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Well heres my opinion; There are some advantages to being a male in, say ironlady, males have more Testosterone which makes you more competitive. Take that how you will. Now your philosophy of what makes a woman and what doesn't will be argued by many people. For example say Scarlett robs a bank. Just because he has the frame of a woman and repersents himself as a woman does not mean shit to the court system. He will go to MALE prison. In which all of your points are moot. Now I'm not without empathy despite having an apathetic outlook on this. I think people should let others live with whatever sexual identity they want. Tourny-wise it comes down to the admins and players of said tournament to make the decision based on the qualification. Scarlett, for example knows and accept this, he also knows that trolls are likely to run rampant. What I think are worse are the internet white knights that are feeding everything and banning/downvoting everyone that says ANYTHING about it or uses the noun "he" instead of "her". In the end it doesnt matter what one says or does, especially on the internet regarding this issue. I see it as a content of the player, and I would be more concerned about my strategies vs her/him than how they live their life at the end of the day. However being as biased to shut down other opinions that are not yours makes you just as bad as the people youre aiming this at. Let live, and drone.
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On April 24 2012 01:23 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 01:00 Pholon wrote:When you say So Lets Quickly Review What Defines You As Being A "Female":
It SHOULD be defined by HOW you FEEL and HOW you LIVE your life.
It SHOULD be defined by HOW you represent yourself.
It SHOULD be defined by what you IDENTIFY yourself as to everyone else. do you mean these verbs to be conscious acts? (except "feel" I suppose) Yes. In regards to how you feel and how you live your life and how you identify yourself..I think that is both a conscious and subconscious act. It is very hard to explain exactly what I meant there...My apologies for not being able to give a clear answer. Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 01:05 TheToast wrote:On April 24 2012 00:23 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On April 24 2012 00:06 SaintBadger wrote:On April 23 2012 23:22 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
It is HOW you see yourself. NOT how others view you!
It SHOULD be defined by HOW you FEEL and HOW you LIVE your life.
First of all, please understand my lexicon on this issue. "Male" and "Female" refer to sex. That is to say Scarlett is a male. I realize there are some aberrational departures from the traditional XX and XY sytem of chromosomes, but we have no reason to believe that is the case in this discussion. "Man" and "Woman" and all their derivatives refer to gender. That is to say, Scarlett is a girl. While it introduces the somewhat awkward context of a "male woman" or a "female man", this vocabulary allows us to clearly move through the issue without having to issue three or four disclaimers after every sentence. If you don't understand the difference between sex and gender, please look it up. In the realm of starcraft, defining gender by how one feels and how one represents his/herself is well and good. The worst that can happen is a debate over legitimacy of female-only tournament entries. If we all take a big step back, I'm sure we can agree that this does not rise to the level of an earth-shattering issue. In the real world, pretending that gender = sex creates quite a few problems. It does not require a lot of imagination to make a list: How about male/female restrooms? No big deal, girls should lighten up if a male woman chooses to use their restroom, right? That is the typical answer by the allegedly enlightened bunch, but it completely ignores the fact that female women have won quite a few astonishingly large judgements from sexual harassment suits on that issue. And we aren't talking 1960 litigation. We're talking 2011. How about sex-based scholarships? Is a male woman eligible for an endowment to a woman's college? Should it be the perrogative of the trustee to decide who is eligible for a scholarship earmarked for women (or perhaps females)? Courts have split on this one, and some fairly ugly litigation is pending at the Supreme Court level. How about marriage? No, not the old same-sex marriage routine. That one has been done. How about failure to disclose transgender status prior to marriage being grounds for annulment if discovered after ceremony? It's happened. And a guy that I feel for ended up paying a lot of alimony as a result. And for those loyal readers who have made it this far, I saved the best for last. During the assembly of the Affordable Care Act (commonly known as Obamacare), there was a suggestion made to add sexual reassignment surgery to the already large list of treatments which are required to be covered by any entity selling health insurance. In laymen's terms, that means that if you or your boss is providing health care for your family, whether you have any desire to change your gender surgically, you would have been required to carry that coverage, pay a commensurate increase in fee, and pay an additional increase to cover sexual reassignment surgery for those who live below the poverty mark. In all fairness, this provision does not appear in the final bill. However, CA and several other states have tried the same thing at the state level. As the OP points out, these surgeries are quite costly. Are we cool with that? Maybe we are; after all, no one relishes the thought of being trapped in a body that doesn't function the way we desire. But it's a whole new ballgame when others are required to pay for it, and it does warrant discussion. THE POINTTaking one's word for it as to which gender he or she identifies with is not an option without some serious discussion and reorgnization of massive areas of our legal framework. I understand how tempting it is to snap back at some idiot who essentially posts 'HURR DURR PENIS!!!!", but be careful. There are those of us who do not subscribe to the "do as you feel" approach who are fairly knowledgable on the subject. To imply that there is nothing to discuss here smacks of an even higher level of ignorance than those who gutcheck a bigoted reaction to the Scarlett story. I can't imagine why this post would warrant a temp ban, but seeing as how they are handed out so easily whenever this subject arises, I'll simply say that I don't play devil's advocate for fun. I work in politics specifically to get these issues addressed and resolved to the best of our collective abilities. I am a fan of Scarlett and hope that she is recognized and remembered for her play, not as a lightning rod for this sort of controversy. Long Live the new Queen of Blades Please do not think, that for one moment I am not saying it shouldn't be discussed. Please do not think that I am saying "do as you feel" approach either. I am simply saying that we, as a community, should try to be more understanding and more welcoming. I would agree with this point. I think individuals are allowed to hold whatever opinions they like on the subject of transgendered individuals, but some of the hatred and outright disrespect that Scarlett has gotten is totally absurd. Whatever one's opinion on the subject, she's still an amazing Starcraft player and deserves to be recognized as such. Many of us knew she was a transgender before it was out in the open and if we, THE FEMALE COMMUNITY, ACCEPTED her as a FELLOW FEMALE, then why can't the rest of you?. This frame of mind that many of you have at this moment could end up making this such a nasty community to be a part of or it could even just hurt the goal of helping expand E-Sports. What makes her so different? So what if she was born differently! We all were born differently! I think we need to make a distinction between those who have contrary opinion on the subject, and those who have openly disrespected her or spread hatred. If someone's personal or religious beliefs lead them to believe that biology is the ultimate determining factor in certain aspects of gender; they are well within their rights to express that opinion. The world would be supremely boring if everyone had the same set of opinions on every issue. But there's a time and a place for expressing those opinions, and there's certainly a very clear line between expressing one's views on a topic and inciting hatred of an individual because of their personal choices. I think we also need to accept that while Scarlett may be mentally a female, there's a difference between a biological female and a transgendered individual. I've known a number of transgendered people in my life, including one ftm individual who was seriously one of the nicest and awesomest people I've ever known. I've got no issues with transgendered individuals, nor do I have any issues with their personal choices. But I have to admit, I would never consider dating or being in a romatic relationship with someone who was a MtF transgendered person. I would not be comfortable with it, plain and simple. It's not something that I can rationalize nor explain easily, it's just the way I feel about it. There is a difference between someone who is born biologically a female and someone who undergoes a transition; whether we want to admit that or not it's true. We need to make a distintion between someone who's personal beliefs dictate a different opinion on the subject and someone who is openly negative about her for who and what she is. One is okay, the other is not. Though I think a lot of what's been thrown against Scarlett comes from people who are uncomfortable with the issue. For a lot of people, gender is something static, something that is clear and defined. When those lines are blurred, for a lot of people that distorts their entire perspective on a range of social and personal issues. It's easier to simply classify Scarlett as a male than actually accept that gender is not necessarily something clear and defined, and the entire shifting of social perspectives that comes along with that acceptance. You know what - TheToast, that is ok if you don't want to be in a romantic relationship with someone in that situation and yes, there are some body differences but my point is - If Donald Trump is now reviewing the Beauty Pageant Rules, for one of the BIGGEST WOMEN (BIOLOGICAL) ONLY things, and there is a transgender competing - Then why should it be looked down upon here? ~~~ Proof: http://jezebel.com/5899035/donald-trump-does-something-okay-for-once-reverses-trans-womans-disqualification-from-pageant
I think you missed my point. It's not a matter of "looking down" on it. No one should be criticising Scarlett for her personal decisions or being who she is. My point is that if someone believes that biology is the primary determining factor in someone's gender--that Scarlett is different from someone who is born female--that's an opinion they have a right to express; as long as they do so respectfully and in the right place and context. (starting gender debates in an LR thread, for example, is not okay) She should still be addressed with the pronouns that she chooses, calling her a "he" or "he/she" is also not aceptable. As long as someone holds to that, I don't have an issue with them expressing their opinions on the subject; whatever they are in contrast to my own.
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So even though I have a schlong, if I use my imagination and think really hard about being a woman. I will be a woman. Give me a break. Kinda delusional in my opinion. If you have a man's body but think/feel like woman, then you are physically a man but with the mentality of a woman, I wouldnt go around calling myself a woman though... DNA says I'm physically a man, even after the operation... I don't know, maybe I try to simplify things into logical sense. I don't care though, really dont. If you want to go vanitizing go ahead.
Summary: Gender is only an issue because of the organizations that promote gender distinctions.
What organization? You mean Nature?
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On April 24 2012 01:39 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 01:23 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On April 24 2012 01:00 Pholon wrote:When you say So Lets Quickly Review What Defines You As Being A "Female":
It SHOULD be defined by HOW you FEEL and HOW you LIVE your life.
It SHOULD be defined by HOW you represent yourself.
It SHOULD be defined by what you IDENTIFY yourself as to everyone else. do you mean these verbs to be conscious acts? (except "feel" I suppose) Yes. In regards to how you feel and how you live your life and how you identify yourself..I think that is both a conscious and subconscious act. It is very hard to explain exactly what I meant there...My apologies for not being able to give a clear answer. On April 24 2012 01:05 TheToast wrote:On April 24 2012 00:23 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On April 24 2012 00:06 SaintBadger wrote:On April 23 2012 23:22 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
It is HOW you see yourself. NOT how others view you!
It SHOULD be defined by HOW you FEEL and HOW you LIVE your life.
First of all, please understand my lexicon on this issue. "Male" and "Female" refer to sex. That is to say Scarlett is a male. I realize there are some aberrational departures from the traditional XX and XY sytem of chromosomes, but we have no reason to believe that is the case in this discussion. "Man" and "Woman" and all their derivatives refer to gender. That is to say, Scarlett is a girl. While it introduces the somewhat awkward context of a "male woman" or a "female man", this vocabulary allows us to clearly move through the issue without having to issue three or four disclaimers after every sentence. If you don't understand the difference between sex and gender, please look it up. In the realm of starcraft, defining gender by how one feels and how one represents his/herself is well and good. The worst that can happen is a debate over legitimacy of female-only tournament entries. If we all take a big step back, I'm sure we can agree that this does not rise to the level of an earth-shattering issue. In the real world, pretending that gender = sex creates quite a few problems. It does not require a lot of imagination to make a list: How about male/female restrooms? No big deal, girls should lighten up if a male woman chooses to use their restroom, right? That is the typical answer by the allegedly enlightened bunch, but it completely ignores the fact that female women have won quite a few astonishingly large judgements from sexual harassment suits on that issue. And we aren't talking 1960 litigation. We're talking 2011. How about sex-based scholarships? Is a male woman eligible for an endowment to a woman's college? Should it be the perrogative of the trustee to decide who is eligible for a scholarship earmarked for women (or perhaps females)? Courts have split on this one, and some fairly ugly litigation is pending at the Supreme Court level. How about marriage? No, not the old same-sex marriage routine. That one has been done. How about failure to disclose transgender status prior to marriage being grounds for annulment if discovered after ceremony? It's happened. And a guy that I feel for ended up paying a lot of alimony as a result. And for those loyal readers who have made it this far, I saved the best for last. During the assembly of the Affordable Care Act (commonly known as Obamacare), there was a suggestion made to add sexual reassignment surgery to the already large list of treatments which are required to be covered by any entity selling health insurance. In laymen's terms, that means that if you or your boss is providing health care for your family, whether you have any desire to change your gender surgically, you would have been required to carry that coverage, pay a commensurate increase in fee, and pay an additional increase to cover sexual reassignment surgery for those who live below the poverty mark. In all fairness, this provision does not appear in the final bill. However, CA and several other states have tried the same thing at the state level. As the OP points out, these surgeries are quite costly. Are we cool with that? Maybe we are; after all, no one relishes the thought of being trapped in a body that doesn't function the way we desire. But it's a whole new ballgame when others are required to pay for it, and it does warrant discussion. THE POINTTaking one's word for it as to which gender he or she identifies with is not an option without some serious discussion and reorgnization of massive areas of our legal framework. I understand how tempting it is to snap back at some idiot who essentially posts 'HURR DURR PENIS!!!!", but be careful. There are those of us who do not subscribe to the "do as you feel" approach who are fairly knowledgable on the subject. To imply that there is nothing to discuss here smacks of an even higher level of ignorance than those who gutcheck a bigoted reaction to the Scarlett story. I can't imagine why this post would warrant a temp ban, but seeing as how they are handed out so easily whenever this subject arises, I'll simply say that I don't play devil's advocate for fun. I work in politics specifically to get these issues addressed and resolved to the best of our collective abilities. I am a fan of Scarlett and hope that she is recognized and remembered for her play, not as a lightning rod for this sort of controversy. Long Live the new Queen of Blades Please do not think, that for one moment I am not saying it shouldn't be discussed. Please do not think that I am saying "do as you feel" approach either. I am simply saying that we, as a community, should try to be more understanding and more welcoming. I would agree with this point. I think individuals are allowed to hold whatever opinions they like on the subject of transgendered individuals, but some of the hatred and outright disrespect that Scarlett has gotten is totally absurd. Whatever one's opinion on the subject, she's still an amazing Starcraft player and deserves to be recognized as such. Many of us knew she was a transgender before it was out in the open and if we, THE FEMALE COMMUNITY, ACCEPTED her as a FELLOW FEMALE, then why can't the rest of you?. This frame of mind that many of you have at this moment could end up making this such a nasty community to be a part of or it could even just hurt the goal of helping expand E-Sports. What makes her so different? So what if she was born differently! We all were born differently! I think we need to make a distinction between those who have contrary opinion on the subject, and those who have openly disrespected her or spread hatred. If someone's personal or religious beliefs lead them to believe that biology is the ultimate determining factor in certain aspects of gender; they are well within their rights to express that opinion. The world would be supremely boring if everyone had the same set of opinions on every issue. But there's a time and a place for expressing those opinions, and there's certainly a very clear line between expressing one's views on a topic and inciting hatred of an individual because of their personal choices. I think we also need to accept that while Scarlett may be mentally a female, there's a difference between a biological female and a transgendered individual. I've known a number of transgendered people in my life, including one ftm individual who was seriously one of the nicest and awesomest people I've ever known. I've got no issues with transgendered individuals, nor do I have any issues with their personal choices. But I have to admit, I would never consider dating or being in a romatic relationship with someone who was a MtF transgendered person. I would not be comfortable with it, plain and simple. It's not something that I can rationalize nor explain easily, it's just the way I feel about it. There is a difference between someone who is born biologically a female and someone who undergoes a transition; whether we want to admit that or not it's true. We need to make a distintion between someone who's personal beliefs dictate a different opinion on the subject and someone who is openly negative about her for who and what she is. One is okay, the other is not. Though I think a lot of what's been thrown against Scarlett comes from people who are uncomfortable with the issue. For a lot of people, gender is something static, something that is clear and defined. When those lines are blurred, for a lot of people that distorts their entire perspective on a range of social and personal issues. It's easier to simply classify Scarlett as a male than actually accept that gender is not necessarily something clear and defined, and the entire shifting of social perspectives that comes along with that acceptance. You know what - TheToast, that is ok if you don't want to be in a romantic relationship with someone in that situation and yes, there are some body differences but my point is - If Donald Trump is now reviewing the Beauty Pageant Rules, for one of the BIGGEST WOMEN (BIOLOGICAL) ONLY things, and there is a transgender competing - Then why should it be looked down upon here? ~~~ Proof: http://jezebel.com/5899035/donald-trump-does-something-okay-for-once-reverses-trans-womans-disqualification-from-pageant I think you missed my point. It's not a matter of "looking down" on it. No one should be criticising Scarlett for her personal decisions or being who she is. My point is that if someone believes that biology is the primary determining factor in someone's gender--that Scarlett is different from someone who is born female--that's an opinion they have a right to express; as long as they do so respectfully and in the right place and context. (starting gender debates in an LR thread, for example, is not okay) She should still be addressed with the pronouns that she chooses, calling her a "he" or "he/she" is also not aceptable. As long as someone holds to that, I don't have an issue with them expressing their opinions on the subject; whatever they are in contrast to my own.
Oh I completely agree with you! My biggest problem with all of this - are those that call her "he" or do the "he/she" crap..And even those who look down upon her, give her crap for it in a rude way and even just sit there and refuse to be mature about the whole thing! ^^
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Show nested quote +Summary: Gender is only an issue because of the organizations that promote gender distinctions. What organization? You mean Nature?
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I agree with Tesla. I don't think it's right to judge Scarlett negatively for working towards being the person she feels she is. She's an incredible player, and seems like a very friendly person. In the end, aren't those the two qualities that matter?
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On April 24 2012 01:51 Spikeke wrote:
DNA says I'm physically a man, even after the operation...
Well, after the development of an organism, DNA's role is to act as a set of blueprints for the formation of proteins. So what if, by an artificial process, someone supresses the formation of female specific proteins like estrogine and instead supplies their body with male protiens such as testoterone? That's essentially what hormone therapy is. If DNA is all that matters, and you take it out of the equation by reversing the processes that it controls, doesn't that mean the person is then female?
You see, the issue is far more complicated than a simple black and white explanation.
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Man I didn't know about the formal term "Transgender" until I read the news here on TL. I'm well aware of these people and their lifestyles and it doesn't bother in the slightest bit. So when I read through some of these posts and see how this subject seems so sensitive it's a real shock.
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On April 24 2012 01:38 GlintFox wrote:
Well heres my opinion; There are some advantages to being a male in, say ironlady, males have more Testosterone which makes you more competitive. Take that how you will.
Okay that's not an opinion that's a questionable assertion about reality that you can test and experiment. That has nothing to do with personal preference. Also, being more competitive would not make you better at Starcraft, it would simply make you more interested in playing.
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On April 24 2012 00:01 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't really understand what it means to "feel" like a woman. It's a purely social concept as far as I know, that women are this way and men are that way. I have no problem having feminine qualities as a man. Who cares? The whole masculine/feminine business is blatantly sexist.
So personally I'm very confused on what transgender even means. I don't have any transgender friends. I don't really get it. Your post really doesn't clarify that issue for me. I assume there is more to it than I'm seeing, but I don't know what that is.
I certainly don't think anything should be that exclusionary of course. If she wants me call her a girl and be treated like a girl then more power to her. There's no reason to discriminate or anything.
People who don't understand what being trans means always make these posts.
Even if all of a sudden "gender norms" were suddenly flopped all the way around, trans individuals would still want to be the opposite sex, because they feel as if they literally do not "fit" in their own body and that it is wrong for them. Imagine (no, really imagine) that one day you wake up as a girl, and ask yourself how much gender dysphoria you would experience. Some people don't attach any sort of identity to being either a guy or a gal and would be fine with this scenario, because it doesn't matter to them, but some people do to varying degrees, and to grossly simplify it because I don't want to spend forever explaining this concept to people who don't care to research it themselves, it's like reaching down and trying to find a dick you think you should have, but then all you do is discover every time it's not there, or it's like being absolutely disgusted with your dick because it shouldn't be there in the first place.
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People who don't understand what being trans means always make these posts.
Did you miss the line where I said "I don't even know what transgender means"?
So what if I imagine such an instance and don't experience any gender dysphoria? What do I do then? The description you give afterward has little weight. But I have heard that description before. Maybe I'll look into it later.
The real issue though is that transgendered are treated like crap a lot of the time and that's completely unacceptable.
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On April 24 2012 03:55 DoubleReed wrote:Did you miss the line where I said "I don't even know what transgender means"? So what if I imagine such an instance and don't experience any gender dysphoria? What do I do then? The description you give afterward has little weight. But I have heard that description before. Maybe I'll look into it later. The real issue though is that transgendered are treated like crap a lot of the time and that's completely unacceptable.
I was using you as an example since a ton of people say the same thing, that it's dependent on the society and the gender norms that are drilled into our heads, that it's sexist, when it has less to do with "gender norms" or "behavior" or whatever and more to do with dysphoria and feeling highly uncomfortable in your own skin. If you don't think you'd be at all bothered by waking up as the opposite sex one day, then as I've said that's fine, that part of yourself is not as important to you, but that's not the same for other people, and you should recognize that, and yes, if you're interested in educating yourself on the subject instead of simply saying, "I don't understand," please go look into descriptions of experiences by trans people themselves. They are everywhere on the internet.
Yes, trans people are treated like crap everywhere. They are treated like crap even in a lot of gay/lesbian/bi circles. (Kind of like how bisexuals were treated like crap by the LG circle for a long time too, but trans people get it even worse in most cases.) Truth is, if you are entirely cis, then you won't ever fully understand what being trans means, because it is outside of your experience, but the least you can do is educate yourself about the subject.
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On April 24 2012 03:55 DoubleReed wrote:So what if I imagine such an instance and don't experience any gender dysphoria? What do I do then?
Then you do like I do: admit you don't understand it, ignore the people posting that it is absolutely imperative that you must understand how it feels, and treat those who live with this condition with civility. We can talk all we want, but at the end of the day, if you don't experience the feeling, referring to that feeling a thousand different ways does nothing.
Like I posted above, if you've never been in love before, the actions of someone who is might look crazy. But love is real and we don't medicate people and tell them to ignore it. And we certainly don't hate them for it.
On April 24 2012 04:14 babylon wrote:
the least you can do is educate yourself about the subject.
The least you can do is approach people who are transgendered with civility and compassion. I don't have to research what skin pigmentation to be able to appreciate people of other races, so I don't see why I'd have to research gender dysphoria to appreciate transgendered people.
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On April 24 2012 00:01 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't really understand what it means to "feel" like a woman. It's a purely social concept as far as I know, that women are this way and men are that way. I have no problem having feminine qualities as a man. Who cares? The whole masculine/feminine business is blatantly sexist.
So personally I'm very confused on what transgender even means. I don't have any transgender friends. I don't really get it. Your post really doesn't clarify that issue for me. I assume there is more to it than I'm seeing, but I don't know what that is.
To people who aren't trans, it must feel like being a certain gender doesn't have a feel to it, and yes, it's a lot like breathing in that sense. Being able to breathe doesn't make you happy, but not being able to is suffocating.
Trans people just want to escape that "suffocation" or gender dysphoria that causes more or less severe depression, anxiety, panic attacks, insomnia, stomachaches and whatnot else (the symptoms vary from individual to individual) due to not being able to identify with whom they see in the mirror, with their voice, with their expected gender roles, due to how others treat them and due to not being able to freely be who they are, often not even within the walls of their own house.
Trans people really just want to finally live in peace.
As for those who do not want to be in a relationship with someone who's trans, that's fine, you don't have to.
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On April 24 2012 00:01 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't really understand what it means to "feel" like a woman. It's a purely social concept as far as I know, that women are this way and men are that way. I have no problem having feminine qualities as a man. Who cares?
I agree absolutely with this section of DoubleReed's post. Would a transgendered person know what it feels like to be both male and female, like sort of a mature onset gender confusion? If so, I can see how an individual could go from feeling male to feeling female or visa-versa. If not, when you're born feeling "confused" about gender, what is the the baseline against which an individual feels like they were born the wrong sex?
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Babylon, if my behavior towards transgendered individuals does not change after researching the idea, why would it be so imperative that I look it up? Why is "I don't understand" a bad answer, when I may never understand?
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I don't agree with most of OP's points at all basically. Besides that, if anyone involved is fine with it, it should be definitely fine for those who have nothing to do with the topic. This means, I have no problem with her playing in a female sc league. Just as I don't have a problem with gay marriage. It's not my toast so why would I feel offended? Right, there is no reason.
But to clarify: She is indeed a male person, because your genetics make you a male or a woman. Your feelings have nothing to do with your gender.
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On April 24 2012 04:50 DoubleReed wrote:
Babylon, if my behavior towards transgendered individuals does not change after researching the idea, why would it be so imperative that I look it up? Why is "I don't understand" a bad answer, when I may never understand?
a.) Because learning new shit is good, and hearing/reading new perspectives is good.
b.) Because you say you don't understand then proceed to expound upon the subject and offer your opinion on it after you have already admitted you don't know wtf you are talking about. It's like me saying, "Oh, I don't play LoL, but LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE GAME ANYWAYS." You can see how this can be mildly irritating, esp. since this behavior is so unavoidable.
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On April 24 2012 01:38 GlintFox wrote:
Well heres my opinion; There are some advantages to being a male in, say ironlady, males have more Testosterone which makes you more competitive. Take that how you will. Now your philosophy of what makes a woman and what doesn't will be argued by many people. For example say Scarlett robs a bank. Just because he has the frame of a woman and repersents himself as a woman does not mean shit to the court system. He will go to MALE prison. In which all of your points are moot. Now I'm not without empathy despite having an apathetic outlook on this. I think people should let others live with whatever sexual identity they want. Tourny-wise it comes down to the admins and players of said tournament to make the decision based on the qualification. Scarlett, for example knows and accept this, he also knows that trolls are likely to run rampant. What I think are worse are the internet white knights that are feeding everything and banning/downvoting everyone that says ANYTHING about it or uses the noun "he" instead of "her". In the end it doesnt matter what one says or does, especially on the internet regarding this issue. I see it as a content of the player, and I would be more concerned about my strategies vs her/him than how they live their life at the end of the day. However being as biased to shut down other opinions that are not yours makes you just as bad as the people youre aiming this at. Let live, and drone.
User was warned for this post
Okay, let's get some fucking facts straight:
- Females can be competitive, and have competitive attitudes. In fact, I would say we're just as competitive as guys.
- Not everyone who defends Scarlett, or a female over the internet is a "White Knight". There are guys who (gasp!) stick up for other guys, and get called "dickriders". That's wrong.
- Teamliquid.net and it's moderators reserve the right to warn/ban people who deliberately ignore posted warnings not troll progamers, and Scarlett is a progamer.
- Nobody is "shutting down other opinions". Everyone who got warned/banned still has their opinion, but TL just doesn't want that posted here, because it's needlessly abrasive.
- Gender issues can be confusing, so let me make this simple: Scarlett is a girl, the end.
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