After an emotional round of 16 for certain countries, the Quarter Finals are now approaching and lets dive into the games and see whats what! Poland vs Portugal Result - Portugal Win 5-4 Penalties Prediction - Portugal Win 2-1 Wales vs Belgium Result - Wales 3-1 Belgium Prediction - Belgium 2-0 Wales Germany vs Italy Result - Germany Win 6-5 Penalties Prediction - Italy win on Penalties France vs Iceland Result - France 5-2 Iceland Prediction - France 3-1 Iceland
Strike Rate of Teams Through - 50% 2/4 games correct 0/8 games perfect score
Semi Finals
Wednesday, Jul 06 7:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Wales have managed to defy logic and reach a semi final of a tournament for their first time in history and what a story they are making for the valleys to speak of. Lead by Bale who is having a great tournament and with a solid back 5 consisting of the solid Ashley Williams they have shown great determination in getting this far in the tournament. How this has happened baffles my logic though especially after the England game but still, sour grapes and what not right. Portugal have not been beaten this competition of course some might say but they also have failed to win a match in 90 minutes this tournament too, quite crazy. However they are here, in the semi finals taking on an opponent on paper they will feel like they can beat and in fairness should beat. The front 2 of Portugal are looking a bit better with every game they play, Ronaldo has been missing many chances he normally puts away but Nani is showing signs he can still do it and might forcing himself back into the premier league with his form. This game is probably going to boil down to who takes their chances, Portugal will have the majority of the ball as they are good passing unit, where as Wales do most of their work when they counter a team through Bale and co. If Portugal take their chances they should progress but if they stutter in front of goal like they have been doing, you can see Bale taking his chances and sending Wales to a grand final of an international competition for the first time ever.
Referee - Jonas Eriksson
Prediction Portugal 2-0 Wales
Thursday, Jul 07 7:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Germany vs France has the potential to thrill on Thursday. The hosts taking on the now favourites Germany after scraping through the Italians on Saturday in what was a very strategic affair and you have to credit Low with how he handled Don Conte's side. Switching his German side to a 3-5-2 as well to go head to head with the Italians it looked like a masterclass and tactical genius move when his side went ahead 1-0 in a game of very few chances, however after Boateng went "full foreigner" and gave away the cheapest of penalties, back came Italy to take the game into extra time. Few chances for either side in extra time before the most bizarre of Penalty shootouts you will ever see, which saw obviously the German's advancing. France had a much more easy affair when they took on the Icelandics in Paris in what was a true David vs Goliath affair, however this time the footballing giant's of France won comfortably and ended the Icelandic fairy tale. In some style i might add too, conceded a couple of goals but looked pretty good going forward and took their chances which is what they will need to do in this semi final too. As i said in the previous round preview, Greizmann is well and truly in form now and is the tournaments top goal scorer and firing on all cylinders, Pogba too now stepping up and making that French midfield look pretty good. Germany come into this missing a few players, Gomez Basti, Khedira are out and weaken the German attack and midfield significantly. Add in that the Bayern legend Hummels is suspended as well, they are coming into this very battered after the Italian game. Which is surely advantage hosts France who 2 years ago in Brazil took the Germans very close as it was in the quarter final there. Hard game to call now with the Germany injury/suspension list but...
Referee - Nicola Rizzoli
Prediction Germany 1-0 France Semi Final time, the ultimate crushing experience, so close to that grand final, defeat here leaves you hurting! CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Pictures: Sneirac
This is Portugal's fourth semifinal in five Euro's and experience at this stage should count, so I'm absolutely confident that we'll demolish Wales on the penalty shootout after a 1-1 over 120 minutes.
I have to say that you missed out on Ramsey, who was probably the best player on the pitch against Belgium. And honestly as cute as the story of Robson Kanu's heroics is if a defense that contains Pepe gets turned like that I will consider all the money I bet on Portugal money well spent in jinxing them but I find it somewhat unlikely.
Still lets go Gareth Wales !
Germany missing Hummels. And not im not sure how Germany well germany will do without a genuine number 9. Probably fine but for all the shit I and others give Gomes he has been important to this iteration of the side atleast.
France hasn't played a single good team this tournament, Germany has played Poland and Italy already. The fatigue factor might play against the Germans though... I like that Deschamps found some kind of balance between 3 DMs and offense, now they have a DM playing on the wing! But it's still much more offensive than before, and Griezmann finally put behind the CL finals (and the long season), while Germany's offense doesn't look so scary, especially without Gomez. For me it's a 55/45 for Germany because of experience and talent.
Portugal-Wales is going to be another borefest I'm afraid, 120mn at least, Portugal will win because it's already written.
Wales has a strong midfield that con move the ball around, fast wingers, and a high-pressure game that will make Portugal very uncomfortable. Strong team play is much more important than having a few good players and I consider them favorites over Portugal. Hopefully they can replace Ramsey.
France vs Germany is gonna be close. I guess Muller can play as striker and they can bring in another top notch midfielder?
I can see France beating Germany cause of injuries and what not. Giroud and Greizmann look miles better than Thomas Müller and that could very well make the difference.
I fear that Wales-Portugal will be a snoozefest. Obviously cheering for Wales.
Our team is not solid enough and altho they are "friends" they don't trully play team ball !
Looking purely on talent and considering Ronaldo > Bale and Wales is without Ramsey i think we are better in all positions and should win... but this is football so lets wait and see
with all due respect, its unbelievable that Portugal is going to be in the finals after placing 3rd in groups and barely winning the games they won, while Italy or Germany/France is out o_O As retarded as it is i'm still hoping for Wales to make a miracle.
On July 05 2016 20:36 Sent. wrote: It's still hard to believe Portugal and Wales made it to the top 4
We need "Best of X's"
- positives: moar games, more deserved, diverse tactics/ line-ups
- negatives: may be too tough on the body/ injurys
Honestly I think the best possible format for the Euro (and even World Cup) would be a double-elimination format with no group stages. It would give interesting storylines (the favorite who lost in the first match but then went on a rampage in the losers' bracket, etc), we wouldn't have bland group stages matches where a team tries to get a draw because they can qualify with three draws in three matches, we could have big teams playing each other early on (à la Italy vs Spain, Italy vs Germany) without losing a favorite as early as the Ro16/8, teams that look promising but have a bad day (Croatia, England, ...) could have a chance to redeem themselves, etc.
Sadly I think it would be impossible to use such a format because you'd have one guaranteed Grand Finals and one additional hypothetical Grand Finals, and I don't think the football world is flexible enough to handle that.
People may not like the play style of Portugal vs Poland or Croatia and they may not sympathize, to put it mildly, with the likes of Pepe or Cristiano Ronaldo. However, looking at the five games so far, I don't think it can be said that Portugal were lucky to go through - no opponent so far was superior to Portugal and no game was won against the odds. Analyse the squads and Portugal has a clearly superior squad to every single opponent. Four semi-finals in five editions people.
If anything, Portugal have been unlucky: no striker has showed up since Pauleta (we're a much smaller nation than Spain, Germany, Italy, France, England, not as large a talent pool) so we're forced to play a goofy tactic with two wingers upfront, Ronaldo has missed goals where he usually scores, referees forgave a penalty in each of the Croatia and Poland games, Hungary Lamparded their way into a lucky 3-3 draw in the group stages. Had Ronaldo been his usual self in front of goal and had referees awarded those penalties, the games would have been much different.
Finally, blame the "four best 3rds go through" rule since it awards more conservative play in group stages.
They did it to stop anyone getting the card in the semi finals that would ban them for the finals (excluding red cards of course) but what it does it make the Group Stage Game 1 > Quarter Final where you need 2 yellow cards for a suspension which is daft! Should be 3 if they doing it for that length of time. I mean in fairness you could get booked matchday 1, score a winner in quarter final take your shirt off and get the 2nd yellow to ban you!
On July 05 2016 21:45 Pandemona wrote: They did it to stop anyone getting the card in the semi finals that would ban them for the finals (excluding red cards of course) but what it does it make the Group Stage Game 1 > Quarter Final where you need 2 yellow cards for a suspension which is daft! Should be 3 if they doing it for that length of time. I mean in fairness you could get booked matchday 1, score a winner in quarter final take your shirt off and get the 2nd yellow to ban you!
Yeah I'm on board with the cards being forfeited after semis. It's the entire principle of "2 yellows -> sit out" that I'm against
3 cards seems better for a tourney that has a round of 16. How does the WC do it?
If the finals turns out to be Portugal - France I would say the rule has influenced the tournament way too much.
But again - butthurt and biased, just wondering what other think.
edit: looked it up myself, WC has the same rules. Meh.
On July 05 2016 19:39 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: with all due respect, its unbelievable that Portugal is going to be in the finals after placing 3rd in groups and barely winning the games they won, while Italy or Germany/France is out o_O As retarded as it is i'm still hoping for Wales to make a miracle.
If Portugal reaches the final, they can thank Iceland's Traustason for scoring the winning goal in 90+4 minute against Austria that bumped Portugal down from 2nd in group to 3rd, putting Portugal in the "easy" side of the bracket.
On July 05 2016 21:45 Pandemona wrote: They did it to stop anyone getting the card in the semi finals that would ban them for the finals (excluding red cards of course) but what it does it make the Group Stage Game 1 > Quarter Final where you need 2 yellow cards for a suspension which is daft! Should be 3 if they doing it for that length of time. I mean in fairness you could get booked matchday 1, score a winner in quarter final take your shirt off and get the 2nd yellow to ban you!
Yeah I'm on board with the cards being forfeited after semis. It's the entire principle of "2 yellows -> sit out" that I'm against
3 cards seems better for a tourney that has a round of 16. How does the WC do it?
If the finals turns out to be Portugal - France I would say the rule has influenced the tournament way too much.
But again - butthurt and biased, just wondering what other think.
edit: looked it up myself, WC has the same rules. Meh.
I'm only butthurt that 2 (Özil, Hummels 1st) of the 5 yellows Germany got before quarterfinals were totally undeserved (while other clubs should have gotten way more yellows).
On July 05 2016 20:36 Sent. wrote: It's still hard to believe Portugal and Wales made it to the top 4
We need "Best of X's"
- positives: moar games, more deserved, diverse tactics/ line-ups
- negatives: may be too tough on the body/ injurys
Honestly I think the best possible format for the Euro (and even World Cup) would be a double-elimination format with no group stages. It would give interesting storylines (the favorite who lost in the first match but then went on a rampage in the losers' bracket, etc), we wouldn't have bland group stages matches where a team tries to get a draw because they can qualify with three draws in three matches, we could have big teams playing each other early on (à la Italy vs Spain, Italy vs Germany) without losing a favorite as early as the Ro16/8, teams that look promising but have a bad day (Croatia, England, ...) could have a chance to redeem themselves, etc.
Sadly I think it would be impossible to use such a format because you'd have one guaranteed Grand Finals and one additional hypothetical Grand Finals, and I don't think the football world is flexible enough to handle that.
I think the main problem with football and double elimination is that it would actually increase the overall duration of the tournament. Teams should get at least 3 rest days between games in average (not factoring in the fact that you would still only have one game at a time because of tv coverage). Additionally, starting a 32 team double elimination bracket could mean that a team plays up to 10 (?) total games, 3 more than right now.
Double elimination would be pointless. The winner of the upper bracket played less than half the games the loser did. Do you even realize what this means in sports?
Just consider the example: A fully fit Italian team vs a very very very tired Germany team. It would make the worst finals ever.
On July 05 2016 20:36 Sent. wrote: It's still hard to believe Portugal and Wales made it to the top 4
We need "Best of X's"
- positives: moar games, more deserved, diverse tactics/ line-ups
- negatives: may be too tough on the body/ injurys
Honestly I think the best possible format for the Euro (and even World Cup) would be a double-elimination format with no group stages. It would give interesting storylines (the favorite who lost in the first match but then went on a rampage in the losers' bracket, etc), we wouldn't have bland group stages matches where a team tries to get a draw because they can qualify with three draws in three matches, we could have big teams playing each other early on (à la Italy vs Spain, Italy vs Germany) without losing a favorite as early as the Ro16/8, teams that look promising but have a bad day (Croatia, England, ...) could have a chance to redeem themselves, etc.
Sadly I think it would be impossible to use such a format because you'd have one guaranteed Grand Finals and one additional hypothetical Grand Finals, and I don't think the football world is flexible enough to handle that.
I think the main problem with football and double elimination is that it would actually increase the overall duration of the tournament. Teams should get at least 3 rest days between games in average (not factoring in the fact that you would still only have one game at a time because of tv coverage). Additionally, starting a 32 team double elimination bracket could mean that a team plays up to 10 (?) total games, 3 more than right now.
Assuming we come back to 16 teams, a double-elim bracket would give us 30 games, one less than with the 2012 format. The winner bracket's team would play 4 games before the Grand Finals (5 in 2012), and the loser's bracket team would play 5 to 7 games before the Grand Finals, which should lead to more than 3 rest days between games with a well-scheduled thing.
On July 06 2016 00:01 sharkie wrote: Double elimination would be pointless. The winner of the upper bracket played less than half the games the loser did. Do you even realize what this means in sports?
Just consider the example: A fully fit Italian team vs a very very very tired Germany team. It would make the worst finals ever.
The winner of the upper bracket would play between 60 and 80% of the games the loser did (4 vs 5-7). It's a big advantage, but the upper bracket team has to have an advantage. And tbh, finals always suck anyways.
Yeah as much as the double elimination bracket would affect losers, it still is worth an option to explore as group games as said give silly games and pointless ones too, where straight knock out always gives crazy games and knockout football is truly the best. I wouldn't mind seeing a Euro or World Cup do it for one round. Also means we get big games from day 1 right until grand finals.
i dont think anyone wants a team to have a huge advantage in sports. i mean sometimes that cant be helped ie a bo7 someone has to get 4 games at home, but i think having played 1 to 3 games less in a game like soccer? that's too much advantage for me. that's so much more chances to get injured etc.
Group stage: 60 minute matches, 2 days rest for each team inbetween matches. 4 groups of 6 teams, only the top two advance for quarter finals. Winning becomes extra incentivized, few teams would risk playing for a draw.
Knock out rounds: normal 90 minutes. Sub limit is removed at extra time, but at 90th, 105h, and 120th minute each team has to take out one of their players. After the 120 minutes, if the teams remain drawn, they play for sudden death.
Basically starting PD3 you have teams eliminted and not caring about their games anymore. PD4+PD5 you will rarely find a match with both teams even trying. People complained about meaningless matches in the current format and then suggest 6 team groups... yeah, sure!
On July 06 2016 02:09 Makro wrote: germany vs france is gonna be remake of 2014 but with one more goal since our defense is terribad (lot of injuries, as for germany but worse)
germans's gonna dominate the midfield like 2014, and it's probably gonna end like 2-0 for germany
On July 05 2016 21:20 warding wrote: People may not like the play style of Portugal vs Poland or Croatia and they may not sympathize, to put it mildly, with the likes of Pepe or Cristiano Ronaldo. However, looking at the five games so far, I don't think it can be said that Portugal were lucky to go through - no opponent so far was superior to Portugal and no game was won against the odds. Analyse the squads and Portugal has a clearly superior squad to every single opponent. Four semi-finals in five editions people.
If anything, Portugal have been unlucky: no striker has showed up since Pauleta (we're a much smaller nation than Spain, Germany, Italy, France, England, not as large a talent pool) so we're forced to play a goofy tactic with two wingers upfront, Ronaldo has missed goals where he usually scores, referees forgave a penalty in each of the Croatia and Poland games, Hungary Lamparded their way into a lucky 3-3 draw in the group stages. Had Ronaldo been his usual self in front of goal and had referees awarded those penalties, the games would have been much different.
Finally, blame the "four best 3rds go through" rule since it awards more conservative play in group stages.
Really? clearly superior squad to Croatia? I agree with the rest of your post - ronaldo has missed a couple should-be goals, you've been denied a clear penalty, you were kinda unlucky in all three group stage games. I haven't been impressed by Portugal in nearly the same way I have been by Germany or France, but from my perspective, they've kinda been a less clinical italy during game time (and more clinical during extra time and penalties).
What everyone is doing to Renato Sanches is a fucking disgrace.. people should be ashamed of raising doubt about this kid.
I won't say it's because of race, altho if he was white this would never happen, but watch this movie and tell me if Renato is 3 or 5 years older then the other kids?
This kid doesn't deserve this..
This started because of Sporting, Benfica's rival wanted to win at all costs.. in the end Benfica still won and the kid kept on growing !
He is going to be a huge star and bayern got a few more million fans
On July 05 2016 21:20 warding wrote: People may not like the play style of Portugal vs Poland or Croatia and they may not sympathize, to put it mildly, with the likes of Pepe or Cristiano Ronaldo. However, looking at the five games so far, I don't think it can be said that Portugal were lucky to go through - no opponent so far was superior to Portugal and no game was won against the odds. Analyse the squads and Portugal has a clearly superior squad to every single opponent. Four semi-finals in five editions people.
If anything, Portugal have been unlucky: no striker has showed up since Pauleta (we're a much smaller nation than Spain, Germany, Italy, France, England, not as large a talent pool) so we're forced to play a goofy tactic with two wingers upfront, Ronaldo has missed goals where he usually scores, referees forgave a penalty in each of the Croatia and Poland games, Hungary Lamparded their way into a lucky 3-3 draw in the group stages. Had Ronaldo been his usual self in front of goal and had referees awarded those penalties, the games would have been much different.
Finally, blame the "four best 3rds go through" rule since it awards more conservative play in group stages.
Really? clearly superior squad to Croatia? I agree with the rest of your post - ronaldo has missed a couple should-be goals, you've been denied a clear penalty, you were kinda unlucky in all three group stage games. I haven't been impressed by Portugal in nearly the same way I have been by Germany or France, but from my perspective, they've kinda been a less clinical italy during game time (and more clinical during extra time and penalties).
I took the opportunity to check the transfermarkt market value of the 11+3 players each team fielded in their games:
Rui Patricio - 14M Pepe - 6M José Fonte - 5M Raphael Guerreiro - 9M Cristiano Ronaldo - 110M João Mário - 20M William Carvalho - 26M André Gomes - 20M Nani - 14.5M Cedric - 11M Adrien Silva - 18M
Danilo - 12M Renato Sanches - 20M Quaresma - 4M
Total: 289,5 M
Of course these values are not immune to criticism. Cristiano is an outlier and he may not be worth 110M at his age but he is one of top 5 footballers ever (at least). I also doubt someone would pay 50M for Modric at 30yo. Renato Sanches is valued at 20M despite just having been transferred for 35M+. Either way, when you look at each team player for player, you will find that Portugal does have a more talented and valuable squad.
The bias against this perception is that there are a lot of up and coming talents in the Portuguese team that have only come to prominence this year: Raphael Guerreiro will establish himself as a world class LB at Dortmund, Danilo, William Carvalho and João Mário should and will move on to top tier teams in the coming years and establish themselves as world class midfielders. Renato Sanches is likely to become one of the best players in the world at Bayern Munich under Ancelotti. André Gomes is rumoured to be moving to Chelsea, Barcelona or Real Madrid this year for 40M€+. Meanwhile, Pepe is actually one of the best CBs in the world but his reputation is tarnished by the fact that he's got obvious mental issues and acts like a supreme douche on the pitch.
Overall they are underperforming given what they've shown on the pitch, but do not underestimate the individual quality of the Portugal NT.
average age of those players for portugal is 26.3, average age for croatia 27.7. The croatian star players are all 28 years old or older. While I guess it's as good an attempt at giving an objective assessment of how good the players are as you can get, I don't think it factors in the rapid value deterioration of 28+ year olds. Portugal has 7 players younger than 25 of those - Croatia has 3 below 27. Still, I'm not really arguing that Croatia's squad is clearly superior - just against the notion that Portugal's squad is. I think they are very evenly matched, and in terms of individual players, only Germany, France and Spain are 'clearly superior' to either of them.
Belgium has a bunch of big name players but playing in the PL gives more fame than playing elsewhere, so I dunno if the players are actually as good as reputed.
Disclaimer: I'm not arguing to be a finicky c**t, just because I find these discussions amusing.
Looking at it with a statistical eye, what we would have to do is to understand what is the optimal valuation age and then estimate the age-adjusted discount for each age and player where we remove overvaluation due to potential and undervaluation due to old-age. Ie. a 18 year old player might be super hyped due to how much he'll be worth in the future - but what interests us is actual current value; a 31yo player may be undervalued due to the fact that his future marketable value is much lower whilehis actual current value may not have dropped much at all since his physical peak at 27-28.
The analysis is different depending on what is each teams' players' age deviation from the optimal valuation age and how different the discount is between the undervalued old players and overvalued young players. If the optimal valuation age is 26 and all Croatians are 27 years old while 50% of the Portuguese are 21 and 50% are 31, then it might be that the final adjusted valuation would favor the Portuguese because the 31 year olds are way too undervalued compared to every other age.
While we're at it, you might have to discount valuation biases due to the league the players are in. Practically all the Croatians play abroad and most in the Italian league. Many of the Portuguese still play in the Portuguese league which would undervalue them.
Anyhow, I'll concede that the Portuguese team might have an only slightly superior squad to Croatia. :D
On July 06 2016 19:10 shell wrote: What everyone is doing to Renato Sanches is a fucking disgrace.. people should be ashamed of raising doubt about this kid.
I won't say it's because of race, altho if he was white this would never happen, but watch this movie and tell me if Renato is 3 or 5 years older then the other kids?
I do because this guy meant a lot for all Benfica supporters this year and now for all portuguese thanks to these euro championships.. his 100% portuguese born and raised here, he is a fighter, a teamplayer, he is also a very hardworker.. he totally deserves this and people shouldn't be so easy to try and knock him out!
He is going to have the chance of a lifetime, playing for one of top 3 teams in the world and he doesn't deserve this, i hope all germans fans especially bayern won't be influenced by this..
Apparently the english penalty curse doesn't just apply to england, but to all of the premier league. So far, players have scored on 75% of their penalties this EC. But for premier league players, the number is 25% - outside the premier league, 87%. Even though the sample size is very small and not enough to draw actual conclusions, only scoring on 2 out of 8 penalties is impressively bad.
Also whatever the outcome I really hope Deschamps can stay coach of France. It's really hard to get French players playing as a team and he managed to do it.
On July 07 2016 02:56 sharkie wrote: Also whatever the outcome I really hope Deschamps can stay coach of France. It's really hard to get French players playing as a team and he managed to do it.
never truer words have been spoken, making french playing as a team and avoiding internal fuss is almost impossible, this feat only is immense
On July 07 2016 03:48 Mafe wrote: I dont even know who to cheer for. Probably Portugal, because I would actually feel more comfortable playing them in the final.
I don't think it matters for Germany. Against France will be harder imo, though for me the final was already against Italy.
On July 07 2016 04:13 KingofdaHipHop wrote: So Wales winning here is huge right? I don't know soccer too well but this story is fun to watch
this is already the best Wales has ever done but neither team has ever won a tournament. Portugal has at least been to a final before though. Wales is usually irrelevant so it would be pretty surprising to make a final
Do you think the players or viewers would notice, if you would remove the ball from the game? Wales doesnt want it, and Portugal is completely clueless what to do with it either, passing it back and forth at the middleline until they get frustrated and just bomb it to the Wales GK.
I already guessed 4-0 for the winner of France/Germany against the winner of this one. I mean, it's unlikely in a grand finals, but I can see it happen for both France and Germany.
On July 07 2016 04:44 HolydaKing wrote: I already guessed 4-0 for the winner of France/Germany against the winner of this one. I mean, it's unlikely in a grand finals, but I can see it happen for both France and Germany.
Whoever comes out in Germany/France match will be so much of hype that they will crush Wales/Portugal...
portugal is gonna win because they are more fit physicaly than wales, ronaldo's gonna make a header in the last 80' ish minutes like this when all of the wales's player are gonna get tired
On July 07 2016 04:51 Makro wrote: portugal is gonna win because they are more fit physicaly than wales, ronaldo's gonna make a header in the last 80' ish minutes like this when all of the wales's player are gonna get tired
I dunno, honestly in such a closed match a random goal can appear at any moment
On July 07 2016 04:51 Makro wrote: portugal is gonna win because they are more fit physicaly than wales, ronaldo's gonna make a header in the last 80' ish minutes like this when all of the wales's player are gonna get tired
not sure wales should be more fit. portugal was in ot twice. and it's not like wales consists of 3rd league players or smth. they are mostly playing premier league. should be fine imo
On July 07 2016 04:36 haitike wrote: Portugal matches are dreadful.
Which team is playing on the counter with 10 men behind the ball on defence ?
Both are. But some Portugese guy claimed how the Portugese Squad is so much superior earlier in the thread.
It is. The problem isn't the squad but the manager's philosophy. I'd be thrilled to see this team playing daring attacking football too. Given the fact that we've reached the semis it's difficult to argue with him though.
The game was fun in the first half of the first half. Then it became boring because Wales accommodated into letting Portugal have possession and playing on the counter while Portugal will not allow itself to take risks while in possession.
And again, if an obvious penalty had been awarded to Portugal the match would be different and you'd see Wales taking more risks.
On July 07 2016 04:36 haitike wrote: Portugal matches are dreadful.
Which team is playing on the counter with 10 men behind the ball on defence ?
Both are. But some Portugese guy claimed how the Portugese Squad is so much superior earlier in the thread.
It is. The problem isn't the squad but the manager's philosophy. I'd be thrilled to see this team playing daring attacking football too. Given the fact that we've reached the semis it's difficult to argue with him though.
The game was fun in the first half of the first half. Then it became boring because Wales accommodated into letting Portugal have possession and playing on the counter while Portugal will not allow itself to take risks while in possession.
And again, if an obvious penalty had been awarded to Portugal the match would be different and you'd see Wales taking more risks.
It just occured to me that the first goal was acutally scored from a SHORT CORNER! also, if there is a "best young player" award, Renato Sanchez surely must be the favorite to win it.
On July 07 2016 05:29 Mafe wrote: It just occured to me that the first goal was acutally scored from a SHORT CORNER! also, if there is a "best young player" award, Renato Sanchez surely must be the favorite to win it.
Griezmann might qualify for young player as well? I don't know the criteria XD
On July 07 2016 05:42 warding wrote: Can everyone take back all those hurtful things that were said about Portugal up until half time? 😞
Portugal has been the far better team today and deserves to be in the final. However i still want a refund for the horrible two snoozefests and much of the first half today
On July 07 2016 05:46 RvB wrote: Except for 2 goald they've been boring in the 2nd half ad well. I don't blame them but it's hardly making me enjoy seeing them get far.
We've had at least three clear goal chances meanwhile. That's at least three more than Wales. You're a tough customer.
Wales were heroes this tournament. Shame about not having Ramsey and Davies. Could have been a completely different game with them. Portugal stealing goals with their two chances. Wales couldn't just get the last touches in with those two missing. They've done so well to get this far. Even the TL power ranking had them not getting out of the group stages!
On July 07 2016 05:46 RvB wrote: Except for 2 goald they've been boring in the 2nd half ad well. I don't blame them but it's hardly making me enjoy seeing them get far.
We've had at least three clear goal chances meanwhile. That's at least three more than Wales. You're a tough customer.
Well Portugal was super mediocre all tournament. They still have a lot to prove against a World class team.
On July 07 2016 05:46 Poopi wrote: Portugal stealing his way to finals They'll lose anyways hopefully
If France wins tomorrow, I'll actually have to cheer for France in the finals because the only team I dislike more than France is Portugal. Life is hard ):
it's true that portugal may not have live up to the expectation, but being in the easiest side of the bracket, they could have got cocky and lose way earlier, so that's that for them
On July 07 2016 05:46 Poopi wrote: Portugal stealing his way to finals They'll lose anyways hopefully
If France wins tomorrow, I'll actually have to cheer for France in the finals because the only team I dislike more than France is Portugal. Life is hard ):
I heard more cheers when Portugal stole a win against Poland than when France beat Ireland so I agree it's annoying :D Prob more flags for Portugal than France as well They are bad anyways so finals should be fun
On July 07 2016 05:46 Poopi wrote: Portugal stealing his way to finals They'll lose anyways hopefully
If France wins tomorrow, I'll actually have to cheer for France in the finals because the only team I dislike more than France is Portugal. Life is hard ):
I heard more cheers when Portugal stole a win against Poland than when France beat Ireland so I agree it's annoying :D Prob more flags for Portugal than France as well They are bad anyways so finals should be fun
yea true, i live in the banlieue so many immigrants and therefore portuguese, i hear more honk for a portuguese win than a french one
the main reason i'm gonna cheer for whoever wins between france/germany :D
On July 07 2016 06:08 warding wrote: I must have missed all these thrilling group stage matches from other contending teams you guys are comparing Portugal's run with.
people just mad that portugal is in the finals. lack of scoring? sure, but they found ways to win. i dunno why that's undeserved. if they got dominated possession wise, but still win, i'd say that's more on their opponent who cant finish or break down portugal.
Portugal has met Germany in particular ALOT in major tourneys the past decade or so, and Germany has won all of them, mostly in convincing manner iirc.
We've also lost the last ten games vs France. But hey, given the love Wales and Iceland have had I suppose third party fans are ready to jump on the next underdog bandwagon! Am I right people? Everyone...? Hello.....?
On July 07 2016 11:56 warding wrote: We've also lost the last ten games vs France. But hey, given the love Wales and Iceland have had I suppose third party fans are ready to jump on the next underdog bandwagon! Am I right people? Everyone...? Hello.....?
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Nice try xD but you can't be considered an "underdog" when you have player like Pepe, Nani, Ronaldo, etc on your team. If anything, you're much more a version of England that somehow managed to get to the final than a new Wales/Iceland.
On July 07 2016 11:56 warding wrote: We've also lost the last ten games vs France. But hey, given the love Wales and Iceland have had I suppose third party fans are ready to jump on the next underdog bandwagon! Am I right people? Everyone...? Hello.....?
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Nice try xD but you can't be considered an "underdog" when you have player like Pepe, Nani, Ronaldo, etc on your team. If anything, you're much more a version of England that somehow managed to get to the final than a new Wales/Iceland.
On July 07 2016 17:43 Salteador Neo wrote: Just found out there was a football game yesterday lol
In this whole Euro, I have watched about 30-40 minutes of Italy vs Germany (and a few goals/highlights)
Most matches have been shit anyway xD
I'm going to remember this as the second worst that I have seen after the Greece one.
What? I remember 2004 as a tournament were most matches (well, except for those involving greece) were highly entertaining and of very good quality.
That Euro Cup (2004), was, imo, the most entertaining one since 2000.
Czech Republic was the bomb on that tournament. (all of their games except the one vs Greece, were awesome)
Portugal - England and Portugal - Netherlands were some of the most international entertaining matches I remember.
The only issue on this Euro was the entertainment value of the Greek games... Which, imo, were far less entertaining than the Portugal games on 2016.
Even though the results are being underwhelming, and the knock out stage game were kind of a borefest, Portugal has already done 124 shots during this tourney (6 games until now). It's not even close to the boring playstyle of Greece in 2004 where they did 2 or 3 shots per game.
On July 07 2016 20:59 mahrgell wrote: Bierhoff is always sitting on the bench, with our current lack of striker Löw should try subbing him in in the second half!
Thad'd be funny! But I'm betting Klose is somewhere in the stadium as well.... :D
On July 07 2016 10:03 zev318 wrote: people just mad that portugal is in the finals. lack of scoring? sure, but they found ways to win. i dunno why that's undeserved. if they got dominated possession wise, but still win, i'd say that's more on their opponent who cant finish or break down portugal.
ummm that's not a fair way to look at it. Portugal won 3 matches out of 6 and got a relatively easy draw in the playoffs. Italy, Spain, France, Germany all were in the lower bracket.
On July 07 2016 10:03 zev318 wrote: people just mad that portugal is in the finals. lack of scoring? sure, but they found ways to win. i dunno why that's undeserved. if they got dominated possession wise, but still win, i'd say that's more on their opponent who cant finish or break down portugal.
Honestly, they get hate because in a weak group, they only managed to advance to the round of 16 by technicality. Until yesterday Portugal had 0 wins in regular time throughout the entire tournament
I can see why some people would be slightly upset that Portugal got to the finals with a performance like that while Germany, Italy, France and Spain have to butcher each other on the other side of the bracket.
ohh and GG WAles, you are a awesome team with great players! <3 Bale
Well, first of: a EURO Final is never easy. It may be the easier than playing Italy/Germany/France but that's another matter.
Second:Sure ppl hate on CR7, but nobody dares to doubt his talent. Hate is mostly directed at his personality/ character
Third: GG Wales, pity you missed some key players. The way Wales played the only way for them to score would have been some lucky punch from Bale so i guess the result is deserved
On July 07 2016 10:03 zev318 wrote: people just mad that portugal is in the finals. lack of scoring? sure, but they found ways to win. i dunno why that's undeserved. if they got dominated possession wise, but still win, i'd say that's more on their opponent who cant finish or break down portugal.
Honestly, they get hate because in a weak group, they only managed to advance to the round of 16 by technicality. Until yesterday Portugal had 0 wins in regular time throughout the entire tournament
I can see why some people would be slightly upset that Portugal got to the finals with a performance like that while Germany, Italy, France and Spain have to butcher each other on the other side of the bracket.
So being of of the best thirds a techicality? I taught it was in the rules.. sorry my bad..
And yep Germany is better then us.. but this is a football match and anything can happen!
So go boys, go suck some more on the pitch and bring home the title!
Germany vs France is nearing. I'm not as hype as when we played Italy, because that was a match where we could write history (and did). Still gonna be very hype though, because France is the host after all.
On July 08 2016 02:20 HolydaKing wrote: Germany vs France is nearing. I'm not as hype as when we played Italy, because that was a match where we could write history (and did). Still gonna be very hype though, because France is the host after all.
I agree. I wouldn't even feel bad if we lose to the host nation. being world champion makes euro champ title much less desirable. beating Italy was much more important to me.
On July 08 2016 02:20 HolydaKing wrote: Germany vs France is nearing. I'm not as hype as when we played Italy, because that was a match where we could write history (and did). Still gonna be very hype though, because France is the host after all.
Cmon, you're Germany. Your job is to destroy the host nations' hopes. Do it well.
On July 08 2016 02:32 Makro wrote: germany is italy for the french, so that would be quite epic if france wins tonight, specially since in this match up they are the clear outsider
How are they possibly the clear outsider?
They began the tournament as the favorites, have home advantage, and Germany is missing 3 key players.
On July 08 2016 02:32 Makro wrote: germany is italy for the french, so that would be quite epic if france wins tonight, specially since in this match up they are the clear outsider
How are they possibly the clear outsider?
They began the tournament as the favorites, have home advantage, and Germany is missing 3 key players.
Germany made Italy look like a third rate team. I have never seen Italy so toothless like in that game.
Germany looked the strongest out of all teams in the knockout stage I think, France wasn't far behind tho, especially offensively. if we had Hummels I think we would be slighty favored, but this way it's pretty much 50-50 in my book. Germany is playing a 4-3-3 (more like a 4-5-1) with Can and Schweinsteiger btw. No Götze no Schürrle, and Müller as the lone striker, which I like a lot.
On July 08 2016 02:32 Makro wrote: germany is italy for the french, so that would be quite epic if france wins tonight, specially since in this match up they are the clear outsider
How are they possibly the clear outsider?
They began the tournament as the favorites, have home advantage, and Germany is missing 3 key players.
i would have said even if it wasn't for the number of injuries france had in their CB, which is far worse than what germany is facing right now
and i'm thinking of it but even if it was an optimal team, the very fact that statistic are heavily in german's favor means that they are the clear favourite
I know, I was one of the guys who said Götze played awful in the games he played. However I feel a bit sad he doesn't even start today. But it might be better.
It shows that putting a guy in goal really pays off. Goalkeeper OP! This must be a secret German/French strategy. Never seen it used when the "motherland of football" plays.
Muller is gonna kick someone in the face one of these times. He's raising his legs real high after the ball gets away from him just every so slightly. Thats what 3 times already? Dude's gonna get a foul with a bad stretch if hes not careful
On July 08 2016 04:19 mahrgell wrote: I remember times, when ppl were banned for posting direct stream links... Now even TL members do it.
I don't remember these times, but if I get told to delete it by another mod I will. I just think its stupid that most channels force you to have a cable subscription to watch online. If I could watch these via some sort of netflix equivalent I might be more inclined to be hard on direct stream links. But thanks to archaic approaches I personally, don't care enough
On July 08 2016 04:20 ZeromuS wrote: Muller is gonna kick someone in the face one of these times. He's raising his legs real high after the ball gets away from him just every so slightly. Thats what 3 times already? Dude's gonna get a foul with a bad stretch if hes not careful
On July 08 2016 04:19 mahrgell wrote: I remember times, when ppl were banned for posting direct stream links... Now even TL members do it.
I don't remember these times, but if I get told to delete it by another mod I will. I just think its stupid that most channels force you to have a cable subscription to watch online. If I could watch these via some sort of netflix equivalent I might be more inclined to be hard on direct stream links. But thanks to archaic approaches I personally, don't care enough
GSL/MLG restreams were banned in the pre twitch era, not sure that ever applied to footy/sports streams
On July 08 2016 04:19 mahrgell wrote: I remember times, when ppl were banned for posting direct stream links... Now even TL members do it.
I don't remember these times, but if I get told to delete it by another mod I will. I just think its stupid that most channels force you to have a cable subscription to watch online. If I could watch these via some sort of netflix equivalent I might be more inclined to be hard on direct stream links. But thanks to archaic approaches I personally, don't care enough
On July 08 2016 04:20 ZeromuS wrote: Muller is gonna kick someone in the face one of these times. He's raising his legs real high after the ball gets away from him just every so slightly. Thats what 3 times already? Dude's gonna get a foul with a bad stretch if hes not careful
On July 08 2016 04:19 mahrgell wrote: I remember times, when ppl were banned for posting direct stream links... Now even TL members do it.
I don't remember these times, but if I get told to delete it by another mod I will. I just think its stupid that most channels force you to have a cable subscription to watch online. If I could watch these via some sort of netflix equivalent I might be more inclined to be hard on direct stream links. But thanks to archaic approaches I personally, don't care enough
GSL/MLG restreams were banned in the pre twitch era, not sure that ever applied to footy/sports streams
Thats because the organizers asked TL to enforce that. Never seen anything when it comes to sports.
France, really needs to slow the pace of this game down and take away the momentum germany has. Say what you will about the boring portuguese games, they knew how to slow down the game the few times the pace started to get ahead of them.
On July 08 2016 04:20 ZeromuS wrote: Muller is gonna kick someone in the face one of these times. He's raising his legs real high after the ball gets away from him just every so slightly. Thats what 3 times already? Dude's gonna get a foul with a bad stretch if hes not careful
On July 08 2016 04:19 mahrgell wrote: I remember times, when ppl were banned for posting direct stream links... Now even TL members do it.
I don't remember these times, but if I get told to delete it by another mod I will. I just think its stupid that most channels force you to have a cable subscription to watch online. If I could watch these via some sort of netflix equivalent I might be more inclined to be hard on direct stream links. But thanks to archaic approaches I personally, don't care enough
GSL/MLG restreams were banned in the pre twitch era, not sure that ever applied to footy/sports streams
Thats because the organizers asked TL to enforce that. Never seen anything when it comes to sports.
Its because there were legitimate online delivery methods. I don't think that exists for sports streams in a widely accessible format.
France really needs to get the ball and just play it back defensively waiting for the half. Their coach is gonna have to wake them up and the longer this keeps goings the less likely they are to even hold a tie.
Decided to watch the game because it's germany and people said it'd be pretty good. But... Posts 1 m wider each, the beam as well, prohibit backward passing, bah it's boring!
Lol, another hand play.... another penalty. Neuer still hasn't conceded a single non-penalty. I think we can still win in the 2nd half though, we kinda dominated the game. Our strikers just suck.
On July 08 2016 04:50 Kuhumschubser wrote: totally france's fault that schweinsteiger plays volleyball...
To be fair its a pretty weak handball call. Its hard to see it happen, it wasn't intentional in the least. Its as if people dont jump up using their arms for momentum. Terrible luck for the ball to come off his head in such a way that it his schwein's hand as he was trying to jump up.
So, France bought their way to the Ro16 through corruption, will they do the same for this game? (at least Deschamps didn't look happy, so that's one good point for him)
On July 08 2016 04:50 Kuhumschubser wrote: totally france's fault that schweinsteiger plays volleyball...
To be fair its a pretty weak handball call. Its hard to see it happen, it wasn't intentional in the least. Its as if people dont jump up using their arms for momentum. Terrible luck for the ball to come off his head in such a way that it his schwein's hand as he was trying to jump up.
It's the clearest handball there is in football...
Mueller needs to go. He doesn't fit in CF position, dude rather nets goals from scrappy situation. Surprisingly GER doesn't have many options. Goetze is the same kind of player, Podolski might just have lost his touch.
On July 08 2016 04:50 Kuhumschubser wrote: totally france's fault that schweinsteiger plays volleyball...
To be fair its a pretty weak handball call. Its hard to see it happen, it wasn't intentional in the least. Its as if people dont jump up using their arms for momentum. Terrible luck for the ball to come off his head in such a way that it his schwein's hand as he was trying to jump up.
That is the price you pay for having your hand up there where it can interfere. That header could have been a relay to someone in a great position.
On July 08 2016 04:50 Kuhumschubser wrote: totally france's fault that schweinsteiger plays volleyball...
To be fair its a pretty weak handball call. Its hard to see it happen, it wasn't intentional in the least. Its as if people dont jump up using their arms for momentum. Terrible luck for the ball to come off his head in such a way that it his schwein's hand as he was trying to jump up.
That is the price you pay for having your hand up there where it can interfere. That header could have been a relay to someone in a great position.
I am working while watching, just caught your streamables. I think I've changed my mind. At first I thought his arm wasn't THAT far out from his body. But his hand was basically outstretched not just up and coming down towards the frenchman's shoulder with his jump.
On July 08 2016 04:50 Kuhumschubser wrote: totally france's fault that schweinsteiger plays volleyball...
To be fair its a pretty weak handball call. Its hard to see it happen, it wasn't intentional in the least. Its as if people dont jump up using their arms for momentum. Terrible luck for the ball to come off his head in such a way that it his schwein's hand as he was trying to jump up.
That is the price you pay for having your hand up there where it can interfere. That header could have been a relay to someone in a great position.
I am working while watching, just caught your streamables. I think I've changed my mind. At first I thought his arm wasn't THAT far out from his body. But his hand was basically outstretched not just up and coming down towards the frenchman's shoulder with his jump.
On July 08 2016 04:58 sneirac wrote: Can Löw now please try to get someone else up front? Just ask Leno or Zieler if they ever played forward in their youth, just anything.
Never thought I'd see the day I miss GODEZ with all my heart.
On July 08 2016 04:59 Makro wrote: honestly though how france is playing the scoreline is gonna change really fast
Well, they held on for 45 minutes... They're going to rush again at the beginning of the second half, try to score a lucky goal ; if they manage, it's game over, if they don't, they'll just go full Portugal and 1-0 it to the finals.
On July 08 2016 05:01 Poopi wrote: Hopefully France wins so arrogant german TLers are put in their place :o
lol france winning wouldn't put anyone in their place lmao. they played like shit, and got a lucky pen. how is that any better than portugal. they had ireland and iceland they advanced, and now they are 11 man in their own half for 45 minutes
On July 08 2016 05:01 Poopi wrote: Hopefully France wins so arrogant german TLers are put in their place :o
lol france winning wouldn't put anyone in their place lmao. they played like shit, and got a lucky pen. how is that any better than portugal. they had ireland and iceland they advanced, and now they are 11 man in their own half for 45 minutes
On July 08 2016 04:59 ZeromuS wrote: This still doesnt change the ref is a bit in france's favour with some of his foul calls.
It's like saying refs calls less fouls for teams in red. Yeah it's true, it has been proven that statistically team playing in red get less calls against them. And so do home teams. Nothing new under the sun ...
On July 08 2016 05:01 Poopi wrote: Hopefully France wins so arrogant german TLers are put in their place :o
lol france winning wouldn't put anyone in their place lmao. they played like shit, and got a lucky pen. how is that any better than portugal. they had ireland and iceland they advanced, and now they are 11 man in their own half for 45 minutes
To be fair, Iceland actually played well this tourney
On July 08 2016 05:01 Poopi wrote: Hopefully France wins so arrogant german TLers are put in their place :o
lol france winning wouldn't put anyone in their place lmao. they played like shit, and got a lucky pen. how is that any better than portugal. they had ireland and iceland they advanced, and now they are 11 man in their own half for 45 minutes
Haha you so mad it's funny 82 never forget
i am not mad i am not even a fan of the german team. i was rooting for italy. but whatever
This season, gods of football have been trolling us anyway. France Portugal is a fitting final. More seriously, Germany has been dominating but both sides have the same amount of goal scoring opportunities opportunities in the end. Saying the ref is bought is the worst excuse. Have your forwards be more efficient and there wouldn't be any debate.
On July 08 2016 05:05 Pandemona wrote: Germany = Arsenal 2.0? Al the ball, all around box, 0 strikers poor showing. However when it works, they can score 4 or 5
On July 08 2016 05:05 Pandemona wrote: Germany = Arsenal 2.0? Al the ball, all around box, 0 strikers poor showing. However when it works, they can score 4 or 5
On July 08 2016 05:05 Pandemona wrote: Germany = Arsenal 2.0? Al the ball, all around box, 0 strikers poor showing. However when it works, they can score 4 or 5
We actually win titles that matter though
Ok Germany since 2015
Germany since Klose and Lahm retired. Klose was such a MVP for Germany
On July 08 2016 05:05 Pandemona wrote: Germany = Arsenal 2.0? Al the ball, all around box, 0 strikers poor showing. However when it works, they can score 4 or 5
We actually win titles that matter though
Ok Germany since 2015
Germany since Klose and Lahm retired. Klose was such a MVP for Germany
Yeah thats true, 0 strikers and 0 leaders now. Good point.
On July 08 2016 05:05 Pandemona wrote: Germany = Arsenal 2.0? Al the ball, all around box, 0 strikers poor showing. However when it works, they can score 4 or 5
We actually win titles that matter though
Ok Germany since 2015
Meh i was hoping you would defend premier league saying fa cup > world cup or something :p
Germany needs to play with more self control to avoid the dumb calls. If hes being harsh you just gotta give the ref as little as possible to call you on. They seem to be letting their emotions come through atm.
On July 08 2016 05:09 ZeromuS wrote: Germany needs to play with more self control to avoid the dumb calls. If hes being harsh you just gotta give the ref as little as possible to call you on. They seem to be letting their emotions come through atm.
Ref is only harsh to one team, so that makes it a bit more difficult.
On July 08 2016 05:09 ZeromuS wrote: Germany needs to play with more self control to avoid the dumb calls. If hes being harsh you just gotta give the ref as little as possible to call you on. They seem to be letting their emotions come through atm.
He was not harsh in the first 25 mins though. Kind of difficult to deal with if the ref changes his style mid-match
On July 08 2016 05:05 Pandemona wrote: Germany = Arsenal 2.0? Al the ball, all around box, 0 strikers poor showing. However when it works, they can score 4 or 5
We actually win titles that matter though
Ok Germany since 2015
Meh i was hoping you would defend premier league saying fa cup > world cup or something :p
I mean it was a clear yellow for Draxler. What annoys me is that Rizzoli changed his stance like midhalf. First half of the first half no foul called for anything. Suddenly: Yellow, Yellow, Yellow
On July 08 2016 05:09 ZeromuS wrote: Germany needs to play with more self control to avoid the dumb calls. If hes being harsh you just gotta give the ref as little as possible to call you on. They seem to be letting their emotions come through atm.
Ref is only harsh to one team, so that makes it a bit more difficult.
Look you don't tackle someone from behind when you lost the ball after a rough duel.
Tactically speaking, this is really awful from Deschamps... 3 DM + attacking players that know how to defend, but still a completely non existing midfield. His luck is legendary in France, but if they win this...
Sad result so far. Another ridiculous penalty against Germany. France is showing a outright BAD performance, but it seems to be enough to into the finals.
On July 08 2016 05:29 Dan HH wrote: lmao never seen so many pissed off germans clinging to every ref decision
Most were pissed beforehand at the fact he's Italian. Then again, I don't think it matters. It's just the natural bias for the host country which is in almost any team sports.
On July 08 2016 05:32 hunter_x wrote: Well guess the weaker team wins this time gg
hahha please
We know its Ronaldo who will get it, it will be Ronaldo who will win the tournament and it's Ronaldo who is gonna out do Messi, it is written in the stars
On July 08 2016 05:37 sharkie wrote: Deschamps realizes how important it is to have a tall striker up front. Löw only brought Gomez with him and this cost Germany dearly.
I'm sad for Kimmich, guy plays his heart out in every game and and is probably one of the best players for us. The only thing holding him back is his inexperience.
On July 08 2016 05:32 Jacenoob wrote: btw 2-0 now, game is done, so expect a yellow card for a French player in next 3 minutes
Are you friends with the ref?
Every close call today was in favor of France. Ref is a cheater. Like a cheating poker player who makes a couple big calls and then loses one or two small pots to make it seem like he can't see the hole cards. Easy prediction.
On July 08 2016 05:32 Jacenoob wrote: btw 2-0 now, game is done, so expect a yellow card for a French player in next 3 minutes
Are you friends with the ref?
Every close call today was in favor of France. Ref is a cheater. Like a cheating poker player who makes a couple big calls and then loses one or two small pots to make it seem like he can't see the hole cards. Easy prediction.
Say what you want about the calls, but if you can't finish a goal with this much possession and score even one goal, then I don't know if you really deserve to win tbh :/
On July 08 2016 05:40 Sent. wrote: 69 to 31 in possesion wow
And that doesn't mean anything. France solidifies their defense in 2nd half, playing counterattack. Meanwhile GER struggles hard with their offense. I mean, swapping Goetze in means they are relying on pure luck right now. France is the better team today.
On July 08 2016 05:43 ZeromuS wrote: Say what you want about the calls, but if you can't finish a goal with this much possession and score even one goal, then I don't know if you really deserve to win tbh :/
They don't deserve to win, that referee is just aggravating on his own. Müller just needs to be institutionalized after this tournament.
On July 08 2016 05:43 ZeromuS wrote: Say what you want about the calls, but if you can't finish a goal with this much possession and score even one goal, then I don't know if you really deserve to win tbh :/
They don't deserve to win, that referee is just aggravating on his own. Müller just needs to be institutionalized after this tournament.
I'm Portuguese I know the salt of referees very well tyvm
On July 08 2016 05:43 ZeromuS wrote: Say what you want about the calls, but if you can't finish a goal with this much possession and score even one goal, then I don't know if you really deserve to win tbh :/
They don't deserve to win, that referee is just aggravating on his own. Müller just needs to be institutionalized after this tournament.
Yeah, can't score for shit and thus deserve the loss. Still, ref suddenly making all the right calls after 2-0, shady shit. Guess France needs this to calm their masses, last I heard the country's going to shit. And yes, I am salty, who wouldn't?
On July 08 2016 05:43 ZeromuS wrote: Say what you want about the calls, but if you can't finish a goal with this much possession and score even one goal, then I don't know if you really deserve to win tbh :/
They don't deserve to win, that referee is just aggravating on his own. Müller just needs to be institutionalized after this tournament.
I'm Portuguese I know the salt of referees very well tyvm
Haha yes. I remember 2002 vs. South Korea. Btw. also the host - what a major total coincidence!
On July 08 2016 05:43 ZeromuS wrote: Say what you want about the calls, but if you can't finish a goal with this much possession and score even one goal, then I don't know if you really deserve to win tbh :/
They don't deserve to win, that referee is just aggravating on his own. Müller just needs to be institutionalized after this tournament.
I'm Portuguese I know the salt of referees very well tyvm
Haha yes. I remember 2002 vs. South Korea. Btw. also the host - what a major total coincidence!
I think you mean every game we've ever played on an international stage
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
On July 08 2016 05:43 ZeromuS wrote: Say what you want about the calls, but if you can't finish a goal with this much possession and score even one goal, then I don't know if you really deserve to win tbh :/
They don't deserve to win, that referee is just aggravating on his own. Müller just needs to be institutionalized after this tournament.
I'm Portuguese I know the salt of referees very well tyvm
Haha yes. I remember 2002 vs. South Korea. Btw. also the host - what a major total coincidence!
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Nope was too good, especially how bad they looked going into it they actually overachieved. Löw only goes if he wants to go.
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
On July 08 2016 05:46 sharkie wrote: How can world cup destroyer Müller be so bad at Euros? He couldnt even score his penalty could he?
Mueller is the "when you are head get more ahead" kind of player. He scores easy goals, puts the ball in the empty net. No disrespect, dude is just so good and so well-positioned in such situations.
But Mueller is not supposed to lead the offense. Funny how GER only has one real forward in Gomez this year.
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
Most people agree. But Germanys results keep Löw safe.
On July 08 2016 05:43 ZeromuS wrote: Say what you want about the calls, but if you can't finish a goal with this much possession and score even one goal, then I don't know if you really deserve to win tbh :/
They don't deserve to win, that referee is just aggravating on his own. Müller just needs to be institutionalized after this tournament.
I'm Portuguese I know the salt of referees very well tyvm
Haha yes. I remember 2002 vs. South Korea. Btw. also the host - what a major total coincidence!
I think you mean every game we've ever played on an international stage
See I want to root for you, you deserve it for 2004 alone already. But god damn those perfomances and Ronaldo make it hard. Good news for you tho since I had the same animosity for Real and that didn't help me either
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
On July 08 2016 05:46 sharkie wrote: How can world cup destroyer Müller be so bad at Euros? He couldnt even score his penalty could he?
Mueller is the "when you are head get more ahead" kind of player. He scores easy goals, puts the ball in the empty net. No disrespect, dude is just so good and so well-positioned in such situations.
But Mueller is not supposed to lead the offense. Funny how GER only has one real forward in Gomez this year.
What? You missed the last two world cups? Müller wins you games.
The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
On July 08 2016 05:32 Rebs wrote: Greizman player of the tournament eeezzzz
On July 08 2016 05:32 hunter_x wrote: Well guess the weaker team wins this time gg
hahha please
We know its Ronaldo who will get it, it will be Ronaldo who will win the tournament and it's Ronaldo who is gonna out do Messi, it is written in the stars
On July 08 2016 05:43 ZeromuS wrote: Say what you want about the calls, but if you can't finish a goal with this much possession and score even one goal, then I don't know if you really deserve to win tbh :/
They don't deserve to win, that referee is just aggravating on his own. Müller just needs to be institutionalized after this tournament.
I'm Portuguese I know the salt of referees very well tyvm
Haha yes. I remember 2002 vs. South Korea. Btw. also the host - what a major total coincidence!
I think you mean every game we've ever played on an international stage
See I want to root for you, you deserve it for 2004 alone already. But god damn those perfomances and Ronaldo make it hard. Good news for you tho since I had the same animosity for Real and that didn't help me either
See above,, that is how I learned to hedge my misery the day the made it out of the groups
On July 08 2016 05:46 sharkie wrote: How can world cup destroyer Müller be so bad at Euros? He couldnt even score his penalty could he?
Mueller is the "when you are head get more ahead" kind of player. He scores easy goals, puts the ball in the empty net. No disrespect, dude is just so good and so well-positioned in such situations.
But Mueller is not supposed to lead the offense. Funny how GER only has one real forward in Gomez this year.
I wonder if he'd be any good if he didn't play for Bayern.
On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote: The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
Pretty much the same for me.
Now I can only hope for Portugal to do it like Greece 2004. That would at least be a fun way to end this tournament.
Thankfully portugal gets the better opponent for their win. I would much rather play france than germany. Way easier to shut down man to man on the defence and god knows our coach is gonna make us do it XD
On July 08 2016 05:52 RvB wrote: Best game of the tournament. GG Germany.
Bad showing > no showing :p
Hehe bring in the salt.
Nah, i'm fine thanks. Tbh, even though i would not bet on it, it would always be a hard game today. We saw there was no alternative to Gomez. 3 key players missing was harsh but the remaining players didnt even try to make up for it. France played solid and had a little luck on their side. But seriously France go make up some other chant and stop trying to ride in the iceland wave
Congratulations for France; our own inability to score goals is what cost us the Euro. France played exactly how they needed to. Patience is key. Good luck in the finals neighbours.
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
If you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote: The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
Pretty much the same for me.
Now I can only hope for Portugal to do it like Greece 2004. That would at least be a fun way to end this tournament.
You mean by pulling on a defender's shirt and fouling in the box on a corner without getting called for it?
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
On July 08 2016 05:58 mderg wrote: Can people please stop copying this Iceland clap thing. It's not nearly as awesome when German or French fans do it.
That ref was one of the worst i've ever seen. The penalty was probably right, but every single marginal decision throughout the entire game went to France. He probably just shit himself because of all the fans.
On July 08 2016 05:52 RvB wrote: Best game of the tournament. GG Germany.
Bad showing > no showing :p
Hehe bring in the salt.
Nah, i'm fine thanks. Tbh, even though i would not bet on it, it would always be a hard game today. We saw there was no alternative to Gomez. 3 key players missing was harsh but the remaining players didnt even try to make up for it. France played solid and had a little luck on their side. But seriously France go make up some other chant and stop trying to ride in the iceland wave
Iceland clap will be in every stadium from now on. It's cool and intimidating in a haka kind of way. I expect to hear it in every important game.
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
On July 08 2016 05:58 mderg wrote: Can people please stop copying this Iceland clap thing. It's not nearly as awesome when German or French fans do it.
It's not even an Iceland thing I have seen that years before at my local club lol.
On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote: The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
Pretty much the same for me.
Now I can only hope for Portugal to do it like Greece 2004. That would at least be a fun way to end this tournament.
You mean by pulling on a defender's shirt and fouling in the box on a corner without getting called for it?
you remind me of that time Fernando Hierro pulled the shirt, got the other team a direct kick that eliminate Spain. Euro 2000 or 2004 don't remember. The foul was as lame as Boateng/Schwein volleyball fouls
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
Sigh. I'm salty right now... Still gonna cheer for France in the finale. But they will have to play better than today. Ronaldo on a good day would shoot 2 or 3 goals against a France like this. Their midfield today was atrocious. If they can't up their game I'm not sure who would win the finale. Side note: Would be funny to see Brych ref the finale
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
But who would you replace Löw with? Not that many good options out there imo
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
But who would you replace Löw with? Not that many good options out there imo
When I saw the quaterfinal brackets I thought whoever comes victorious from the bottom half should easily stomp in the final but now I'm not sure. Could be close
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
It's like I'm talking to a child.
No fucking shit talent alone doesn't win everything. 11 of the world's best players running around like headless chickens won't win.
If you had any kind of intellectual integrity you would realize that the argument is that there are clearly better tactical choices that can be made with the amount of talent that Germany has. There is no excuse for having only 1 striker on the roster. There's no excuse for sticking to a system that makes this team consistently underperform relative to the amount of quality they have. Slowing the game down this much and trying to pass the ball into the back of the net doesn't work with this team. It didn't win them the WC (they won that on an awful Brazilian side and a brilliant 2-man counter attack in the 113th minute combined with Higuain choking hard).
Again, I ask you to say with a straight face that you think that the unimpressive performances that Germany has put on in the last two tournaments (against Ghana, the U.S., Algeria, France, Argentina, Ukraine, Poland, North Ireland, Italy, and France, none of which looked convincing even when they won) are actually indicative of the quality of players that Germany has at its disposal.
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
It's like I'm talking to a child.
No fucking shit talent alone doesn't win everything. 11 of the world's best players running around like headless chickens won't win.
If you had any kind of intellectual integrity you would realize that the argument is that there are clearly better tactical choices that can be made with the amount of talent that Germany has. There is no excuse for having only 1 striker on the roster. There's no excuse for sticking to a system that makes this team consistently underperform relative to the amount of quality they have. Slowing the game down this much and trying to pass the ball into the back of the net doesn't work with this team. It didn't win them the WC (they won that on an awful Brazilian side and a brilliant 2-man counter attack in the 113th minute).
Again, I ask you to say with a straight face that you think that the unimpressive performances that Germany has put on in the last two tournaments (against Ghana, the U.S., Algeria, France, Argentina, Ukraine, Poland, North Ireland, Italy, and France, none of which looked convincing even when they won) are actually indicative of the quality of players that Germany has at its disposal.
It brought them results, that's all people like you care.
Also Löw changed his system three times this tournament. Why do you blame him for Boateng and Schweinsteiger's Ballerina handballs? Or Neuer having a blackout.
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
OK I agreed with you till this point. Germany played Kamikaze in 2010 ? DID YOU SEE THAT SEMI ?
I wish they played kamikaze. I went through 14 pints that game because Germany wouldnt leave their half and the booze kept me interested.
On July 08 2016 06:08 sharkie wrote: So in the last two hours I saw Germans wanting Poldi and shittalk Müller. How salty can you get lol...
This coming from the same country who called Poldi a mascot
Poldi gets much more shit than he deserves, though. He's not a top level player but it's not like he's much worse than the other reserve players.
I am a big Poldi fan.
I think his record speaks volumes. People saying he scores only goals vs the small teams - well this Germany cannot even score vs small teams. You need players like Klose and Poldi
ye müller was awful this tournament no doubt about that. but you need to react as a team manager and see that he isn't doing well bench him one game or smth. but he didn't react at all he had all the time in the world and didn't do it. i think the subs came in too late today. would say the same about the game vs italy but he didn't really need to change there, cause germany was never behind. then again i have no idea who would do better than müller. they are all meh as strikers. try out polid maybe. i dunno really. i think he had to react but he did not so yeah can't blame it on müller this game
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
It's like I'm talking to a child.
No fucking shit talent alone doesn't win everything. 11 of the world's best players running around like headless chickens won't win.
If you had any kind of intellectual integrity you would realize that the argument is that there are clearly better tactical choices that can be made with the amount of talent that Germany has. There is no excuse for having only 1 striker on the roster. There's no excuse for sticking to a system that makes this team consistently underperform relative to the amount of quality they have. Slowing the game down this much and trying to pass the ball into the back of the net doesn't work with this team. It didn't win them the WC (they won that on an awful Brazilian side and a brilliant 2-man counter attack in the 113th minute).
Again, I ask you to say with a straight face that you think that the unimpressive performances that Germany has put on in the last two tournaments (against Ghana, the U.S., Algeria, France, Argentina, Ukraine, Poland, North Ireland, Italy, and France, none of which looked convincing even when they won) are actually indicative of the quality of players that Germany has at its disposal.
Germany has the best midfield by far currently, the lauded French midfield hardly put up a fight for most of the game. Even if there are injuries, there are good replacements on the bench. And there is the best goalkeeper as well as two top centre backs.
But the German squad has clear weaknesses when it comes to the full back position and the striker position, and it's worse now than in 2014.
On July 08 2016 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
It's like I'm talking to a child.
No fucking shit talent alone doesn't win everything. 11 of the world's best players running around like headless chickens won't win.
If you had any kind of intellectual integrity you would realize that the argument is that there are clearly better tactical choices that can be made with the amount of talent that Germany has. There is no excuse for having only 1 striker on the roster. There's no excuse for sticking to a system that makes this team consistently underperform relative to the amount of quality they have. Slowing the game down this much and trying to pass the ball into the back of the net doesn't work with this team. It didn't win them the WC (they won that on an awful Brazilian side and a brilliant 2-man counter attack in the 113th minute).
Again, I ask you to say with a straight face that you think that the unimpressive performances that Germany has put on in the last two tournaments (against Ghana, the U.S., Algeria, France, Argentina, Ukraine, Poland, North Ireland, Italy, and France, none of which looked convincing even when they won) are actually indicative of the quality of players that Germany has at its disposal.
It brought them results, that's all people like you care.
Also Löw changed his system three times this tournament. Why do you blame him for Boateng and Schweinsteiger's Ballerina handballs? Or Neuer having a blackout.
Löw changed from Götze to Gomez and then changed formations and then back. He's stuck to his ways of a serious lack of strikers, slowing down the game immensely, and prioritizing possession and a passing game over the strong attack and pace that Germany played with until around 2013.
And on what planet do you live on? I've been following this team for nearly 2 decades and have been a consistent critic of Löw on these boards since I first started talking about football here in 2010. Results aren't the only thing that matter precisely because of this; if your results aren't reliable, then you're liable to slip up and lose when it matters.
Germany has the best midfield by far currently, the lauded French midfield hardly put up a fight for most of the game. Even if there are injuries, there are good replacements on the bench. And there is the best goalkeeper as well as two top centre backs.
But the German squad has clear weaknesses when it comes to the full back position and the striker position, and it's worse now than in 2014.
Germany had a great option at LB in Schmelzer, who is criminally underrated and played one of his best seasons ever at BVB this year. They also have Kruse and Volland who weren't even brought with this year. And should we talk about how Löw snubbed Kießling for years and years?
The precise problem is that Löw knew exactly what Germany's weaknesses were in 2014 and did absolutely nothing to address them. In fact, those weaknesses were only worse this tournament.
Semifinal or better since 2006, Germany would be stupid to fire him.
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
It's like I'm talking to a child.
No fucking shit talent alone doesn't win everything. 11 of the world's best players running around like headless chickens won't win.
If you had any kind of intellectual integrity you would realize that the argument is that there are clearly better tactical choices that can be made with the amount of talent that Germany has. There is no excuse for having only 1 striker on the roster. There's no excuse for sticking to a system that makes this team consistently underperform relative to the amount of quality they have. Slowing the game down this much and trying to pass the ball into the back of the net doesn't work with this team. It didn't win them the WC (they won that on an awful Brazilian side and a brilliant 2-man counter attack in the 113th minute).
Again, I ask you to say with a straight face that you think that the unimpressive performances that Germany has put on in the last two tournaments (against Ghana, the U.S., Algeria, France, Argentina, Ukraine, Poland, North Ireland, Italy, and France, none of which looked convincing even when they won) are actually indicative of the quality of players that Germany has at its disposal.
It brought them results, that's all people like you care.
Also Löw changed his system three times this tournament. Why do you blame him for Boateng and Schweinsteiger's Ballerina handballs? Or Neuer having a blackout.
Löw changed from Götze to Gomez and then changed formations and then back. He's stuck to his ways of a serious lack of strikers, slowing down the game immensely, and prioritizing possession and a passing game over the strong attack and pace that Germany played with until around 2013.
And on what planet do you live on? I've been following this team for nearly 2 decades and have been a consistent critic of Löw on these boards since I first started talking about football here in 2010. Results aren't the only thing that matter precisely because of this; if your results aren't reliable, then you're liable to slip up and lose when it matters.
Tbh Löw doesn't have much options in the range of strikers. It's a sad day when Spain produces better and more strikers than Germany does.
Also, I am not saying you can't criticise Löw. I am saying you can't just expect his head after one loss in a SEMIFINAL of a EURO against the HOST country... I am emphasizing these words because you expect Germany to win all the titles in the last decade or what?
Countries with squads as good as this Germany have failed to perform in big tournaments. Yet Löw managed to go to semifinal or better every single time. Be happy.
Btw I might be the only one apart from the Portuguese, but I am rooting for Portugal now.
I always had kind of a soft spot for them, and they never won a major tournament. Moreover, while Griezmann is an awesome player, and Lloris had a great game today, I am not too impressed with the French team.
On July 08 2016 06:29 Maenander wrote: Btw I might be the only one apart from the Portuguese, but I am rooting for Portugal now.
I always had kind of a soft spot for them, and they never won a major tournament. Moreover, while Griezmann is an awesome player, and Lloris had a great game today, I am not too impressed with the French team.
On July 08 2016 05:51 Stratos_speAr wrote: [quote]
Add I've been arguing for years, it isn't due to Löw. Germany has been winning on talent.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
It's like I'm talking to a child.
No fucking shit talent alone doesn't win everything. 11 of the world's best players running around like headless chickens won't win.
If you had any kind of intellectual integrity you would realize that the argument is that there are clearly better tactical choices that can be made with the amount of talent that Germany has. There is no excuse for having only 1 striker on the roster. There's no excuse for sticking to a system that makes this team consistently underperform relative to the amount of quality they have. Slowing the game down this much and trying to pass the ball into the back of the net doesn't work with this team. It didn't win them the WC (they won that on an awful Brazilian side and a brilliant 2-man counter attack in the 113th minute).
Again, I ask you to say with a straight face that you think that the unimpressive performances that Germany has put on in the last two tournaments (against Ghana, the U.S., Algeria, France, Argentina, Ukraine, Poland, North Ireland, Italy, and France, none of which looked convincing even when they won) are actually indicative of the quality of players that Germany has at its disposal.
It brought them results, that's all people like you care.
Also Löw changed his system three times this tournament. Why do you blame him for Boateng and Schweinsteiger's Ballerina handballs? Or Neuer having a blackout.
Löw changed from Götze to Gomez and then changed formations and then back. He's stuck to his ways of a serious lack of strikers, slowing down the game immensely, and prioritizing possession and a passing game over the strong attack and pace that Germany played with until around 2013.
And on what planet do you live on? I've been following this team for nearly 2 decades and have been a consistent critic of Löw on these boards since I first started talking about football here in 2010. Results aren't the only thing that matter precisely because of this; if your results aren't reliable, then you're liable to slip up and lose when it matters.
Tbh Löw doesn't have much options in the range of strikers. It's a sad day when Spain produces better and more strikers than Germany does.
Also, I am not saying you can't criticise Löw. I am saying you can't just expect his head after one loss in a SEMIFINAL of a EURO against the HOST country... I am emphasizing these words because you expect Germany to win all the titles in the last decade or what?
Countries with squads as good as this Germany have failed to perform in big tournaments. Yet Löw managed to go to semifinal or better every single time. Be happy.
I'm not calling for his head after one loss in a semifinal. I'm calling for his head after disappointing performances for several years now.
I 100% guarantee you that the only reason he's still the manager is the fact that he won the WC, in a game that Germany was by no means the better team.
My apologies for being confrontational, but I'm bitter because this isn't some miracle run. Germany easily has the most talented pool of players in the world to pick from, and they shouldn't be squandering that talent when they could definitely be winning more than they currently are.
You don't win on talent alone. See Spain, Italy, England, Portugal, Belgium - all failed sometime since 2006, most of them more than once.
So, you arguments are void.
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
It's like I'm talking to a child.
No fucking shit talent alone doesn't win everything. 11 of the world's best players running around like headless chickens won't win.
If you had any kind of intellectual integrity you would realize that the argument is that there are clearly better tactical choices that can be made with the amount of talent that Germany has. There is no excuse for having only 1 striker on the roster. There's no excuse for sticking to a system that makes this team consistently underperform relative to the amount of quality they have. Slowing the game down this much and trying to pass the ball into the back of the net doesn't work with this team. It didn't win them the WC (they won that on an awful Brazilian side and a brilliant 2-man counter attack in the 113th minute).
Again, I ask you to say with a straight face that you think that the unimpressive performances that Germany has put on in the last two tournaments (against Ghana, the U.S., Algeria, France, Argentina, Ukraine, Poland, North Ireland, Italy, and France, none of which looked convincing even when they won) are actually indicative of the quality of players that Germany has at its disposal.
It brought them results, that's all people like you care.
Also Löw changed his system three times this tournament. Why do you blame him for Boateng and Schweinsteiger's Ballerina handballs? Or Neuer having a blackout.
Löw changed from Götze to Gomez and then changed formations and then back. He's stuck to his ways of a serious lack of strikers, slowing down the game immensely, and prioritizing possession and a passing game over the strong attack and pace that Germany played with until around 2013.
And on what planet do you live on? I've been following this team for nearly 2 decades and have been a consistent critic of Löw on these boards since I first started talking about football here in 2010. Results aren't the only thing that matter precisely because of this; if your results aren't reliable, then you're liable to slip up and lose when it matters.
Tbh Löw doesn't have much options in the range of strikers. It's a sad day when Spain produces better and more strikers than Germany does.
Also, I am not saying you can't criticise Löw. I am saying you can't just expect his head after one loss in a SEMIFINAL of a EURO against the HOST country... I am emphasizing these words because you expect Germany to win all the titles in the last decade or what?
Countries with squads as good as this Germany have failed to perform in big tournaments. Yet Löw managed to go to semifinal or better every single time. Be happy.
I'm not calling for his head after one loss in a semifinal. I'm calling for his head after disappointing performances for several years now.
I 100% guarantee you that the only reason he's still the manager is the fact that he won the WC, in a game that Germany was by no means the better team.
My apologies for being confrontational, but I'm bitter because this isn't some miracle run. Germany easily has the most talented pool of players in the world to pick from, and they shouldn't be squandering that talent when they could definitely be winning more than they currently are.
You won't get anyone to agree with you there. Winning a WC - no matter how - is never a disappointing performance. I actually felt that this tournament Germany overperformed a little bit. Löw just needs more time to cope with Klose and Lahm gone. It's not a everyday scenario to lose the best striker AND fullback your country ever had. Also Germany won only one U21 didn't they? So other countries are also having a big pool of talent, not only Germany.
On July 08 2016 05:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: [quote]
I'd you can actually look at the quality of players in Germany and tell me that their performances here and in 2014 are the best performances they can put up, I can't take you seriously.
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
It's like I'm talking to a child.
No fucking shit talent alone doesn't win everything. 11 of the world's best players running around like headless chickens won't win.
If you had any kind of intellectual integrity you would realize that the argument is that there are clearly better tactical choices that can be made with the amount of talent that Germany has. There is no excuse for having only 1 striker on the roster. There's no excuse for sticking to a system that makes this team consistently underperform relative to the amount of quality they have. Slowing the game down this much and trying to pass the ball into the back of the net doesn't work with this team. It didn't win them the WC (they won that on an awful Brazilian side and a brilliant 2-man counter attack in the 113th minute).
Again, I ask you to say with a straight face that you think that the unimpressive performances that Germany has put on in the last two tournaments (against Ghana, the U.S., Algeria, France, Argentina, Ukraine, Poland, North Ireland, Italy, and France, none of which looked convincing even when they won) are actually indicative of the quality of players that Germany has at its disposal.
It brought them results, that's all people like you care.
Also Löw changed his system three times this tournament. Why do you blame him for Boateng and Schweinsteiger's Ballerina handballs? Or Neuer having a blackout.
Löw changed from Götze to Gomez and then changed formations and then back. He's stuck to his ways of a serious lack of strikers, slowing down the game immensely, and prioritizing possession and a passing game over the strong attack and pace that Germany played with until around 2013.
And on what planet do you live on? I've been following this team for nearly 2 decades and have been a consistent critic of Löw on these boards since I first started talking about football here in 2010. Results aren't the only thing that matter precisely because of this; if your results aren't reliable, then you're liable to slip up and lose when it matters.
Tbh Löw doesn't have much options in the range of strikers. It's a sad day when Spain produces better and more strikers than Germany does.
Also, I am not saying you can't criticise Löw. I am saying you can't just expect his head after one loss in a SEMIFINAL of a EURO against the HOST country... I am emphasizing these words because you expect Germany to win all the titles in the last decade or what?
Countries with squads as good as this Germany have failed to perform in big tournaments. Yet Löw managed to go to semifinal or better every single time. Be happy.
I'm not calling for his head after one loss in a semifinal. I'm calling for his head after disappointing performances for several years now.
I 100% guarantee you that the only reason he's still the manager is the fact that he won the WC, in a game that Germany was by no means the better team.
My apologies for being confrontational, but I'm bitter because this isn't some miracle run. Germany easily has the most talented pool of players in the world to pick from, and they shouldn't be squandering that talent when they could definitely be winning more than they currently are.
You won't get anyone to agree with you there. Winning a WC - no matter how - is never a disappointing performance. I actually felt that this tournament Germany overperformed a little bit. Löw just needs more time to cope with Klose and Lahm gone. It's not a everyday scenario to lose the best striker AND fullback your country ever had. Also Germany won only one U21 didn't they? So other countries are also having a big pool of talent, not only Germany.
Germany's total talent pool is the sum of their youth teams and their senior team (which obviously doesn't play in youth tournaments).
Of course winning the WC wasn't a disappointing performance - we won. That said, the performance against Argentina was by no means convincing, and the vast majority of games both before and after that either weren't convincing (e.g. quarters against France) or downright disappointing (e.g. Ghana, Algeria, Poland), even when they were wins.
As I've said, Löw has had many options for years. He actively chooses not to promote these options. Again, he didn't even take a 2nd striker to the tournament with a team that he knew struggles without a true striker.. Even if he chose never to use him, how can you justify that?
I saw Germany playing kamikaze in 2010 and lose to Spain. Germany play defense in 2014 and win the title. Löw did everything correctly.
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
It's like I'm talking to a child.
No fucking shit talent alone doesn't win everything. 11 of the world's best players running around like headless chickens won't win.
If you had any kind of intellectual integrity you would realize that the argument is that there are clearly better tactical choices that can be made with the amount of talent that Germany has. There is no excuse for having only 1 striker on the roster. There's no excuse for sticking to a system that makes this team consistently underperform relative to the amount of quality they have. Slowing the game down this much and trying to pass the ball into the back of the net doesn't work with this team. It didn't win them the WC (they won that on an awful Brazilian side and a brilliant 2-man counter attack in the 113th minute).
Again, I ask you to say with a straight face that you think that the unimpressive performances that Germany has put on in the last two tournaments (against Ghana, the U.S., Algeria, France, Argentina, Ukraine, Poland, North Ireland, Italy, and France, none of which looked convincing even when they won) are actually indicative of the quality of players that Germany has at its disposal.
It brought them results, that's all people like you care.
Also Löw changed his system three times this tournament. Why do you blame him for Boateng and Schweinsteiger's Ballerina handballs? Or Neuer having a blackout.
Löw changed from Götze to Gomez and then changed formations and then back. He's stuck to his ways of a serious lack of strikers, slowing down the game immensely, and prioritizing possession and a passing game over the strong attack and pace that Germany played with until around 2013.
And on what planet do you live on? I've been following this team for nearly 2 decades and have been a consistent critic of Löw on these boards since I first started talking about football here in 2010. Results aren't the only thing that matter precisely because of this; if your results aren't reliable, then you're liable to slip up and lose when it matters.
Tbh Löw doesn't have much options in the range of strikers. It's a sad day when Spain produces better and more strikers than Germany does.
Also, I am not saying you can't criticise Löw. I am saying you can't just expect his head after one loss in a SEMIFINAL of a EURO against the HOST country... I am emphasizing these words because you expect Germany to win all the titles in the last decade or what?
Countries with squads as good as this Germany have failed to perform in big tournaments. Yet Löw managed to go to semifinal or better every single time. Be happy.
I'm not calling for his head after one loss in a semifinal. I'm calling for his head after disappointing performances for several years now.
I 100% guarantee you that the only reason he's still the manager is the fact that he won the WC, in a game that Germany was by no means the better team.
My apologies for being confrontational, but I'm bitter because this isn't some miracle run. Germany easily has the most talented pool of players in the world to pick from, and they shouldn't be squandering that talent when they could definitely be winning more than they currently are.
You won't get anyone to agree with you there. Winning a WC - no matter how - is never a disappointing performance. I actually felt that this tournament Germany overperformed a little bit. Löw just needs more time to cope with Klose and Lahm gone. It's not a everyday scenario to lose the best striker AND fullback your country ever had. Also Germany won only one U21 didn't they? So other countries are also having a big pool of talent, not only Germany.
Germany's total talent pool is the sum of their youth teams and their senior team (which obviously doesn't play in youth tournaments).
Of course winning the WC wasn't a disappointing performance - we won. That said, the performance against Argentina was by no means convincing, and the vast majority of games both before and after that either weren't convincing (e.g. quarters against France) or downright disappointing (e.g. Ghana, Algeria, Poland), even when they were wins.
As I've said, Löw has had many options for years. He actively chooses not to promote these options. Again, he didn't even take a 2nd striker to the tournament with a team that he knew struggles without a true striker.. Even if he chose never to use him, how can you justify that?
You can't justify it. But every coach makes mistakes. Only Chelsea would fire a coach after one mistake though. And if your "biggest" mistake is losing in semifinal because your players want to be ballerinas - well I am sure Netherlands would take Löw in a heartbeat. There are no perfect tactics or perfect coaches. You really expect too much
On July 08 2016 06:01 Stratos_speAr wrote: [quote]
Your reasoning is incredibly lazy.
You thinking talent can win you matches in football is just so stupid... Talent does shit without tactics.
It's like I'm talking to a child.
No fucking shit talent alone doesn't win everything. 11 of the world's best players running around like headless chickens won't win.
If you had any kind of intellectual integrity you would realize that the argument is that there are clearly better tactical choices that can be made with the amount of talent that Germany has. There is no excuse for having only 1 striker on the roster. There's no excuse for sticking to a system that makes this team consistently underperform relative to the amount of quality they have. Slowing the game down this much and trying to pass the ball into the back of the net doesn't work with this team. It didn't win them the WC (they won that on an awful Brazilian side and a brilliant 2-man counter attack in the 113th minute).
Again, I ask you to say with a straight face that you think that the unimpressive performances that Germany has put on in the last two tournaments (against Ghana, the U.S., Algeria, France, Argentina, Ukraine, Poland, North Ireland, Italy, and France, none of which looked convincing even when they won) are actually indicative of the quality of players that Germany has at its disposal.
It brought them results, that's all people like you care.
Also Löw changed his system three times this tournament. Why do you blame him for Boateng and Schweinsteiger's Ballerina handballs? Or Neuer having a blackout.
Löw changed from Götze to Gomez and then changed formations and then back. He's stuck to his ways of a serious lack of strikers, slowing down the game immensely, and prioritizing possession and a passing game over the strong attack and pace that Germany played with until around 2013.
And on what planet do you live on? I've been following this team for nearly 2 decades and have been a consistent critic of Löw on these boards since I first started talking about football here in 2010. Results aren't the only thing that matter precisely because of this; if your results aren't reliable, then you're liable to slip up and lose when it matters.
Tbh Löw doesn't have much options in the range of strikers. It's a sad day when Spain produces better and more strikers than Germany does.
Also, I am not saying you can't criticise Löw. I am saying you can't just expect his head after one loss in a SEMIFINAL of a EURO against the HOST country... I am emphasizing these words because you expect Germany to win all the titles in the last decade or what?
Countries with squads as good as this Germany have failed to perform in big tournaments. Yet Löw managed to go to semifinal or better every single time. Be happy.
I'm not calling for his head after one loss in a semifinal. I'm calling for his head after disappointing performances for several years now.
I 100% guarantee you that the only reason he's still the manager is the fact that he won the WC, in a game that Germany was by no means the better team.
My apologies for being confrontational, but I'm bitter because this isn't some miracle run. Germany easily has the most talented pool of players in the world to pick from, and they shouldn't be squandering that talent when they could definitely be winning more than they currently are.
You won't get anyone to agree with you there. Winning a WC - no matter how - is never a disappointing performance. I actually felt that this tournament Germany overperformed a little bit. Löw just needs more time to cope with Klose and Lahm gone. It's not a everyday scenario to lose the best striker AND fullback your country ever had. Also Germany won only one U21 didn't they? So other countries are also having a big pool of talent, not only Germany.
Germany's total talent pool is the sum of their youth teams and their senior team (which obviously doesn't play in youth tournaments).
Of course winning the WC wasn't a disappointing performance - we won. That said, the performance against Argentina was by no means convincing, and the vast majority of games both before and after that either weren't convincing (e.g. quarters against France) or downright disappointing (e.g. Ghana, Algeria, Poland), even when they were wins.
As I've said, Löw has had many options for years. He actively chooses not to promote these options. Again, he didn't even take a 2nd striker to the tournament with a team that he knew struggles without a true striker.. Even if he chose never to use him, how can you justify that?
You can't justify it. But every coach makes mistakes. Only Chelsea would fire a coach after one mistake though. And if your "biggest" mistake is losing in semifinal because your players want to be ballerinas - well I am sure Netherlands would take Löw in a heartbeat. There are no perfect tactics or perfect coaches. You really expect too much
As I've been saying over and over again, it isn't one mistake.
Oh well. I dont think in my lifetime of being a football, germany being eliminated from a big tournament has ever hurt less than today. It was just one of these games where from start (and even before, with the injuries) to finish not the slightest bit of luck seemed to be on our side. Such games just occasionally happen, and it's part of football. The ball never seemed to bounce our way, and than for second goal, France could hardly ask for a better rebound. I'm not saying France didn't deserve it though. At least this time I felt that our players gave everything and didnt lose their composure, unlike in some other decisive losses. I'd go as far as saying that except for the individual errors that gifted France the two goals, germany were the better side. But I guess this still means that overall, we were not. In a tournament with no outstanding team, the small margins decide.
I dont think there is anyone to blame in particular. Yes, Kimmich was a joke in defense and thankfully neither Italy no France targeted him in particular, but he is still very young. It is not his fault that noone better was around, andI think fullback might be the most challenging position to play atm. I am optimistic he will mature quickly and be a rock in the national team for the foreseeable future. Schweinsteiger's handball was ofc unnecessary, but with all what he has done over the last decade, he deserves to have some credit. Özil has grown to become a go-to scapegoat but in reality I don't think he did any worse than the other attackers. Draxler was the most visible one, but at times he wanted force something to happen too much.
On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote: The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote: The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
Don't be mad you just have bad mentality lol.
I'd be wasted and happy as fuck if NL were in the finals His mentality is ridiculous
This is the first time in my lifetime we beat Germany in an important match I think. Don't blame Muller too much, this guy is a hero, he sucked this Euro but was so good before that, it's unfair to hate him imo ! There are people in the streets celebrating, it's insane haha, everyone is partying like we won already (and not because they think we won already, but because beating Germany is a that big of a deal).
GG to my German friends and neighbors I know you got used to win, but you can't win everytime =p
GG, deserved win France. Excited to see Griezmann and Payet in the finals. ggwp.
On July 08 2016 07:05 Mafe wrote: Oh well. I dont think in my lifetime of being a football [ fan ], germany being eliminated from a big tournament has ever hurt less than today..
I still feel Müller is completely misused as solo striker. He always showed up when there is some massive threat up front, while he can do crazy stuff everywhere on the pitch. With Bayern you have Lewa keeping the defenders busy, and suddenly Müller shows up out of nothing. Even before Lewa, Bayern always brought some real striker so Müller can shine. In the national team at WC and before we had a Klose, tying up defenders, again Mülller did really well. Even this EC, in the games with Gomez, Müllers presence was felt. And without Gomez, Müller was just not himself.
Hopefully our players stay focused because the finals will be hard: one rest day more for Portugal plus even though their side was a bit easier, they had to beat a good Croatian team as well as a solid Poland and a dark horse Wales. They became increasingly better and they'll want the trophy as much as us after the 2004 fail.
Yet I think the home advantage will pull us through! I dislike French Portugese fans but I kind of always liked their team when I still watched euro/WC with hope (until 2006).
Honestly this team lost a lot with the exit of Klose, say what you want about thim but he delivered really well for Germany and as the tower he was meant that both Muller and Gotze had much more freedom to move around the field, which is where they excel
On July 08 2016 08:59 Faruko wrote: Honestly this team lost a lot with the exit of Klose, say what you want about thim but he delivered really well for Germany and as the tower he was meant that both Muller and Gotze had much more freedom to move around the field, which is where they excel
We don't even need a world class striker, just someone who draws enough attention so our midfield can work wonders.
I found the ref kinda biased for Germany too tho, Gignac holding some player shirt softly, then nothing happens for a sec and then the German boy throws himself on the ground and German gets the ball o_o. Taking some tricks from Italy's hat x).
On July 08 2016 09:14 Poopi wrote: I found the ref kinda biased for Germany too tho, Gignac holding some player shirt softly, then nothing happens for a sec and then the German boy throws himself on the ground and German gets the ball o_o. Taking some tricks from Italy's hat x).
Oh common, the ref certainly wasn't biased for Germany, that's ridiculous. Germany committed 6 fouls until half-time and had 4 yellow cards by then.
On July 08 2016 08:59 Faruko wrote: Honestly this team lost a lot with the exit of Klose, say what you want about thim but he delivered really well for Germany and as the tower he was meant that both Muller and Gotze had much more freedom to move around the field, which is where they excel
We don't even need a world class striker, just someone who draws enough attention so our midfield can work wonders.
Yeah, without someone to draw attention, ozil/gotze/muller are way too predictable, if germany can find someone that makes them free they will be back on track to do really well at WC 2018
On July 08 2016 08:59 Faruko wrote: Honestly this team lost a lot with the exit of Klose, say what you want about thim but he delivered really well for Germany and as the tower he was meant that both Muller and Gotze had much more freedom to move around the field, which is where they excel
We don't even need a world class striker, just someone who draws enough attention so our midfield can work wonders.
Yeah, without someone to draw attention, ozil/gotze/muller are way too predictable, if germany can find someone that makes them free they will be back on track to do really well at WC 2018
Well... I doubt Leverkusen will turn Volland into that central striker. But he may still be the striker of choice for the national team in the next WC. Or you hope that Timo Werner is really exploding in those coming 2 years with RedBull. But I think the next WC may still be too early for him.
On July 08 2016 06:26 sharkie wrote: Countries with squads as good as this Germany have failed to perform in big tournaments. Yet Löw managed to go to semifinal or better every single time. Be happy.
On July 08 2016 06:26 sharkie wrote: Countries with squads as good as this Germany have failed to perform in big tournaments. Yet Löw managed to go to semifinal or better every single time. Be happy.
That works for Löw but not Guardiola? =D
If Guardiola would have won a single Champions League with Bayern his stint would be deemed a great success by everyone. He didn't though.
On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote: The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
Don't be mad you just have bad mentality lol.
I'll still need a rational explanation on why I should cheer for France because I'm French.
On July 08 2016 17:05 sharkie wrote: wow Lloris has more caps and less goals conceded than Neuer I always considered him world class but he really is underrated imo.
Lloris is for sure world-class, I'm surprised he didn't get to move from Tottenham to a better club. He deserves it. He was the one who prevented many humiliations for the French team in the 2009-2012 era.
On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote: The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
Don't be mad you just have bad mentality lol.
I'll still need a rational explanation on why I should cheer for France because I'm French.
I don't care that you cheer for France or not. But hating on French football team because football is popular is silly. If you don't care you don't post in football LR threads nor want explicitly French team to do bad. So you care and have a bad mentality ^^.
On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote: The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
Don't be mad you just have bad mentality lol.
I'll still need a rational explanation on why I should cheer for France because I'm French.
No one forces you to cheer for your country. But cheering against your own country is just meh...
On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote: The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
Don't be mad you just have bad mentality lol.
I'll still need a rational explanation on why I should cheer for France because I'm French.
I don't care that you cheer for France or not. But hating on French football team because football is popular is silly. If you don't care you don't post in football LR threads nor want explicitly French team to do bad. So you care and have a bad mentality ^^.
I don't "hate" on the French football team because football is popular (because else I just wouldn't watch football, as you pointed out) ; I "hate" (I just support their opponents more often than not, as I'll cheer for France in the finals, for example) on the French football team because it is overhyped relatively to the other national football teams, to the other French national teams, and to their actual skill.
On July 08 2016 17:05 sharkie wrote: wow Lloris has more caps and less goals conceded than Neuer I always considered him world class but he really is underrated imo.
He was held back by the old Spurs and France defense a few years back. His saves are mostly understated and he doesn't play like a sweeper/GK like Neuer.
Currently I will still rate Neuer, Buffon, DDG above Lloris but this may change soon.
The funniest thing i've heard about the game was someone in german radio claiming Germany should have won 10-2 if they had just been better at scoring And i almost drove my car into a wall wondering if i saw a totally different game compared to that person
On July 08 2016 19:08 BlackCompany wrote: The funniest thing i've heard about the game was someone in german radio claiming Germany should have won 10-2 if they had just been better at scoring And i almost drove my car into a wall wondering if i saw a totally different game compared to that person
German shots in the 2nd half after the 2-0 were so bad/not accurate that I thought they were just giving balls to the spectators since they have lost already or something. But then I saw many more simulations so they were just playing bad.
I still don't know if our defense is not as bad as people thought or if Germany's attack is bad enough to let us think that, probably a bit of both.
Germany's been unlucky with their players but so do we afaik right before Euro, Italy fought hard and left some scars thankfully.
On July 08 2016 19:08 BlackCompany wrote: The funniest thing i've heard about the game was someone in german radio claiming Germany should have won 10-2 if they had just been better at scoring And i almost drove my car into a wall wondering if i saw a totally different game compared to that person
German shots in the 2nd half after the 2-0 were so bad/not accurate that I thought they were just giving balls to the spectators since they have lost already or something. But then I saw many more simulations so they were just playing bad.
That is my opinion as well, there were like 2 or 3 good shots that could have been a goal. But i was completly lost where that radio moderator got the 10 goals from
Aaaaaaaaaand Clattenburg is the ref for the final so the English can feel slightly relevant to the decisive stages of this tournament and Pande has something to banter about. At least as long as he doens't continue the tradition of screwing over Portugal in European finals =)
Why does England still send players to such tournaments? Why do they actually still train players?
They could be a great and important football nation, if instead of trying to teach Rooneys, Allis and Harts how to handle the ball, instead they would just train them on the whistle. They could be the beacon of neutrality, like Switzerland is in diplomatics, they could be in footie. Just sending their refs to every tourney, do what they do best and everyone would praise England. But instead they are sending those "teams". They are clearly not playing to their own strength here.
I heard England players are bad but carried by good foreign players playing in their league and team, so England is always hyped in WC/Euro. Still not sure if that was a troll or just the truth :o.
On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote: The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals. The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents. Fuck this.
Don't be mad you just have bad mentality lol.
I'll still need a rational explanation on why I should cheer for France because I'm French.
No one forces you to cheer for your country. But cheering against your own country is just meh...
I think "hate" isn't the right word for this feeling. I don't support France either, I even often am happy when they lose. I think I'm "disappointed" with that team. They have been playing a bad football style for as long as I remember (even when they won in 98-2000), we've had arrogant d*ckheads that made it even worse for me (Anelka, Evra, Benzema, etc.), and overall French football is plagued by hypocrisy and lack of any will to change things for the better (you guys should check the league games sometimes).
I have a similar love/hate relationship with PSG. I was super young when it was the best moment in the club's history, then when I was a teenager until very recently, every year they took the worst possible decisions and played worse and worse. At some point seeing them lose became a good thing, like it would make them realize things if they ever got relegated. Often you need to be in the worst situation to make decisions that actually change things.
To go back to the French team, maybe if I was born during Platini's era, I would have a bit more love for them xD
On July 08 2016 19:08 BlackCompany wrote: The funniest thing i've heard about the game was someone in german radio claiming Germany should have won 10-2 if they had just been better at scoring And i almost drove my car into a wall wondering if i saw a totally different game compared to that person
German shots in the 2nd half after the 2-0 were so bad/not accurate that I thought they were just giving balls to the spectators since they have lost already or something. But then I saw many more simulations so they were just playing bad.
I still don't know if our defense is not as bad as people thought or if Germany's attack is bad enough to let us think that, probably a bit of both.
Germany's been unlucky with their players but so do we afaik right before Euro, Italy fought hard and left some scars thankfully.
Honestly, Umtiti-Koscielny looks like it could become a very solid duo with more coordination/practice together. I'm more concerned about Evra & Sagna.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
I would say the games showed that France was indeed "easier" than Italy. Germany was lucky to win vs Italy and unlucky to lose vs France.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
Well for the penalty, the rule is : even if unintentional, hand in the surface is a penalty and it prevented the french player to reach the ball, so it's an hard call to make to give a penalty for a minor fault for the ref in such a game but he went by the rules. The rest didn't shock me that much,I don't even remember example 3 so you might be right,what i noticed was mostly some shirt grabbing being ignored/unseen on the french side
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
I just realized that this is the 1st time that Germany lost by 2 goal differential in a major tournament since losing to Italy in WC 2006. Pretty impressive, considering how teams like Italy, Spain and Brazil all got clobbered at least once during that time.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far.
Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend and then hope to get lucky at some point. Which they were but I will not be impressed by that.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far.
Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend and then hope to get lucky at some point. Which they were but I will not be impressed by that.
And I said easy compared to France.
Oh Portugal definitely looked superior to Austria and Iceland (didn't watch the Hungary game so can't comment on it). Do people get their memories erased or what? Portugal was full offense in the group stages. 70 shots in group stage alone...
Yeah... Portugal just completely reversed their strategy in the playoffs. Groupstage they went yolooffense. This failed miserably against weak opposition. So Santos decided to instead destroy the opponents play. This caught Croatia completely by surprise, now Portugal games are ugly as fuck, but well... whatever wins them things.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far.
Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend and then hope to get lucky at some point. Which they were but I will not be impressed by that.
And I said easy compared to France.
Total Attempts: Portugal 23 - 3 Austria Portugal 27 - 4 Iceland Portugal 19 - 10 Hungary Portugal 21 - 14 Poland Portugal 17 - 9 Wales
The Croatia game is the outlier, they had 17 attempts but 0 on target and never looked threatening except for the single opportunity they had just before Portugal's goal. If by lucky you mean not having clear penalties conceded in every single knock-out game we've played, then you'd be right.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far.
Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend and then hope to get lucky at some point. Which they were but I will not be impressed by that.
And I said easy compared to France.
Total Attempts: Portugal 23 - 3 Austria Portugal 27 - 4 Iceland Portugal 19 - 10 Hungary Portugal 21 - 14 Poland Portugal 17 - 9 Wales
The Croatia game is the outlier, they had 17 attempts but 0 on target and never looked threatening except for the single opportunity they had just before Portugal's goal. If by lucky you mean not having clear penalties conceded in every single knock-out game we've played, then you'd be right.
If you need it spelled out, by lucky I mean advancing although they only got 3rd in one of the weakest groups. Advancing against Croatia although they did nothing but defend all game and had this one counter attack that went in. Advancing against Poland because of penalty shooting. And finally lucky because of having probably the easiest path to the final any team has ever had.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far.
Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend and then hope to get lucky at some point. Which they were but I will not be impressed by that.
And I said easy compared to France.
Total Attempts: Portugal 23 - 3 Austria Portugal 27 - 4 Iceland Portugal 19 - 10 Hungary Portugal 21 - 14 Poland Portugal 17 - 9 Wales
The Croatia game is the outlier, they had 17 attempts but 0 on target and never looked threatening except for the single opportunity they had just before Portugal's goal. If by lucky you mean not having clear penalties conceded in every single knock-out game we've played, then you'd be right.
If you need it spelled out, by lucky I mean advancing although they only got 3rd in one of the weakest groups. Advancing against Croatia although they did nothing but defend all game and had this one counter attack that went in. Advancing against Poland because of penalty shooting. And finally lucky because of having probably the easiest path to the final any team has ever had.
Dude, you said "Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend" That's what we rage about
On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote: [quote] No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far.
Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend and then hope to get lucky at some point. Which they were but I will not be impressed by that.
And I said easy compared to France.
Total Attempts: Portugal 23 - 3 Austria Portugal 27 - 4 Iceland Portugal 19 - 10 Hungary Portugal 21 - 14 Poland Portugal 17 - 9 Wales
The Croatia game is the outlier, they had 17 attempts but 0 on target and never looked threatening except for the single opportunity they had just before Portugal's goal. If by lucky you mean not having clear penalties conceded in every single knock-out game we've played, then you'd be right.
If you need it spelled out, by lucky I mean advancing although they only got 3rd in one of the weakest groups. Advancing against Croatia although they did nothing but defend all game and had this one counter attack that went in. Advancing against Poland because of penalty shooting. And finally lucky because of having probably the easiest path to the final any team has ever had.
Dude, you said "Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend" That's what we rage about
Yeah ok then they played more offensively in group stage. Does not change anything about how well I think they played.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far.
Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend and then hope to get lucky at some point. Which they were but I will not be impressed by that.
And I said easy compared to France.
Total Attempts: Portugal 23 - 3 Austria Portugal 27 - 4 Iceland Portugal 19 - 10 Hungary Portugal 21 - 14 Poland Portugal 17 - 9 Wales
The Croatia game is the outlier, they had 17 attempts but 0 on target and never looked threatening except for the single opportunity they had just before Portugal's goal. If by lucky you mean not having clear penalties conceded in every single knock-out game we've played, then you'd be right.
Yeah I agree tbh.
They looked superior to all 3 teams in the grp stages. They were just balls at scoring and when they did score they were balls at defending.
They played pretty shit in the Croatia and Poland games when the competition was actually serious, is why I am not impressed with them.
As for those stats. Please. Any game Ronaldo is playing in will have a bunch of helicopter busters in it. Very few of those were even close to quality looks.
I was responding to "All they did was defend". Unless we were trying to shoot down them helicopters from behind the half line, then that number of attempts tells you that we actually were doing some attacking in those games.
Fun fact : if France wins this Euro, it'll become the most successful European country as a host, with 3 titles for 5 events hosted. France is currently at 50% "host success" rate, like England, Italy, and Spain.
On July 09 2016 08:44 Shellshock wrote: There isn't a team I would normally want to win between these too but rooting for Portugal for TL salt overload seems to be a good choice
You can get the same level of salt by denying them a key penalty and let them lose 1-0 in the 89th minute. So if you are in for the salt, there are many ways this game can deliver.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
I understand you are a German, you are used to win, ok we get that..
Now open your eyes and watch football instead of simply saying others sucks without watching the games.. we draw 3 games but we should have had 3 wins.. sorry to burst your bubble!
If Germany should have won against france so should we against all our opponents besides croatia that was a 0 chance game for both teams until our goal
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
I understand you are a German, you are used to win, ok we get that..
Now open your eyes and watch football instead of simply saying others sucks without watching the games.. we draw 3 games but we should have had 3 wins.. sorry to burst your bubble!
If Germany should have won against france so should we against all our opponents besides croatia that was a 0 chance game for both teams until our goal
Uh, Croatia had half a dozen very good chances to score a goal. Vida alone had two or three.
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
I understand you are a German, you are used to win, ok we get that..
Now open your eyes and watch football instead of simply saying others sucks without watching the games.. we draw 3 games but we should have had 3 wins.. sorry to burst your bubble!
If Germany should have won against france so should we against all our opponents besides croatia that was a 0 chance game for both teams until our goal
Uh, Croatia had half a dozen very good chances to score a goal. Vida alone had two or three.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
ok sure they had friend !
So you are talking about the 2 headers he had that went out? ok we had one from pepe plus a penalty kick not called!
But sure.. they were so much better.. you know i watch the 120 minutes of defensive football by BOTH TEAMS not just Portugal
On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote: hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
I understand you are a German, you are used to win, ok we get that..
Now open your eyes and watch football instead of simply saying others sucks without watching the games.. we draw 3 games but we should have had 3 wins.. sorry to burst your bubble!
If Germany should have won against france so should we against all our opponents besides croatia that was a 0 chance game for both teams until our goal
Uh, Croatia had half a dozen very good chances to score a goal. Vida alone had two or three.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
ok sure they had friend !
Vida 120+2' Vida header 113' Vida header 62' Brozovic header 52' Rakitic free kick 45'
And that's not counting the 4-5 times Croatia had opportunities but the shots ended up very high in the sky (overall shots count : 17-6 in Croatia's favor)
Yes it was a boring game, yes Croatia didn't play much better than Portugal, but saying that they had 0 chances is as false as saying that Portugal only defended in group stages.
haha that's funny.. so now they had a great game and we survived by luck.. sure dude
Funny how Portugal misses chances with plus 20 shots and we are a defensive team.. others shot 17 times 0 GK defenses and they deserve to win and score loads of goals
^^
And we also had chances.. at least 4 + the goal + penalty not awarded!
You can say we suck, you can say whatever.. truth is tomorrow we are going to play one more game against france and all the other EU teams are going to watch on the TV
On July 09 2016 21:23 shell wrote: haha that's funny.. so now they had a great game and we survived by luck.. sure dude
Funny how Portugal misses chances with plus 20 shots and we are a defensive team.. others shot 17 times 0 GK defenses and they deserve to win and score loads of goals
^^
And we also had chances.. at least 4 + the goal + penalty not awarded!
You can say we suck, you can say whatever.. truth is tomorrow we are going to play one more game against france and all the other EU teams are going to watch on the TV
On July 09 2016 21:23 shell wrote: haha that's funny.. so now they had a great game and we survived by luck.. sure dude
Funny how Portugal misses chances with plus 20 shots and we are a defensive team.. others shot 17 times 0 GK defenses and they deserve to win and score loads of goals
^^
And we also had chances.. at least 4 + the goal + penalty not awarded!
You can say we suck, you can say whatever.. truth is tomorrow we are going to play one more game against france and all the other EU teams are going to watch on the TV
Jesus dude, try not to make me say things I didn't say, and try not to take everything that's not praising Portugal as the best football team ever as a personal insult Oo
I never said Croatia had a great game and Portugal survived through sheer luck, I never said that Croatia deserved to win or whatever shit you're making up. I said that both teams played meh, but that saying that Croatia had 0 chances to score a goal was false, as I showed to you with facts. And if anything, them having several missed goal chances is a sign that they didn't play well, not that they had a great game. I also didn't say that Portugal didn't have any chances.
I also didn't say that Portugal suck (and I think French people would be ill-advised to think they won't be hard to beat), although I stand by my opinion that the only thing that allowed Portugal to beat Croatia and Poland was Pepe being all over the place and making no mistakes, and although I personally heavily dislike that team for reasons.
No wonder you think everyone hates Portugal if you distort everything to make it sound that way.
Yeah i'm fed up with the portugal fans as well. Up to the semis they scraped through, then suddenly all the fans start acting like theyve been one of the best teams. I think portugese football deserves an international title by now, but I can't bring myself to cheer for a 3rd placed team in their group.
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