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Aaaaaaaaaand Clattenburg is the ref for the final so the English can feel slightly relevant to the decisive stages of this tournament and Pande has something to banter about.
At least as long as he doens't continue the tradition of screwing over Portugal in European finals =)
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Why does England still send players to such tournaments?
Why do they actually still train players?
They could be a great and important football nation, if instead of trying to teach Rooneys, Allis and Harts how to handle the ball, instead they would just train them on the whistle.
They could be the beacon of neutrality, like Switzerland is in diplomatics, they could be in footie. Just sending their refs to every tourney, do what they do best and everyone would praise England. But instead they are sending those "teams". They are clearly not playing to their own strength here.
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France13005 Posts
I heard England players are bad but carried by good foreign players playing in their league and team, so England is always hyped in WC/Euro.
Still not sure if that was a troll or just the truth :o.
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On July 08 2016 17:51 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 17:23 OtherWorld wrote:On July 08 2016 07:09 Poopi wrote:On July 08 2016 05:54 OtherWorld wrote:
The only two teams I didn't want to well out of the whole 24 are in the finals.
The two teams that got the easiest groups too, and, for France, the easiest Ro16 & 8 opponents.
Fuck this. Don't be mad you just have bad mentality lol. I'll still need a rational explanation on why I should cheer for France because I'm French. No one forces you to cheer for your country. But cheering against your own country is just meh...
I think "hate" isn't the right word for this feeling. I don't support France either, I even often am happy when they lose. I think I'm "disappointed" with that team. They have been playing a bad football style for as long as I remember (even when they won in 98-2000), we've had arrogant d*ckheads that made it even worse for me (Anelka, Evra, Benzema, etc.), and overall French football is plagued by hypocrisy and lack of any will to change things for the better (you guys should check the league games sometimes).
I have a similar love/hate relationship with PSG. I was super young when it was the best moment in the club's history, then when I was a teenager until very recently, every year they took the worst possible decisions and played worse and worse. At some point seeing them lose became a good thing, like it would make them realize things if they ever got relegated. Often you need to be in the worst situation to make decisions that actually change things.
To go back to the French team, maybe if I was born during Platini's era, I would have a bit more love for them xD
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Germany25658 Posts
Portugal against france, that's like having to vote for Trump or Hillary.
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On July 08 2016 19:34 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 19:08 BlackCompany wrote:
The funniest thing i've heard about the game was someone in german radio claiming Germany should have won 10-2 if they had just been better at scoring
And i almost drove my car into a wall wondering if i saw a totally different game compared to that person German shots in the 2nd half after the 2-0 were so bad/not accurate that I thought they were just giving balls to the spectators since they have lost already or something. But then I saw many more simulations so they were just playing bad. I still don't know if our defense is not as bad as people thought or if Germany's attack is bad enough to let us think that, probably a bit of both. Germany's been unlucky with their players but so do we afaik right before Euro, Italy fought hard and left some scars thankfully.
Honestly, Umtiti-Koscielny looks like it could become a very solid duo with more coordination/practice together. I'm more concerned about Evra & Sagna.
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On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D
No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
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France13005 Posts
On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw.
After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain.
We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy  .
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On July 08 2016 23:04 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote:On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw. After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer.
Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too.
Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias
Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position
Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch)
Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty?
Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions
EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
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On July 08 2016 23:04 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote:On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw. After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy .
I would say the games showed that France was indeed "easier" than Italy. Germany was lucky to win vs Italy and unlucky to lose vs France.
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On July 08 2016 23:35 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 23:04 Poopi wrote:On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote:On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw. After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy . i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too. Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch) Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty? Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
Well for the penalty, the rule is : even if unintentional, hand in the surface is a penalty and it prevented the french player to reach the ball, so it's an hard call to make to give a penalty for a minor fault for the ref in such a game but he went by the rules.
The rest didn't shock me that much,I don't even remember example 3 so you might be right,what i noticed was mostly some shirt grabbing being ignored/unseen on the french side
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On July 08 2016 23:35 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 23:04 Poopi wrote:On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote:On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw. After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy . i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too. Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch) Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty? Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^
So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad 
So you guys are now into the "IF's" ??
you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award!
Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
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On July 09 2016 01:22 shell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 23:35 Harris1st wrote:On July 08 2016 23:04 Poopi wrote:On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote:On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw. After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy . i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too. Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch) Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty? Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^ So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad So you guys are now into the "IF's" ?? you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award! Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^)
Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
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I just realized that this is the 1st time that Germany lost by 2 goal differential in a major tournament since losing to Italy in WC 2006.
Pretty impressive, considering how teams like Italy, Spain and Brazil all got clobbered at least once during that time.
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true, but from days you see a decent numbers of germans going ham against portugal so there is that
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On July 09 2016 01:33 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2016 01:22 shell wrote:On July 08 2016 23:35 Harris1st wrote:On July 08 2016 23:04 Poopi wrote:On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote:On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw. After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy . i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too. Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch) Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty? Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^ So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad So you guys are now into the "IF's" ?? you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award! Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^) Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany.
You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far.
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On July 09 2016 03:04 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2016 01:33 Redox wrote:On July 09 2016 01:22 shell wrote:On July 08 2016 23:35 Harris1st wrote:On July 08 2016 23:04 Poopi wrote:On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote:On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw. After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy . i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too. Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch) Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty? Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^ So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad So you guys are now into the "IF's" ?? you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award! Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^) Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany. You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far.
Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend and then hope to get lucky at some point. Which they were but I will not be impressed by that.
And I said easy compared to France.
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On July 09 2016 03:14 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2016 03:04 warding wrote:On July 09 2016 01:33 Redox wrote:On July 09 2016 01:22 shell wrote:On July 08 2016 23:35 Harris1st wrote:On July 08 2016 23:04 Poopi wrote:On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote:On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw. After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy . i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too. Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch) Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty? Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^ So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad So you guys are now into the "IF's" ?? you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award! Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^) Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany. You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far. Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend and then hope to get lucky at some point. Which they were but I will not be impressed by that. And I said easy compared to France.
Oh Portugal definitely looked superior to Austria and Iceland (didn't watch the Hungary game so can't comment on it).
Do people get their memories erased or what? Portugal was full offense in the group stages. 70 shots in group stage alone...
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Yeah... Portugal just completely reversed their strategy in the playoffs. Groupstage they went yolooffense. This failed miserably against weak opposition. So Santos decided to instead destroy the opponents play. This caught Croatia completely by surprise, now Portugal games are ugly as fuck, but well... whatever wins them things.
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On July 09 2016 03:14 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2016 03:04 warding wrote:On July 09 2016 01:33 Redox wrote:On July 09 2016 01:22 shell wrote:On July 08 2016 23:35 Harris1st wrote:On July 08 2016 23:04 Poopi wrote:On July 08 2016 22:55 Redox wrote:On July 08 2016 19:44 shell wrote:
hahaha this is so amusing..
German fans were allready thinking they would win against Portugal.. but they forgot they first had to thru France!
hope it's a good game and Portugal wins :D No we were thinking France was the real final because Portugal would be easy if we could beat France. Still thinking the same. French were thinking the same btw. After seeing Germany attack (when they had to score) I think Portugal will be harder to contain. We focus on each match instead of thinking of the finals already, contrary to some German posters here that thought Fra would be an easier opponent than Italy . i think with our full roster France would have been indeed "easier" than Italy. IMO Italys defense is better than French. French fowards are better, but wouldn't matter with 70% possession and Hummels/ Boateng/ Neuer. Then again, Italy game could have gone either way, too. Something to the "salty Germans blaming the Ref": I didn't see any major mistakes or wrong calls, so there is that. But i still feel he was a bit more loose with those yellows and a few situations i did see a foul where the Ref didn't, but that may just be bias Situation example 1: Kroos near the box, tryin to go through 3 french guys. IMO the first one was ineed a foul, the other two didn't need to cause he was already off-balance/falling -> yellow and freekick in good position Situation example 2: Pogba vs Schweinsteiger at a cornerkick -> penalty? (not sure about that one, have to rewatch) Situation example 3: Draxler on the wing vs Evra?. Happened a few times and most of those were absolutely fair. But i think it was the last one, Evra just bodyslammed Draxler without a chance to get the ball -> penalty? Obviously it may just be bias, just curious bout some other opinions EDIT: It helps with coping if you can blame someone ^^ So nice to see cocky german fans becoming sad So you guys are now into the "IF's" ?? you guys lost the "real" final.. now lets see who wins the fake final.. you know? the one that gives a award! Hope it's a nice game and whoever sucks less win.. (since only german knows how to play football ^^) Stop pretending it is cockyness when someone says Portugal played pretty bad overall. That is a simple, non-biased assertion that has nothing to do with Germany. You did not say Portugal played bad, you said it'd be easy. It's also not true Portugal played bad - we've played pretty much how Fernando Santos wanted us to play - not pretty but it got us to the finals and we've never looked inferior to any of our opponents so far. Portugal looked not inferior but also not superior to Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Poland, Croatia. All they did was defend and then hope to get lucky at some point. Which they were but I will not be impressed by that. And I said easy compared to France.
Total Attempts:
Portugal 23 - 3 Austria
Portugal 27 - 4 Iceland
Portugal 19 - 10 Hungary
Portugal 21 - 14 Poland
Portugal 17 - 9 Wales
The Croatia game is the outlier, they had 17 attempts but 0 on target and never looked threatening except for the single opportunity they had just before Portugal's goal. If by lucky you mean not having clear penalties conceded in every single knock-out game we've played, then you'd be right.
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