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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On July 11 2012 04:11 chambertin wrote: ahem, are. For just a tick longer... are. T_T Ah yes, my apologies. I'll go fix that. The point still stands though: storms are good, but hard to use. like most things in bw. | ||
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ScythedBlade
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archonOOid
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Arcane86
United States68 Posts
In a recent interview, Dustin Browder made it a point to note that simply porting over Psi-Storm into SC2 was broken as hell because the AI is better at clumping units together. They spent a ton of time tinkering with it to make it balanceable, and still wound up having to remove Khaydarin Amulet. It may be worth considering how these changes that made the game "smarter" plays into not only "skirmish" v. "deathball" but also game design to begin with. | ||
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Asday
United Kingdom388 Posts
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Masayume
Netherlands208 Posts
What I do want is for StarCraft 2 to grow in depth and options. The only reason I reference to BW most of the time is because it is always easier to use an existing example of something to try to explain something. I think Starcraft 2 is at a good place right now, but as HotS is drawing closer I wanted to take the time to write about things that I personally think held WoL back from being even more enjoyable. The new units are a step in the right direction, but I simply wanted to share my thoughts in order to help figure out what the underlying causes of the sometimes limited gameplay options are in the matchups. And if you want to reread my posts, you will see that I simply drew comparisons, and didn't actually advocate we go back to the BW mechanics or anything of that nature. That is not the intention and point of discussion for this blog either. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
1, reduce the Faster Game Speed by 10%. This gives players the reaction time you mention, and thus the incentive to micro. 2, add a button to allow modified movement. That is, units will move in their original formation with different speed. See here for more details: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349968 Because when HOTS comes out, they will have to rebalance the game. So why not just add these two changes--they are going to rebalance the game anyway. | ||
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jeeneeus
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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AzureD
United States320 Posts
Real reason splash is more effective in SC2 is due to clumping not any dps difference which is tiny. | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On July 11 2012 05:30 Asday wrote: I don't like you. Everything I've seen you post, (which isn't much), just comes off as you wishing SC2 was BW, when it really really shouldn't me. Last I checked, SC2BW was pretty good. Try that out, instead, if you want an HD remake. I don't like you either. Last time I checked SC2 was a mediocre game that could be SO much better. Game quality is objective. BW is better than SCII as both a spectator sport and competition wise. SCII just has more funding b/c it is rendered on a modern engine and has Blizzard's backing. But as a game it's inferior. SCII should take things from its predecessor, if it's so busy killing it off. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Masayume
Netherlands208 Posts
AzureD, the DPS as a pure value expressed in game time is close to the same yes, but the DPS in Real-time is delivered faster in SC2. This is what makes deathballs more favourable in SC2 combined with the high density of DPS (read clumped and more DPS uptime). | ||
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AzureD
United States320 Posts
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On July 11 2012 06:56 Masayume wrote: Roe, that's a great point. You are completely right, the old BW tank did not have smart fire. Players would often send a few units ahead to tank volleys and take spider mine damage. For the rest you still really wanted to spread your units out properly over the side that wouldn't be hit by stasis. AzureD, the DPS as a pure value expressed in game time is close to the same yes, but the DPS in Real-time is delivered faster in SC2. This is what makes deathballs more favourable in SC2 combined with the high density of DPS (read clumped and more DPS uptime). People do this in sc2 too, throwing out a couple of well spaced out infested terran eggs to draw fire from tanks while lings run in, for example? And people simply have deep tank lines so they get completely raped by every tank firing at 1 ling. | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
However the cooldown on BW siege tank is faster than 7.5 seconds. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On July 11 2012 09:03 sluggaslamoo wrote: Siege Tank fire is much faster in SC2 than BW. However the cooldown on BW siege tank is faster than 7.5 seconds. Yeah after some research I can confirm both of these. Also, the kinds of damage units deal works a bit differently in BW in terms of bonus damage-- tanks deal less damage against small units, but always deal full damage to shields, making them modestly more effective against zealots and intensely more effective against archons than their Sc2 counterparts. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
Yes dps is higher in sc2 BUT hitpoints are also quite a bit higher. Marauders, thors, ultralisks, roaches, immortals, colossus, queens, broodlords, even the Archon is a lot tankier due to being a purely massive/psionic unit. So it kind of balances out in generally. But looking into specific matchups you see questionable stuff like the tank being appalling versus protoss units, hence the battle hellion and warhound. | ||
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MNdakota
United States512 Posts
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