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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
October 06 2012 16:19 GMT
#621
##vote: ShiaoPi

iamP, if you are town, please vote with me and win the game. I know I look scummy as shit, I know town will probably lose because I failed to prove my towniness (as a result you voted me), But, please this time vote with me?

Also I'm sorry town. I'm probably gonna get shit on post-game :/
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 06 2012 16:20 GMT
#622
Shao the gg wp belongs to me
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 06 2012 16:21 GMT
#623
lol fuck iamp's vote makes me want to do this:

##unvote

does it still count or is BL dead?
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
October 06 2012 16:22 GMT
#624
U lose
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 06 2012 16:23 GMT
#625
On October 07 2012 01:20 iamperfection wrote:
Shao the gg wp belongs to me


lol I knew you were just lurking around...needed something to bait you into doing scummy stuff like insta-hammer someone...BL would not believe me not being scum.
fml, stupid fucking town for not willing to lynch you at day 2
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 16:25:20
October 06 2012 16:24 GMT
#626
[image loading]

HAMMER! Hold all posting!

Bluelightz is lynched!
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 19:05:41
October 06 2012 16:28 GMT
#627
Unfortunately BlazingHand is offline, and I don't have access to the flavor or specific role names. Really basic endgame post INC that will be updated with flavor later

EDIT: Flavor added retroactively
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 19:05:00
October 06 2012 16:32 GMT
#628
Endgame

[image loading]


They have only a moment before the cheeser is upon them again. Somehow, he knows about Tasteless' Secret Hallway. The walls shudder as bolts of cheese ricochet down the corridor. Nick runs as fast as he can, trying to pull his friend with him, knowing that if he can get Dan to safety, they word will get out. At least if he can save his friend, everything will be okay.

Just as they're about to reach the end of the corridor, a huge bolt of cheese flies past them and blocks the way, forming into an impermeable barrier. Nick lowers his head and rushes it, but he can't bust through the cheese wall. Fucking Blizzard still hasn't fixed it, so you can wall the bottom of a ramp with 2 pylons, and there's not a lot that people can do to stop it. As he reaches desperately into his pocket for a weapon, he hears a dark voice call out to him.

"Too slow, fools."

Nick turns, and beholds the last cheeser. More dairy than man, he hunches oddly as dark vortices of whirling, liquified curd and grease twist about him, obscuring his figure and his face. A frightening sight for any man. Taking stock of his chances, our hero realizes he as little to work with: he has no more room to run, nowhere to hide, and no weapons to fight him with. Dan is barely conscious, Ret is lost forever.

The cheeser steps forwards, pointing a cheese-encrusted hand at Nick. "Give up now, and I'll make it pain-free. You're not even a pro any more like these others were. What chance do you think you have? You don't even have a build order than can stop me."

Nick grits his teeth and says, "I still have the Tasteless Build."

The cheeser furrows his brow. "What's that?"

Tasteless says, "Come and find out, if you're so curious!"

With that, Tasteless leaps forwards and the two are joined in glorious battle.

End of Chapter 2.



Bluelightz, the Progamer, is lynched!

ShiaoPi, the Progamer, GG'd!
iamperfection, the Cheeser, 2-raxes is way to victory!

Mafia Victory!



Mafia QT: http://quicktopic.com/48/H/ewnKb2KHpH7
Obs QT: http://quicktopic.com/48/H/LBpNfkUJbxqS
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
October 06 2012 16:33 GMT
#629
I'M SORRY TOWN
and I'm probably gonna just be absent from the thread from sadness.
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 16:35:40
October 06 2012 16:34 GMT
#630
whatever fuck this town for being a shithole of inactiveness.

It's not as much "wp" to you iamp, more like town was horrendously bad in this game.
I had you on d2 but neither ottox or bl were willing to lynch you so I had to see what I can do.

Yeah I am just whining around since I was not that active either, but still FUCK THIS TOWN, losing another game were I had the scumteam earlier, I need a break after liquid city finishes, I fucking hate this game right now....

gg, thx for hosting

Are you planning to do another gsl mini BH? I really like the setup and also the insta-lynch is pretty good (with active town of course).
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 06 2012 16:35 GMT
#631
BH was planning on doing a GSL III with a semi-invite format. We both thought there was a lot of cool things to be done with the insa-lynch format, but the inactivity didn't allow for much.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 16:37:02
October 06 2012 16:36 GMT
#632
Also, in fairness to the scumteam, the double-bus by Kush/Iamperfection was a really neat play. It was near impossible to lynch Iamperfection in lylo since he almost got lynched by kush's vote.

But for the most part, scum didn't win this game - town lost it with woeful inactivity.
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Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
October 06 2012 16:37 GMT
#633
On October 05 2012 10:22 kushm4sta wrote:
huh? i dont get what you are saying ottox.
i think you may not understand the significance of voting for someone in this specific scenario.
at least one of these must be true
1 there is scum among the afk (shiaopi and bluelightz)
2 either iamp or me is scum


:DDD
wp iamp, too bad you killed me. I should have been more active last night, but I was sure you would kill Shiaopi since he's a better player and won't miss this, also I tried to hint that I think you are town.. didnt work out. gg
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
October 06 2012 16:37 GMT
#634
On October 07 2012 01:34 ShiaoPi wrote:
whatever fuck this town for being a shithole of inactiveness.

It's not as much "wp" to you iamp, more like town was horrendously bad in this game.
I had you on d2 but neither ottox or bl were willing to lynch you so I had to see what I can do.

Yeah I am just whining around since I was not that active either, but still FUCK THIS TOWN, losing another game were I had the scumteam earlier, I need a break after liquid city finishes, I fucking hate this game right now....

gg, thx for hosting

Are you planning to do another gsl mini BH? I really like the setup and also the insta-lynch is pretty good (with active town of course).


If you did find the scum you should've like, pushed em more with like "Hey BL, I think you should look @ X", Didn't feel like I got convinced on iamP's scummyness till like end of day 3, then you came in w/ da comments and early vote ._.

(lurks back out of thread)
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 16:41:07
October 06 2012 16:39 GMT
#635
Also, out of the whole thread, I have 4 pages or an eigth of the whole activity ....

No offense but activity was even shitier then http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346 (Dwarf Fortress Mini Mafia)
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 06 2012 16:40 GMT
#636
sorry bl, I kind of just got frustrated and fed up with this game.
Also me trying to push iamp/kush/sinensis ended up being read as "scummy" from you and ottox, so it was probably lose-lose anyway.
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TL+ Member
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
October 06 2012 16:42 GMT
#637
Can you guys just trust me for once during LYLO or not come in with an early vote in a instant-lynch game ....
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 06 2012 16:48 GMT
#638
oh another thing, I think the long day-cycles were counter-productive. They kind of let people just cruise by without having to worry for a deadline. Probably the standard 48/24h works better to encourage more active play.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 06 2012 16:48 GMT
#639
On October 07 2012 01:42 Bluelightz wrote:
Can you guys just trust me for once during LYLO or not come in with an early vote in a instant-lynch game ....

sorry, ;_;
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 06 2012 16:49 GMT
#640
Big fat sadface. thanks hosts for hosting and for putting up with this.

NONE of us can complain about inactivity, because we all blew goats. It doesn't matter how many pages of filter anyone had because we sucked donkey dicks and even trying to get active late doesn't make up for such a bad start. We need that activity early. Also apparently I like farm animal genitalia. Sorry town for not trying to push things more D1, I got stuck with the thought that I needed to survive and then didn't realize I was being dumb until too late.


That said, I just want to point this out - + Show Spoiler +
Sinensis - Look at his D1. Early on, pretty active. Very critical of me, hounding me somewhat, seems interested and has a read and is pushing it. Later in the day though, there are lots of little things that concern me: this post - + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 04:46 phagga wrote:
Sinensis, while you are here, I would like to know your stance on Ottoxlol.


I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. I'm null on him. I think the worst thing he's done is instead of formulating a proper defense (against something that really didn't need defending against), he tried to shift the blame onto others...BUT he wasn't trying to shift the blame onto 1 or 2 other people, he was trying to shift the blame back onto everyone. That's why I think he just believes he's being treated unfairly and is just lashing out at everyone else. This doesn't strike me as scummy so much as just bad town play.

Aside from that all he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand because SnB has been posting weird stuff this game. First there was the random lynch suggestion. He posted this too:

Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 05:22 strongandbig wrote:
what about vt's fakeclaiming boxer


lets all claim boxer


I've said a lot already about why VTs shouldn't be fake claiming. Was SnB fishing for people to agree with him or is he suggesting something that benefits mafia on purpose?

ANYWAY I just think Ottoxlol is understandably concerned with SnB's play, and I think in the future Ottoxlol should start making proper defenses instead of blaming everyone else.
Look at how wishy washy his READ on Ottox is despite all these strong statements.

"I think Ottoxlol believes he is being unfairly voted for"
"The worst thing he's done is x, x doesn't strike me as scummy so much as bad town play"
"The only other thing he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand..."

To me, those ALL look like they should generate a town read, at least when taken together. But Sinensis is null. And that "unfairly voted for" bit still just feels...it's weird. It's a weird conclusion to pull out.
and his play concerning thrawn. Again, just like the way he was pushing me, he's very involved with thrawn at one point - + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:
@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.

What do you have to say about that?
On September 28 2012 13:34 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 13:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:
##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant.


@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog.


@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.

What do you have to say about that?


First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players"
Also could you be more specific with the accusations?


I am accusing you of sabotaging meaningful discussion by nit picking everyone's posts. I think you're doing this because people are voting for you and you're looking for ANYTHING that will get the spotlight off you. The problem isn't with 1 or 2 of your posts, it's most of them. How would you like me to be more specific?
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote:
That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.

##Vote: Thrawn2112

I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.


Note his vote post. He wants to see what everyone else thinks. But he never does. He doesn't talk with ANYONE in the thread really after voting thrawn. See:
On September 28 2012 16:13 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 15:14 strongandbig wrote:
On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:
Ebwop

On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:

I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for.


Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important



top of page 10


On September 28 2012 16:19 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 15:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote:
That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.

##Vote: Thrawn2112

I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.


Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations.

Anyways,

Sinensis makes this comment:

On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon

On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch

i will flip a coin.

heads it's me, and tails it's you?

On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho

who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.

On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying



So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.

Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?


Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw

Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.

Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.

But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?


You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.


I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said:

On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:
On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:
On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:
On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon

On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch

i will flip a coin.

heads it's me, and tails it's you?

On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho

who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it.

On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying



So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly.

Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?


Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw

Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken.

Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself.

But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone?


You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.


"just making a note of it"

Wanna say anything further than that?


No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.


He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was:

On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:
On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.


When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?


Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it.


So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last.

He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this:

On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.

So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.

On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.


I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?

What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.


He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me.

##Unvote
##Vote Sinensis


What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place.

On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote:
@ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.

I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.


Look at his posts. "I want to see what everyone else thinks." But what does he do after voting and making that comment? He responds to an SnB question and a ShiaoPi question (So we know he's reading thread at those 2 points, but not commenting on anything else or doing anything or trying to push his thrawn read/be at all involved in the thrawn lynch). I don't like how he's on me, then on thrawn, then just detached. Why does his play change? Why does he not push thrawn, or comment on any other thrawn case?
I really dislike the drop off in activity once he and the failure to follow-up with anything. He also contributed a decent amount early, but kept it really focused - hounding me or hounding thrawn. Some comments elsewhere, but while he responds to some questions, he doesn't really seem to be doing too much looking at others. Looking back through, Sinensis would maybe be at the top of my preferred lynch candidates for tomorrow.

Phagga - Giving a cursory read here, see comments yesterday. ShiaoPi and Bluelightz have some good points. Blah blah. Interesting, but not necessarily scummy, is his response to iamperfection's deadline question during the night. iamperfection asks for phagga's thinking in detail towards the end of the day, especially when I'm asking about him with 5 minutes to go. What does phagga post? This enormous wall of text discussing his read throughout the entire day, his thought process on all sorts of people, concerns about a no lynch, etc. It felt kind of out of place, like he was asked the question, but was worried about being scrutinized and voted for, so he responded to a bunch of questions or concerns that weren't being raised.

iamperfection - Look at his filter. It's chock full of one liners, of single questions that he never follows up on. Needs to be compared against past play, but there are SO MANY one liners and dangling questions. There are very few full, original thoughts. His thrawn vote was...I guess people vote sometimes of single things they find scummy, but it felt like something that a townie would do in a rush, then later change his vote or explain his vote further. I overreacted, found that thing you did scummy, but this other guy is entirely scummy OR I overreacted and voted you for x, but then I went through your filter and, you know what, I like my vote because of x, y, z. He just NEVER gives much out in the way of thoughts, never follows up the questions he asks, I really don't love this filter.


D2 my strongest candidates right now would be imperfection and sinensis I think, as odd as that sounds given my concerns about phagga yesterday and my vote on him. I need to look him back over a little closer with thrawn green, but I don't have a town read, just...iamperfection and sinensis's filters don't look great.
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