think it to be town to look for scum instead of defending yourself all the time.
Last but not least iamperfection should really be stepping it up. While he did the first vote of the game, it was with rather poor reasoning imo and he has largely gone back to lurking. What are your reads at the moment iamperfection? Still want to lynch thrawn?
I'll be heading out again, but be back before I sleep. Laters!
@ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
@phagga That game was completely different from this. The previous game (LIII) I posted in a similar manner like this btw, I made a case on a blue who we lynched because his bad claim, we had almost zero discussion, the game ended with total scum victory, I wanted to make sure we do not lynch another blue and I saw a chance that Matt was one, so at least I tried to get everyone talking why did they voted. It didnt work out very well... If I did not defend myself you could have said that I gave up so I must be scum. Why is it a bad thing that I try to explain my actions and my thought process so we dont start off with a mislynch?
It was about the way you defended yourself. However, judging from your following posts, it indeed rather seems to have been bad townie defense than scum defense.
Thrawn would still be my top pick. Call me stubborn but associative crap bugs the hell out of me. I don't think I'm wrong when i say townies do not make associations like that so i think he will flip scum.
However shaiopi could please expand your reason on why you don't want to lynch thrawn and austin.I saw you gave some reason on why you don't want to lynch ottox but what are your reasons for not lynching Austin or thrawn? I gave reasons on why i think austin is town do you share those or do you have different reasons? Also expand on thrawn please.
On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.
Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.
I'm off to bed...was a long day :S
You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy?
First off: way too early for connection stuff, get a red flip (or any flip in that regard) first and then we get link people, but that is not necessarily a scumtrait
that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense
While I am also of the opinion that the hammer-vote has significantly more impact in this game, there is no reason to give out "warnings" since every player should read the thread and be active anyway, looked a bit like giving potential scum more time.
Also the various nitpicking stuff. As I said it is basically things which can be interpreted as scummy but are not necessarily so.
Now on to the stuff that happened while I was busy. First off I don't want to lynch ottox today. You might say he is scummy for not defending himself and going after other people instead, I believe it to be more a towntrait to continue scumhunting, while being under pressure by yourself. Neither do I want to lynch thrawn or austin. Now who do I want to lynch? I got several candidates at the moment: First off Sinensis.
It feels like his cases and suspicions are kind of forced. There was not much of a basis on his suspicions towards austin (imo) and the current target thrawn would read as null-townish to me at the moment. While he has been an active person the real amount of contribution was kind of low, I also did not like the way he kept theorizing about Boxer or not Boxer-stuff when it was not really relevant at all.
Next up phagga:
His votepost really struck me as odd. He accuses ottox of not playing like a townie should (scumhunting, establishing own innocence) while ottox' defense was precisely scumhunting on his own terms. While it may not be that good at establishing townieness, I think it to be town to look for scum instead of defending yourself all the time.
Last but not least iamperfection should really be stepping it up. While he did the first vote of the game, it was with rather poor reasoning imo and he has largely gone back to lurking. What are your reads at the moment iamperfection? Still want to lynch thrawn?
I'll be heading out again, but be back before I sleep. Laters!
@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog.
Out of my current scum reads at the time I saw sure ottox was town after his reponse so I voted austin, austin has responded nicely so I unvoted him as well.
On September 28 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote: I think thrawn is town, no way scum would let him go like this.
what do you mean elaborate please?
I meant that, from a scum perspective, yes scum would defend his or herself, but not in the way he is defending: being active and open. thrawn continues to propose alternative lynches, which in a way provide information to the discussion, and continues to defend himself actively. Also, I don't think all his defenses/alternative lynch proposals are from collaborations (with scumbuddies), but independent work.
sooo I am back and I am gonna stick around for about an hour or so before sleeping and dropping my vote (sleeping at deadline).
@Iamperfection: I do not want to lynch austin, since he reads as town to me. The thing with thrawn is, while there is some stuff that looks bad, it can also be kind of townie, so I am more for keeping him around for at least another day. Also being one of the more active persons, it should get easier to read him as the game progresses. It is poor reasoning since the derpage of doing associative tells that early could simply be town as well. Stupidity is universal and not limited to either alignment. So I do not like to kill him off that in addition to the things I mentioned already.
@Sinensis: I read that whole dialogue, no need to remind me to do it. Still I did not like how you jumped on him. Point remains.
@phagga: Who do you want to lynch?
@Bluelightz: Same question as above. Who is scummiest in your opinion?
Okay fuck this, since they are both not here and I am getting tired, let's do this the old fashioned way.
##vote: phagga
Reasons: He has very much blended in with the thread, never took a stance that would have stood out from the general direction the thread was heading to. There is close to zero content within his posts (most are short anyway). The first longer post is the more or less useless list of timezones, he admitted himself that talking about it is a good way to appear contributing while not doing it actually. Also look at the way he shifted his attention around, never called out somebody (besides the "lurkers" at the start) on his own, but piled up onto thrawn and ottox respectively as they started to get pressured by others. As the pressure subsides he pulls back as well.
So I wanted him to give out reads of his own, maybe a target of his own, instead of sheeping others and blending in with thread-sentiment. Looks like he is either not online right now or prefers to lurk. Since I want to sleep soon, I won't stick around all the time until he posts.
I cannot see any good town reasons for trying to blend into the thread and doing nothing besides piling up onto players already under fire. Looks incredibly scummy in trying to be on the "good" side of town, while seemingly "contributing" but actually just coasting along.
I know it's a bit late to propose a new lynch target but phagga reads red to me now.
I'll give phagga a look Shiao, but I think primarily I'd prefer a lynch on Thrawn or Sinensis.
Rereading all and I'll get some posts up. That timezone bit that you don't like I'm more null on. It's true that a bunch of timezone discussion won't really do anything, and the more I look back at it, the more that's not a point that could really start any discussion (which I was hoping it would). Timezones are just facts and it's not like scum was going to come out arguing that we should never find a common time to discuss things, so it wasn't going to filter out alignments at all. I kind of like his calling me out on the timezone bit being useless.
Hmmm...just going by gut feeling from a single reread, it looks like two townies at each other's throats for the sake of tunneling the other. Thrawn's vote seems a bit oppurtunistic, with 3 votes there was the real possibility of ottox getting hammered with the threadsentiment at that time. especially considering the fact that thrawn had a vote on him as well (still has as a matter of fact)
Ottox' vote could be called omgus or scumhunting, it is kind of nullish. I already said that thrawn can be interpreted as scummy or townie so I am not so sure on it. I think both of them kind of talked to each other without listening to each other, at least it reads that way to me. As a result I dunno what to really make of it. Thrawn reads a bit as piling onto ottox while he is pressured, the votepost of his was not too informative, while ottox reads as kind of omgus. Both do not look too good in the exchange.
On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote: Ebwop
On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for.
Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important
Because his defense was "everyone else is playing bad, not just me." He feels if he is in the spotlight and being voted for, than anyone could be because his town play is at least as good as everyone else's; so he believes. This is a bad defense by him and he needs to do better, maybe not take personal offense when someone points out one of his mistakes. I understand why he was critical of your play SnB, you freaked him out with your rng suggestion, but I don't really understand why he voted for thrawn other than that thrawn is playing more aggressive than he is.
Sinensis can you explain this a little further. It was an odd comment.
Did you find his defense/believing he was being unfairly voted for townie? Scummy? How did it make you read his attackers?
Do you think he actually took "personal offense"? If so, where?
Shiao, here are my (short) thoughts on Phagga. I guess let's discuss him a little if you're around and I don't get pulled away.
His inactivity is generally null for a game that's early and hasn't been inactive, but I don't love that he's constantly sniping about the game being slow and then not really trying to do anything about that. + Show Spoiler +
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
Don't be shy. If you're townie, there is nothing to fear. Just try not to clutter up the thread.
We are off to a really slow start, something that can generate usefull discussion is always welcome.
On September 26 2012 22:52 ShiaoPi wrote: @phagga: I don't like your opening post.
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
you complain about lack of activity in this game, while having been inactive as well. You also jump on another person who has done nothing until then. The post is pretty much devoid of any meaning, besides opposition to random lynches. Nothing that screams scum right now, but still worthy to take a note of.
I wrote pregame I would be inactive the first 9 hours due to sleep, which is pretty much how long I was inactive.
I frequently point out people who are not active, you can find this in any of my older games. It's a habit I have developed to make people aware that someone has been inactive for a longer time. I also like it as a reminder when scumhunting to see if the person has had several periods of long inactivity and what that could mean in the context of the game/thread.
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Game is slow. Game is slow we need something to create discussion. I watch for inactives and point them out. Gets on Thrawn's case for not contributing.
In all of that, phagga isn't doing an awful lot himself. I shared his feeligns that we needed something to create discussion, but had no idea how to get that started, so I can't really fault him for those posts.
However, I don't actually see him hounding inactive players. I don't actually see him attempting to do too much.
I hate this post:
On September 28 2012 01:36 phagga wrote: Eh, no? I was talking generally, not about thrawn specifically. I agree that thrawn does not look scummy, i just think the reason you gave is bad.
We know phagga wants discussion. Wants the game to move. He's speaking with Bluelightz, who posts this:
On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote: Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this.
Why would Mafia not do that? According to you, that makes them look townie, which is what they try to achieve.
If you look at it from a mafia perspective I don't think mafia would be that open in giving information out out to town, as well as, if you say it that way, wouldn't all the things you are doing is trying to achieve mafia's objective?
Of course Mafia tries to achieve their objective, I just find it dangerous to say that mafia would not do something because only townies do something/take that risk. If an action means you can look more townier, than it might be a good idea to risk it as scum, to get some towncred.
So, EVERYTHING Thrawn did is an action that supposedly makes him townier?
and that was phagga's response.
Effectively, phagga is just shutting down the chat with Bluelightz. I'm only speaking generally. I agree that thrawn isn't scummy, but I don't like your reason. I won't tell you WHY i don't like your reason. I won't explain MY reasons. I won't keep the analysis of Thrawn going at all. Just give some general statements and not offer my own specific thoughts.
Phagga's unvote on Ottox ... doesn't do wonders for me either way. The reasoning behind his original vote was something I didn't express well but also didn't like. The unvote comes a looooooooong time after Ottox has started to look very town. And it doesn't come with anything else. No desire to seek another target, no nothing after that. Just "Okay, no Ottoxvote."
@ShiaoPi My current scum read is primarily on Sinensis and phagga, explanations:
On Sinensis, I can see his reasoning before his thrawn vote, but his thrawn vote is what makes me think he's scum.
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
He bases his vote on responses, but the problem is he didn't show why thrawn's response is scummy (or explain his points on thrawn's response).
On phagga, I think he's scum because after he votes Ottox, he doesn't make any effort to convince others of Ottox's scumminess besides asking Sinensis on his stance on Ottox and clarifying why he thinks Ottox is scum, then what? He unvotes Ottox and doesn't post anything else.
Also I think he is scum because he keeps on dropping useless stuff here and there, comments near the bolded part.
On September 28 2012 05:27 phagga wrote: -snip-
You clearly shouldn't write posts when you're hungry. <--- WHAT USE IS THIS?
Also, I never said he is scum because he is afraid. I meant to say that he should not be afraid of getting lynched as town, because if you are town and play without fear, people will often recognize it and not lynch you.
The reason I voted him was more austins case and the fact that I feel that Ottoxlol is merely trying to blend in instead of helping town.
(in case you didn't notice yet, I'm they guy you're FOSing).
On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote: Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did.
## Vote Thrawn
You want that vote to count? Than you better write his name right. <----- Isn't he smart enough to notice? @thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet.
@austinmc, you have only been talking setup so far. Any thoughts on iamps vote on thrawn? Any thoughts on other players? @Ottoxlol, you just sound afraid to get lynched, which should not really be a problem when you're town. This post stands out:
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
When I compare this with your play in LVII where you furiously defended your idea although several people started to calling a vig on you, then you're behaviour this game seems off.
Oh, and while reading his filter, this is my weakest point,
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
This seems like overkill, because if you look at (my) post before, this is just the exactly same thing.
Final verdict:
I'm more confident of phagga flipping scum then Sinensis, who I have some doubts.
I'm here ShiaoPi, reading filters. More coming soon.
regarding the bolded part:
On September 29 2012 00:47 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay fuck this, since they are both not here and I am getting tired, let's do this the old fashioned way.
##vote: phagga
Reasons: He has very much blended in with the thread, never took a stance that would have stood out from the general direction the thread was heading to. There is close to zero content within his posts (most are short anyway). The first longer post is the more or less useless list of timezones, he admitted himself that talking about it is a good way to appear contributing while not doing it actually.
You must be kidding me. How many times do I have to explain that I wanted to shut that discussion down before it takes off? Which I did, by the way, because noone was talking about it afterwards!
Looking back over sinensis and thrawn, going to post a little on them. Once it's all out, gonna look at my three thoughts. I'm having a hard time comparing them inside my head, but ... without writing things out I don't like him as my top lynch candidate.
I'd really like to hear him explain how he feels about thrawn after he didn't do so earlier.
@phagga: the bolded part is not even the main argument but whatever. mind sharing your thoughts/reads? Preferably in a timely fashion since I do plan to sleep sometime...
Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again. I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that" Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense. So fos for that on Otto.
But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent.
In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you.
So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn.
This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point.
So I think we should lunch thrawn.
I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it.
ShiaoPi, I know, I just saw that part and knew the response to it, so I wrote. I will go into your case later (perhaps much later). I have a somewhat bigger post on thrawn incoming, but I'm still reading some stuff to make sure I got everything in it that I want to have. 10 more mins and I'll be done.
On September 26 2012 23:04 thrawn2112 wrote: Why is everyone talking about useless shit such as timezones?
The only one talking about it were austinmcc and me, and I tried to stop that discussion.
On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote: It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question
It wasn't a question, Ottox did not want to vote yet.
On September 28 2012 10:43 thrawn2112 wrote: ottoxlol: You say I lied, with the lie being that I said you wouldn't give your full read on snb. Yes you have given your read, but the question originally proposed to you was about where your vote was going to go, and you specifically declined answering that question. Whether or not you want to vote for snb is a very big part of what I look at when trying to determine how genuine your read on snb is.
Ottox did not decline answering the question, he said he might vote snb but wants to hear is answer first.
This one is probably the worst, completely missinterpreting Sinensis accusation, therefor I post it in the open.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.
So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?
What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.
He never said to not go after other people, he never said not to ask questions. He was talking about the way you were doing those two things and that he sees your methods as disrupting instead of helpful.
I was unsure if it was just your reading comprehension that failed over and over again or if you did this on purpose. When I compare your play to Newbie Mini Mafia XXVI, then I don't see any misreading of this type there.
Interestingly enough, earlier in the thread, Sinensis posted this:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: I wasn't implying SnB's meta is unclear and dickish. I've played many games with him and he's never been a dick to me. I was implying that being clear and undickish (that's a word I promise) is a good way to be in general. It makes communicating easier. That's all I was saying with that. Communicate clearly and undickishly and I'll be happy to give anyone my time.
Thrawn is doing the exact opposite in his beforementioned post. This could be an attempt to avoid having to properly defend against Sinensis' accusations. Also, Thrawns response seems over the top. Check how other reacted on such statements from Sinensis, they were much cooler (e.g. Austin)
I also don't like how he is suddenly attacking Sinensis when his points are valid. He does not really try to defend, instead he just attacks him here and demands Sinensis defends.
Thrawn, get in here, this is your last chance to say something about this. I expect a statement until deadline -1 hour (that's in roughly 2 hours), else I'll hammer you.
eeewwww, this ended up being way too big. The first part is general thoughts and stuff that poked out of Thrawn's filter but didn't really GENERATE a read on thrawn. Then the vote, his discussion with ottox, and some other stuff, which is what actually led to my read on him. I cleaned this up a little, but it's still kind of ugly and too long, sry.
Thrawn
On September 26 2012 23:04 thrawn2112 wrote: If someone hammers another player without warning then what is a legitimate response? What reasonable punishment could you put in place to stop people from doing it? I say it's not too big of a deal. If someone hammers a player then we can speculate as to the legitimacy of their motivations.
minor town points. agree with it being not too big a deal. others may find this scummy though, since my comments were found scummy by some.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
"just making a note of it"
Wanna say anything further than that?
null but I found it...interesting? that he keeps harping on this comment. Is it scum trying to figure out why Sinensis is making note of his play? Is it scum worried that Sinensis is onto thrawn/phagga distancing themselves? Or does he just feel that Sinensis is basically saying nothing, because making a note of something that happened is what everyone should be doing with everything that happens here. No read built off this post, but ... I made a note of it (sunglasses).
On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.
Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.
I'm off to bed...was a long day :S
You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy?
again we have concerns over someone finding him scummy maybe. Again, it's not like you can build a read out of it.
On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote Ottoxlol
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
This is where things start to turn on me with Thrawn. Drops a nice vote in the middle of the pack. Drops it a ways into Ottox's "defense." To me, Ottox feels pretty darn towny at this point because of the way he's just...not been defending himself and not being worried at all. But Thrawn votes here with very little reasoning, and absolutely no discussion of why Ottox is scummy. Look at his comments:
Ottox you gave a bad defense/deflection instead of defense
You didn't give your full read on snb earlier
Give a read on SnB, or if you have a townread, who else is scummy?
Where is the reason for the VOTE? Where is the reason Ottox is SCUMMY? X not giving a full read on Y isn't a reason to vote for X. Ottox's odd defense was one of the most towny things out there the more it continued, so why is Thrawn harping on that as well, and is that his reason for voting? BOO AT THIS VOTE. BOO AT THIS POST. Looks to me like joining a lynch in the middle with no real reasoning, just pushing a mislynch.
Thrawn CONTINUES to harp at ottox after this. The whole exchange feels stupid, because again, I've got Ottox looking very towny in how he's responding to pressure. But thrawn keeps pumping him. Look at page 9 of the game, too many little posts to link here. So at this point, here's what I'm seeing.
Thrawn comes in a ways after Ottox has picked up some votes
Thrawn doesn't really state why Ottox is scummy when voting him, just some ticky tacky problems he has with Ottox's play, without saying whether he finds Ottox's play scummy or townie (aside from the vote indicating scummy)
He continues to poke at Ottox when Ottox starts to look clearly townie to me
After that, Ottox comes back with a vote on Thrawn. I'm more mixed here:
Specifically, look at Ottox's vote post where he votes Thrawn and Thrawn's response. Those I'll include here.
On September 28 2012 08:34 Ottoxlol wrote: @SnB then I don't understand random lynch at all. I thought it is like we go to a random website roll 1-8 then put our votes in-> ofc scum wont do it properly so there is much less chance to lynch them
thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me:
On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote Ottoxlol
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? "
On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote: It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question
quote pls?
lol do you really not know what I'm talking about?
On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:30 Bluelightz wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
Then who will you vote for?
I will wait for him to post, then we will see
You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question.
I gave my full read on SnB, explained why I did not vote at the moment, the first bolded part is where he lies about it, the second and third he wrote in the same post! Don't let him get away with this please
##Vote thrawn2112
I don't see thrawn lying really, I don't think Ottox did a great job of laying out a clear read on SnB, but I also don't see why thrawn is hounding him about it. Thrawn ... hmmm. I can't tell if he's really fighting the vote or not. If he's actually getting worked up about Ottox's vote, then I see that as scummy, because the vote and reasoning feel weak, and a strong response to a weak vote makes me think scum is worried about picking up random votes. I'd like outside thoughts here, concerning Thrawn's reaction to Ottox's vote:
On September 28 2012 10:43 thrawn2112 wrote: ottoxlol: You say I lied, with the lie being that I said you wouldn't give your full read on snb. Yes you have given your read, but the question originally proposed to you was about where your vote was going to go, and you specifically declined answering that question. Whether or not you want to vote for snb is a very big part of what I look at when trying to determine how genuine your read on snb is.
So your original problems with snb's suggestion were that you couldn't see how it could be fairly done as far as actual logistics goes? You didn't say anything like that at all when you said you first said you didn't like the idea.
On September 28 2012 11:39 thrawn2112 wrote: otto you keep saying that I'm lying and you're acting like you have no clue why my accusations are being made, and I think whether you're town or mafia you actually do know why. I feel like most of your defenses thus far have been deflections or omgusing
Initially it struck me as a strong response. On reread it doesn't really.
On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote: Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more.
if you're still up please say who you do prefer as a vote, we're pretty damn close to deadline already
Off the top of my head, nobody's sticking out as someone I really want to vote.
I'd like to see ShiaoPi answer the questions the were addressed to him a while back, as well as give his thoughts on Ottox.
I want to look over you and phagga again. Ottox's defense was so not-a-defense that it felt townie to me. Again, I'd actually like to know what people think about his play after getting a vote(s) and how they read it. Phagga voted shortly after myself, but you came in after a while. I don't like you voting even though you yourself thought it was more of deflection than defense. I actually really don't think I like that, you get a close read!
There's a distinction between making a bad defense and making a bad defense by deflecting... I'd say deflecting is scummy.
And sorry I dont know what you mean by "close read."
This post bugs me for the same reason...phagga's post about thrawn not looking scummy bugged me. He gives a conclusion, but no real reasoning, and it doesn't necessarily match up with earlier statements.
I mention that I dislike thrawn's votepost. I mention that I dislike the deflection/defense big seemingly being the reason for a vote (I didn't realize how little reasoning there was the vote last night off the top of my head
Thrawn's response is that
There's a distinction between making a bad defense and making a bad defense by deflecting... I'd say deflecting is scummy.
Sinensis, in his vote post, gave a longer explanation of why deflecting can be scummy. Thrawn gives none. He doesn't note that he never called it scummy in his vote post. He doesn't explain why it's scummy. He doesn't explain what the distinction IS between a bad defense and deflecting.
On September 29 2012 00:47 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay fuck this, since they are both not here and I am getting tired, let's do this the old fashioned way.
##vote: phagga
Reasons: He has very much blended in with the thread, never took a stance that would have stood out from the general direction the thread was heading to. There is close to zero content within his posts (most are short anyway). The first longer post is the more or less useless list of timezones, he admitted himself that talking about it is a good way to appear contributing while not doing it actually. Also look at the way he shifted his attention around, never called out somebody (besides the "lurkers" at the start) on his own, but piled up onto thrawn and ottox respectively as they started to get pressured by others. As the pressure subsides he pulls back as well.
So I wanted him to give out reads of his own, maybe a target of his own, instead of sheeping others and blending in with thread-sentiment. Looks like he is either not online right now or prefers to lurk. Since I want to sleep soon, I won't stick around all the time until he posts.
I cannot see any good town reasons for trying to blend into the thread and doing nothing besides piling up onto players already under fire. Looks incredibly scummy in trying to be on the "good" side of town, while seemingly "contributing" but actually just coasting along.
I know it's a bit late to propose a new lynch target but phagga reads red to me now.
Where did I pile up on thrawn? And I raised my suspicion of Ottoxlol here before austins case.
don't have much more time, need to run for train, will be online from mobile and later.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Looks like pounding on thrawn to me. Also regarding ottox, you mention him as bluelightz starts pressuring him. Sleepy as fuck now, so I am off to bed. I would really like you guys to considerate a lynch on phagga, but if you do not like to do it, at least hammer someone, no lynch would be just awful.
On September 29 2012 01:10 austinmcc wrote: Shiao, here are my (short) thoughts on Phagga. I guess let's discuss him a little if you're around and I don't get pulled away.
His inactivity is generally null for a game that's early and hasn't been inactive, but I don't love that he's constantly sniping about the game being slow and then not really trying to do anything about that. + Show Spoiler +
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
Don't be shy. If you're townie, there is nothing to fear. Just try not to clutter up the thread.
We are off to a really slow start, something that can generate usefull discussion is always welcome.
On September 26 2012 22:52 ShiaoPi wrote: @phagga: I don't like your opening post.
On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages.
I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue.
Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim?
Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past.
you complain about lack of activity in this game, while having been inactive as well. You also jump on another person who has done nothing until then. The post is pretty much devoid of any meaning, besides opposition to random lynches. Nothing that screams scum right now, but still worthy to take a note of.
I wrote pregame I would be inactive the first 9 hours due to sleep, which is pretty much how long I was inactive.
I frequently point out people who are not active, you can find this in any of my older games. It's a habit I have developed to make people aware that someone has been inactive for a longer time. I also like it as a reminder when scumhunting to see if the person has had several periods of long inactivity and what that could mean in the context of the game/thread.
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Game is slow. Game is slow we need something to create discussion. I watch for inactives and point them out. Gets on Thrawn's case for not contributing.
In all of that, phagga isn't doing an awful lot himself. I shared his feeligns that we needed something to create discussion, but had no idea how to get that started, so I can't really fault him for those posts.
However, I don't actually see him hounding inactive players. I don't actually see him attempting to do too much.
On September 28 2012 01:36 phagga wrote: Eh, no? I was talking generally, not about thrawn specifically. I agree that thrawn does not look scummy, i just think the reason you gave is bad.
We know phagga wants discussion. Wants the game to move. He's speaking with Bluelightz, who posts this:
On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote: Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this.
Why would Mafia not do that? According to you, that makes them look townie, which is what they try to achieve.
If you look at it from a mafia perspective I don't think mafia would be that open in giving information out out to town, as well as, if you say it that way, wouldn't all the things you are doing is trying to achieve mafia's objective?
Of course Mafia tries to achieve their objective, I just find it dangerous to say that mafia would not do something because only townies do something/take that risk. If an action means you can look more townier, than it might be a good idea to risk it as scum, to get some towncred.
So, EVERYTHING Thrawn did is an action that supposedly makes him townier?
and that was phagga's response.
Effectively, phagga is just shutting down the chat with Bluelightz. I'm only speaking generally. I agree that thrawn isn't scummy, but I don't like your reason. I won't tell you WHY i don't like your reason. I won't explain MY reasons. I won't keep the analysis of Thrawn going at all. Just give some general statements and not offer my own specific thoughts.
I mention in the nested posts in the quote above why I think it is a bad argument. I did not intend to shut the discussion down, but realized bluelights thought that I suspected thrawn, which I did not really do at this point.
Phagga's unvote on Ottox ... doesn't do wonders for me either way. The reasoning behind his original vote was something I didn't express well but also didn't like. The unvote comes a looooooooong time after Ottox has started to look very town. And it doesn't come with anything else. No desire to seek another target, no nothing after that. Just "Okay, no Ottoxvote."
I saw one response yesterday an thought, that sounds better, butnot good enough yet. So I went to bed, and when I had time today again to write a proper post I unvoted. I saw early this morning that he was in no danger to get lynched, so I wanted to waitunt I could make a proper post
On phagga, I think he's scum because after he votes Ottox, he doesn't make any effort to convince others of Ottox's scumminess besides asking Sinensis on his stance on Ottox and clarifying why he thinks Ottox is scum, then what? He unvotes Ottox and doesn't post anything else.
Was at work, wanted to write about thrawn, did not have enough time for more than unvote.
Also I think he is scum because he keeps on dropping useless stuff here and there, comments near the bolded part.
On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote: Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did.
## Vote Thrawn
You want that vote to count? Than you better write his name right. <----- Isn't he smart enough to
I was not sure of iamp's intentions there. I wanted to see if he is serious with his vote or not. Soon after there was a vote count that showed his vote as counting.
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Oh, and while reading his filter, this is my weakest point,
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
This seems like overkill, because if you look at (my) post before, this is just the exactly same thing.
I wanted to point the sections out, to give itmore emphasis.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Looks like pounding on thrawn to me. Also regarding ottox, you mention him as bluelightz starts pressuring him. Sleepy as fuck now, so I am off to bed. I would really like you guys to considerate a lynch on phagga, but if you do not like to do it, at least hammer someone, no lynch would be just awful.
night!
Thrawn: wanted to point out that he has been doing the very thing he accused me off. Was a bit weary of him, hence me asking him about his reads, response put me back on null on him for that moment.
Ottox: so what? Noone had voted on him and I brought up a genuine point. Where is the Problem?
I am home in 10 mins, family time, will be online in roughly 2 hours.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Looks like pounding on thrawn to me. Also regarding ottox, you mention him as bluelightz starts pressuring him. Sleepy as fuck now, so I am off to bed. I would really like you guys to considerate a lynch on phagga, but if you do not like to do it, at least hammer someone, no lynch would be just awful.
night!
You guys may not like association talk, but I'll note that if thrawn flips scum then Phagga is my #1 read. Sinensis picked up on their banter before, phagga's townread on thrawn with no reasoning felt off to me, and then he drops in with a case once thrawn starts to be a pretty clear favorite (although so did 1/3 of the game). My gut just lumps those two together as scum, although I guess we'll see what thrawn flips.
iamperfection, two questions. (1) Have you played any games as scum, and if so, which (I'm so lazy)? (2) How do you read shiaopi right now, or...general thoughts on shiaopi?
(I'll note that thrawn has not played any scum games, went back to look but he's always rolled town).
On September 28 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote: I think thrawn is town, no way scum would let him go like this.
what do you mean elaborate please?
I meant that, from a scum perspective, yes scum would defend his or herself, but not in the way he is defending: being active and open. thrawn continues to propose alternative lynches, which in a way provide information to the discussion, and continues to defend himself actively. Also, I don't think all his defenses/alternative lynch proposals are from collaborations (with scumbuddies), but independent work.
Given everything that's been written about thrawn in the last couple pages, could you look over them and give like...the 2 points on thrawn you agree with most and the 2 you disagree with most?
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Looks like pounding on thrawn to me. Also regarding ottox, you mention him as bluelightz starts pressuring him. Sleepy as fuck now, so I am off to bed. I would really like you guys to considerate a lynch on phagga, but if you do not like to do it, at least hammer someone, no lynch would be just awful.
night!
You guys may not like association talk, but I'll note that if thrawn flips scum then Phagga is my #1 read. Sinensis picked up on their banter before, phagga's townread on thrawn with no reasoning felt off to me, and then he drops in with a case once thrawn starts to be a pretty clear favorite (although so did 1/3 of the game). My gut just lumps those two together as scum, although I guess we'll see what thrawn flips.
I really don't see the logic behind all of this. What you are saying is that scum is already so desperate that they are not simply bussing each other, but even calling the deciding vote! And this in a game where it is absolutely unnecessary to do something like this on D1 because of the instant majority?
I'm not saying its impossible, but that would be a really desperate plan and should at least seem unlikely.
Also, I never had a townread on thrawn. I said that I don't think he is scummy. Stop making up facts.
Do you think my points I raise on thrawn are bad? if so, tell me why.
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Which seems to be negative (echoing others, not contributing)
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
posts "don't improve" --> implying they're bad or scummy? Accusing thrawn of "contradicting himself"
On September 28 2012 00:33 phagga wrote: @thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet.
This post doesn't really point towards a scummy OR a town read.
Those posts seem to indicate that you're viewing thrawn in a scummy light, or at the very least that you have no reason to view him in a townie light, since you've been critical of his play.
But then when Bluelightz advocates not lynching thrawn, you state this:
On September 28 2012 01:36 phagga wrote: Eh, no? I was talking generally, not about thrawn specifically. I agree that thrawn does not look scummy, i just think the reason you gave is bad.
Why did you not find thrawn scummy? What happened exactly that made you go from thrawn not looking scummy to you basically writing a case on him and threatening a vote?
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Looks like pounding on thrawn to me. Also regarding ottox, you mention him as bluelightz starts pressuring him. Sleepy as fuck now, so I am off to bed. I would really like you guys to considerate a lynch on phagga, but if you do not like to do it, at least hammer someone, no lynch would be just awful.
night!
You guys may not like association talk, but I'll note that if thrawn flips scum then Phagga is my #1 read. Sinensis picked up on their banter before, phagga's townread on thrawn with no reasoning felt off to me, and then he drops in with a case once thrawn starts to be a pretty clear favorite (although so did 1/3 of the game). My gut just lumps those two together as scum, although I guess we'll see what thrawn flips.
I really don't see the logic behind all of this. What you are saying is that scum is already so desperate that they are not simply bussing each other, but even calling the deciding vote! And this in a game where it is absolutely unnecessary to do something like this on D1 because of the instant majority?
I'm not saying its impossible, but that would be a really desperate plan and should at least seem unlikely.
Also, I never had a townread on thrawn. I said that I don't think he is scummy. Stop making up facts.
Do you think my points I raise on thrawn are bad? if so, tell me why.
What I'm saying is that you seem quite focused on thrawn at points - + Show Spoiler +
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
Don't be shy. If you're townie, there is nothing to fear. Just try not to clutter up the thread.
We are off to a really slow start, something that can generate usefull discussion is always welcome.
Coaching thrawn early on
On September 28 2012 00:33 phagga wrote: @thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet.
Mild coaching later on, in the middle of a larger post where you've got questions or reads on other players, but just offer thrawn what feels like a little advice. "it's not wrong to do that" implies some coaching.
On September 28 2012 01:36 phagga wrote: Eh, no? I was talking generally, not about thrawn specifically. I agree that thrawn does not look scummy, i just think the reason you gave is bad.
Oh no, I wasn't talking about thrawn. But since you bring him up, vague thought with no reasoning given.
On September 29 2012 01:31 phagga wrote: ?? Austin has not voted thrawn? Can you please point out the post?
Watching for votes on thrawn (Probably nothing, because everyone should have checked this, but I've seen scum get partially-caught because they were hyper-aware of votes on each other)
I'm not accusing you of bussing him all game, I'm saying that there are some interactions between the two of you (Sinensis noticed) that make me go "Hmmmm."
Nobody should get magical credit for being the deciding vote here, or making a case this late. It seems pretty clear that one of you is getting lynched, probably him, and it's not like I'm not happy to drop the hammer on him if you don't. I just don't go "I'm about to vote thrawn guys, I'm about to do it" to make sure everyone knows I'm happy voting thrawn.
It would be unlikely if out of the blue you chose thrawn to start attacking, tunneling, and driving a lynch on, and the two of you ended up scumbuddies. It wouldn't be be nearly as surprising if you're under a little heat, he's under heat, and you decide you need to vote him and draw up a case on him so you can get try and look a little better.
Alright, I've just been able to read the last few pages of the thread and there are several huge walls of text about me. I don't think I'm gogin to be able to respond to them all adequately before I get hammered so I'm just going to give some quick reads for yall to look over after my flip.
So I'm being mislynched which causes me to be suspicious of each of the people who have voted/talked about me. For iamp, his original vote was not based on very much and I have know way of knowing how honestly he felt about that first vote. Otto's vote I am not suspicious of,thinking about it now I think it's likely his vote came as a result of the two of us getting into a heated argument and not really feeling that the other person was listening to the argumentts we presented. Sinensis I am still suspicious of. Overall I've had a scummy read on him for a lot of the game and I don't even think he cared what I was saying in my defense, he was just brushing it aside. for phagga, he has been off my radar for a lot of the game other than our argument early on and his vote seemed to be a little out of the blue and it was at a perfect time for mafia to start putting pressure on their mislynch bandwagon. Also there is bl, who has sorta been defending me all game but not really going into too much detail about what exactly I've posted so I also think you should look at him.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Which seems to be negative (echoing others, not contributing)
I wanted to get a reaction of him. He accused me of not posting something of value, and I saw the contradiction because he had several junk posts as well. I wanted to see how he reacted when I pointed this out to him.
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
posts "don't improve" --> implying they're bad or scummy? Accusing thrawn of "contradicting himself"
uffa, let's see. Thrawn (correctly) accuses me of taking his posts out of context. What I wanted to point out was, that no matter if I read those quoted posts in context or not, they are bad either way. So that "improvement" was not meant on his general posting behaviour but still on the 4 posts I had pointed out earlier.
And I thought those posts are just bad, which is nothing new at the start of a game. some people use the first hour to troll / make bad posts. The only slightly scummy thing was that he was contradicting himself when he called me out on posts without value when he had himself posts without value. However, I realised that this dialogue would go nowhere (and be of no help) so I asked him for his reads.
On September 28 2012 00:33 phagga wrote: @thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet.
This post doesn't really point towards a scummy OR a town read.
Those posts seem to indicate that you're viewing thrawn in a scummy light, or at the very least that you have no reason to view him in a townie light, since you've been critical of his play.
for me, it did not change his alignment. I had a null read on him.
But then when Bluelightz advocates not lynching thrawn, you state this:
On September 28 2012 01:36 phagga wrote: Eh, no? I was talking generally, not about thrawn specifically. I agree that thrawn does not look scummy, i just think the reason you gave is bad.
Why did you not find thrawn scummy? What happened exactly that made you go from thrawn not looking scummy to you basically writing a case on him and threatening a vote?
It was his answer to my question if someone already stood out to him. I liked the thinking process behind it, and this pretty much set him to null for me after what had happened before.
On September 29 2012 05:01 thrawn2112 wrote: Alright, I've just been able to read the last few pages of the thread and there are several huge walls of text about me. I don't think I'm gogin to be able to respond to them all adequately before I get hammered so I'm just going to give some quick reads for yall to look over after my flip.
So I'm being mislynched which causes me to be suspicious of each of the people who have voted/talked about me. For iamp, his original vote was not based on very much and I have know way of knowing how honestly he felt about that first vote. Otto's vote I am not suspicious of,thinking about it now I think it's likely his vote came as a result of the two of us getting into a heated argument and not really feeling that the other person was listening to the argumentts we presented. Sinensis I am still suspicious of. Overall I've had a scummy read on him for a lot of the game and I don't even think he cared what I was saying in my defense, he was just brushing it aside. for phagga, he has been off my radar for a lot of the game other than our argument early on and his vote seemed to be a little out of the blue and it was at a perfect time for mafia to start putting pressure on their mislynch bandwagon. Also there is bl, who has sorta been defending me all game but not really going into too much detail about what exactly I've posted so I also think you should look at him.
glhf
god damnit, give me a good reason not to hammer you! you are here. If you are town, then try to get out of this!
On September 29 2012 05:01 thrawn2112 wrote: Alright, I've just been able to read the last few pages of the thread and there are several huge walls of text about me. I don't think I'm gogin to be able to respond to them all adequately before I get hammered so I'm just going to give some quick reads for yall to look over after my flip.
So I'm being mislynched which causes me to be suspicious of each of the people who have voted/talked about me. For iamp, his original vote was not based on very much and I have know way of knowing how honestly he felt about that first vote. Otto's vote I am not suspicious of,thinking about it now I think it's likely his vote came as a result of the two of us getting into a heated argument and not really feeling that the other person was listening to the argumentts we presented. Sinensis I am still suspicious of. Overall I've had a scummy read on him for a lot of the game and I don't even think he cared what I was saying in my defense, he was just brushing it aside. for phagga, he has been off my radar for a lot of the game other than our argument early on and his vote seemed to be a little out of the blue and it was at a perfect time for mafia to start putting pressure on their mislynch bandwagon. Also there is bl, who has sorta been defending me all game but not really going into too much detail about what exactly I've posted so I also think you should look at him.
glhf
No suspicions on me?
If phagga has been off your radar much of the game, could you give him a quick peek and a more robust read? For time's sake, cases on phagga can be found: here for Bluelightz, here for ShiaoPi
On September 29 2012 05:01 thrawn2112 wrote: Alright, I've just been able to read the last few pages of the thread and there are several huge walls of text about me. I don't think I'm gogin to be able to respond to them all adequately before I get hammered so I'm just going to give some quick reads for yall to look over after my flip.
So I'm being mislynched which causes me to be suspicious of each of the people who have voted/talked about me. For iamp, his original vote was not based on very much and I have know way of knowing how honestly he felt about that first vote. Otto's vote I am not suspicious of,thinking about it now I think it's likely his vote came as a result of the two of us getting into a heated argument and not really feeling that the other person was listening to the argumentts we presented. Sinensis I am still suspicious of. Overall I've had a scummy read on him for a lot of the game and I don't even think he cared what I was saying in my defense, he was just brushing it aside. for phagga, he has been off my radar for a lot of the game other than our argument early on and his vote seemed to be a little out of the blue and it was at a perfect time for mafia to start putting pressure on their mislynch bandwagon. Also there is bl, who has sorta been defending me all game but not really going into too much detail about what exactly I've posted so I also think you should look at him.
glhf
god damnit, give me a good reason not to hammer you! you are here. If you are town, then try to get out of this!
On September 29 2012 05:01 thrawn2112 wrote: Alright, I've just been able to read the last few pages of the thread and there are several huge walls of text about me. I don't think I'm gogin to be able to respond to them all adequately before I get hammered so I'm just going to give some quick reads for yall to look over after my flip.
So I'm being mislynched which causes me to be suspicious of each of the people who have voted/talked about me. For iamp, his original vote was not based on very much and I have know way of knowing how honestly he felt about that first vote. Otto's vote I am not suspicious of,thinking about it now I think it's likely his vote came as a result of the two of us getting into a heated argument and not really feeling that the other person was listening to the argumentts we presented. Sinensis I am still suspicious of. Overall I've had a scummy read on him for a lot of the game and I don't even think he cared what I was saying in my defense, he was just brushing it aside. for phagga, he has been off my radar for a lot of the game other than our argument early on and his vote seemed to be a little out of the blue and it was at a perfect time for mafia to start putting pressure on their mislynch bandwagon. Also there is bl, who has sorta been defending me all game but not really going into too much detail about what exactly I've posted so I also think you should look at him.
glhf
god damnit, give me a good reason not to hammer you! you are here. If you are town, then try to get out of this!
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
On September 29 2012 05:01 thrawn2112 wrote: Alright, I've just been able to read the last few pages of the thread and there are several huge walls of text about me. I don't think I'm gogin to be able to respond to them all adequately before I get hammered so I'm just going to give some quick reads for yall to look over after my flip.
So I'm being mislynched which causes me to be suspicious of each of the people who have voted/talked about me. For iamp, his original vote was not based on very much and I have know way of knowing how honestly he felt about that first vote. Otto's vote I am not suspicious of,thinking about it now I think it's likely his vote came as a result of the two of us getting into a heated argument and not really feeling that the other person was listening to the argumentts we presented. Sinensis I am still suspicious of. Overall I've had a scummy read on him for a lot of the game and I don't even think he cared what I was saying in my defense, he was just brushing it aside. for phagga, he has been off my radar for a lot of the game other than our argument early on and his vote seemed to be a little out of the blue and it was at a perfect time for mafia to start putting pressure on their mislynch bandwagon. Also there is bl, who has sorta been defending me all game but not really going into too much detail about what exactly I've posted so I also think you should look at him.
glhf
No suspicions on me?
If phagga has been off your radar much of the game, could you give him a quick peek and a more robust read? For time's sake, cases on phagga can be found: here for Bluelightz, here for ShiaoPi
Ya you also voted for me. My read of your cases so far have been that they don't look like scum-created cases. my only suspicions of you have been about how much you seem to enjoy typing words, but i've known other townies in toher games who like to do that (talk for no reason) so it's not too much for me to be suspicious of, especially during D1 where we have to start with 0 discussion and work our way up.
before I go onto the other cases about phagga let me share my thought about our earlier interactions.
At the start of the game I came in with at least a few posts that were basically worthless as far as my scumhunting efforts goes. They were kinda trollish in nature (looking back on them now) and phagga definitely made a big deal out of them. He didn't really say why he thought they were scummy he just started putting blame on me for making them. Later I asked him why he jumped all over me for those posts and he said it was because he wanted to point out how I was contradicting myself. Anyways that entire exchange between us made me think he was just trying to make me look bad without actually having to go out and give a scum read on me.
Reading through the cases against him right now, and yes he does seem to make completely useless statements that are only there so that he could type words. I'll keep posting as I keep reading.
On September 29 2012 05:20 phagga wrote: nice game that's going on here...
austinmcc, are you pressuring thrawn into voting me?
I'm legitimately interested in his read on you.
On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: EBWOP: I heard wrong about you not voting, but you can always move it. I already failed my own fun game.
alright so about ShiaoPi's case, it's that phagga had been blending into the thread and not taken a stance on anything that would put him in pressure.
Just off of memory the only thing that I can remember about phagga's accusations was his vote for me, which came at a time that would be oppurtunistic in creating a mislynch from a mafia perspective
On September 29 2012 05:20 phagga wrote: nice game that's going on here...
austinmcc, are you pressuring thrawn into voting me?
who else could I possibly vote for? I mean I could have sat here and hoped that everyone will switch to sinensis but that is not going to happen
Read on in the thread. That question was not about you. If you legitimately want to lynch me, go ahead and vote (well, you did vote already, but you know what I mean). Else there is still the possibility to no-lynch.
regarding the thread, I explained our banter more here:
On September 29 2012 05:32 phagga wrote: your argumentation so far has not giving me a reason not to hammer you, so currently I would, yes.
Why does my vote and suspicion on ottoxlol not stand out, but the vote on you does?
I was talking about what I can distinctly remember about your play over the course of the game. Ever since our first argument you've completely dropped off my radar. I'll go look at the ottoxlol vote and tell you what I think about it
The reason I have not hammered you yet is that every piece of information is important for town. You are here, so we can discuss what's going on. No need to prematurely hammer you.
Ok first, your first point against him was that he looks afraid to be lynched. Yes mafia are more afraid of being lynched than town but town still DO NOT want to be lynched. Especially D1 I'd think. So right off the bat it seems like you were making a big deal out of something that could be either town or mafia
Then in the post where you unvote him you say "It was about the way you defended yourself. However, judging from your following posts, it indeed rather seems to have been bad townie defense than scum defense."
To be that looks like you honestly didn't care too much about the case. You give a small sentence of reasoning why you accept his defense, you talk about his following posts as if they are why you are unvoting him but you don't quote them or talk about them specifically or anything. So I don't like how easily you let off nor do I feel like your reasoning for doing so was adequate.
On September 29 2012 05:48 thrawn2112 wrote: if anyone has a question for me please hurry up and ask
You said you were suspicious of everyone voting for you. Can you narrow that down to a most scummy person out of that group?
Not that I was suspicious of everyone of scum, my thought process was "ok since I am getting lynched I need to look at all the poeple who voted for me and see who is most suspicious"
can't decide between sinensis or phagga. last night sinensis was my #1 read but after going through phagga's filter in the last 30 min or so i'd rather lynch him
also if I survive I want to see more from bluelightz about why he didn't want to lynch me without him giving general reasons.
On September 29 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote: Ok first, your first point against him was that he looks afraid to be lynched. Yes mafia are more afraid of being lynched than town but town still DO NOT want to be lynched. Especially D1 I'd think. So right off the bat it seems like you were making a big deal out of something that could be either town or mafia
I don't share view, specially as there were no votes on Ottoxlol at that point. There was no reason for him to be afraid.
Day ends in 14 minutes on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
Anyone that's not one of us three fine fellow OR BLAZINGHAND around?
i am here
(1) How do I know you're not actually BH? (2) It's too close to deadline. Was going to try and drum up some discussion about phagga and thrawn with people who aren't phagga and thrawn, but we can do that over N1.
On September 29 2012 05:56 iamperfection wrote: 5 min is a liftetime austin.
Thoughts on phagga? Those would be the pressing ones.
Followed by:
On September 29 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote: iamperfection, two questions. (1) Have you played any games as scum, and if so, which (I'm so lazy)? (2) How do you read shiaopi right now, or...general thoughts on shiaopi?
Nick Plott sat with his friend and co-worker, Dan Stemkoski, as they ate their lunches. Inexpensive food, as always. GOM couldn't afford to pay them much any more, even though Gretech had plenty of money. Sc2 was a dying esport, and everyone knew it. The ignominious cheesing incidents cast a long shadow, and now as they neared the end of Season 2 the cheese had claimed another victim, Mr Chae. Who else had believed in them, had believed in Sc2 for so long? Nobody. He was... a true esportsman.
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The two foreigners who left behind lives and careers to go to Korea, to follow their dreams, eat their rice and kimchi and think in silence. It is Dan who breaks the silence first. "When John the Translator cheesed me, you know, I was able to fight back. It was direct, but it was easy to read. Mr Chae, though, he never had a chance. This was stealthy-- and John's still in prison for his crimes."
Nick nods. "In the building that day were just players, casters, and support staff. Nobody else could have gotten in or out without going past the security with a badge. We have a list of suspects. All we have to do is confirm their alibis and we can find the cheeser by process of elimination."
As they return to their seats to begin their commentating, the two casters note the plentiful field of players in the Ro9. They put on their cheerful faces, knowing they have to make it, have to hold everything together for Mr Chae, or for his memory. The lights comes on, the streams go live, and they talk and joke and what is left of the Sc2 community tunes in for this fateful round.
The games are brutal and long, and the first to fall is Hyperdub to an overwhelming macro game.
"gg"
Thrawn2112 as Hyperdub the progamer has been eliminated!
It is now Night 1. The Night ends in 24 hours at Saturday, Sep 29 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Make sure to get night actions into Blazinghand and Hapahauli by that time.
On September 29 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote: iamperfection, two questions. (1) Have you played any games as scum, and if so, which (I'm so lazy)? (2) How do you read shiaopi right now, or...general thoughts on shiaopi?
Old friend staying with me for the weekend, won't be as active as during the week. Will put some time in tomorrow before deadline to get reads out and look things over.
Was this actually to phagga, or was it to me?
On September 29 2012 11:54 iamperfection wrote: phagga can you please explain your thinking in detail towards the end there especially at this juncture.
On September 29 2012 05:56 iamperfection wrote: 5 min is a liftetime austin.
Thoughts on phagga? Those would be the pressing ones.
Followed by:
On September 29 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote: iamperfection, two questions. (1) Have you played any games as scum, and if so, which (I'm so lazy)? (2) How do you read shiaopi right now, or...general thoughts on shiaopi?
hmm...I know I said hammer anyone but...why did it have to be this close on my preferred target gg thrawn. Will be back later to give out some thoughts and read what I missed besides the flip
On September 29 2012 11:54 iamperfection wrote: phagga can you please explain your thinking in detail towards the end there especially at this juncture.
On September 29 2012 05:56 iamperfection wrote: 5 min is a liftetime austin.
Thoughts on phagga? Those would be the pressing ones.
Followed by:
On September 29 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote: iamperfection, two questions. (1) Have you played any games as scum, and if so, which (I'm so lazy)? (2) How do you read shiaopi right now, or...general thoughts on shiaopi?
At that quoted point I was not thinking much anymore. My decision to hammer thrawn was already made earlier.
Let's go back 15 hours. On Friday morning I read the thread with the new various posts of ottoxlol. I had seen one of his defenses following my case the night before, now there even more. I came to the conclusion that he probably was not scum, and decided to take my vote from him in the next possible. At the same time, i got suspicious of Thrawn. However, I had a busy workday and found almost no time to read through filters and make a post.
At lunch I made my unvote post (unvoted ottoxlol). I continued reading through thrawns stuff, looked at in context of the thread, made notes and prepared a post. At some Point ShiaoPi called me out and then voted me. However, I did not want to throw an unfinished post out there so I just kept ignoring it for the time being and worked on my case.
Now, my biggest problem was that I was unsure how to deal with the situation. I wanted to hear more of thrawn, but feared he might get hammered shortly if i voted him (3 were voting him at the time). When I was pondering what to do, snb voted him, increasing the vote count to 4, and then I knew what to do. I posted my case and gave him until deadline -1 to show up in the thread and talk about the cases that came up. At that point I was unsure how the day would end. I was willing to hammer thrawn if necessary, but would have agreed with a no-lynch if he made a good defense.
bluelightz voted for me, but I needed to go home to my family, so I posted some stuff from my mobile on the train, trying to discuss the various accusations against me.
Later in the thread, thrawn comes in, resignated. Now, I just want to make one thing clear: Had thrawn not shown up at pretty much the last minute, I would have hammered him there already. However, when he arrived, I wanted to give him the chance to prove his innocence. His posts show that he either has not read the whole thread or completely disagrees with some stuff I wrote. I keep having a scummy read on him.
Now the situation starts to change. Austin increases the pressure on me and encourages thrawn to read my filter and vote on me, if approriate. Thrawn votes, I'm 1 vote away from getting hammered. At this point I realize that a no-lynch is the worst option. Why?
Normally a nolynch is a good option if town can not agree on a lynch target and spreads their votes over 3 or 4 targets, or if the primary lynch target turns out to be incredible townie at last moment. both was not the case here. Although I started getting my doubts about thrawn, I knew that if I did not hammer him, with the information available, I would regret letting him live the next day as he still looked scummy in my opinion. Also, we have two groups, one piling votes on me, the other piling votes on thrawn. With a nolynch, I feared we would be in the exact same situation next day, arguing about me and thrawn and not get anything else done. So about 30 minutes before deadline I decided to hammer him.
then it was just waiting to see if new information came available that might be useful later. This is why I waited until about 3 minutes before deadline to hammer him when I had the feeling nothing useful would come anymore.
I just want to make one thing absolutely clear. The case on thrawn did not come from one moment to the other. It built up in my mind over the whole day. However, I thought it was not important to let town know I was working on a possible case, so I never wrote anything about it. This is why my case was perceived as a drastic change of mind, while in reality the whole process lasted several hours. Why did I not inform you earlier? Well, I'm reading Vers analysis on Mafia XXX, and one thing that stands out is "keep town on a need to know basis". I thought town does not need to know I'm working on this case until it is finished. That was obviously wrong. Instead I let town know of other useless stuff in the beginning of the game (see bluelightz case on me). Looks like I still have to work on that one.
If you have questions, ask away. I don't know yet when I will be online again, weekends are family time and it is very unpredictable for me to say when I will be online again, but hopefully I will make to the start of the new day.
On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time.
Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later.
Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
@iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that?
@Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time.
Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later.
Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
@iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that?
@Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
Why is my case one of the weakest? I might vote phagga tomorrow, but I'm feeling like I should rethink phagga, although my brain still says phagga is scum. Also, How the fuck could I push phagga when I was asleep after posting my case (or my last post of day 1?)
On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote: @austin
On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time.
Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later.
Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
@iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that?
@Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
Why is my case one of the weakest? I might vote phagga tomorrow, but I'm feeling like I should rethink phagga, although my brain still says phagga is scum. Also, How the fuck could I push phagga when I was asleep after posting my case (or my last post of day 1?)
Your case on him was that he post too much useless things, and only that, this is why I found it kind a weak. You had a very strong town read on thrawn, and thats why it is kind of surprising that you did not try more, I suppose if you slept its ok.
On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time.
Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later.
Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
As to the first, here's what I wrote:
On September 28 2012 11:43 austinmcc wrote: I'll look over things again tomorrow morning and make sure, specifically check some other games of Ottox, but right now I don't think he's scum. Going to unvote for now, and will find a new target unless his past games give me a bad feeling.
The entire lack of a defense and lack of any effort at actually putting one up doesn't feel scummy to me. Other thoughts on that? I've had that feeling all afternoon, but was hoping maybe there would be more action created, votes or unvotes, or other candidates filtering up. It didn't generate too much, but oh well.
##Unvote
Basically, I found the way you reacted to votes to be townie. I need to look over it again because now you're kind of in my blind spot after I label you town in my head, but that's where you are. However, we needed SOMETHING to galvanize discussion. Votes on you, getting you close to lynch but not lynched, was something that I hoped to provide that. Anything would have been helpful, maybe picking out one of the later votes on you as scum (I thought thrawn's vote fit the bill) or seeing someone argue that you were town (Sinensis had that weird "unfairly voted for" line). Just figured that the longer someone was close to lynch, the more discussion we could generate.
So I didn't want you lynched, but I wanted something to be actively happening in the thread, and having someone close to the chopping block was what we had. Therefore, I didn't want to unvote and weaken the only action going on in thread, but I didn't want you to actually get lynched. You're correct about me wanting to lynch Thrawn. If phagga wasn't going to vote him then I was. I liked both for scum and so, again, figured maybe something would shake out if both got close in the voting and we could get pressure on them. But I didn't want to lynch him right away since he'd been gone so much of the time he had lots of votes and we basically had no information from him for much of the day. Voting phagga and getting pressure on phagga in addition to Thrawn seemed like the most useful thing to do with my vote if I wasn't going to hammer Thrawn early.
If anyone had come in thread and moved a vote from Thrawn to phagga, I would have happily entertained that lynch as well, so I felt fine having my vote on non-Thrawn since either lynch was good imo.
@austin However despite your efforts(?) not too much of a discussion emerged even though iamperfection was in the thread. You voted at .15, then waited half an hour, asked if anyone around at .45, then when iamp .52 posted that was too late for discussion for you, when he replied that its still a plenty of time you had a question for him at 57 (moments before the lynch). If your main priority was to stir up the thread a bit why wait so long? Also why not make a nice case on him that you can point to, instead of just asking "what do you think about phagga"? I feel somehow the same with the thing in my previous post about unvoting me, you seem to put a lot of effort into the game but doesnt care at all about who we lynch.
On September 29 2012 11:54 iamperfection wrote: phagga can you please explain your thinking in detail towards the end there especially at this juncture.
On September 29 2012 05:57 austinmcc wrote:
On September 29 2012 05:56 iamperfection wrote: 5 min is a liftetime austin.
Thoughts on phagga? Those would be the pressing ones.
Followed by:
On September 29 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote: iamperfection, two questions. (1) Have you played any games as scum, and if so, which (I'm so lazy)? (2) How do you read shiaopi right now, or...general thoughts on shiaopi?
At that quoted point I was not thinking much anymore. My decision to hammer thrawn was already made earlier.
Let's go back 15 hours. On Friday morning I read the thread with the new various posts of ottoxlol. I had seen one of his defenses following my case the night before, now there even more. I came to the conclusion that he probably was not scum, and decided to take my vote from him in the next possible. At the same time, i got suspicious of Thrawn. However, I had a busy workday and found almost no time to read through filters and make a post.
At lunch I made my unvote post (unvoted ottoxlol). I continued reading through thrawns stuff, looked at in context of the thread, made notes and prepared a post. At some Point ShiaoPi called me out and then voted me. However, I did not want to throw an unfinished post out there so I just kept ignoring it for the time being and worked on my case.
Now, my biggest problem was that I was unsure how to deal with the situation. I wanted to hear more of thrawn, but feared he might get hammered shortly if i voted him (3 were voting him at the time). When I was pondering what to do, snb voted him, increasing the vote count to 4, and then I knew what to do. I posted my case and gave him until deadline -1 to show up in the thread and talk about the cases that came up. At that point I was unsure how the day would end. I was willing to hammer thrawn if necessary, but would have agreed with a no-lynch if he made a good defense.
bluelightz voted for me, but I needed to go home to my family, so I posted some stuff from my mobile on the train, trying to discuss the various accusations against me.
Later in the thread, thrawn comes in, resignated. Now, I just want to make one thing clear: Had thrawn not shown up at pretty much the last minute, I would have hammered him there already. However, when he arrived, I wanted to give him the chance to prove his innocence. His posts show that he either has not read the whole thread or completely disagrees with some stuff I wrote. I keep having a scummy read on him.
Now the situation starts to change. Austin increases the pressure on me and encourages thrawn to read my filter and vote on me, if approriate. Thrawn votes, I'm 1 vote away from getting hammered. At this point I realize that a no-lynch is the worst option. Why?
Normally a nolynch is a good option if town can not agree on a lynch target and spreads their votes over 3 or 4 targets, or if the primary lynch target turns out to be incredible townie at last moment. both was not the case here. Although I started getting my doubts about thrawn, I knew that if I did not hammer him, with the information available, I would regret letting him live the next day as he still looked scummy in my opinion. Also, we have two groups, one piling votes on me, the other piling votes on thrawn. With a nolynch, I feared we would be in the exact same situation next day, arguing about me and thrawn and not get anything else done. So about 30 minutes before deadline I decided to hammer him.
then it was just waiting to see if new information came available that might be useful later. This is why I waited until about 3 minutes before deadline to hammer him when I had the feeling nothing useful would come anymore.
I just want to make one thing absolutely clear. The case on thrawn did not come from one moment to the other. It built up in my mind over the whole day. However, I thought it was not important to let town know I was working on a possible case, so I never wrote anything about it. This is why my case was perceived as a drastic change of mind, while in reality the whole process lasted several hours. Why did I not inform you earlier? Well, I'm reading Vers analysis on Mafia XXX, and one thing that stands out is "keep town on a need to know basis". I thought town does not need to know I'm working on this case until it is finished. That was obviously wrong. Instead I let town know of other useless stuff in the beginning of the game (see bluelightz case on me). Looks like I still have to work on that one.
If you have questions, ask away. I don't know yet when I will be online again, weekends are family time and it is very unpredictable for me to say when I will be online again, but hopefully I will make to the start of the new day.
so you are saying you were not aware of the situation when i announced my presence correct?
On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time.
Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later.
Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
@iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that?
@Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
If you have something you want to say just say it. i don't know what that means im here a lot but i don't participate? wtf
okay I had less time than I thought I would...Just saying now before sleeping:
I gave SnB more or less a freeride for being in transit, would be interested to see more from him phagga has kind of weakened my suspicions on him a bit, but I am still uncertain about him. Sinensis and iamperfection are also on my watchlist. For different reasons though. Sinensis has some stuff that has been pointed out already and I am too tired right now to dig up the other things. Iamperfection deserves some closer inspection for being around quite often but not doing that much, also he started the thrawn mislynch with pretty weak reasoning.
sorry for the lack of fleshing stuff out but I am tired and heading to bed now. Hopefully I am still alive after the deadline to elaborate.
On September 30 2012 00:01 Ottoxlol wrote: @austin However despite your efforts(?) not too much of a discussion emerged even though iamperfection was in the thread. You voted at .15, then waited half an hour, asked if anyone around at .45, then when iamp .52 posted that was too late for discussion for you, when he replied that its still a plenty of time you had a question for him at 57 (moments before the lynch). If your main priority was to stir up the thread a bit why wait so long? Also why not make a nice case on him that you can point to, instead of just asking "what do you think about phagga"? I feel somehow the same with the thing in my previous post about unvoting me, you seem to put a lot of effort into the game but doesnt care at all about who we lynch.
I didn't care much about who we lynched yesterday between those two.
I posted a little on phagga earlier in the day, but no, no big case. ShiaoPi and Bluelightz covered a lot of his play, I gave my thoughts on Shiao's case and then had some questions for phagga late.
Going to start getting some thoughts into thread. Everyone should be doing this. SUPER DUPER WALL OF TEXT ACTIVITE!!!!! My rough reads right now are:
Ottoxlol - Because of his response to pressure, although we need to make sure that not to just write him off as town and never scrutinize him.
ShiaoPi - I can see where a lot of his questions are coming from, but I wish he'd get more completed thoughts into the thread. At some points shiao is very vague -
phagga has kind of weakened my suspicions on him a bit, but I am still uncertain about him. Sinensis and iamperfection are also on my watchlist. For different reasons though. Sinensis has some stuff that has been pointed out already and I am too tired right now to dig up the other things. Iamperfection deserves some closer inspection for being around quite often but not doing that much, also he started the thrawn mislynch with pretty weak reasoning.
but he calls attention to that and has not been so throughout the game. Also not entirely sure that scum would suggest a new lynch target in phagga when votes were coming so slowly and could have mislynched thrawn yesterday. That bit is entirely speculative and not worth much.
Bluelightz - I don't know bluelightz play well. Will have to look it over if I survive. He tossed out a decent number of reads during the day (Initially ottox and I were scum, then Sinensis/phagga) and gave occasional other thoughts. However, especially on the sinensis/phagga reads, it feels like he just gives very cursory explanations. Whereas his thoughts on Ottox and I were spelled out a little more, then second set feels a little weaker, and I'm unsure what to make of that.
strongandbig - Right now, when I think of snb, I think of this post:
On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote: Ebwop
On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for.
Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important
Sinensis's weird offhand remark about ottox was something that looked weird, and I like that snb seemed to pick that up. But he never gave ANY thoughts on it. He just asks sinensis to elaborate, says it's "important," but doesn't say anything about that comment himself and never returns to it. A lot of the rest of his filter is just nothing or tiny bits on the random lynch, which says nothing about alignment. I still want to hear more from snb regarding sinensis's comment and elaboration.
Sinensis - Look at his D1. Early on, pretty active. Very critical of me, hounding me somewhat, seems interested and has a read and is pushing it. Later in the day though, there are lots of little things that concern me: this post - + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 04:46 phagga wrote: Sinensis, while you are here, I would like to know your stance on Ottoxlol.
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. I'm null on him. I think the worst thing he's done is instead of formulating a proper defense (against something that really didn't need defending against), he tried to shift the blame onto others...BUT he wasn't trying to shift the blame onto 1 or 2 other people, he was trying to shift the blame back onto everyone. That's why I think he just believes he's being treated unfairly and is just lashing out at everyone else. This doesn't strike me as scummy so much as just bad town play.
Aside from that all he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand because SnB has been posting weird stuff this game. First there was the random lynch suggestion. He posted this too:
On September 27 2012 05:22 strongandbig wrote: what about vt's fakeclaiming boxer
lets all claim boxer
I've said a lot already about why VTs shouldn't be fake claiming. Was SnB fishing for people to agree with him or is he suggesting something that benefits mafia on purpose?
ANYWAY I just think Ottoxlol is understandably concerned with SnB's play, and I think in the future Ottoxlol should start making proper defenses instead of blaming everyone else.
Look at how wishy washy his READ on Ottox is despite all these strong statements.
"I think Ottoxlol believes he is being unfairly voted for" "The worst thing he's done is x, x doesn't strike me as scummy so much as bad town play" "The only other thing he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand..."
To me, those ALL look like they should generate a town read, at least when taken together. But Sinensis is null. And that "unfairly voted for" bit still just feels...it's weird. It's a weird conclusion to pull out.
and his play concerning thrawn. Again, just like the way he was pushing me, he's very involved with thrawn at one point - + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: @Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: ##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant. @Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog. @Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that?
First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players" Also could you be more specific with the accusations?
I am accusing you of sabotaging meaningful discussion by nit picking everyone's posts. I think you're doing this because people are voting for you and you're looking for ANYTHING that will get the spotlight off you. The problem isn't with 1 or 2 of your posts, it's most of them. How would you like me to be more specific?
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
Note his vote post. He wants to see what everyone else thinks. But he never does. He doesn't talk with ANYONE in the thread really after voting thrawn. See:
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations.
Anyways,
Sinensis makes this comment:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
"just making a note of it"
Wanna say anything further than that?
No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was:
On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:
On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?
Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it.
So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last.
He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this:
On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.
So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?
What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.
He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me.
##Unvote ##Vote Sinensis
What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place.
On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
Look at his posts. "I want to see what everyone else thinks." But what does he do after voting and making that comment? He responds to an SnB question and a ShiaoPi question (So we know he's reading thread at those 2 points, but not commenting on anything else or doing anything or trying to push his thrawn read/be at all involved in the thrawn lynch). I don't like how he's on me, then on thrawn, then just detached. Why does his play change? Why does he not push thrawn, or comment on any other thrawn case?
I really dislike the drop off in activity once he and the failure to follow-up with anything. He also contributed a decent amount early, but kept it really focused - hounding me or hounding thrawn. Some comments elsewhere, but while he responds to some questions, he doesn't really seem to be doing too much looking at others. Looking back through, Sinensis would maybe be at the top of my preferred lynch candidates for tomorrow.
Phagga - Giving a cursory read here, see comments yesterday. ShiaoPi and Bluelightz have some good points. Blah blah. Interesting, but not necessarily scummy, is his response to iamperfection's deadline question during the night. iamperfection asks for phagga's thinking in detail towards the end of the day, especially when I'm asking about him with 5 minutes to go. What does phagga post? This enormous wall of text discussing his read throughout the entire day, his thought process on all sorts of people, concerns about a no lynch, etc. It felt kind of out of place, like he was asked the question, but was worried about being scrutinized and voted for, so he responded to a bunch of questions or concerns that weren't being raised.
iamperfection - Look at his filter. It's chock full of one liners, of single questions that he never follows up on. Needs to be compared against past play, but there are SO MANY one liners and dangling questions. There are very few full, original thoughts. His thrawn vote was...I guess people vote sometimes of single things they find scummy, but it felt like something that a townie would do in a rush, then later change his vote or explain his vote further. I overreacted, found that thing you did scummy, but this other guy is entirely scummy OR I overreacted and voted you for x, but then I went through your filter and, you know what, I like my vote because of x, y, z. He just NEVER gives much out in the way of thoughts, never follows up the questions he asks, I really don't love this filter.
D2 my strongest candidates right now would be imperfection and sinensis I think, as odd as that sounds given my concerns about phagga yesterday and my vote on him. I need to look him back over a little closer with thrawn green, but I don't have a town read, just...iamperfection and sinensis's filters don't look great.
Most of my reads are WEAK this game though because there's so little to go on.
If I die, please consider these thoughts. If I die, MAKE SURE that the following things get repeatedly brought up, explained, scrutinized, whatever:
Sinensis's weird "unfairly accused" comment
SnB's lack of followup
iamperfection's tiny posts and lack of followup
ANYONE who offhand said they had a townread on someone (iamperfection had this offhand comment on me, a couple people commented that they had townreads on ottox or thrawn without backing those up). Track those posts down, remember them.
If I'm not around tomorrow, there should be some contribution exercises. Everyone should list 3 people they find scummy. Seen Chezinu do that in a few threads and it seems like a good way to get some reads out and to make everyone THINK and to make everyone do so without tunneling a single player. Game is so small that there's no need to tunnel hard, everyone can read the entire thread and everyone should be noticing things out of the corner of their eyes. Something like...top 3 people you find scummy, one post that you find VERY TOWNIE from anyone, one post that you find VERY SCUMMY from anyone, and reasons why. We have 72-hour days. Someone should enforce this, really make it happen. It sounds dumb, you may think it's dumb, but we really need participation from all corners.
Nick Plott looks around nervously. He's sitting in a meeting room at the studio, where his old friend Kim Sung Je has asked to meet him. Given then darkness that looms over everyone, he is anxious. Dan Stemkoski is at physical rehabilitation, so he's alone in his search for the truth, and for clues, until he returns. It's not easy, and he's worried, for himself, and for everything that esports ever stood for. When all is said and done, Nick feels out of his depth. But that's never stopped him before, and it won't stop him now.
Kim Sung Je said he'd found a way to fight off the cheese. Dan had almost discovered it himself, which is why he was still alive-- but if it was perfected, perhaps everyone could be safe. It was a method, a way of thinking, a mindset that allowed you to fight it. With this in your hands you couldn't truly save yourself, but you could make those around you safe, and if enough people learned it they would all be safe.
He wouldn't be able to cure Dan, but he be damned if he let those fuckers get at his friend and co-worker again. Tastosis was not meant to be broken up, ever. For some time, the BW progamer turned caster sat back and contemplated his career, his life, and his friends. Like everything else, they had been pushed to the limited by this series of attacks. He was a smart guy, though, and he'd find a way. He always did. His brother Sean was doing well enough on his webshow, perhaps something like that would be more up his alley in the future...
Minutes passed, and soon half an hour had. Nick frowned. It wasn't like HopeTorture to be late to a meeting. With a bit of nervousness, he stepped outside the meeting room and walked down the hall, looking for his friend.
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It turned out others found the progamer first. Beaten to a pulp and drowning beneath a sea of cheese curds, grease, and salt, he was barely able to move, or even breathe. Tasteless helped them carry the man to the ambulance, weight down by a great sorrow. He was so close to finding a way to fight the cheese, and he had been cheesed. Who was next? How could they fight this? Perhaps there was no hope after all...
Time dragged on nonetheless, and soon the young man found himself in the casting seat once again next to Artosis. Word spread across the internet again, somberly but quickly. Threads on teamliquid.net popped up speculating vast conspiracy theories and were shot down by the moderators. But the top-upvoted thread on reddit spoke of the possibility of Mr Chae's death being faked as an effort to kill esports. The Sc2 community was tearing itself apart.
austinmcc as Kim Sung Je the HopeTorture has been cheesed into a coma!
Welcome to Day 2! This Day ends in ~72 hours at Tuesday, Oct 02 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
guys i think the best way for me to prove my innocence is to simply go forward and hunt scum Austincc was right my day 1 actions were not very good. The truth is i thought i found scum and i got lazy that is the truth but its in the past and i cant change what i did. When i saw that comment that thrawn made i thought it was just like the comment that zeph made in my last game where he was sk. It was stupid of me and i got tunnel vision.
Now to move forward and find scum. Sinesis and Strongandbig have both gone mia. Now it is possible, and it seems like sinensis is back now possibly?, that they had IRL reasons for drops in activity. However there is no town motivation in it what so ever
I want to hear from both of them more going forward.
Also I want to hear more from phagga
He did a good job explaining his thought process leading up to the final moments but i am more intrested in hearing what he thought after i announce my presence.
I will try to answer any questions you guys ask of me but i would rather move forward with a better day2 and try and find scum.
As of right now i would say Sinesis and strongandbig are tied for my top scumread with phagga in a somewhat distant 2nd.
Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about:
On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said?
okay I am up again time to get things rolling. GG austin
With austin's flip we have some more information regarding the setup. If anyone has been roleblocked this night, claim please, like immediately. The setups are already narrowed down to 2 of the possible ones, while it may be a bit futile to discuss too much setup, it helps to know the exact one. If there is no roleblock I think we can assume the boxer/doc setup.
Now towards the stuff I said just before. Phagga has been looking better in my opinion because of his long explanatory posts. At first they looked incredibly out of character but as he seems to be consistent within them, I am kind of backing down a bit on him now. Looking at the replacement thread it seems as if SnB is going to be replaced, as soon as the replacement is in game please give out reads and thoughts as soon as possible since SnB's lack of activity hurts the ability to read him.
@Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
towards your scumread on austin you just spewed out...here for reference again: + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about:
On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said?
Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis
@Iamperfection: you say your best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Then fucking do so instead of saying "wow those mia guys are bad --->scum". I would be interested in why you think sinensis is scum, also flesh out your thoughts on SnB pleae instead of just saying he ain't around.
On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about:
On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said?
why do i have to mention u day one to think your scum..........................?
and i didnt change my mind on phaga i said iwanted to hear more from him about the final moments.
On September 30 2012 12:26 ShiaoPi wrote: okay I am up again time to get things rolling. GG austin
With austin's flip we have some more information regarding the setup. If anyone has been roleblocked this night, claim please, like immediately. The setups are already narrowed down to 2 of the possible ones, while it may be a bit futile to discuss too much setup, it helps to know the exact one. If there is no roleblock I think we can assume the boxer/doc setup.
Now towards the stuff I said just before. Phagga has been looking better in my opinion because of his long explanatory posts. At first they looked incredibly out of character but as he seems to be consistent within them, I am kind of backing down a bit on him now. Looking at the replacement thread it seems as if SnB is going to be replaced, as soon as the replacement is in game please give out reads and thoughts as soon as possible since SnB's lack of activity hurts the ability to read him.
@Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
towards your scumread on austin you just spewed out...here for reference again: + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about:
On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said?
Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis
@Iamperfection: you say your best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Then fucking do so instead of saying "wow those mia guys are bad --->scum". I would be interested in why you think sinensis is scum, also flesh out your thoughts on SnB pleae instead of just saying he ain't around.
thats a nice catch he had a break down in logic there. i agree that he is most likely to flip scum. ## Vote Sinesis I have to think on strongandbig more there isnt much to go on but i did find this
On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again. I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that" Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense. So fos for that on Otto.
But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent.
In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you.
So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn.
This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point.
So I think we should lunch thrawn.
I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it.
So##vote: thrawn2112
At the time there was quite a bit time left (over 4 hours) maybe he thought it was an actual concern but it didn't really cross my mind until much later. To me it seems like he is almost softening the blow for a thrawn mis lynch but we kind of need to hear more from him.
On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time.
Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later.
Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
@iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that?
@Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
and though i responded to this earlier i would like to know what you mean by active but not in discussion please.
@ShiaoPi: Yes, I almost definitely would have voted austinmcc at the start of today IF thrawn hadn't flipped town. He switched his vote at the last second and it would have looked scummy. You're making an awful big deal out of something I said hypothetically.
@Bluelightz: What do you think of phagga's recent wall of text post?
@iamp: in those last 5 mins I was not thinking much. I was aware that you could hammer me, but it had no further influence on my thoughts and actions. Besides that was something that could have happened the whole time already. I was just sitting there refreshing the page every 20 or so seconds, waiting forsomething new to happen. When nothing seemed to come, I got a bit impatient and voted, as I felt that nothing new would happen anyway.
I was surprised to see that it was only us 4 who were online. It was clear that blue and shiao would not be there, but expected more of the rest to be there.
@Shiao i disagree wirh your case on Sinensis, as I thought too it was scummy how Austin suddenly switched and tried to push Thrawn into voting me. I even talked to austin about it. Had austin not died at night, I would have taken a closer look at him again.
On September 30 2012 17:00 Bluelightz wrote: I'm thinking of whacking phagga in the face or looking carefully at the thrawn voters.
Why?
Your last read on thrawn before the last hours of day 1
On September 28 2012 01:36 phagga wrote: Eh, no? I was talking generally, not about thrawn specifically. I agree that thrawn does not look scummy, i just think the reason you gave is bad.
The more I think about it the more I dislike the logic from phagga (I think it was phagga) when he said that Otto was scum for not wanting to die.
I also think sinensis looks a little suspicious on review. I didn't really think critically about his assertion that Otto was getting upset over being voted unfairly but now reading ottos filter I don't think that was supported very well.
I'm going to have to reread this thread. There should be time for that today.
Oh wait - discussion question - do we cut phagga some slack for the fact that it took so long for thrawn to get hammered? I feel like its very risky for scum to let one of their members get to l-1 like that and that if he was scum then thrawn would have been hammered sooner - unless both scum were already on thrawn.
On September 30 2012 22:33 strongandbig wrote: Hi I'm back sorry
The more I think about it the more I dislike the logic from phagga (I think it was phagga) when he said that Otto was scum for not wanting to die.
I also think sinensis looks a little suspicious on review. I didn't really think critically about his assertion that Otto was getting upset over being voted unfairly but now reading ottos filter I don't think that was supported very well.
I'm going to have to reread this thread. There should be time for that today.
I don't know why you keep bringing up what I said about Ottox I have already explained what I was trying to say. Everyone who was suspicious of him initially dropped their suspicions because of the way he didn't defend himself early on e.g. against thrawn. That's more or less how thrawn became a lynch candidate.
Do you remember this?
On September 28 2012 05:34 Ottoxlol wrote: So you see, then I wasnt entirely clear with my defense, its not about "why didnt you guys choose someone else, don't kill me", its more about TELL ME why did you choose me over the others.
On September 30 2012 22:35 strongandbig wrote: Oh wait - discussion question - do we cut phagga some slack for the fact that it took so long for thrawn to get hammered? I feel like its very risky for scum to let one of their members get to l-1 like that and that if he was scum then thrawn would have been hammered sooner - unless both scum were already on thrawn.
why dont you share with the class what you think........
I think he outlined what he was thinking in quite a lot of detail and i'm inclined to thin it would be very difficult for him to come up with that if he were scum.
I am Boxer. We are playing in a setup without roleblocker. After our medics death I needed some time to figure out every possible situation for me, and decided that now is the best time to claim.
Claiming FAQ: Question: Why did you not claim yesterday when you were in danger of being lynched? Answer: Because that claim at that time would not helped at all. To confirm me, a possible blue role or the other boxer would have had to claim to proof that I'm not fakeclaiming. I did not want the other blue/boxer to reveal himself on D1, I'd rather be mislynched.
Question: Why did you not wait until Lylo? Answer: At lylo, scum can fakeclaim making it possible for town to mislynch the person who rightfully claims Boxer and lose the game. Remember, boxers don't have any night actions to speak for themself, so their word is all you got.
Question: Any Breadcrumbs? Answer: No. Even if I had breadcrumb, it would have been useless in this setup. Scum knew from the beginning that there was a boxer in this setup, and they could have posted a fake breadcrumb on D1 to support their fakeclaim later. (I actually tried to come up with a clever way to breadcrumb "Lim Yo Hwan" into one of my posts, but it was too much of a hassle, so i let it be.)
Question: So, what's next? Answer: Well, let's see if someone wants to counterclaim, although I doubt it. In any case, I will have a harder look at ShiaoPi and iamperfection, which I have not really checked out so far, and be hopefully back in the next ~8 hours with some more comments on possible scum reads.
i rly dont have time to read the whole thread atm, but if someone else counterclaim, lynch him or phagga first then the other, if no one that would make phagga confirmed town if I am right
On October 01 2012 06:40 Ottoxlol wrote: i rly dont have time to read the whole thread atm, but if someone else counterclaim, lynch him or phagga first then the other, if no one that would make phagga confirmed town if I am right
Is that really all you have to say? The obvious...
What do you think of the case on Sinesis? Do you have any strong reads right now? I asked you questions before can you answer them please.
@Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
towards your scumread on austin you just spewed out...here for reference again: + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about:
On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said?
Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis
I don't really get this. Why would Austin have had to be bussing to make Sinensis' read work, and why do you think Austins case on Thrawn (which was never followed up by vote, since that would have hammered thrawn) can not be seen as an attempt for a (theoretical) scum austin to buss his teammate? @iamperfection
On September 30 2012 12:26 ShiaoPi wrote: okay I am up again time to get things rolling. GG austin
With austin's flip we have some more information regarding the setup. If anyone has been roleblocked this night, claim please, like immediately. The setups are already narrowed down to 2 of the possible ones, while it may be a bit futile to discuss too much setup, it helps to know the exact one. If there is no roleblock I think we can assume the boxer/doc setup.
Now towards the stuff I said just before. Phagga has been looking better in my opinion because of his long explanatory posts. At first they looked incredibly out of character but as he seems to be consistent within them, I am kind of backing down a bit on him now. Looking at the replacement thread it seems as if SnB is going to be replaced, as soon as the replacement is in game please give out reads and thoughts as soon as possible since SnB's lack of activity hurts the ability to read him.
@Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
towards your scumread on austin you just spewed out...here for reference again: + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about:
On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said?
Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis
@Iamperfection: you say your best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Then fucking do so instead of saying "wow those mia guys are bad --->scum". I would be interested in why you think sinensis is scum, also flesh out your thoughts on SnB pleae instead of just saying he ain't around.
thats a nice catch he had a break down in logic there. i agree that he is most likely to flip scum. ## Vote Sinesis
Explain me the break down in logic, please. Perhaps I am just having a bad day, but I don't see it right now.
okay I was quite busy over the weekend, mid-autumn festival here. Let's get some stuff out:
@phagga: for now I am inclined to believe his claim, if he does not end up dead next night I'll be seriously doubting him. also in regards to sinensis and how his entire logic crumbled.
Austin would have had to be bussing for sinensis' read to work. Since he had a scumteam of austin/thrawn in mind. That obviously means that austin would have been bussing thrawn (even without a vote he was heavily inclined to lynch thrawn after I brought up phagga as target). Austin was not voting since he said he wanted as much discussion as possible, I also believe that it was quite obvious that he was town-aligned, played several games with austin already and that was like textbook town-austin. Therefore I am really having trouble to see him being read as scum by anybody. Onto the breakdown in logic.
The first quote quite clearly states that Sinensis never had austin as scumread, in the 2nd one he would have been top priority lynch suddenly. This simply does not add up.
@SnB: Who would you want to lynch? I am having trouble establishing a read on you as well, because of lack of activity, you do remind me of LVIII though, where you flipped scum. Pleae start contributing more.
Also bluelightz, ottox and phagga: Who do you want to lynch? Get active guys!
@ShiaoPi: You're still making a huge deal out of something I said hypothetically. If thrawn2112 had flipped scum, which he didn't so it doesn't it even matter, austinmcc switching votes at the last minute would have looked scummy. That's the last time I'm saying that. You've been so persistent about this completely negligible point I am questioning your motives.
EBWOP I mean you've contributed nothing. You just copied two things I wrote out of context and claimed I had a "breakdown in logic." I would ask you to elaborate but i'm quicker to just question your motives at this point.
@Sinensis: I am making a huge deal out of the fact that what you posted day 1 and what you posted this day do not add up. It's clearly contradictory to say at first that the case on austin was only to get discussion and then to switch it around to have him as high scum read after he flips. It is a breakdown in logic. You have not left any hint of your suspicions on austin during day 1 and then he would have been a priority day 2?
Also in regards to austins switch. It was not having any effect in regards to the lynch. take a look at this votecount:
On September 29 2012 05:25 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count!
Day ends in 34 minutes on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
It was obvious that phagga would not get lynched. There is no reason for a hypothetical scum-austin to switch onto phagga since the hammervote would still remain with phagga and he would obviously not lynch himself. I saw the switch much more as an means to get more discussion going. From the moment where only austin and phagga had not voted it was clear that phagga was not going to die this cycle. It would have been incredibly stupid as a scum-austin to bank on the possibility of someone else than phagga switching his vote and go all-in in order to save a hypothetical scum-thrawn. I know that it is WIFOMy but still the point remains that the chance of phagga getting lynched at the point of the switch were close to 0.
Seeing you now questioning my motives seems funny to me, since I know I am town (herpa derpa). So no, my vote will not move for now.
Where the fuck is everyone else btw? Can anyone give some more reads/thoughts out?
On October 01 2012 22:13 ShiaoPi wrote: @Sinensis: I am making a huge deal out of the fact that what you posted day 1 and what you posted this day do not add up. It's clearly contradictory to say at first that the case on austin was only to get discussion and then to switch it around to have him as high scum read after he flips. It is a breakdown in logic. You have not left any hint of your suspicions on austin during day 1 and then he would have been a priority day 2?
Also in regards to austins switch. It was not having any effect in regards to the lynch. take a look at this votecount:
Day ends in 34 minutes on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
It was obvious that phagga would not get lynched. There is no reason for a hypothetical scum-austin to switch onto phagga since the hammervote would still remain with phagga and he would obviously not lynch himself. I saw the switch much more as an means to get more discussion going. From the moment where only austin and phagga had not voted it was clear that phagga was not going to die this cycle. It would have been incredibly stupid as a scum-austin to bank on the possibility of someone else than phagga switching his vote and go all-in in order to save a hypothetical scum-thrawn. I know that it is WIFOMy but still the point remains that the chance of phagga getting lynched at the point of the switch were close to 0.
Seeing you now questioning my motives seems funny to me, since I know I am town (herpa derpa). So no, my vote will not move for now.
Where the fuck is everyone else btw? Can anyone give some more reads/thoughts out?
anyone on the thrawn wagon could have switched their vote but i think were wasting time discussing the hypothetical crap.
What do you think of these guys such as bluelightz ottoxol, and strongandbig that haven't really said anything on day 2? Ottoxol takes my interest in particular he got himself in a little heat on day 1 through some of the things he said and now has decided to say nothing at all.
That's the point with those 3 they are basically all lurkers for the purposes of today. I already said that I think ottox looks townish to me (at least he did day 1) but his absence is annoying. bluelightz is more or less a null-read right now. There is not much to make off and I am trying to get some answers from him (see my last post) in order to get a read on him. I also already voiced some concern on SnB, but with the general inactivity-fest this has become he (sadly) does not stand out....
On October 01 2012 22:32 ShiaoPi wrote: That's the point with those 3 they are basically all lurkers for the purposes of today. I already said that I think ottox looks townish to me (at least he did day 1) but his absence is annoying. bluelightz is more or less a null-read right now. There is not much to make off and I am trying to get some answers from him (see my last post) in order to get a read on him. I also already voiced some concern on SnB, but with the general inactivity-fest this has become he (sadly) does not stand out....
Ottoxol actually stands out to me because he was fairly active day 1 and got heat for it. Now hes hiding i think he could be scum because he is afraid to put his neck back out there.
On October 01 2012 22:38 ShiaoPi wrote: So you would be willing to let Sinensis go off the hook now?
not neccesarily but we have to do something to spurn more activity from that group. Unless your scum with sinensis and if that were true i would say gg wp.
haha, I am town :> But I doubt we could get them active by voting them...we had a blue flip in the night and a blue claim by day but still nobody is here, kind of depressing...
On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote: @austin
On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time.
Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later.
Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
@iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that?
@Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
and though i responded to this earlier i would like to know what you mean by active but not in discussion please.
I mean the thread was discussing phagga lynch and you didn't talk about it at all, I find it very strange that one would not tell his thoughts as town.
I don't feel like the case on Sinensis has any real points, his useless wifoming can be something to derail this awesomely active mafia game but idk, my gut says its nothing. I don't see where his logic failed (btw, I pinned austin as scummy too, this was only one of his scummy posts, I already posted N1 my suspicion on him.)
Iamperfection, you announced that you will start hunting scum, that you are suspicious of the 2 lurkers and phagga but did not provide anything why. After that Sinensis comes around with this useless "I would have voted austin if he's alive and thrawn is scum" and you vote him, even when I feel like your fos on SnB is much more viable. This is the post I am referring to
On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again. I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that" Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense. So fos for that on Otto.
But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent.
In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you.
So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn.
This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point.
So I think we should lunch thrawn. I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it.
So ##vote: thrawn2112
Its very strange he mentions this nolynch thing, no one talked about that and there was 4 voted on thrawn at that moment.
I really would like to get this thread active and I don't see any other way then to start lynching lurkers. If they care at all they can come back before hammering. SnB not just lurks but posted this strange nolynch thingy. My concern with Bluelightz is that he did not try to psh for phagga even tho he had a townread on thrawn, his case on phagga was very weak, he don't pursue his other scumread Sinensis at all.
On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote: @austin
On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time.
Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later.
Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
@iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that?
@Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
and though i responded to this earlier i would like to know what you mean by active but not in discussion please.
I mean the thread was discussing phagga lynch and you didn't talk about it at all, I find it very strange that one would not tell his thoughts as town.
I don't feel like the case on Sinensis has any real points, his useless wifoming can be something to derail this awesomely active mafia game but idk, my gut says its nothing. I don't see where his logic failed (btw, I pinned austin as scummy too, this was only one of his scummy posts, I already posted N1 my suspicion on him.)
Iamperfection, you announced that you will start hunting scum, that you are suspicious of the 2 lurkers and phagga but did not provide anything why. After that Sinensis comes around with this useless "I would have voted austin if he's alive and thrawn is scum" and you vote him, even when I feel like your fos on SnB is much more viable. This is the post I am referring to
On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again. I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that" Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense. So fos for that on Otto.
But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent.
In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you.
So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn.
This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point.
So I think we should lunch thrawn. I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it.
So ##vote: thrawn2112
Its very strange he mentions this nolynch thing, no one talked about that and there was 4 voted on thrawn at that moment.
I really would like to get this thread active and I don't see any other way then to start lynching lurkers. If they care at all they can come back before hammering. SnB not just lurks but posted this strange nolynch thingy. My concern with Bluelightz is that he did not try to psh for phagga even tho he had a townread on thrawn, his case on phagga was very weak, he don't pursue his other scumread Sinensis at all.
##Vote: Bluelightz
I did not try push for phagga: Oh dude he just claimed BoxeR! I had a townread on thrawn and didn't defend him:
On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote: Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this.
On September 28 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote: I think thrawn is town, no way scum would let him go like this.
what do you mean elaborate please?
I meant that, from a scum perspective, yes scum would defend his or herself, but not in the way he is defending: being active and open. thrawn continues to propose alternative lynches, which in a way provide information to the discussion, and continues to defend himself actively. Also, I don't think all his defenses/alternative lynch proposals are from collaborations (with scumbuddies), but independent work.
I didn't pursue Sinensis: I wanted to lynch PHAGGA, pushing SINENSIS while pushing PHAGGA is not productive because it takes the spotlight away from PHAGGA (who I wanted to lynch).
@Bluelightz: I was talking about d1, n1 before the claim. Just because you have your vote on someone that means you leave your other scumreads alone? That is scummy as fuck. You didn't push phagga even, I was just wondering why didn't you try to pressure Sinensis to try hunt scum. Get information, ask him things etc. Just because I think we should lynch you right now that doesnt mean I won't pursue SnB to talk about his nolynch thing
@Shiaopi, iamperfection: what do you guys mean by that Sinensis logic is flawed? he posted the post of austin that made him change his mind from the first post you guys are linking
On October 02 2012 01:10 Ottoxlol wrote: @Bluelightz: I was talking about d1, n1 before the claim. Just because you have your vote on someone that means you leave your other scumreads alone? That is scummy as fuck. You didn't push phagga even, I was just wondering why didn't you try to pressure Sinensis to try hunt scum. Get information, ask him things etc. Just because I think we should lynch you right now that doesnt mean I won't pursue SnB to talk about his nolynch thing
@Shiaopi, iamperfection: what do you guys mean by that Sinensis logic is flawed? he posted the post of austin that made him change his mind from the first post you guys are linking
Okay let's look over why the fuck people voted thrawn, disregarding phagga because he claimed BoxeR and I believe that claim.
On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote: Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did.
## Vote Thrawn
On September 28 2012 08:34 Ottoxlol wrote: @SnB then I don't understand random lynch at all. I thought it is like we go to a random website roll 1-8 then put our votes in-> ofc scum wont do it properly so there is much less chance to lynch them
thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me:
On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote Ottoxlol
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? "
On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote: It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question
quote pls?
lol do you really not know what I'm talking about?
On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:30 Bluelightz wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
Then who will you vote for?
I will wait for him to post, then we will see
You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question.
I gave my full read on SnB, explained why I did not vote at the moment, the first bolded part is where he lies about it, the second and third he wrote in the same post! Don't let him get away with this please
##Vote thrawn2112
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again. I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that" Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense. So fos for that on Otto.
But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent.
In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you.
So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn.
This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point.
So I think we should lunch thrawn.
I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it.
So ##vote: thrawn2112
Out of them all, okay, I single out s&b, he has quite a lot of analysis behind his vote, miles better then the others. Let's move on to the other..... one liner reasons! cheers its one-liner christmas!.
Sinensis "That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks."
This is what I think of it
A(thrawn): Answer this question B(Sinensis): The questions have been answered by you OMG, some of them are sarcastic too! I'll never answer these questions and possibly provide information to town!
But, what does Sinensis do AFTER his vote? Oh, nothing! He doesn't help push his scum read, he doesn't make an attempt to look over thrawn, he doesn't make an attempt to give valuable information by way of scummy points to town.
iamP:
Besides his vote post, like Sinensis but some pushing to convince people to vote thrawn, he only says that thrawn is scummy BECAUSE he made "associative crap", he doesn't explain why "associative crap" is bad on day 1, he only says it is bad.
Last but not least, Ottox:
"I did this and that, he lied about this, dont let him get away", I feel this is a underwhelming explanation, because of the fact that LAL is not reliable because we have no facts (on day 1), he has nothing to base the supposed "lies" on (although the "lies" are about...... oh he did this, but thrawn said he did that). I don't think that's a scummy point (misinterpreting post's) because it's not like everybody understands what Ottox posted or what Ottox meant to post. Also, besides this, he doesn't push thrawn, AT ALL {Jumps in the wagon (I think) and sits back and let other's do the pushing}.
Conclusion, I am very sure that the last 2 scum are between Ottox, iamP, and Sinensis. But right now, my firmest read is on Ottox.
Not that I am worried, I just don't see how are those voting thrawn are more scummy. I would love that you look at everyone, phagga is town as well so those voters can be scum too.
On October 02 2012 01:15 Ottoxlol wrote: Not that I am worried, I just don't see how are those voting thrawn are more scummy. I would love that you look at everyone, phagga is town as well so those voters can be scum too.
.....
thrawn = dead town
phagga = BoxeR that hasn't been confirmed (but I believe his claim)
@ottox: Maybe I am biased since I had a early townread on austin and fail to see how others could have seen him as scum. Whatever sinensis still has to do anything this cycle beyond defending....
@bluelightz: Hmmm, there are some things you mention, which I will have to review myself. Will be commenting in the morning since I'll be heading to bed now.
On October 02 2012 01:10 Ottoxlol wrote: @Bluelightz: I was talking about d1, n1 before the claim. Just because you have your vote on someone that means you leave your other scumreads alone? That is scummy as fuck. You didn't push phagga even, I was just wondering why didn't you try to pressure Sinensis to try hunt scum. Get information, ask him things etc. Just because I think we should lynch you right now that doesnt mean I won't pursue SnB to talk about his nolynch thing
@Shiaopi, iamperfection: what do you guys mean by that Sinensis logic is flawed? he posted the post of austin that made him change his mind from the first post you guys are linking
@Ottox
did you push thrawn yourself?
My case on thrawn was perfect as far as I am concerned, he tried to lie to get me lynch and I got him in the process. If there someone else would have been near lynching I would have pushed with all my fury for thrawn because I was 1000% sure that there is no way a town would do that thrawn did with his case on me, his useless posts etc
So if you are sure about phagga being town then why don't you take a look at the phagga voters? Is it a scum tactic to vote for the guy getting lynched when 2 town is pinned against each other? No. They just vote on whoever they can make a case on, and I think your case was nothing, hence why you should die today
On October 02 2012 01:10 Ottoxlol wrote: @Bluelightz: I was talking about d1, n1 before the claim. Just because you have your vote on someone that means you leave your other scumreads alone? That is scummy as fuck. You didn't push phagga even, I was just wondering why didn't you try to pressure Sinensis to try hunt scum. Get information, ask him things etc. Just because I think we should lynch you right now that doesnt mean I won't pursue SnB to talk about his nolynch thing
@Shiaopi, iamperfection: what do you guys mean by that Sinensis logic is flawed? he posted the post of austin that made him change his mind from the first post you guys are linking
@Ottox
did you push thrawn yourself?
My case on thrawn was perfect as far as I am concerned, he tried to lie to get me lynch and I got him in the process. If there someone else would have been near lynching I would have pushed with all my fury for thrawn because I was 1000% sure that there is no way a town would do that thrawn did with his case on me, his useless posts etc
So if you are sure about phagga being town then why don't you take a look at the phagga voters? Is it a scum tactic to vote for the guy getting lynched when 2 town is pinned against each other? No. They just vote on whoever they can make a case on, and I think your case was nothing, hence why you should die today
Ottox, do you understand that you helped mislynch a town? Do you understand that mislynching townies is a bad thing and attracts attention?
On October 02 2012 01:10 Ottoxlol wrote: @Bluelightz: I was talking about d1, n1 before the claim. Just because you have your vote on someone that means you leave your other scumreads alone? That is scummy as fuck. You didn't push phagga even, I was just wondering why didn't you try to pressure Sinensis to try hunt scum. Get information, ask him things etc. Just because I think we should lynch you right now that doesnt mean I won't pursue SnB to talk about his nolynch thing
@Shiaopi, iamperfection: what do you guys mean by that Sinensis logic is flawed? he posted the post of austin that made him change his mind from the first post you guys are linking
@Ottox
did you push thrawn yourself?
My case on thrawn was perfect as far as I am concerned, he tried to lie to get me lynch and I got him in the process. If there someone else would have been near lynching I would have pushed with all my fury for thrawn because I was 1000% sure that there is no way a town would do that thrawn did with his case on me, his useless posts etc
So if you are sure about phagga being town then why don't you take a look at the phagga voters? Is it a scum tactic to vote for the guy getting lynched when 2 town is pinned against each other? No. They just vote on whoever they can make a case on, and I think your case was nothing, hence why you should die today
Which case good chap? The phagga case? Oh, I think it's perfect, also, I think your case is nothing, hence why you should die today.
Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you.
The difference that I pointed out that your case on phagga was that he post useless things, and nothing more meanwhile my case on thrawn had some substance with his other posts and his lies. Thats the difference between perfect case and a weak case
On October 02 2012 01:36 Ottoxlol wrote: Why are you avoiding my questions?
Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you.
On October 02 2012 01:15 Ottoxlol wrote: Not that I am worried, I just don't see how are those voting thrawn are more scummy. I would love that you look at everyone, phagga is town as well so those voters can be scum too.
.....
thrawn = dead town
phagga = BoxeR that hasn't been confirmed (but I believe his claim)
On October 02 2012 01:36 Ottoxlol wrote: Why are you avoiding my questions?
Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you.
I'm fixed on you/thrawn voters because you guys lynched a now dead town and we didn't. Oh, you blame the dead guy for being lynched? Did you make the slightest effort to rethink him? from your posts I gather that you made a case on thrawn answered questions and left the thread. I am fixed on you especially because you are especially worried for you lyfe and trying to direct pressure on others.
On October 02 2012 01:36 Ottoxlol wrote: Why are you avoiding my questions?
Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you.
I'm fixed on you/thrawn voters because you guys lynched a now dead town and we didn't. Oh, you blame the dead guy for being lynched? Did you make the slightest effort to rethink him? from your posts I gather that you made a case on thrawn answered questions and left the thread. I am fixed on you especially because you are especially worried for you lyfe and trying to direct pressure on others.
so do you think both scum were on the thrawn wagon?
I am having a hard time finding scum, I therefore tried the reverse approach. So there are some people that I see as town and others that I see as null, which finally leaves me with 3 names as possible scum:
- Sinensis: A gut read. I still do not agree with Shiaos case, but something is creeping me out on his posting style. As I am unable to find what that is, I will do a meta check on him.
- strongandbig: where is he? Although that does not necessarily make him scum.
- Ottoxlol: Again. Slightly. His exchange with Bluelightz is strange. Calling his own case perfect several times although it was wrong, seems very odd. Hey Ottox, here's a hint: A perfect case always catches scum.
I really want to get a better read on Sinensis, so that's where I will start
Lastly, sorry for the low activity, some serious stuff is going down IRL currently. Will elaborate once game is over.
On October 02 2012 08:16 phagga wrote: I am having a hard time finding scum, I therefore tried the reverse approach. So there are some people that I see as town and others that I see as null, which finally leaves me with 3 names as possible scum:
- Sinensis: A gut read. I still do not agree with Shiaos case, but something is creeping me out on his posting style. As I am unable to find what that is, I will do a meta check on him.
- strongandbig: where is he? Although that does not necessarily make him scum.
- Ottoxlol: Again. Slightly. His exchange with Bluelightz is strange. Calling his own case perfect several times although it was wrong, seems very odd. Hey Ottox, here's a hint: A perfect case always catches scum.
I really want to get a better read on Sinensis, so that's where I will start
Lastly, sorry for the low activity, some serious stuff is going down IRL currently. Will elaborate once game is over.
hey can you tell us want you want to do. I see no reason not to believe your claim and this shit is taking forever. Do you agree with what is being said on sinensis?
On October 02 2012 01:36 Ottoxlol wrote: Why are you avoiding my questions?
Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you.
I'm fixed on you/thrawn voters because you guys lynched a now dead town and we didn't. Oh, you blame the dead guy for being lynched? Did you make the slightest effort to rethink him? from your posts I gather that you made a case on thrawn answered questions and left the thread. I am fixed on you especially because you are especially worried for you lyfe and trying to direct pressure on others.
so do you think both scum were on the thrawn wagon?
..... I focus on thrawn voters =/= 2 scum are on thrawn, and I don't fucking know or give a fuck where the scum are.
bluelightz is difficult to read imo and my opinion of him is not set in stone at all, but he did at least take a stance and in this inactive town that's more than most did. I already said I do not agree with his case on you, his reluctance to check the people on phagga is kind of confusing, but I can see where he is arguing from.
I responded that I might be biased because I was pretty sure on my townread on austin and did the WIFOM I posted earlier. Now onto the other things, I already changed my mind about Sinensis earlier but I wanted to see if the thread kind of wakes up.
##unvote ##Vote: Iamperfection You might ask why. Here goes, come day 2 he says he will contribute more, what does he end up doing? calling out lurkers and sheeping the first vote that pops into the thread (mine on Sinensis). Other than that it is nothing and mostly useless. So I want to lynch him for lying and buddying up to me by sheeping my read on Sinensis.
On October 03 2012 00:56 ShiaoPi wrote: bluelightz is difficult to read imo and my opinion of him is not set in stone at all, but he did at least take a stance and in this inactive town that's more than most did. I already said I do not agree with his case on you, his reluctance to check the people on phagga is kind of confusing, but I can see where he is arguing from.
I responded that I might be biased because I was pretty sure on my townread on austin and did the WIFOM I posted earlier. Now onto the other things, I already changed my mind about Sinensis earlier but I wanted to see if the thread kind of wakes up.
##unvote ##Vote: Iamperfection You might ask why. Here goes, come day 2 he says he will contribute more, what does he end up doing? calling out lurkers and sheeping the first vote that pops into the thread (mine on Sinensis). Other than that it is nothing and mostly useless. So I want to lynch him for lying and buddying up to me by sheeping my read on Sinensis.
What are your reasons for changing your mind on Sinensis?
On October 03 2012 01:04 ShiaoPi wrote: oh hai, you are here :D
It is mostly the way he responded to me. I still dislike how he vanished for now (we are fucking close to deadline) but I get a townie vibe from them.
by the way your so called case on me makes no sense basically everybody didn't contribute. I disagree on sinesis he had a logic break down and looks like scum not able to keep his story straight. You were the one that pointed it out and i dont buy his responses since then.
On October 03 2012 01:11 ShiaoPi wrote: Then give me some read besides Sinensis. Who is your 2nd highest scumread and why?
Strongandbig the no lynch thing struck me as so weird for when it came out considering we has some activity back then and he hasn't added anything to the discussion at all.
I really don't feel like playing anymore, nobody seems to be making an real effort anymore. so I'll be sleeping now, gonna miss the deadline as usual and I am parking my vote on SnB maybe he posts then?
The possibility of modkills, replacements or warnings will be resolved with the Night Post. I will not modkill players if it can reasonably avoided with replacements, but there will be consequences for violating activity and/or voting guidelines.
It was like four hours away. If no one had changed or switched it would have been bad and it was part of my own thought process in convincing myself to vote for thrawn.
I don't want to lynch Ottox. I dont like some of his explanations, but not enough to feel his scum. I feel Snb and sInensis are abusing the low activity the most. Also:
I dont like how snb has barely taken an Stances. Hes vote on thrawn is the only time he actually took a stannd somewhere, else he often writes about feelings and suspiciouns. Too unclear in his posts.
Sinensis is talking a lot about mechanics, even his first vote was because of a mechanic question. I can imagine voting him, specially after falling off the radar on D2, but would prefer snb.
I will not vote Bluelightz or iamp. I do not want a no lynch.
I don't know. The only reason I still think sinensis might be scum is I feel like he had extra info about ottoxlol's motivations but that only makes sense if ottoxlol is scum.
Engine and Kellymilkies sit down uneasily in the casting chairs. The Live Report threads and chat rooms flutter as people wonder about why Tastosis is missing. These guys don't usually cast the Code S Ro7, yet here they are, and the game goes on. With pool-hatch vs FFE on Shakuras, it's shaping up to be quite the macro game. A rare treat, and soon the uneasiness of the new casters fades into the background as the glory of the GSL flows over everyone.
Everyone, that is except Nick and Dan. The great heroes of esports are in the back of the GOMplex, in the upper stories that are used occasionally for storage or not at all. They already smell it though, already sense it. The cheese, grease and salt. Tasteless lifts the police barrier and slides under it, and helps Artosis through. The two carefully step over the chalk outlines, salty smears and piles of curds to get to the empty office-space.
HopeTorture's study is strewn with notes, with newspaper clippings, stock market prices of various cheese and food manufacturers. A yellow pad with the top page ripped off stands on the desk, and some words are barely visible. Seafood... power drawn... dissipate. Barely legible. The two casters gather up the pad and HopeTorture's Notes and make their way back towards the main studio.
"Whatever he found out, I hope he wrote it down here." Artosis says. "This might be our last hope. Sc2's last hope, even."
"I hope it doesn't come to that," Tasteless mutters. He pushes his friend's wheelchair as they ponder their next move. "We need to be ready for that eventuality anyways, though. We'll read this and figure out his secret, his way to fight the cheese, and we'll face the cheeser down ourselves. We can take him. With this, we'll be able to take him."
There's hope in his voice, the first hope in a long time-- hope for esports, hope for GOM, but most of all, hope for himself, and his own salvation.
strongandbig as ST_July the progamer has been eliminated!
It is now Night 2. The Night ends in 24 hours at Wednesday, Oct 03 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Make sure to get night actions into Blazinghand and Hapahauli by that time.
Sinensis has been force-replaced by kushm4sta violating the activity rules in the OP. Phagga has chosen to replace out, and will be replaced by ArtanisXp. strongandbig has been warned for violating the activity rules in the OP.
Please refrain from discussion modkills, bans, warnings and replacements until after the game is over.
Hey guys, from what I've gathered Phagga roleclaimed BoxeR and HopeTorture is already dead so that makes me confirmed town unless there's a counterclaim, yes? Excellent. Also probably means I'm going to die this night though so I can help you for all of 24 hours. If someone can get me up to speed that'd be great. I'll try and dig into the game a bit more tomorrow.
reading everything now. im like half way through and so far iamperfect seems pretty scummy...how his first post of signifance is to jump on something thrawn says. He blows the scumminess way out of proportion. It's like he's a lion, waiting for the slowest gazelle to shoe itself. Then he pounces.
just finished. @ottoxlol.. why would you vote bigandstrong there... like wtf. You say you hammered him because he voted for you for no reason. That reason is primarily omgus, which i am guilty of myself sometimes. But I would never let omgus dictate such a crucial vote that was the deciding factor in a lynch.
Also his vote for you was largely inconsequential, since it was only the second vote. It seems like you just wanted an easy target townie lynched.
He was inactive for 40 something hours, we are fine without him, he did not contribute at all. Nolynch would have been even worse (scum can kill more active townies at night then push for lynching him or any easy lynch targets at day). I was already thinking about voting him since no one supported my case on Bluelightz but I thought he will be modkilled. Then I checked back in the thread before deadline and saw he voted me without providing any reasoning so I hammered him.
@ottoxlol So right now do you have any more scumreads? Because your only scumread from this entire game that is still alive is bluelightz, and no one else suspects that guy (myself I remember 1 post that looked pretty town and haven't thought about him since)
iamperfection, he was rly scummy d1, he promised to improve, kind a tried but Shiaopi's case I can agree on, he's not just lacking activity, he's here in the thread a LOT but doesnt hunt scum only calling out lurkers and sheep the first case there is, just as he done d1.
kush/sinesiss- still scum. I dont see how someone goes from say that austin was starting to make sense and that my case is very weak against him and then switch into ya he would have been my lynch candidate today. It make zero sense and it looks like to me a scum that cant keep his story straight.
Bluelightz- I hope to god is town.
On October 02 2012 21:15 Bluelightz wrote: ..... I focus on thrawn voters =/= 2 scum are on thrawn, and I don't fucking know or give a fuck where the scum are.
This post screams to me frustrated townie. I dont know what bluelightz is pissed about but i dont think a scum player would say something this stupid.
phagga/whoever replaced him-boxer claim town
me town-herp derp
shaopi- One of the few people that have been open with what they are thinking. Very active I hope to god hes town if not gg wp.
Ottoxol- Seems to be fixated on me for some stupid reason i cant fathom. Says i dont contribute despite being active whatever the fuck that means. Doubts the sinesis case because he is soft defending who i think is his scum buddy.
I conclude that Ottoxol and sinessis/kush are the scum team.
Its put or shut up time fuckers get your asses in here for the next day.
I am actually pretty satisfied by ottoloxlol's answers. His vote change to bigandstrong makes sense considering he was trying to prevent a no lynch.
Right now my biggest scumread is iamperfect.
This is when he votes for sinessis:
On September 30 2012 13:18 iamperfection wrote: thats a nice catch he had a break down in logic there. i agree that he is most likely to flip scum. ## Vote Sinesis I have to think on strongandbig more there isnt much to go on but i did find this
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Could you sheep more than this? Before this he quotes a long shiaopi quote and this is all he has to say to justify his vote. nice catch, break down in logic, i agree I would expect more to support a vote, especially for someone you have never even talked about in the past, especially for a game in which votes hold so much weight.
Then he drops it completely for a half hearted suspicion and massive quote block of strongandbig.
On October 02 2012 01:36 Ottoxlol wrote: Why are you avoiding my questions?
Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you.
I'm fixed on you/thrawn voters because you guys lynched a now dead town and we didn't. Oh, you blame the dead guy for being lynched? Did you make the slightest effort to rethink him? from your posts I gather that you made a case on thrawn answered questions and left the thread. I am fixed on you especially because you are especially worried for you lyfe and trying to direct pressure on others.
so do you think both scum were on the thrawn wagon?
So iamperfect asks bluelightz this. The question itself seems a little odd. Don't see how what bluelightz said provokes this question. Anyway bluelightz responds, and this response is enough to convince iamperfect that bluelightz is town? From iamperfect's most recent post:
On October 02 2012 21:15 Bluelightz wrote: ..... I focus on thrawn voters =/= 2 scum are on thrawn, and I don't fucking know or give a fuck where the scum are.
This post screams to me frustrated townie. I dont know what bluelightz is pissed about but i dont think a scum player would say something this stupid.
Iamperfect asks a stupid question. Bluelightz gives you the only answer there is to your dumb question. The he says fuck twice. And somehow this one thing is all that you need to confirm bluelightz town? Scum can say fuck too.
hmm bluelightz you have to explain what was so scummy about it. He voted for an afk. He was trying to prevent a no lynch. Both seem like something both scum and town would do
Ottox says 'No one supported my Bluelightz case' But he didn't do a shit about convincing people, then he just flipped on SnB with no real case (at that time). Anyway, I still think Ottox is scummy and should die tommorow.
On October 03 2012 21:29 kushm4sta wrote: hmm bluelightz you have to explain what was so scummy about it. He voted for an afk. He was trying to prevent a no lynch. Both seem like something both scum and town would do
On October 03 2012 22:11 Bluelightz wrote: Ottox says 'No one supported my Bluelightz case' But he didn't do a shit about convincing people, then he just flipped on SnB with no real case (at that time). Anyway, I still think Ottox is scummy and should die tommorow.
Stop lying. I already explained why I hammered SnB. It was a good play if you are town. If you fail to understand the basic mechanics maybe you should try something less hard to play.
On October 03 2012 00:43 Ottoxlol wrote: I do.. I asked you Shiaopi what is wrong with Sinensis again, the post he did quote was scummy in my opinion so his logic is ok i think.
What do you make of Bluelightz? His case on me is one thing, but what do you think about his unwillingness to check those who voted phagga d1?
Everyone else was afk , waiting on you to answer what did you mean by only looking at thrawn voters or dissed my case with such ignorance I had no chance to lynch you. Thank god you started posting, I have so much more thing to work with )))
On October 03 2012 00:43 Ottoxlol wrote: I do.. I asked you Shiaopi what is wrong with Sinensis again, the post he did quote was scummy in my opinion so his logic is ok i think.
What do you make of Bluelightz? His case on me is one thing, but what do you think about his unwillingness to check those who voted phagga d1?
Stop lying , you did nothing else then ask for someone else's read on me (read: NOT CONVINCING LOL).
On October 03 2012 00:43 Ottoxlol wrote: I do.. I asked you Shiaopi what is wrong with Sinensis again, the post he did quote was scummy in my opinion so his logic is ok i think.
What do you make of Bluelightz? His case on me is one thing, but what do you think about his unwillingness to check those who voted phagga d1?
Stop lying , you did nothing else then ask for someone else's read on me (read: NOT CONVINCING LOL).
Thats pushing you nice and clever guy.
if you are trying to get me modkilled for insulting you are on the right track.
Although I feel like scum is not commenting on me and Bluelightz because he's posting very stupid things that I just can't let go, he's a very new player so omgus all game long so we are pinned against each other and they can win easily. I will want to lynch those who almost ignore our whole conversation: Shiaopi and iamperfection. They tried to bus Sinensis with bad logic together, no one else bite so there could be something to look into.
Ottox, I stated multiple times that you read as town to me and bluelightz as nullish-town. I don't know how you can state that as "ignroing" your whole conversation... Also there are 2 scum my friend, so if a hypothetical scum-me/scum-iamp bussed scum-sinensis something does not add up.
Are you now saying that you have a townread on sinensis? Or scumread? your wording is stupidly ambigious...
ignoring as not trying to convince us not to tear each other apart, tell me how can u ignore bluelightz posts? he is the worst player ive seen on tl and your comment is nullishtown? Hes lying, talking stupid etc.
I have nullread on him, I already said that your case on him was bad, that doesnt make him town.
On October 03 2012 23:01 Ottoxlol wrote: Although I feel like scum is not commenting on me and Bluelightz because he's posting very stupid things that I just can't let go, he's a very new player so omgus all game long so we are pinned against each other and they can win easily. I will want to lynch those who almost ignore our whole conversation: Shiaopi and iamperfection. They tried to bus Sinensis with bad logic together, no one else bite so there could be something to look into.
bluelightz has been around for what feels like ages, he is always the way he is in this game imo, hard to read regardless of alignment. therefore I am giving him a null.
also ottox, if you read is null on sinensis, how can I and Iamperfection "bus" him? You are not making sense
a lie? lol ottox how is that a lie if he posted it and meant it at that time. I wanted him to explain how he went from that post to a high-priority-scumread on austin in the span of a cycle. He explained I do not particularily like it. He still did nothing in terms of scumhunting, the only thing that was going for him was that the manner he continued to engage me with logic was rather townish. kush is at least doing scumhunting.
I don't know but something feels wrong about letting ShiaoPi just post 'Hey anyone care about the game?' ' Hey anyone here?' all the time without posting a ton of content.
Why do you keep saying my reason on sinesis/kush is bad?Sinesis couldnt keep his story straight and broke down in logic. he is scum and now im almost certain your the final scum with him.
Your delurk timing was just way to convenient and you now have been soft defending him basically all game. goodbye scum team you guys got close but
I do not like the way bluelightz is handling this mislynch.
@bluelightz You say you think there is NO CHANCE of ottox being town. Is it accurate to say that your certainty is based completely on his last minute vote change and inactivity?
His last minute vote change makes sense from a town perspective doesn't it? avoiding the mislynch. More than just him are guilty of inactivity. Why is it enough to make you certain of his alignment?
His latest wishy washy accusation of shiaopi. IMO shiaopi is the most town person aside from boxer. Thought out cases, coherent posts, and he promotes activity constantly. You are suddenly suspicious of him because he is trying to promote activity?? How is that a bad thing? And your reason is
On October 03 2012 23:37 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know but something feels wrong
Shiaopi has the most/best content. ##FOS Bluelightz
On October 04 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote: I do not like the way bluelightz is handling this mislynch.
@bluelightz You say you think there is NO CHANCE of ottox being town. Is it accurate to say that your certainty is based completely on his last minute vote change and inactivity?
His last minute vote change makes sense from a town perspective doesn't it? avoiding the mislynch. More than just him are guilty of inactivity. Why is it enough to make you certain of his alignment?
His latest wishy washy accusation of shiaopi. IMO shiaopi is the most town person aside from boxer. Thought out cases, coherent posts, and he promotes activity constantly. You are suddenly suspicious of him because he is trying to promote activity?? How is that a bad thing? And your reason is
On October 03 2012 23:37 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know but something feels wrong
Shiaopi has the most/best content. ##FOS Bluelightz
You say ShiaoPi has most/best content but what about yourself? did you even read his filter? Did it contain a lot of "Anyone here?" posts? Prove your point...
On October 04 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote: I do not like the way bluelightz is handling this mislynch.
@bluelightz You say you think there is NO CHANCE of ottox being town. Is it accurate to say that your certainty is based completely on his last minute vote change and inactivity?
His last minute vote change makes sense from a town perspective doesn't it? avoiding the mislynch. More than just him are guilty of inactivity. Why is it enough to make you certain of his alignment?
His latest wishy washy accusation of shiaopi. IMO shiaopi is the most town person aside from boxer. Thought out cases, coherent posts, and he promotes activity constantly. You are suddenly suspicious of him because he is trying to promote activity?? How is that a bad thing? And your reason is
On October 04 2012 00:27 kushm4sta wrote: I do not like the way bluelightz is handling this mislynch.
@bluelightz You say you think there is NO CHANCE of ottox being town. Is it accurate to say that your certainty is based completely on his last minute vote change and inactivity?
His last minute vote change makes sense from a town perspective doesn't it? avoiding the mislynch. More than just him are guilty of inactivity. Why is it enough to make you certain of his alignment?
His latest wishy washy accusation of shiaopi. IMO shiaopi is the most town person aside from boxer. Thought out cases, coherent posts, and he promotes activity constantly. You are suddenly suspicious of him because he is trying to promote activity?? How is that a bad thing? And your reason is
On October 03 2012 23:37 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know but something feels wrong
Shiaopi has the most/best content. ##FOS Bluelightz
Okay I am heading to bed soon, several things I want to get out now, in case I get shot.
If I do get shot or if artanis survives, lynch the shit out of him, there is no fucking way that scum will let confirmed townies survive. Also add that to the fact that neither phagga nor artanis have done any relevant scumhunting since claiming. Seriously if he did not claim I would have been all over him anyway....
Onto bluelightz. I have no fucking idea right now. His latest target seems to be me, after he tunneled ottox to oblivion. I obviously don't like it and while I had a townleaning nullread on him earlier it kind of is going down the drain at the moment. He could be scum but I really do not know.
@bluelightz: Please make a coherent case on me if you really believe me to be scum. Do not just point at me saying I am scum, without backing it up.
Sinensis/kush: Kush is doing so much more than sinensis did, so I am a happy for that, still I would say he is pretty much linked together with Ottox.
Ottox: Had a gutread of town on him earlier. It was just the general feel I got off his posting. What I do not like is how he is starting to discredit me and his post where he said that iamperfection and I were "bussing" sinensis makes no fucking sense. Also notice how he evaded answering my question based on the phrasing. Also his focus on bluelightz is worrying me. I kind of degraded him to nullish-scum now.
Iamperfection: The points I raised on him are still valid, sheeping when promising scumhunting etc. . His recent post of reads is making sense, but I am still wary--->nullish
What I want to do if I survive and Artanis gets shot: Lynch ottox, pray for red flip.
If Artanis survives he is most probably fakeclaiming scum, our cop should claim then to make sure we do not lynch wrongly, if he gets spared to give us a WIFOM-bomb to play around.
On October 04 2012 00:56 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay I am heading to bed soon, several things I want to get out now, in case I get shot.
If I do get shot or if artanis survives, lynch the shit out of him, there is no fucking way that scum will let confirmed townies survive. Also add that to the fact that neither phagga nor artanis have done any relevant scumhunting since claiming. Seriously if he did not claim I would have been all over him anyway....
Onto bluelightz. I have no fucking idea right now. His latest target seems to be me, after he tunneled ottox to oblivion. I obviously don't like it and while I had a townleaning nullread on him earlier it kind of is going down the drain at the moment. He could be scum but I really do not know.
@bluelightz: Please make a coherent case on me if you really believe me to be scum. Do not just point at me saying I am scum, without backing it up.
Sinensis/kush: Kush is doing so much more than sinensis did, so I am a happy for that, still I would say he is pretty much linked together with Ottox.
Ottox: Had a gutread of town on him earlier. It was just the general feel I got off his posting. What I do not like is how he is starting to discredit me and his post where he said that iamperfection and I were "bussing" sinensis makes no fucking sense. Also notice how he evaded answering my question based on the phrasing. Also his focus on bluelightz is worrying me. I kind of degraded him to nullish-scum now.
Iamperfection: The points I raised on him are still valid, sheeping when promising scumhunting etc. . His recent post of reads is making sense, but I am still wary--->nullish
What I want to do if I survive and Artanis gets shot: Lynch ottox, pray for red flip.
If Artanis survives he is most probably fakeclaiming scum, our cop should claim then to make sure we do not lynch wrongly, if he gets spared to give us a WIFOM-bomb to play around.
On September 30 2012 12:26 ShiaoPi wrote: okay I am up again time to get things rolling. GG austin
With austin's flip we have some more information regarding the setup. If anyone has been roleblocked this night, claim please, like immediately. The setups are already narrowed down to 2 of the possible ones, while it may be a bit futile to discuss too much setup, it helps to know the exact one. If there is no roleblock I think we can assume the boxer/doc setup.
Now towards the stuff I said just before. Phagga has been looking better in my opinion because of his long explanatory posts. At first they looked incredibly out of character but as he seems to be consistent within them, I am kind of backing down a bit on him now. Looking at the replacement thread it seems as if SnB is going to be replaced, as soon as the replacement is in game please give out reads and thoughts as soon as possible since SnB's lack of activity hurts the ability to read him.
@Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
towards your scumread on austin you just spewed out...here for reference again: + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about:
On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said?
Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis
@Iamperfection: you say your best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Then fucking do so instead of saying "wow those mia guys are bad --->scum". I would be interested in why you think sinensis is scum, also flesh out your thoughts on SnB pleae instead of just saying he ain't around.
brrr, nice change of heart on me, plays nicely into my previous theory that you and iamp trying to lynch me or Blue thats why you ignore our conversation
why would u wifom about artanis, if our cop didnt claim when he did he played REALLY bad, I mean he lost us an easy win.
@bluelightz OK I will try to clarify my thoughts on ottoxlol: More than just ottox is guilty of AFKing. You are guilty of it during certain parts of the game. So that's a null read as far as I'm concerned.
His last minute vote: null. I could definitely see town doing what he did. Time was almost up and he did it to prevent a no lynch. A no-lynch in those circumstances seems like it would have been pretty bad.
i already told you. his post was about a scummy post of austin. you made a case of OMG FAILED LOGIC by ignoring his quote but quoting an earlier post. it was a lie, you made a bad case, iamp jumped on it.
@Ottox: CAN YOU PLESE ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION??????
On October 03 2012 23:01 Ottoxlol wrote: Although I feel like scum is not commenting on me and Bluelightz because he's posting very stupid things that I just can't let go, he's a very new player so omgus all game long so we are pinned against each other and they can win easily. I will want to lynch those who almost ignore our whole conversation: Shiaopi and iamperfection. They tried to bus Sinensis with bad logic together, no one else bite so there could be something to look into.
I am asking what you meant by "bussing", first off there are only 2 scum, also that would have constituted 3 scumreads on iamp, sinensis and me. When you have been nullish on SInensis like forever and preferred to tunnel BL. What happened to your BL-read then?
On October 04 2012 01:04 kushm4sta wrote: @bluelightz OK I will try to clarify my thoughts on ottoxlol: More than just ottox is guilty of AFKing. You are guilty of it during certain parts of the game. So that's a null read as far as I'm concerned.
His last minute vote: null. I could definitely see town doing what he did. Time was almost up and he did it to prevent a no lynch. A no-lynch in those circumstances seems like it would have been pretty bad.
AFKing when I sleep is considered lurking I guess.
On October 04 2012 01:04 kushm4sta wrote: @bluelightz OK I will try to clarify my thoughts on ottoxlol: More than just ottox is guilty of AFKing. You are guilty of it during certain parts of the game. So that's a null read as far as I'm concerned.
His last minute vote: null. I could definitely see town doing what he did. Time was almost up and he did it to prevent a no lynch. A no-lynch in those circumstances seems like it would have been pretty bad.
I asked you about Bl, no one seems to care that he's not playing town, he won't be lynched because you guys ignore his lies, his general bad play, bad logic.
I found it strange that no one cares about my conversation with Bl thats why I started to focus less on him, but finding the other scum. That doesnt mean I have a townread on him lol
On October 04 2012 00:56 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay I am heading to bed soon, several things I want to get out now, in case I get shot.
If I do get shot or if artanis survives, lynch the shit out of him, there is no fucking way that scum will let confirmed townies survive. Also add that to the fact that neither phagga nor artanis have done any relevant scumhunting since claiming. Seriously if he did not claim I would have been all over him anyway....
Onto bluelightz. I have no fucking idea right now. His latest target seems to be me, after he tunneled ottox to oblivion. I obviously don't like it and while I had a townleaning nullread on him earlier it kind of is going down the drain at the moment. He could be scum but I really do not know.
@bluelightz: Please make a coherent case on me if you really believe me to be scum. Do not just point at me saying I am scum, without backing it up.
Sinensis/kush: Kush is doing so much more than sinensis did, so I am a happy for that, still I would say he is pretty much linked together with Ottox.
Ottox: Had a gutread of town on him earlier. It was just the general feel I got off his posting. What I do not like is how he is starting to discredit me and his post where he said that iamperfection and I were "bussing" sinensis makes no fucking sense. Also notice how he evaded answering my question based on the phrasing. Also his focus on bluelightz is worrying me. I kind of degraded him to nullish-scum now.
Iamperfection: The points I raised on him are still valid, sheeping when promising scumhunting etc. . His recent post of reads is making sense, but I am still wary--->nullish
What I want to do if I survive and Artanis gets shot: Lynch ottox, pray for red flip.
If Artanis survives he is most probably fakeclaiming scum, our cop should claim then to make sure we do not lynch wrongly, if he gets spared to give us a WIFOM-bomb to play around.
On September 30 2012 12:26 ShiaoPi wrote: okay I am up again time to get things rolling. GG austin
With austin's flip we have some more information regarding the setup. If anyone has been roleblocked this night, claim please, like immediately. The setups are already narrowed down to 2 of the possible ones, while it may be a bit futile to discuss too much setup, it helps to know the exact one. If there is no roleblock I think we can assume the boxer/doc setup.
Now towards the stuff I said just before. Phagga has been looking better in my opinion because of his long explanatory posts. At first they looked incredibly out of character but as he seems to be consistent within them, I am kind of backing down a bit on him now. Looking at the replacement thread it seems as if SnB is going to be replaced, as soon as the replacement is in game please give out reads and thoughts as soon as possible since SnB's lack of activity hurts the ability to read him.
@Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
towards your scumread on austin you just spewed out...here for reference again: + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about:
On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said?
Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis
@Iamperfection: you say your best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Then fucking do so instead of saying "wow those mia guys are bad --->scum". I would be interested in why you think sinensis is scum, also flesh out your thoughts on SnB pleae instead of just saying he ain't around.
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town.
As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum.
Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me.
##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol
On September 29 2012 01:12 Bluelightz wrote: @ShiaoPi My current scum read is primarily on Sinensis and phagga, explanations:
On Sinensis, I can see his reasoning before his thrawn vote, but his thrawn vote is what makes me think he's scum.
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
He bases his vote on responses, but the problem is he didn't show why thrawn's response is scummy (or explain his points on thrawn's response).
On phagga, I think he's scum because after he votes Ottox, he doesn't make any effort to convince others of Ottox's scumminess besides asking Sinensis on his stance on Ottox and clarifying why he thinks Ottox is scum, then what? He unvotes Ottox and doesn't post anything else.
Also I think he is scum because he keeps on dropping useless stuff here and there, comments near the bolded part.
You clearly shouldn't write posts when you're hungry. <--- WHAT USE IS THIS?
Also, I never said he is scum because he is afraid. I meant to say that he should not be afraid of getting lynched as town, because if you are town and play without fear, people will often recognize it and not lynch you.
The reason I voted him was more austins case and the fact that I feel that Ottoxlol is merely trying to blend in instead of helping town.
(in case you didn't notice yet, I'm they guy you're FOSing).
On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote: Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did.
## Vote Thrawn
You want that vote to count? Than you better write his name right. <----- Isn't he smart enough to notice? @thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet.
@austinmc, you have only been talking setup so far. Any thoughts on iamps vote on thrawn? Any thoughts on other players? @Ottoxlol, you just sound afraid to get lynched, which should not really be a problem when you're town. This post stands out:
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
When I compare this with your play in LVII where you furiously defended your idea although several people started to calling a vig on you, then you're behaviour this game seems off.
Oh, and while reading his filter, this is my weakest point,
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
This seems like overkill, because if you look at (my) post before, this is just the exactly same thing.
Final verdict:
I'm more confident of phagga flipping scum then Sinensis, who I have some doubts.
##Vote: phagga
On October 02 2012 01:14 Bluelightz wrote: Okay let's look over why the fuck people voted thrawn, disregarding phagga because he claimed BoxeR and I believe that claim.
On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote: Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did.
On September 28 2012 08:34 Ottoxlol wrote: @SnB then I don't understand random lynch at all. I thought it is like we go to a random website roll 1-8 then put our votes in-> ofc scum wont do it properly so there is much less chance to lynch them
My case on thrawn:
On September 28 2012 07:32 Ottoxlol wrote:
thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me:
On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote Ottoxlol
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? "
His response:
On September 28 2012 07:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 07:45 Ottoxlol wrote:
On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote: It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question
quote pls?
lol do you really not know what I'm talking about?
On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:30 Bluelightz wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
Then who will you vote for?
I will wait for him to post, then we will see
You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question.
I gave my full read on SnB, explained why I did not vote at the moment, the first bolded part is where he lies about it, the second and third he wrote in the same post! Don't let him get away with this please
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again. I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that" Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense. So fos for that on Otto.
But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent.
In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you.
So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn.
This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point.
So I think we should lunch thrawn.
I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it.
So ##vote: thrawn2112
Out of them all, okay, I single out s&b, he has quite a lot of analysis behind his vote, miles better then the others. Let's move on to the other..... one liner reasons! cheers its one-liner christmas!.
Sinensis "That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks."
This is what I think of it
A(thrawn): Answer this question B(Sinensis): The questions have been answered by you OMG, some of them are sarcastic too! I'll never answer these questions and possibly provide information to town!
But, what does Sinensis do AFTER his vote? Oh, nothing! He doesn't help push his scum read, he doesn't make an attempt to look over thrawn, he doesn't make an attempt to give valuable information by way of scummy points to town.
iamP:
Besides his vote post, like Sinensis but some pushing to convince people to vote thrawn, he only says that thrawn is scummy BECAUSE he made "associative crap", he doesn't explain why "associative crap" is bad on day 1, he only says it is bad.
Last but not least, Ottox:
"I did this and that, he lied about this, dont let him get away", I feel this is a underwhelming explanation, because of the fact that LAL is not reliable because we have no facts (on day 1), he has nothing to base the supposed "lies" on (although the "lies" are about...... oh he did this, but thrawn said he did that). I don't think that's a scummy point (misinterpreting post's) because it's not like everybody understands what Ottox posted or what Ottox meant to post. Also, besides this, he doesn't push thrawn, AT ALL {Jumps in the wagon (I think) and sits back and let other's do the pushing}.
Conclusion, I am very sure that the last 2 scum are between Ottox, iamP, and Sinensis. But right now, my firmest read is on Ottox.
On October 04 2012 01:04 kushm4sta wrote: @bluelightz OK I will try to clarify my thoughts on ottoxlol: More than just ottox is guilty of AFKing. You are guilty of it during certain parts of the game. So that's a null read as far as I'm concerned.
His last minute vote: null. I could definitely see town doing what he did. Time was almost up and he did it to prevent a no lynch. A no-lynch in those circumstances seems like it would have been pretty bad.
AFKing when I sleep is considered lurking I guess.
Oh, and Mafia is obviously more important than school.
What dodging? I already said 3 times. You made a bad case and iamp jumped on then you suspect him for jumping and voting with little to no real threat to him or you or sinensis at that moment.
On October 04 2012 01:17 Ottoxlol wrote: What dodging? I already said 3 times. You made a bad case and iamp jumped on then you suspect him for jumping and voting with little to no real threat to him or you or sinensis at that moment.
ShiaoPi: "Why do you think me and iamP are trying to bus Sinensis in your post???"
No, you are still circling around my question regarding how you came to 3 scumreads and what made all 3 of us scum to be bussing sinensis at that moment. Your wording directly contradicts your nullread on sinensis.
Also if you were not that focused on BL and if SnB cared we might have lynched sinensis, he had 2 votes for the most of the day
@bluelightz What exactly is the rest of your case against ottox? Getting on bandwagons but not pushing them? Last case you made was regarding thrawn. You said ottox got on the thrawn bandwagon but didn't push it. But he made a case, asked thrawn questions, and followed up when he thought answers weren't sufficient. That is in his post here:
@SnB then I don't understand random lynch at all. I thought it is like we go to a random website roll 1-8 then put our votes in-> ofc scum wont do it properly so there is much less chance to lynch them
thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me:
On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote Ottoxlol
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? "
On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote: It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question
quote pls?
lol do you really not know what I'm talking about?
On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:30 Bluelightz wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
Then who will you vote for?
I will wait for him to post, then we will see
You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question.
I gave my full read on SnB, explained why I did not vote at the moment, the first bolded part is where he lies about it, the second and third he wrote in the same post! Don't let him get away with this please
On October 04 2012 01:17 Ottoxlol wrote: What dodging? I already said 3 times. You made a bad case and iamp jumped on then you suspect him for jumping and voting with little to no real threat to him or you or sinensis at that moment.
ShiaoPi: "Why do you think me and iamP are trying to bus Sinensis in your post???"
Is that the question?
The question is why did he use the word bus, it implies 3 scumreads in the context and he said that sinensis is null earlier and still does btw.
obviously i didnt mean 3 scum :DD ok i can see what do you see in this, unfortunate wording. call it a scumslip and lynch me, im sure Bl would love to vote me so its gg, how could i have meant 3 scum?
On October 04 2012 01:20 kushm4sta wrote: ^yeah ottox answer this question please.
@bluelightz What exactly is the rest of your case against ottox? Getting on bandwagons but not pushing them? Last case you made was regarding thrawn. You said ottox got on the thrawn bandwagon but didn't push it. But he made a case, asked thrawn questions, and followed up when he thought answers weren't sufficient. That is in his post here:
@SnB then I don't understand random lynch at all. I thought it is like we go to a random website roll 1-8 then put our votes in-> ofc scum wont do it properly so there is much less chance to lynch them
thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me:
On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote Ottoxlol
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted
On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing.
Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? "
On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote: It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question
quote pls?
lol do you really not know what I'm talking about?
On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:30 Bluelightz wrote:
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation.
Then who will you vote for?
I will wait for him to post, then we will see
You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question.
I gave my full read on SnB, explained why I did not vote at the moment, the first bolded part is where he lies about it, the second and third he wrote in the same post! Don't let him get away with this please
##Vote thrawn2112
kushm4sta spouts crapton of points on why Ottox is townie.
kushm4sta fails to explain why said points are townie points.
Hmmmmm. I think this is why we should lynch iamP tommorow.
Firstly, on day 1, iamP votes thrawn, but does nothing to push thrawn ala "vote and let others do the work", bad because this gives less information to consider for town. Secondly, his points are (mostly) a crap bunch of some unexplained one-liners. Then, lastly his s&b vote:
On October 03 2012 05:38 iamperfection wrote: unvote Vote strongandbig anyone here? kill strongandbig he is still not making sense from my view.
On October 04 2012 01:25 Bluelightz wrote: Hmmmmmm.
After considering more points, I lift my decision of Ottox being not possibly town, to null. A kushm4sta and iamP team seems MUCH more reasonable.
what makes you think so?
I am losing faith on Ottox being scum and I believe you are town: result is them being left, as well as the post above (and that Artanis is BoxeR, hopefully.
@bluelightz Wait so there was NO WAY ottox could be town and you just dropped it like that? So after my sort of defense of him, which you said was bad anyway, that convinced you he wasn't scum?
On October 04 2012 01:30 kushm4sta wrote: @bluelightz Wait so there was NO WAY ottox could be town and you just dropped it like that? So after my sort of defense of him, which you said was bad anyway, that convinced you he wasn't scum?
How he has been acting, doesn't make sense from a scum point of view. (And no it wasn't your defense).
On October 04 2012 01:33 Bluelightz wrote: I advise all of you to reconsider iamP if you think he's a townie, or if you think is scum, add more reason's to the pool.
Here Bluelightz looks like he is trying to take credit for an iamp vote even though he is very late to the party. I think it is a bus.
On October 04 2012 01:33 Bluelightz wrote: I advise all of you to reconsider iamP if you think he's a townie, or if you think is scum, add more reason's to the pool.
Here Bluelightz looks like he is trying to take credit for an iamp vote even though he is very late to the party. I think it is a bus.
...... Where did people vote iamP the last day....?
On October 04 2012 01:33 Bluelightz wrote: I advise all of you to reconsider iamP if you think he's a townie, or if you think is scum, add more reason's to the pool.
Here Bluelightz looks like he is trying to take credit for an iamp vote even though he is very late to the party. I think it is a bus.
...... Where did people vote iamP the last day....?
Ah, I see, but a party you say? you mean yourself?
This is taking longer then I thought and I don't have that much time until night. If I stay alive even after night I might be able to give more detailed thoughts. First impression is that I like Bluelightz most and am wondering why Ottoxlol isn't dead.
Tasteless and Artosis carefully leave the crime scene in the rear of GOM's studio. The casting archon is tired, weary, and traumatized, but they have the clues they need. Back in their cubicles, they pore over HopeTorture's Documents, making the connections he did and making sense of his conclusions. Dan's Korean isn't perfect but with Google Translate and a bit of help from a couple friends they make good progress in decoding what the pro Terran was up to before he was snuffed. The clues, hints of food varieties, pirate servers for BW, secret societies, Sc2 clans, possible involvement by Riot-- it all makes no sense but hangs together so well it's unimaginable.
A day and a night pass, and progress is minimal. That morning, as Nick walks Dan to the metro for his physical therapy, he is struck with insight. "Wait... okay, I think I've got something. I've gotta take another look at HopeTorture's Documents again. I'll meet you when you get back, okay?"
Dan gives him a puzzled look. He replies, "Alright, Nick. Stay safe," and the two part ways.
Nick Plott pores over the files, makes the connection, and finds the secret. He's disheveled and tired, but he's found it: the way to fight cheese. He's exausted. He also needs a damn cigarette after all this excitement. He steps out into the alley and lights up, drawing the warm smoke into his lungs. Dan is always trying to get him to stop, saying these things will be the death of him. But what's a guy to do when he's got a tough job on his hands?
Nick's thoughts are interrupted by a squishing noise coming from the door into the building He spins around and sees the young Lee Jung-Hoon, smeared in dairy product and cream, take two steps towards him, let out a guttural cry of pain, and fall flat on his face. "BoxeR!" he yells, and suddenly hears the patter of footsteps running away down the hall inside the building. The cheeser, caught in the act.
Nick jumps over the young progamer, and sprints down the hall after the figure running away. "Stop! In the name of eSports!"
The cheeser does not stop, but there is no fear in Tasteless' heart as he chases down the man who did so much to hurt his love.
Artanis[Xp] as Lee Jung-Hoon the BoxeR has been cheesed!
Welcome to Day 3! This Day ends in ~72 hours at Saturday, Oct 06 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
On October 04 2012 01:29 Bluelightz wrote: Hmmmmm. I think this is why we should lynch iamP tommorow.
Firstly, on day 1, iamP votes thrawn, but does nothing to push thrawn ala "vote and let others do the work", bad because this gives less information to consider for town. Secondly, his points are (mostly) a crap bunch of some unexplained one-liners. Then, lastly his s&b vote:
Yeah I don't blame shiaopi for his wtf where is the activity posts. So I think the lynch candidates are iamperfect, bluelightz and ottox, am I correct?
How many are willing to vote iamperfect? me
Also, yeah no one vote until we can discuss who is going to be voted for. Because I'm sure that if just 1 person votes for town mafia can vote real quick and win the game.
On October 04 2012 13:46 kushm4sta wrote: Yeah I don't blame shiaopi for his wtf where is the activity posts. So I think the lynch candidates are iamperfect, bluelightz and ottox, am I correct?
How many are willing to vote iamperfect? me
Also, yeah no one vote until we can discuss who is going to be voted for. Because I'm sure that if just 1 person votes for town mafia can vote real quick and win the game.
quiet scum.
I have laid all my thoughts on the table and im pretty sure i have solved the game. The only thing of merit that has been said against me is that i was lazy day 1. Since then i have posted everything i think in my last few posts. dont let the mistake that i got lazy day 1 be the reason we lose we can still win this.
Okay, I can post right now, but tommorow I can only post w/ an iPad so don't expect any huge posts.
Firstly, if you didn't realize yet: DON'T VOTE yet. Scum can hammer immediately if you accidentaly vote a townie. Secondly, we must utilize the time we have to discuss and find the most suitable target.
Ah the scumteam emerges to post about nothing and revel in this town's inactivity.
On October 04 2012 22:11 iamperfection wrote: The only thing of merit that has been said against me is that i was lazy day 1. Since then i have posted everything i think in my last few posts. dont let the mistake that i got lazy day 1 be the reason we lose we can still win this.
"Don't let the mistake that I got lazy day 1 be the reason we lose...." That is a scum mistake. I would not classify that as a "mistake" as much of a choice or bad play for town.
"The only thing of merit that has been said against me is that i was lazy day 1." You are giantly misrepresenting the cases that have been brought against you. My recent case in 2 parts is regarding your more recent activity actually.
On October 05 2012 00:23 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, I can post right now, but tommorow I can only post w/ an iPad so don't expect any huge posts.
Firstly, if you didn't realize yet: DON'T VOTE yet. Scum can hammer immediately if you accidentaly vote a townie. Secondly, we must utilize the time we have to discuss and find the most suitable target.
People in indonesia can afford Ipads?? Is your dad like sheik or something? Anyway.. yeah don't vote, thanks for saying that a million times. I just said it, then you said it again?
Yes we must utilize the time we have left. Is that why you posted once, completely uselessly, and promose to be iPad afk tomorrow?
I would like to gently remind all players that the activity guidelines in the OP state you must post at least once every 36 hours or risk being modkilled.
haha so much for discussing I guess. Yeah i'm gonna vote since bluelightz already said he would. Also if he were town and scum was watching, we woudl have already lost by now. ##vote iamperfection
On October 05 2012 09:29 Ottoxlol wrote: Where is Shiaopi? He was the active one, its kind a strange he left at lylo. Iamp? You solved the game but you didn't vote? What kind of bs is that?
I think thats enough for me
##Vote: iamperfection
lol trying to keep your options open i see just in case this back fires. You know i didn't vote because of the off chance that i was wrong and the two scum could have swooped in and stolen this game.
On October 05 2012 09:48 kushm4sta wrote: haha so much for discussing I guess. Yeah i'm gonna vote since bluelightz already said he would. Also if he were town and scum was watching, we woudl have already lost by now. ##vote iamperfection
cool story i think your forgetting the fact that you are scum so it would be hard for both of you to swoop in.
@ottox I think it was quite stupid to vote because I would rather have the extra time for discussion. Even if iamp is scum, it would still help us find the other scum. But as soon as 1 person votes, that is basically the equivalent of everyone voting in this situation. If iamp was town we would lose by now unless scum are afk.
ottox I'm kind of ready to vote now actually... you convinced me. the thing is there is no activity in this thread. 3 of us want to vote iamperfection.
On October 05 2012 09:48 kushm4sta wrote: haha so much for discussing I guess. Yeah i'm gonna vote since bluelightz already said he would. Also if he were town and scum was watching, we woudl have already lost by now. ##vote iamperfection
What the fuck is that? How do he knows that I am town?
On October 05 2012 09:48 kushm4sta wrote: haha so much for discussing I guess. Yeah i'm gonna vote since bluelightz already said he would. Also if he were town and scum was watching, we woudl have already lost by now. ##vote iamperfection
What the fuck is that? How do he knows that I am town?
On October 05 2012 09:48 kushm4sta wrote: haha so much for discussing I guess. Yeah i'm gonna vote since bluelightz already said he would. Also if he were town and scum was watching, we woudl have already lost by now. ##vote iamperfection
What the fuck is that? How do he knows that I am town?
##vote kushm4sta
your not trying to trick me are you.....?
can you interpret that other then a scum slipping?
also why did he unvote instantly then said lets vote the same? why did he remove the vote then asked for the vote? wth
On October 05 2012 09:48 kushm4sta wrote: haha so much for discussing I guess. Yeah i'm gonna vote since bluelightz already said he would. Also if he were town and scum was watching, we woudl have already lost by now. ##vote iamperfection
What the fuck is that? How do he knows that I am town?
##vote kushm4sta
your not trying to trick me are you.....?
can you interpret that other then a scum slipping?
also why did he unvote instantly then said lets vote the same? why did he remove the vote then asked for the vote? wth
huh? i dont get what you are saying ottox. i think you may not understand the significance of voting for someone in this specific scenario. at least one of these must be true 1 there is scum among the afk (shiaopi and bluelightz) 2 either iamp or me is scum
okay I was busy yesterday and stuff. Also busy in liquid city right now but I am severely pissed at artanis, why bother replacing in if you do not contribute anyway...
@kush yes I was the first to mention it yesterday. I am confident in my vote, I think you slipped, then there was that unvote thing and this begging... iamp got 2 votes he attacked both of us. kushm4sta got 2 votes, he started begging since one of them is town the other is scum, what would a town do when there are two votes on him? on the chance that the votes are both from scum he tries to hunt them. you didnt do this, somehow you know I am town (again, wtf) instead started begging
The cheeser turns a corner, and as Tasteless follows, he barely has time to duck as a bolt of cheese goes flying at him. The cheeser extends his palm and fires another bolt, then another, and forces Nick back behind the corner, laughing maniacally. "You'll never stop me! Never!"
Pinned down, Nick looks around for a weapon. There-- the break room! He slides over, and finds what he's looking for: fish crackers. They're good enough, close enough to fish, the ultimate counter to cheese. Any decent chef will tell you that fish and cheese don't go well together, and that fish and dairy (with a few notable exceptions) never mix well. Nick had just barely put together HopeTorture's clues, that the power of Fish Server manifested in fish oil is the only way to cut through the cheese. So simple. so brilliant.
Grabbing a fistful of fish-flavored rice crackers, Nick Plott turns just in time to see the cheeser coming at him, fist afire with cheese fumes. Nick steps back, dodging the cheeser's blow, and counters with a jab from his left fist, forcing the man back, and quenching the cheese aura surrounding him. Finally able to see his adversary's face, Nick now recognizes him as none other than progamer Kim Chan-Min, friend and teammate of Choya, who died last month to the cheesers.
"TheBestFoU! It's you?! How could you kill your own friend?" Nick cries.
TheBest ignores him. "You can't stop us. You'll never be able to overcome our power or our vision for eSports! All shall be absorbed by Riot, all shall be engulfed by LoL and kneel before us!" He laughs maniacally and extends his hands, palms forwards, fingers up.
Nick takes a step back. "Riot? LoL? You're mad!"
TheBest utters an incomprehensible word, and he is again afire with cheese fumes. The room seems to come to a standstill, the very air shimmering around the cheeser. Suddenly, the energy in the room converges into a point in front of him and explodes outwards at Nick.
It's the most Nick can do to throw the fish crackers forwards at the oncoming tidal wave of cheese before it engulfs him. They are absorbed by the cheese wave, slowing it briefly, but the swell of dairy products is too large-- and the crackers too high in sodium and low in dietary fiber to make a difference. As the mass of cheese washes over the now-unarmed Nick, he finds he can't breathe, can't see, can't hear, can't even think. He's out of fish crackers, out of breath, out of hope.
This is it.
No hope left, no way to fight, no way to move.
This is it; this is the end.
* * *
"No!"
It's a familiar voice that comes to him through the mess of dairy and curds, but he hears it, and suddenly the room is on fire with sickening hot air that sweeps away the cheese like so many grey cobwebs. Liquid`Ret is here!
He advances on TheBest, presenting a sheet of paper with writing on it, and screaming at the top of his lungs. The paper explodes in a puff of acrid smoke, and TheBest is knocked off his feet, landing flat on the floor, unconscious.
Nick gets to his feet gingerly. "Thanks for the assist. What in God's name was that?"
Liquid`Ret smiles. "It was a detailed explanation of 15 hatch ZvZ timings and build order. A Macro Build. What have you been using to fight them?"
Nick looks at him with puzzlement on his face. "I've been using fish... Fish Server and associated powers counter cheese since fish and cheese don't mix well, right?"
Ret laughs. "Hah, not quite. Fish soft-counters cheese since fish is Macrobiotic, and Macro counters cheese. Have you really been using crackers against cheese?"
Nick furrows his brow. "It seemed reasonable at the time, okay? We should get moving, though, since we need to meet up with Dan. We also need to get someone to clean up this mess and lock TheBest up-- he said "we", not "I", so there's at least one other."
The two foreign players call GOM staff and begin to plan their next move.
kushm4sta as TheBest the cheeser has been defeated!
It is now Night 3. The Night ends in 24 hours at Saturday, Oct 06 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 02:00 GMT (+00:00). Make sure to get night actions into Blazinghand and Hapahauli by that time.
I think either ottox or I will get shot, just lynch the shit out of blue, him being absent at also tunneling ottox for a good time earlier should make him obvious as scum.
The three foreigners convene their eSports War Council. Artosis, back from his physical therapy and feeling limber again, is brought up to speed on how to fight cheese using macro and build orders. Ret takes a moment to rest after the long day, and Nick begins to outline the group's next move. As the GSL Open stream goes live and kellymilkies and engine gear up to cast the Round of 3, the crowds flock to the studio floor and the halls are empty.
"The cheesers are going to be on the defensive after losing one of their own," Nick says, "but we're not out of the woods yet. You'll note that in the tournament proper, we're down to just a few players. It'll be more and more clear that someone is lurking in this area inappropriately if we see them. We need to defeat the last of them, get out of the studio, and share the cure with the other gamers."
By now Nick has finished scribing his 1st Macro Scroll for use in fighting the cheesers. Potent weapons, they are.
Joseph nods. "TheBest was actually fairly easy to find, all told. Though perhaps it is we who were easy to find for him?"
"If that were the case," Dan adds, "we should probably take better cover. After all, this meeting room isn't exactly hidden."
The world is suddenly a symphony of cracking glass and ricocheting cheese bolts. Nick shouts and jumps on Dan, moving him out of danger's path, but the deadly curds strike Joseph squarely in the shoulder. In the doorway is a cheeser, his form and face concealed by swirls and eddies of liquified and vaporized milk product flickering around him. Dan is out cold from the fall. Nick looks around quickly. The scrolls! He has to find one! He sees the paper on the ground, and dives for it, but Joseph picks it up first. It's covered in cheese and doesn't work; Joseph is unarmed.
Everyone is doomed.
"I'll hold him off, you get out of here!" He says. The cheeser leaps forwards, snarling, at Joseph. The man turns to meet his fate unflinchingly.
Nick doesn't need to be told twice. He scoops up the body of his friend and makes for the door-- but finds the doorway is blocked by a web of curds and dairy.
Nick grimaces. "I was hoping I wouldn't have to use this."
He turns and runs at the wall, and both he and Dan disappear into it, phasing through the matter as though it wasn't there. In a moment they are gone, leaving Joseph behind to uncertain fate.
* * *
Dan finally comes to.
"What happened? where are we?"
"Be quiet-- they might hear us. We're in Tasteless' Secret Hallway, but we have to move again soon. Can you move your arms?"
"Yeah."
"Grab on to me, I'll carry you."
Ottoxlol as Liquid`Ret the progamer has given his life to save you!
It is now Day 4. With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch. The Day ends in 91 hours at Tuesday, Oct 09 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
On October 07 2012 00:48 iamperfection wrote: Bluelightz can you at least try to tell me what your thinking? Unless your scum and have given up?
Why would scum kill Ottox at this point? He would be an easy mislynch at LYLO. Because scum is trying to finger me, scum is trying to get proof that "Bluelightz was pushing town! lynch him for doing that!"
he led the charge on kush who kind of got a freebie from me Also there was like 0 reason to bus (with a hypothetical scum-ottox) kush in that situation, iamperfection was close to lynch anyway.
On October 07 2012 01:02 Bluelightz wrote: I'm here to talk. Just blast me with questions about anything in general.
give reasons on why you think me or shaopi.
I think ShiaoPi is more likely to be the last scum, because, I think that he was already trying to set up a mislynch for me, and for pushing me (I AM TOWN GOD DAMN IT).
On October 06 2012 03:15 ShiaoPi wrote: okay just a quick post for the night.
I think either ottox or I will get shot, just lynch the shit out of blue, him being absent at also tunneling ottox for a good time earlier should make him obvious as scum.
Tonight's results like almost exactly play's out into how ShiaoPi want's it (Ottox flips town, Bluelightz gets fingered and lynched in LYLO).
iamP, if you are town, please vote with me and win the game. I know I look scummy as shit, I know town will probably lose because I failed to prove my towniness (as a result you voted me), But, please this time vote with me?
Also I'm sorry town. I'm probably gonna get shit on post-game :/
On October 07 2012 01:20 iamperfection wrote: Shao the gg wp belongs to me
lol I knew you were just lurking around...needed something to bait you into doing scummy stuff like insta-hammer someone...BL would not believe me not being scum. fml, stupid fucking town for not willing to lynch you at day 2
Unfortunately BlazingHand is offline, and I don't have access to the flavor or specific role names. Really basic endgame post INC that will be updated with flavor later
They have only a moment before the cheeser is upon them again. Somehow, he knows about Tasteless' Secret Hallway. The walls shudder as bolts of cheese ricochet down the corridor. Nick runs as fast as he can, trying to pull his friend with him, knowing that if he can get Dan to safety, they word will get out. At least if he can save his friend, everything will be okay.
Just as they're about to reach the end of the corridor, a huge bolt of cheese flies past them and blocks the way, forming into an impermeable barrier. Nick lowers his head and rushes it, but he can't bust through the cheese wall. Fucking Blizzard still hasn't fixed it, so you can wall the bottom of a ramp with 2 pylons, and there's not a lot that people can do to stop it. As he reaches desperately into his pocket for a weapon, he hears a dark voice call out to him.
"Too slow, fools."
Nick turns, and beholds the last cheeser. More dairy than man, he hunches oddly as dark vortices of whirling, liquified curd and grease twist about him, obscuring his figure and his face. A frightening sight for any man. Taking stock of his chances, our hero realizes he as little to work with: he has no more room to run, nowhere to hide, and no weapons to fight him with. Dan is barely conscious, Ret is lost forever.
The cheeser steps forwards, pointing a cheese-encrusted hand at Nick. "Give up now, and I'll make it pain-free. You're not even a pro any more like these others were. What chance do you think you have? You don't even have a build order than can stop me."
Nick grits his teeth and says, "I still have the Tasteless Build."
The cheeser furrows his brow. "What's that?"
Tasteless says, "Come and find out, if you're so curious!"
With that, Tasteless leaps forwards and the two are joined in glorious battle.
End of Chapter 2.
Bluelightz, the Progamer, is lynched!
ShiaoPi, the Progamer, GG'd! iamperfection, the Cheeser, 2-raxes is way to victory!
whatever fuck this town for being a shithole of inactiveness.
It's not as much "wp" to you iamp, more like town was horrendously bad in this game. I had you on d2 but neither ottox or bl were willing to lynch you so I had to see what I can do.
Yeah I am just whining around since I was not that active either, but still FUCK THIS TOWN, losing another game were I had the scumteam earlier, I need a break after liquid city finishes, I fucking hate this game right now....
gg, thx for hosting
Are you planning to do another gsl mini BH? I really like the setup and also the insta-lynch is pretty good (with active town of course).
BH was planning on doing a GSL III with a semi-invite format. We both thought there was a lot of cool things to be done with the insa-lynch format, but the inactivity didn't allow for much.
Also, in fairness to the scumteam, the double-bus by Kush/Iamperfection was a really neat play. It was near impossible to lynch Iamperfection in lylo since he almost got lynched by kush's vote.
But for the most part, scum didn't win this game - town lost it with woeful inactivity.
On October 05 2012 10:22 kushm4sta wrote: huh? i dont get what you are saying ottox. i think you may not understand the significance of voting for someone in this specific scenario. at least one of these must be true 1 there is scum among the afk (shiaopi and bluelightz) 2 either iamp or me is scum
:DDD wp iamp, too bad you killed me. I should have been more active last night, but I was sure you would kill Shiaopi since he's a better player and won't miss this, also I tried to hint that I think you are town.. didnt work out. gg
On October 07 2012 01:34 ShiaoPi wrote: whatever fuck this town for being a shithole of inactiveness.
It's not as much "wp" to you iamp, more like town was horrendously bad in this game. I had you on d2 but neither ottox or bl were willing to lynch you so I had to see what I can do.
Yeah I am just whining around since I was not that active either, but still FUCK THIS TOWN, losing another game were I had the scumteam earlier, I need a break after liquid city finishes, I fucking hate this game right now....
gg, thx for hosting
Are you planning to do another gsl mini BH? I really like the setup and also the insta-lynch is pretty good (with active town of course).
If you did find the scum you should've like, pushed em more with like "Hey BL, I think you should look @ X", Didn't feel like I got convinced on iamP's scummyness till like end of day 3, then you came in w/ da comments and early vote ._.
sorry bl, I kind of just got frustrated and fed up with this game. Also me trying to push iamp/kush/sinensis ended up being read as "scummy" from you and ottox, so it was probably lose-lose anyway.
oh another thing, I think the long day-cycles were counter-productive. They kind of let people just cruise by without having to worry for a deadline. Probably the standard 48/24h works better to encourage more active play.
On October 07 2012 01:42 Bluelightz wrote: Can you guys just trust me for once during LYLO or not come in with an early vote in a instant-lynch game ....
Big fat sadface. thanks hosts for hosting and for putting up with this.
NONE of us can complain about inactivity, because we all blew goats. It doesn't matter how many pages of filter anyone had because we sucked donkey dicks and even trying to get active late doesn't make up for such a bad start. We need that activity early. Also apparently I like farm animal genitalia. Sorry town for not trying to push things more D1, I got stuck with the thought that I needed to survive and then didn't realize I was being dumb until too late.
Sinensis - Look at his D1. Early on, pretty active. Very critical of me, hounding me somewhat, seems interested and has a read and is pushing it. Later in the day though, there are lots of little things that concern me: this post - + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 04:46 phagga wrote: Sinensis, while you are here, I would like to know your stance on Ottoxlol.
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. I'm null on him. I think the worst thing he's done is instead of formulating a proper defense (against something that really didn't need defending against), he tried to shift the blame onto others...BUT he wasn't trying to shift the blame onto 1 or 2 other people, he was trying to shift the blame back onto everyone. That's why I think he just believes he's being treated unfairly and is just lashing out at everyone else. This doesn't strike me as scummy so much as just bad town play.
Aside from that all he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand because SnB has been posting weird stuff this game. First there was the random lynch suggestion. He posted this too:
On September 27 2012 05:22 strongandbig wrote: what about vt's fakeclaiming boxer
lets all claim boxer
I've said a lot already about why VTs shouldn't be fake claiming. Was SnB fishing for people to agree with him or is he suggesting something that benefits mafia on purpose?
ANYWAY I just think Ottoxlol is understandably concerned with SnB's play, and I think in the future Ottoxlol should start making proper defenses instead of blaming everyone else.
Look at how wishy washy his READ on Ottox is despite all these strong statements.
"I think Ottoxlol believes he is being unfairly voted for" "The worst thing he's done is x, x doesn't strike me as scummy so much as bad town play" "The only other thing he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand..."
To me, those ALL look like they should generate a town read, at least when taken together. But Sinensis is null. And that "unfairly voted for" bit still just feels...it's weird. It's a weird conclusion to pull out.
and his play concerning thrawn. Again, just like the way he was pushing me, he's very involved with thrawn at one point - + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: @Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: ##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant. @Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog. @Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that?
First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players" Also could you be more specific with the accusations?
I am accusing you of sabotaging meaningful discussion by nit picking everyone's posts. I think you're doing this because people are voting for you and you're looking for ANYTHING that will get the spotlight off you. The problem isn't with 1 or 2 of your posts, it's most of them. How would you like me to be more specific?
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
Note his vote post. He wants to see what everyone else thinks. But he never does. He doesn't talk with ANYONE in the thread really after voting thrawn. See:
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations.
Anyways,
Sinensis makes this comment:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon
On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you?
On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of textbarf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.
On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying
So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.
Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw
Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.
Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.
But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?
You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
"just making a note of it"
Wanna say anything further than that?
No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was:
On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:
On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?
Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it.
So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last.
He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this:
On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.
So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?
What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.
He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me.
##Unvote ##Vote Sinensis
What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place.
On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
Look at his posts. "I want to see what everyone else thinks." But what does he do after voting and making that comment? He responds to an SnB question and a ShiaoPi question (So we know he's reading thread at those 2 points, but not commenting on anything else or doing anything or trying to push his thrawn read/be at all involved in the thrawn lynch). I don't like how he's on me, then on thrawn, then just detached. Why does his play change? Why does he not push thrawn, or comment on any other thrawn case?
I really dislike the drop off in activity once he and the failure to follow-up with anything. He also contributed a decent amount early, but kept it really focused - hounding me or hounding thrawn. Some comments elsewhere, but while he responds to some questions, he doesn't really seem to be doing too much looking at others. Looking back through, Sinensis would maybe be at the top of my preferred lynch candidates for tomorrow.
Phagga - Giving a cursory read here, see comments yesterday. ShiaoPi and Bluelightz have some good points. Blah blah. Interesting, but not necessarily scummy, is his response to iamperfection's deadline question during the night. iamperfection asks for phagga's thinking in detail towards the end of the day, especially when I'm asking about him with 5 minutes to go. What does phagga post? This enormous wall of text discussing his read throughout the entire day, his thought process on all sorts of people, concerns about a no lynch, etc. It felt kind of out of place, like he was asked the question, but was worried about being scrutinized and voted for, so he responded to a bunch of questions or concerns that weren't being raised.
iamperfection - Look at his filter. It's chock full of one liners, of single questions that he never follows up on. Needs to be compared against past play, but there are SO MANY one liners and dangling questions. There are very few full, original thoughts. His thrawn vote was...I guess people vote sometimes of single things they find scummy, but it felt like something that a townie would do in a rush, then later change his vote or explain his vote further. I overreacted, found that thing you did scummy, but this other guy is entirely scummy OR I overreacted and voted you for x, but then I went through your filter and, you know what, I like my vote because of x, y, z. He just NEVER gives much out in the way of thoughts, never follows up the questions he asks, I really don't love this filter.
D2 my strongest candidates right now would be imperfection and sinensis I think, as odd as that sounds given my concerns about phagga yesterday and my vote on him. I need to look him back over a little closer with thrawn green, but I don't have a town read, just...iamperfection and sinensis's filters don't look great.
On October 07 2012 01:48 ShiaoPi wrote: oh another thing, I think the long day-cycles were counter-productive. They kind of let people just cruise by without having to worry for a deadline. Probably the standard 48/24h works better to encourage more active play.
The idea of the 72-hour deadline was to allow the voting to be controlled by the insta-lynch mechanic as opposed to the deadline. We were even discussing a 96-hour deadline.
It clearly didn't work as intended with the inactivity, and I'm not sure what BH's thoughts are on the length. That being said, I want to see this with a more active player-lineup first.
wp scum with the nice double bus on the penultimate day. The players weren't alive to the idea that it was the perfect time for some kinda neat play, but scum pulled it off really neatly.
BL, you had me fooled a lot of the game. You were more aggressive than I'm used to seeing you, and I thought you were scum for it. Was it just the different playerbase?
On October 07 2012 01:48 ShiaoPi wrote: oh another thing, I think the long day-cycles were counter-productive. They kind of let people just cruise by without having to worry for a deadline. Probably the standard 48/24h works better to encourage more active play.
The idea of the 72-hour deadline was to allow the voting to be controlled by the insta-lynch mechanic as opposed to the deadline. We were even discussing a 96-hour deadline.
It clearly didn't work as intended with the inactivity, and I'm not sure what BH's thoughts are on the length. That being said, I want to see this with a more active player-lineup first.
^
I don't think we took advantage of the cycles. If we'd used instant lynch to put a lot of pressure on a number of different people D1, get them to 3-4 votes and really turn the screws, I think we could have gained a TON of useful information.
The 72-hour day is just...a red herring. Or whatever. Like, we read that and go "the day was 72 hours, so long!" But really, we had full control over how long days were, and the day was however long we said it was. I agree that the long cycles didn't help town in this game, but I don't think that's intrinsic to the length of the cycle, it's how we played things.
They have only a moment before the cheeser is upon them again. Somehow, he knows about Tasteless' Secret Hallway. The walls shudder as bolts of cheese ricochet down the corridor. Nick runs as fast as he can, trying to pull his friend with him, knowing that if he can get Dan to safety, they word will get out. At least if he can save his friend, everything will be okay.
Just as they're about to reach the end of the corridor, a huge bolt of cheese flies past them and blocks the way, forming into an impermeable barrier. Nick lowers his head and rushes it, but he can't bust through the cheese wall. Fucking Blizzard still hasn't fixed it, so you can wall the bottom of a ramp with 2 pylons, and there's not a lot that people can do to stop it. As he reaches desperately into his pocket for a weapon, he hears a dark voice call out to him.
"Too slow, fools."
Nick turns, and beholds the last cheeser. More dairy than man, he hunches oddly as dark vortices of whirling, liquified curd and grease twist about him, obscuring his figure and his face. A frightening sight for any man. Taking stock of his chances, our hero realizes he as little to work with: he has no more room to run, nowhere to hide, and no weapons to fight him with. Dan is barely conscious, Ret is lost forever.
The cheeser steps forwards, pointing a cheese-encrusted hand at Nick. "Give up now, and I'll make it pain-free. You're not even a pro any more like these others were. What chance do you think you have? You don't even have a build order than can stop me."
Nick grits his teeth and says, "I still have the Tasteless Build."
The cheeser furrows his brow. "What's that?"
Tasteless says, "Come and find out, if you're so curious!"
With that, Tasteless leaps forwards and the two are joined in glorious battle.
Overall, the setup didn't work out as well as I wanted it to, but I think in part the town reacted poorly to the Instant Majority Lynch (though scum definitely made mistakes as well). The double-bus on D3 was pretty brilliant, and given the activity level of town it clinched victory for the town.
On October 07 2012 01:48 ShiaoPi wrote: oh another thing, I think the long day-cycles were counter-productive. They kind of let people just cruise by without having to worry for a deadline. Probably the standard 48/24h works better to encourage more active play.
The idea of the 72-hour deadline was to allow the voting to be controlled by the insta-lynch mechanic as opposed to the deadline. We were even discussing a 96-hour deadline.
It clearly didn't work as intended with the inactivity, and I'm not sure what BH's thoughts are on the length. That being said, I want to see this with a more active player-lineup first.
^
I don't think we took advantage of the cycles. If we'd used instant lynch to put a lot of pressure on a number of different people D1, get them to 3-4 votes and really turn the screws, I think we could have gained a TON of useful information.
The 72-hour day is just...a red herring. Or whatever. Like, we read that and go "the day was 72 hours, so long!" But really, we had full control over how long days were, and the day was however long we said it was. I agree that the long cycles didn't help town in this game, but I don't think that's intrinsic to the length of the cycle, it's how we played things.
Ultimately, long cycles with Instant Lynch are what town makes of them. Many townies used the 72-hour cycle to be lazy and post less, but you could easily imagine a situation where it's just treated like a 48-hour day in terms of activity, and scum live in constant fear of getting hammered (bussing or soft-voting your own teammate is quite dangerous if he might get hammered while you're asleep).
I actually think town had a good chance going into D3, and going into D4 at LYLO is fine. As Bluelightz, I'd have provided several links to previous times I'd been lynched at LYLO for doing exactly what he did this game as town, and also chided ShiaoPi not to vote him because he'd get immediately hammered. With a 72 hour day that might give him enough time to argue himself out of getting lynched.
On October 07 2012 02:14 marvellosity wrote: wp scum with the nice double bus on the penultimate day. The players weren't alive to the idea that it was the perfect time for some kinda neat play, but scum pulled it off really neatly.
BL, you had me fooled a lot of the game. You were more aggressive than I'm used to seeing you, and I thought you were scum for it. Was it just the different playerbase?
Felt different when you come into the game from a win
Thanks to the hosts for this game. I liked the concept and the mechanics, unfortunately the game suffered from the heavy inactivity.
I still struggle with trying to make the town more active. I tried to come up with meaningful topics for day 1 to discuss, but failed. Also, I need to cut the filler crap on my D1 posts. Obviously I was scummy although I tried hard to be the opposite.
About the game, I would never have lynched Bluelightz. It was pretty obvious for me that he was more or less playing to his town meta. However, I thought the same of Iamperfect after comparing with his play in Rockband Mafia.
About my D2 absence and replacement: 15 minutes after This Post I received a phone call from my stepfather. He informed me that my mother has had a cardiac arrest at night. 4 Days earlier they had removed a tumor from her throat. That night, the wound broke open again and blood got in her lung, which caused her circulation to shut down. They reanimated her immediatly, but her brain took severe damage. She died 30 hours later.
So, yeah, I first thought I want to play on because it was a good distraction of all the shit going on at the time. However, I was on the road or the hospital the whole time and could only play from mobile, which sucks. Blazinghand was kind enough to offer me replacement, which I accepted.
In hindsight, I should have asked for a replacement immediatly. Sorry for waiting so long.
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