On October 09 2010 21:33 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On October 09 2010 03:36 -_- wrote:
On October 06 2010 22:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
I'll take his earnest mistakes over your faux machismo anyday of the week.
GOMAD is a horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks.
Lifters love mocking guys who have six packs, but they're just as vain about their squat, bench, and deadlift numbers as the guys talking about the cut of their abs.
If you want to pad your strength numbers as quickly as possible, GOMAD will work. So will the mass gainers and protein shakes you see with Ronnie Coleman on the package. In fact, if you're an untrained, teenage male with raging hormones (Rippetoe's clientile), so will anything.
I don't mean to be rude, and I'm not defending the post you quoted. But the "you're a fucking litte girl pussy if you don't try to get as strong as possible in the least amount of time" gets tiresome. A GOMAD won't kill a teenage boy, but it's not good for him. So unless he has a powerlifting contest coming up in 12 weeks, a healthier route to strength and fitness is advisable.
What I don't understand is why you thought posting this was a good idea. You obviously have never studied anything about bodybuilding or weight training in general, and it shows completely in your post.
I called the guy out because he completely misrepresented what GOMAD was all about and spread misinformation. It seems that you're doing exactly the same thing considering you call GOMAD a "horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks." I mean, exactly what are you basing this on? For reasons described in my earlier post, a 6000 calorie a day diet is ideal for building as much LBM as fast as possible, and it's doubtful that you're going to hit such a number without GOMAD. This is especially true of you are an ectomorph who has problems with putting mass on.
Furthermore, you seem to think that GOMAD is unhealthy. Do you have anything to back this claim up? Whole milk is loaded with essential nutrients, and all of its perceived bad points (such as the high fat content) are based off of the broken lipid hypothesis. As a matter of fact, whole milk is arguably healthier than that processed as hell skim milk for practically any person.
Rippetoe's clientele is not full of 15 year old boys. As a matter of fact, there have been 30+ year old men--well into the period of their lives where testosterone levels decrease--who have experienced similar results off of GOMAD and a full body strength routine as any teenager. While young men may have an advantage in lifting, it is completely irrelevant to GOMAD, considering workout routines aimed at building mass are best accompanied by high calorie diets, regardless of the age group.
My comment was (obviously) directed to those who want to bulk. Too many guys go into the gym with the goal of putting on 40 pounds of muscle while keeping their six packs. This just doesn't work. You simply can't put on that much LBM without some fat coming, and worrying about your body composition (to a certain point at least) while you bulk up is a terrible, vain thing to do. Honestly, if you don't want to get fat, bulk to 16-18% body fat, then cut the fat down again. You can repeat this several times, which is similar to what I am doing. Giving people the expectation that they can get huge fast on 3000 calorie/day diets and hard training is a pretty terrible thing to do.
First, I know a lot about weightlifting. I'm trying to think of a way to be more specific without sounding like a braggart. I'm a dedicated lifter. If you want my numbers, I'll PM you.
Second, Rippetoe has never trained a 35 year old and had that person put on 60 pounds, 40 of it being lean muscle, in three months. He's never done anything similar to that. You say I have no knowledge, but if you believe this, you think an absolute physiological impossibility can occur.
Third, GOMAD is objectively unhealthy. It will drastically spike your insulin, it's loaded with salt, and it's dripping with saturated fat. To see why it's unhealthy, you don't have to farther than the nutrition label. Also, you're getting too many calories from one nutritional source. Nutrutional diversity is the basis of a good diet. It's easy to say "drink a GOMAD + a normal diet," but you can't do this. Plus, while I'm actually not up to date on the chemicals which go into milk production, it certainly seems like a cause of concern.
With all due respect, anybody who has to say "I know a lot about weightlifting" probably doesn't know much about weightlifting at all. I have zero interest in your numbers because I've seen idiots at the gym benching 320 x 5 just because they've been at it so long. Your numbers mean nothing to me.
There are plenty of people who have attested to the effectiveness of Rippetoe's program; stop pulling these claims out of your ass. You seem to be under the assumption that GOMAD does not contribute anything to a person's physical stature, and that they would get the same exact results without it. I don't understand how you can call my position ridiculous when you actually believe this.
Third of all, no, it's not objectively unhealthy; do some research FFS. The sugar content in milk is slowly absorbed, so no, it does not create a significant insulin spike, especially considering you don't drink all of the milk at the same time. The salt content is relatively low as well, with a whole gallon only giving you 60% of your daily recommended amount of salt--not bad considering the rest of your diet can be clean and low in salt. And finally, no the saturated fat in milk will not hurt your body; the lipid hypothesis (which I mentioned earlier) was broken in its conception and the mass amount of support it gets is probably what causes a good deal of the disease in the United States, considering to make food palatable and low-fat, food producers reinforce it with sugar and HFCS.
I'd really like to see a real argument out of you instead of just false claims and "it's bad because it's bad." If you don't have one, clicking the big red X in the top right of your browser window will allow you to leave this thread safely.
Things are getting personal, and it's definitely my fault considering my first post.
I would be interested in what information you have you on the insulin spike of a full gallon of milk a day. I would also be interested in the information you have on taking in more than 3&1/2 times the recommended amount of saturated fat a day, every day, for months. Finally, I would be interested in how you control you salt intake considering its occurence in many foods that are considered clean.
However, I don't want to be responsible for derailing this thread further, so if you want, you can have the last word and I won't respond.
Thanks for the discussion, you definitely know more about this stuff than most. However, you are definitely a novice lifter (this is earnestly not meant to to be an insult). So my initial reaction to you was much more harsh than it should have been (my thought being, what the hell could this guy know?).
On October 10 2010 01:20 travis wrote: well i upped my number of sets on my holds from 3 per session to 6 per session making nice gains in fl, real nice gains in planche, but very tiny gains in manna lol
though i have gotten quite flexible if i do a forward bend i can press my forehead down against my knees real tight
also my german hangs seem to be mighty deep though i still can't hold it for much longer than 30 seconds without feeling worried im gonna hurt myself
i wonder if my manna gains are so slow cuz it's the last exercise i do in my workout?
Exercise priority is a big factor.
Your effectiveness decreases per set you do so the last exercises in your workout aren't going to stimulate as big of effects becauase you fatigue more.
But yeah... that's why I put mannain the beginning.
On October 10 2010 00:04 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On October 09 2010 23:36 -_- wrote:
On October 09 2010 21:33 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On October 09 2010 03:36 -_- wrote:
On October 06 2010 22:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
I'll take his earnest mistakes over your faux machismo anyday of the week.
GOMAD is a horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks.
Lifters love mocking guys who have six packs, but they're just as vain about their squat, bench, and deadlift numbers as the guys talking about the cut of their abs.
If you want to pad your strength numbers as quickly as possible, GOMAD will work. So will the mass gainers and protein shakes you see with Ronnie Coleman on the package. In fact, if you're an untrained, teenage male with raging hormones (Rippetoe's clientile), so will anything.
I don't mean to be rude, and I'm not defending the post you quoted. But the "you're a fucking litte girl pussy if you don't try to get as strong as possible in the least amount of time" gets tiresome. A GOMAD won't kill a teenage boy, but it's not good for him. So unless he has a powerlifting contest coming up in 12 weeks, a healthier route to strength and fitness is advisable.
What I don't understand is why you thought posting this was a good idea. You obviously have never studied anything about bodybuilding or weight training in general, and it shows completely in your post.
I called the guy out because he completely misrepresented what GOMAD was all about and spread misinformation. It seems that you're doing exactly the same thing considering you call GOMAD a "horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks." I mean, exactly what are you basing this on? For reasons described in my earlier post, a 6000 calorie a day diet is ideal for building as much LBM as fast as possible, and it's doubtful that you're going to hit such a number without GOMAD. This is especially true of you are an ectomorph who has problems with putting mass on.
Furthermore, you seem to think that GOMAD is unhealthy. Do you have anything to back this claim up? Whole milk is loaded with essential nutrients, and all of its perceived bad points (such as the high fat content) are based off of the broken lipid hypothesis. As a matter of fact, whole milk is arguably healthier than that processed as hell skim milk for practically any person.
Rippetoe's clientele is not full of 15 year old boys. As a matter of fact, there have been 30+ year old men--well into the period of their lives where testosterone levels decrease--who have experienced similar results off of GOMAD and a full body strength routine as any teenager. While young men may have an advantage in lifting, it is completely irrelevant to GOMAD, considering workout routines aimed at building mass are best accompanied by high calorie diets, regardless of the age group.
My comment was (obviously) directed to those who want to bulk. Too many guys go into the gym with the goal of putting on 40 pounds of muscle while keeping their six packs. This just doesn't work. You simply can't put on that much LBM without some fat coming, and worrying about your body composition (to a certain point at least) while you bulk up is a terrible, vain thing to do. Honestly, if you don't want to get fat, bulk to 16-18% body fat, then cut the fat down again. You can repeat this several times, which is similar to what I am doing. Giving people the expectation that they can get huge fast on 3000 calorie/day diets and hard training is a pretty terrible thing to do.
First, I know a lot about weightlifting. I'm trying to think of a way to be more specific without sounding like a braggart. I'm a dedicated lifter. If you want my numbers, I'll PM you.
Second, Rippetoe has never trained a 35 year old and had that person put on 60 pounds, 40 of it being lean muscle, in three months. He's never done anything similar to that. You say I have no knowledge, but if you believe this, you think an absolute physiological impossibility can occur.
Third, GOMAD is objectively unhealthy. It will drastically spike your insulin, it's loaded with salt, and it's dripping with saturated fat. To see why it's unhealthy, you don't have to farther than the nutrition label. Also, you're getting too many calories from one nutritional source. Nutrutional diversity is the basis of a good diet. It's easy to say "drink a GOMAD + a normal diet," but you can't do this. Plus, while I'm actually not up to date on the chemicals which go into milk production, it certainly seems like a cause of concern.
With all due respect, anybody who has to say "I know a lot about weightlifting" probably doesn't know much about weightlifting at all. I have zero interest in your numbers because I've seen idiots at the gym benching 320 x 5 just because they've been at it so long. Your numbers mean nothing to me.
There are plenty of people who have attested to the effectiveness of Rippetoe's program; stop pulling these claims out of your ass. You seem to be under the assumption that GOMAD does not contribute anything to a person's physical stature, and that they would get the same exact results without it. I don't understand how you can call my position ridiculous when you actually believe this.
Third of all, no, it's not objectively unhealthy; do some research FFS. The sugar content in milk is slowly absorbed, so no, it does not create a significant insulin spike, especially considering you don't drink all of the milk at the same time. The salt content is relatively low as well, with a whole gallon only giving you 60% of your daily recommended amount of salt--not bad considering the rest of your diet can be clean and low in salt. And finally, no the saturated fat in milk will not hurt your body; the lipid hypothesis (which I mentioned earlier) was broken in its conception and the mass amount of support it gets is probably what causes a good deal of the disease in the United States, considering to make food palatable and low-fat, food producers reinforce it with sugar and HFCS.
I'd really like to see a real argument out of you instead of just false claims and "it's bad because it's bad." If you don't have one, clicking the big red X in the top right of your browser window will allow you to leave this thread safely.
Things are getting personal, and it's definitely my fault considering my first post.
I would be interested in what information you have you on the insulin spike of a full gallon of milk a day. I would also be interested in the information you have on taking in more than 3&1/2 times the recommended amount of saturated fat a day, every day, for months. Finally, I would be interested in how you control you salt intake considering its occurence in many foods that are considered clean.
However, I don't want to be responsible for derailing this thread further, so if you want, you can have the last word and I won't respond.
Thanks for the discussion, you definitely know more about this stuff than most. However, you are definitely a novice lifter (this is earnestly not meant to to be an insult). So my initial reaction to you was much more harsh than it should have been (my thought being, what the hell could this guy know?).
Peace.
Lame. We've gone over this stuff a couple times in this thread.
Saturated fat and full fat dairy have protective effects on insulin markers and CVD/heart disease/stroke/etc.
Salt intake is not an issue for people whos blood pressure is not an issue. Our bodies have mechanisms to rid us of salt via the kidneys.
The food pyramids of the industrial countries are GARBAGE. And medicine and health care are so screwed up too. Saturated fat is good. Processed foods = bad; refined carbohydrates = bad; industrial seed oils = bad
On October 09 2010 03:21 AoN.DimSum wrote: chigishev just bulked up 10 kg. he had a great save on his snatch at the last worlds.
oops sorry for derailing thread.
Not a derail at all. I watched this live on pirated chinese television, was fucking incredible. Only 1 kilo off of his competition PR, I really didn't think he'd come close to his 2005 peak. Hopefully Klokov will do the same thing. Chigishev has a good shot at olympic gold since they banned that 19 year old iranian kid with an ungodly 460ish total. By weightlifting standards, Chigishev is quite old, so who knows what will happen.
On October 07 2010 18:45 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: Maybe I am ruining the thread with this comment, but are there people who participate in this thread that are not solely hardcore weightlifters. Like I do half-marathon/marathon training and would be interested in what tips people have on nutrition and training. Personally, I think what you do is cool, but I have no personal desire to squat X, bench X, or drink gallons of milk a day.
This thread quickly turned into a weightlifting thread. Not that it's bad, but I would also like to hear from some other people who do other stuff, e.g. crossfit. I used to run a lot, but injured my knee and can't really run anymore (not long distances such as 10+ km anyway). I also used to lift weights A LOT, but I wanted to try something different. So now I am all about crossfit.
Anyone else who do crossfit out there :-)?
Weightliting has everything to do with crossfitters. The crossfit celebrities all use strength programs in addition to crossfit, doing just the WODs and no dedicated strength work is far from optimal. Take a look at Josh Everett or this guy: http://www.365daysofsquatting.blogspot.com/
You need to be strong to be very good at crossfit, and doing only the WODs isn't enough to get you there:
On October 06 2010 22:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
I'll take his earnest mistakes over your faux machismo anyday of the week.
GOMAD is a horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks.
Lifters love mocking guys who have six packs, but they're just as vain about their squat, bench, and deadlift numbers as the guys talking about the cut of their abs.
If you want to pad your strength numbers as quickly as possible, GOMAD will work. So will the mass gainers and protein shakes you see with Ronnie Coleman on the package. In fact, if you're an untrained, teenage male with raging hormones (Rippetoe's clientile), so will anything.
I don't mean to be rude, and I'm not defending the post you quoted. But the "you're a fucking litte girl pussy if you don't try to get as strong as possible in the least amount of time" gets tiresome. A GOMAD won't kill a teenage boy, but it's not good for him. So unless he has a powerlifting contest coming up in 12 weeks, a healthier route to strength and fitness is advisable.
Just completely and utterly wrong. GOMAD over a period of several months coupled with starting strength will not result in that much fat gain. It can even result in relative fat loss as a result of putting on a higher portion of LBM than fat. You obviously haven't read "The Novice Effect", which addresses and refutes pretty much everything you just said. Fat takes weeks to shed, muscle takes years to build. Who's going to look better in the long run? A guy who puts 100lbs on his squat workset in 12 weeks and then cuts for 12 weeks? Or the guy who puts 40lbs on his squat workset over 24 weeks and doesn't bulk or cut during this time period? Nobody advocates drinking a gallon of whole milk/day for your whole life, but for 12-20 week periods, or even shorter than that.
The nutrition rules they blather about on television simply don't apply to strength athletes. A young male CAN take in 3x the recommended amount of saturated fat if he's doing a program as demanding and difficult as starting strength.
On October 10 2010 01:25 Necosarius wrote: Funkie, I hope you have before and after-pics
I actually don't .
didn't bother to take a offshirt pic, I have one when I was in the gym but I didn't know wtf I was doing, by the end of november, I'll take a picture, and post both
today i felt really strong for some reason because it doesnt happen often. I worked up to 80kg snatch for doubles. I kept missing the 2nd rep though. One behind, next in front. Then the third attempt I swung behind so I just stopped. Its annoying when the weight feels easy but I kept missing the weight. Next I worked up to 100kg clean and jerk for doubles. I missed the 2nd jerk. I attempted two more clean and jerks right after which all resulted in missed jerks. Then I just tried resting before trying to make the double. I hit the first one clean, and then missed the 2nd jerk again. I was burned out from the previous set so I stopped. finished off the workout with 135 squat doubles. Need more technique work............. I will be max clean and jerking on Monday.
is it possible that i could be limited in manna by being flexible in a sitting forward bend when my legs are straight out in front of me but not being flexibility if they are split out in front of me?
if so, what should i do? just a sitting forward bend with my legs split?
if so.. i find it hard bringing my back down with nothing to grab onto
On October 10 2010 08:40 travis wrote: ok eshlow, another question
is it possible that i could be limited in manna by being flexible in a sitting forward bend when my legs are straight out in front of me but not being flexibility if they are split out in front of me?
if so, what should i do? just a sitting forward bend with my legs split?
if so.. i find it hard bringing my back down with nothing to grab onto
You need the straddle... well and you need the pike for other stuff but that's extra
Do it at the edge of a step or couch that you can hold onto. The way I do it is I put my hands on my legs and try to pull them backwards which pulls my torso forwards and my legs wider at the same time
Bench: 88kg x 5 x 3 Squat: 114kg x 5 x 3 Dead: 145kg x 5 x 1
Dead I may have to reset in a couple of weeks, squat I feel like I can take it all the way to 125 without a problem, and bench ... well, bench has always given me trouble, but I should get to at least 94 with this reset.
Yeah, I've told myself that once I reach 100kg on Squat, I'm going to reset. Seems like it'd be a nice way to keep growing, without suffering too much. But yes :D
once I hit 100kg Squat (should be this week), I'll reset some 10 or 15% ;p.
On October 11 2010 04:02 funkie wrote: Yeah, I've told myself that once I reach 100kg on Squat, I'm going to reset. Seems like it'd be a nice way to keep growing, without suffering too much. But yes :D
once I hit 100kg Squat (should be this week), I'll reset some 10 or 15% ;p.
100 is just a number, dont plan a weight to reset!!!
edit Recent story: I have been struggling with squats for the past month, barely getting up 130. One workout last week I had to go to 140 for doubles. I already had no on time because I came from class and the gym was closing in an hour. I worked quickly through hang clean up to 100, clean pulls 120, then squats. I was worrying I wouldnt be able to hit it. The trainer just told me "its just a number, just do it" I got myself amped up and hit all 3 sets of 140 doubles without much grind. I think lifting is mostly mental, if you are focused and determined, you will succeed. Dont give up before you even try.
I think i want to start incorporating snatches into my workouts...What do i do dimsum??? lso, is it bad to do hang cleans with a ton of weight (i.e. are my shoulders going to get ripped out of their sockets if i ever get to sets w/ 225 or something when i bring the weight from my shoulders to knees)
On October 11 2010 15:10 decafchicken wrote: I think i want to start incorporating snatches into my workouts...What do i do dimsum??? lso, is it bad to do hang cleans with a ton of weight (i.e. are my shoulders going to get ripped out of their sockets if i ever get to sets w/ 225 or something when i bring the weight from my shoulders to knees)
Maybe just drop the weight, then pick it up again into the hang? Probably better for your shoulders.
On October 07 2010 18:45 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: Maybe I am ruining the thread with this comment, but are there people who participate in this thread that are not solely hardcore weightlifters. Like I do half-marathon/marathon training and would be interested in what tips people have on nutrition and training. Personally, I think what you do is cool, but I have no personal desire to squat X, bench X, or drink gallons of milk a day.
This thread quickly turned into a weightlifting thread. Not that it's bad, but I would also like to hear from some other people who do other stuff, e.g. crossfit. I used to run a lot, but injured my knee and can't really run anymore (not long distances such as 10+ km anyway). I also used to lift weights A LOT, but I wanted to try something different. So now I am all about crossfit.
Anyone else who do crossfit out there :-)?
Weightliting has everything to do with crossfitters. The crossfit celebrities all use strength programs in addition to crossfit, doing just the WODs and no dedicated strength work is far from optimal. Take a look at Josh Everett or this guy: http://www.365daysofsquatting.blogspot.com/
You're right. And I know; I was just really fed up with lifting stuff for a while and wanted to try something really high intensity work (but not running). I just very recently started to do some weights besides crossfit. But whereas I once did a lot of no good exercises, I now only do front- and backsquat, deadlift, bench press and olympic lifts. Usually 5x5 or 5x3. And I really like it!
But I would still like to hear from people who do crossfit as well!
On October 11 2010 15:10 decafchicken wrote: I think i want to start incorporating snatches into my workouts...What do i do dimsum??? lso, is it bad to do hang cleans with a ton of weight (i.e. are my shoulders going to get ripped out of their sockets if i ever get to sets w/ 225 or something when i bring the weight from my shoulders to knees)
Maybe just drop the weight, then pick it up again into the hang? Probably better for your shoulders.
Gym management won't let us. My friend was power cleaning and someone actually told him he had to stop cause the bar could break. Because Olympic bars obviously break when you use them for Olympic lifts.
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