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[EURO 2016] Semi Finals - Page 2
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bObaZ
Portugal864 Posts
We'll win this Euro Cup without winning a single game in 90'. It is known... | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7427 Posts
On July 05 2016 20:36 Sent. wrote: It's still hard to believe Portugal and Wales made it to the top 4 We need "Best of X's" - positives: moar games, more deserved, diverse tactics/ line-ups - negatives: may be too tough on the body/ injurys | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On July 05 2016 20:43 Harris1st wrote: We need "Best of X's" - positives: moar games, more deserved, diverse tactics/ line-ups - negatives: may be too tough on the body/ injurys Honestly I think the best possible format for the Euro (and even World Cup) would be a double-elimination format with no group stages. It would give interesting storylines (the favorite who lost in the first match but then went on a rampage in the losers' bracket, etc), we wouldn't have bland group stages matches where a team tries to get a draw because they can qualify with three draws in three matches, we could have big teams playing each other early on (à la Italy vs Spain, Italy vs Germany) without losing a favorite as early as the Ro16/8, teams that look promising but have a bad day (Croatia, England, ...) could have a chance to redeem themselves, etc. Sadly I think it would be impossible to use such a format because you'd have one guaranteed Grand Finals and one additional hypothetical Grand Finals, and I don't think the football world is flexible enough to handle that. | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
If anything, Portugal have been unlucky: no striker has showed up since Pauleta (we're a much smaller nation than Spain, Germany, Italy, France, England, not as large a talent pool) so we're forced to play a goofy tactic with two wingers upfront, Ronaldo has missed goals where he usually scores, referees forgave a penalty in each of the Croatia and Poland games, Hungary Lamparded their way into a lucky 3-3 draw in the group stages. Had Ronaldo been his usual self in front of goal and had referees awarded those penalties, the games would have been much different. Finally, blame the "four best 3rds go through" rule since it awards more conservative play in group stages. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4558 Posts
I'm pretty butthurt that Belgium had to play without Thomas Vermaelen vs Wales. We had no suitable replacement and it cost us. Now Wales will have to play in the semis without Ramsey/Davies and Germany has to play without Hummels. I suppose it adds an advantage to teams with a better bench, e.g. all around better teams. Still think it's a shit rule. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4558 Posts
On July 05 2016 21:45 Pandemona wrote: They did it to stop anyone getting the card in the semi finals that would ban them for the finals (excluding red cards of course) but what it does it make the Group Stage Game 1 > Quarter Final where you need 2 yellow cards for a suspension which is daft! Should be 3 if they doing it for that length of time. I mean in fairness you could get booked matchday 1, score a winner in quarter final take your shirt off and get the 2nd yellow to ban you! Yeah I'm on board with the cards being forfeited after semis. It's the entire principle of "2 yellows -> sit out" that I'm against  3 cards seems better for a tourney that has a round of 16. How does the WC do it? If the finals turns out to be Portugal - France I would say the rule has influenced the tournament way too much. But again - butthurt and biased, just wondering what other think. edit: looked it up myself, WC has the same rules. Meh. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On July 05 2016 19:39 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: with all due respect, its unbelievable that Portugal is going to be in the finals after placing 3rd in groups and barely winning the games they won, while Italy or Germany/France is out o_O As retarded as it is i'm still hoping for Wales to make a miracle. If Portugal reaches the final, they can thank Iceland's Traustason for scoring the winning goal in 90+4 minute against Austria that bumped Portugal down from 2nd in group to 3rd, putting Portugal in the "easy" side of the bracket. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7427 Posts
On July 05 2016 21:50 Laurens wrote: Yeah I'm on board with the cards being forfeited after semis. It's the entire principle of "2 yellows -> sit out" that I'm against 3 cards seems better for a tourney that has a round of 16. How does the WC do it? If the finals turns out to be Portugal - France I would say the rule has influenced the tournament way too much. But again - butthurt and biased, just wondering what other think. edit: looked it up myself, WC has the same rules. Meh. I'm only butthurt that 2 (Özil, Hummels 1st) of the 5 yellows Germany got before quarterfinals were totally undeserved (while other clubs should have gotten way more yellows). Just your everyday ref bashing ^-^ | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On July 05 2016 20:54 OtherWorld wrote: Honestly I think the best possible format for the Euro (and even World Cup) would be a double-elimination format with no group stages. It would give interesting storylines (the favorite who lost in the first match but then went on a rampage in the losers' bracket, etc), we wouldn't have bland group stages matches where a team tries to get a draw because they can qualify with three draws in three matches, we could have big teams playing each other early on (à la Italy vs Spain, Italy vs Germany) without losing a favorite as early as the Ro16/8, teams that look promising but have a bad day (Croatia, England, ...) could have a chance to redeem themselves, etc. Sadly I think it would be impossible to use such a format because you'd have one guaranteed Grand Finals and one additional hypothetical Grand Finals, and I don't think the football world is flexible enough to handle that. I think the main problem with football and double elimination is that it would actually increase the overall duration of the tournament. Teams should get at least 3 rest days between games in average (not factoring in the fact that you would still only have one game at a time because of tv coverage). Additionally, starting a 32 team double elimination bracket could mean that a team plays up to 10 (?) total games, 3 more than right now. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
Do you even realize what this means in sports? Just consider the example: A fully fit Italian team vs a very very very tired Germany team. It would make the worst finals ever. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On July 05 2016 23:43 Mafe wrote: I think the main problem with football and double elimination is that it would actually increase the overall duration of the tournament. Teams should get at least 3 rest days between games in average (not factoring in the fact that you would still only have one game at a time because of tv coverage). Additionally, starting a 32 team double elimination bracket could mean that a team plays up to 10 (?) total games, 3 more than right now. Assuming we come back to 16 teams, a double-elim bracket would give us 30 games, one less than with the 2012 format. The winner bracket's team would play 4 games before the Grand Finals (5 in 2012), and the loser's bracket team would play 5 to 7 games before the Grand Finals, which should lead to more than 3 rest days between games with a well-scheduled thing. On July 06 2016 00:01 sharkie wrote: Double elimination would be pointless. The winner of the upper bracket played less than half the games the loser did. Do you even realize what this means in sports? Just consider the example: A fully fit Italian team vs a very very very tired Germany team. It would make the worst finals ever. The winner of the upper bracket would play between 60 and 80% of the games the loser did (4 vs 5-7). It's a big advantage, but the upper bracket team has to have an advantage. And tbh, finals always suck anyways. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
Group stage: 60 minute matches, 2 days rest for each team inbetween matches. 4 groups of 6 teams, only the top two advance for quarter finals. Winning becomes extra incentivized, few teams would risk playing for a draw. Knock out rounds: normal 90 minutes. Sub limit is removed at extra time, but at 90th, 105h, and 120th minute each team has to take out one of their players. After the 120 minutes, if the teams remain drawn, they play for sudden death. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
The real final has already happened: Germany x Italy. The remaining matches are mere formality! | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Basically starting PD3 you have teams eliminted and not caring about their games anymore. PD4+PD5 you will rarely find a match with both teams even trying. People complained about meaningless matches in the current format and then suggest 6 team groups... yeah, sure! | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
germans's gonna dominate the midfield like 2014, and it's probably gonna end like 2-0 for germany | ||
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