And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
I'll take his earnest mistakes over your faux machismo anyday of the week.
GOMAD is a horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks.
Lifters love mocking guys who have six packs, but they're just as vain about their squat, bench, and deadlift numbers as the guys talking about the cut of their abs.
If you want to pad your strength numbers as quickly as possible, GOMAD will work. So will the mass gainers and protein shakes you see with Ronnie Coleman on the package. In fact, if you're an untrained, teenage male with raging hormones (Rippetoe's clientile), so will anything.
I don't mean to be rude, and I'm not defending the post you quoted. But the "you're a fucking litte girl pussy if you don't try to get as strong as possible in the least amount of time" gets tiresome. A GOMAD won't kill a teenage boy, but it's not good for him. So unless he has a powerlifting contest coming up in 12 weeks, a healthier route to strength and fitness is advisable.
On October 06 2010 22:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
I'll take his earnest mistakes over your faux machismo anyday of the week.
GOMAD is a horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks.
Milk-bloated boys love mocking guys who have six packs, but they're just as vain about their squat, bench, and deadlift numbers as the guys talking about the cut of their abs.
If you want to pad your strength numbers as quickly as possible, GOMAD will work. So will the mass gainers and protein shakes you see with Ronnie Coleman on the package. In fact, if you're an untrained, teenage male with raging hormones (Rippetoe's clientile), so will anything.
I don't mean to be rude, and I'm not defending the post you quoted. But the "you're a fucking litte girl pussy if you don't try to get as strong as possible in the least amount of time" gets tiresome. A GOMAD won't kill a teenage boy, but it's not good for him. So unless he has a powerlifting contest coming up in 12 weeks, a healthier route to strength and fitness is advisable.
This seems highly subjective. If you don't like it, don't do it, but GOMAD has worked for tons of people I know, both teenage and not. Besides the obvious caveat of microallergies to the lactose, which pretty much just result in gas, it's an excellent way to increase caloric intake for people who just aren't accustomed to eating 6 meals a day, or don't have the time to do so.
edit: I can't get over your phrasing. Milk-bloated boys? Come on. I also have no problem with a true lean athlete vaunting his six-pack. It's when people like + Show Spoiler +
On October 06 2010 22:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
I'll take his earnest mistakes over your faux machismo anyday of the week.
GOMAD is a horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks.
Milk-bloated boys love mocking guys who have six packs, but they're just as vain about their squat, bench, and deadlift numbers as the guys talking about the cut of their abs.
If you want to pad your strength numbers as quickly as possible, GOMAD will work. So will the mass gainers and protein shakes you see with Ronnie Coleman on the package. In fact, if you're an untrained, teenage male with raging hormones (Rippetoe's clientile), so will anything.
I don't mean to be rude, and I'm not defending the post you quoted. But the "you're a fucking litte girl pussy if you don't try to get as strong as possible in the least amount of time" gets tiresome. A GOMAD won't kill a teenage boy, but it's not good for him. So unless he has a powerlifting contest coming up in 12 weeks, a healthier route to strength and fitness is advisable.
This seems highly subjective. If you don't like it, don't do it, but GOMAD has worked for tons of people I know, both teenage and not. Besides the obvious caveat of microallergies to the lactose, which pretty much just result in gas, it's an excellent way to increase caloric intake for people who just aren't accustomed to eating 6 meals a day, or don't have the time to do so.
edit: I can't get over your phrasing. Milk-bloated boys? Come on. I also have no problem with a true lean athlete vaunting his six-pack. It's when people like + Show Spoiler +
start bragging that I start to get irritated.
Honestly, I used "boys" because I didn't want to write "guys" twice. And it carried a derogative connation which I wanted to convey. Reading it again, it vaguely unsettles me as well.
On October 06 2010 22:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
I'll take his earnest mistakes over your faux machismo anyday of the week.
GOMAD is a horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks.
Milk-bloated boys love mocking guys who have six packs, but they're just as vain about their squat, bench, and deadlift numbers as the guys talking about the cut of their abs.
If you want to pad your strength numbers as quickly as possible, GOMAD will work. So will the mass gainers and protein shakes you see with Ronnie Coleman on the package. In fact, if you're an untrained, teenage male with raging hormones (Rippetoe's clientile), so will anything.
I don't mean to be rude, and I'm not defending the post you quoted. But the "you're a fucking litte girl pussy if you don't try to get as strong as possible in the least amount of time" gets tiresome. A GOMAD won't kill a teenage boy, but it's not good for him. So unless he has a powerlifting contest coming up in 12 weeks, a healthier route to strength and fitness is advisable.
This seems highly subjective. If you don't like it, don't do it, but GOMAD has worked for tons of people I know, both teenage and not. Besides the obvious caveat of microallergies to the lactose, which pretty much just result in gas, it's an excellent way to increase caloric intake for people who just aren't accustomed to eating 6 meals a day, or don't have the time to do so.
edit: I can't get over your phrasing. Milk-bloated boys? Come on. I also have no problem with a true lean athlete vaunting his six-pack. It's when people like + Show Spoiler +
start bragging that I start to get irritated.
Honestly, I used "boys" because I didn't want to write "guys" twice. And it carried a derogative connation which I wanted to convey. Reading it again, it vaguely unsettles me as well.
I think it's an understatement to call earti's claims an earnest mistake. If he is wrong, then he is spreading misinformation and claiming it as fact. This kind of behavior can be very damaging, and anyone who does such a thing most certainly deserves to be chided for it.
That being said, since I am not a professional nutritionist or a fitness expert, so I do not know first hand whether what earti says is wrong. I can only trust that someone like eshlow, who has education in a related field, knows what they're talking about.
On October 06 2010 22:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
I'll take his earnest mistakes over your faux machismo anyday of the week.
GOMAD is a horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks.
Lifters love mocking guys who have six packs, but they're just as vain about their squat, bench, and deadlift numbers as the guys talking about the cut of their abs.
If you want to pad your strength numbers as quickly as possible, GOMAD will work. So will the mass gainers and protein shakes you see with Ronnie Coleman on the package. In fact, if you're an untrained, teenage male with raging hormones (Rippetoe's clientile), so will anything.
I don't mean to be rude, and I'm not defending the post you quoted. But the "you're a fucking litte girl pussy if you don't try to get as strong as possible in the least amount of time" gets tiresome. A GOMAD won't kill a teenage boy, but it's not good for him. So unless he has a powerlifting contest coming up in 12 weeks, a healthier route to strength and fitness is advisable.
What I don't understand is why you thought posting this was a good idea. You obviously have never studied anything about bodybuilding or weight training in general, and it shows completely in your post.
I called the guy out because he completely misrepresented what GOMAD was all about and spread misinformation. It seems that you're doing exactly the same thing considering you call GOMAD a "horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks." I mean, exactly what are you basing this on? For reasons described in my earlier post, a 6000 calorie a day diet is ideal for building as much LBM as fast as possible, and it's doubtful that you're going to hit such a number without GOMAD. This is especially true of you are an ectomorph who has problems with putting mass on.
Furthermore, you seem to think that GOMAD is unhealthy. Do you have anything to back this claim up? Whole milk is loaded with essential nutrients, and all of its perceived bad points (such as the high fat content) are based off of the broken lipid hypothesis. As a matter of fact, whole milk is arguably healthier than that processed as hell skim milk for practically any person.
Rippetoe's clientele is not full of 15 year old boys. As a matter of fact, there have been 30+ year old men--well into the period of their lives where testosterone levels decrease--who have experienced similar results off of GOMAD and a full body strength routine as any teenager. While young men may have an advantage in lifting, it is completely irrelevant to GOMAD, considering workout routines aimed at building mass are best accompanied by high calorie diets, regardless of the age group.
My comment was (obviously) directed to those who want to bulk. Too many guys go into the gym with the goal of putting on 40 pounds of muscle while keeping their six packs. This just doesn't work. You simply can't put on that much LBM without some fat coming, and worrying about your body composition (to a certain point at least) while you bulk up is a terrible, vain thing to do. Honestly, if you don't want to get fat, bulk to 16-18% body fat, then cut the fat down again. You can repeat this several times, which is similar to what I am doing. Giving people the expectation that they can get huge fast on 3000 calorie/day diets and hard training is a pretty terrible thing to do.
On October 09 2010 12:51 unknown.sam wrote: seriously funkie...120press @145bw?! that's insane man.. i probably won't reach that ratio until at least another 6months or so lol
Yeah, a guy came to me in the gym and he was like
"what the fuck are you doing, that you're getting so big in just 1 month?" Since I started SS.
He agreed to try it, and I'll help him out on monday .
Plus, in the gym, they call me "legs" since I do Squats every workout day (mon-wed-frid)
On October 09 2010 12:51 unknown.sam wrote: seriously funkie...120press @145bw?! that's insane man.. i probably won't reach that ratio until at least another 6months or so lol
Yeah, a guy came to me in the gym and he was like
"what the fuck are you doing, that you're getting so big in just 1 month?" Since I started SS.
He agreed to try it, and I'll help him out on monday .
Plus, in the gym, they call me "legs" since I do Squats every workout day (mon-wed-frid)
Sounds like an awesome gym community. My gym is full of guys who deadlift and curl in the squat rack -_-.
Given, there are a couple of decent people there.
120 press at 145 is certainly an achievement. I do 145 at 210 body weight, which is feeling rather pathetic now. Honestly, I'm more of a bench press guy, and on that I do 195 x 5 x 3 now.
On October 09 2010 12:51 unknown.sam wrote: seriously funkie...120press @145bw?! that's insane man.. i probably won't reach that ratio until at least another 6months or so lol
Yeah, a guy came to me in the gym and he was like
"what the fuck are you doing, that you're getting so big in just 1 month?" Since I started SS.
He agreed to try it, and I'll help him out on monday .
Plus, in the gym, they call me "legs" since I do Squats every workout day (mon-wed-frid)
Sounds like an awesome gym community. My gym is full of guys who deadlift and curl in the squat rack -_-.
Given, there are a couple of decent people there.
120 press at 145 is certainly an achievement. I do 145 at 210 body weight, which is feeling rather pathetic now. Honestly, I'm more of a bench press guy, and on that I do 195 x 5 x 3 now.
Not quite, in the beginning there were dudes who told me "you're doing it wrong" and they'd actually tell the guys that work in the gym to stop me cause I might get injured and shit.
Until one of them told, I know what you're doing, someone else explained to me, and I'll have your back don't worry. That was a relief. since then I've been working out freely and easily .
On October 06 2010 22:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
I'll take his earnest mistakes over your faux machismo anyday of the week.
GOMAD is a horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks.
Lifters love mocking guys who have six packs, but they're just as vain about their squat, bench, and deadlift numbers as the guys talking about the cut of their abs.
If you want to pad your strength numbers as quickly as possible, GOMAD will work. So will the mass gainers and protein shakes you see with Ronnie Coleman on the package. In fact, if you're an untrained, teenage male with raging hormones (Rippetoe's clientile), so will anything.
I don't mean to be rude, and I'm not defending the post you quoted. But the "you're a fucking litte girl pussy if you don't try to get as strong as possible in the least amount of time" gets tiresome. A GOMAD won't kill a teenage boy, but it's not good for him. So unless he has a powerlifting contest coming up in 12 weeks, a healthier route to strength and fitness is advisable.
What I don't understand is why you thought posting this was a good idea. You obviously have never studied anything about bodybuilding or weight training in general, and it shows completely in your post.
I called the guy out because he completely misrepresented what GOMAD was all about and spread misinformation. It seems that you're doing exactly the same thing considering you call GOMAD a "horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks." I mean, exactly what are you basing this on? For reasons described in my earlier post, a 6000 calorie a day diet is ideal for building as much LBM as fast as possible, and it's doubtful that you're going to hit such a number without GOMAD. This is especially true of you are an ectomorph who has problems with putting mass on.
Furthermore, you seem to think that GOMAD is unhealthy. Do you have anything to back this claim up? Whole milk is loaded with essential nutrients, and all of its perceived bad points (such as the high fat content) are based off of the broken lipid hypothesis. As a matter of fact, whole milk is arguably healthier than that processed as hell skim milk for practically any person.
Rippetoe's clientele is not full of 15 year old boys. As a matter of fact, there have been 30+ year old men--well into the period of their lives where testosterone levels decrease--who have experienced similar results off of GOMAD and a full body strength routine as any teenager. While young men may have an advantage in lifting, it is completely irrelevant to GOMAD, considering workout routines aimed at building mass are best accompanied by high calorie diets, regardless of the age group.
My comment was (obviously) directed to those who want to bulk. Too many guys go into the gym with the goal of putting on 40 pounds of muscle while keeping their six packs. This just doesn't work. You simply can't put on that much LBM without some fat coming, and worrying about your body composition (to a certain point at least) while you bulk up is a terrible, vain thing to do. Honestly, if you don't want to get fat, bulk to 16-18% body fat, then cut the fat down again. You can repeat this several times, which is similar to what I am doing. Giving people the expectation that they can get huge fast on 3000 calorie/day diets and hard training is a pretty terrible thing to do.
First, I know a lot about weightlifting. I'm trying to think of a way to be more specific without sounding like a braggart. I'm a dedicated lifter. If you want my numbers, I'll PM you.
Second, Rippetoe has never trained a 35 year old and had that person put on 60 pounds, 40 of it being lean muscle, in three months. He's never done anything similar to that. You say I have no knowledge, but if you believe this, you think an absolute physiological impossibility can occur.
Third, GOMAD is objectively unhealthy. It will drastically spike your insulin, it's loaded with salt, and it's dripping with saturated fat. To see why it's unhealthy, you don't have to farther than the nutrition label. Also, you're getting too many calories from one nutritional source. Nutrutional diversity is the basis of a good diet. It's easy to say "drink a GOMAD + a normal diet," but you can't do this. Plus, while I'm actually not up to date on the chemicals which go into milk production, it certainly seems like a cause of concern.
On October 09 2010 21:33 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On October 09 2010 03:36 -_- wrote:
On October 06 2010 22:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
I'll take his earnest mistakes over your faux machismo anyday of the week.
GOMAD is a horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks.
Lifters love mocking guys who have six packs, but they're just as vain about their squat, bench, and deadlift numbers as the guys talking about the cut of their abs.
If you want to pad your strength numbers as quickly as possible, GOMAD will work. So will the mass gainers and protein shakes you see with Ronnie Coleman on the package. In fact, if you're an untrained, teenage male with raging hormones (Rippetoe's clientile), so will anything.
I don't mean to be rude, and I'm not defending the post you quoted. But the "you're a fucking litte girl pussy if you don't try to get as strong as possible in the least amount of time" gets tiresome. A GOMAD won't kill a teenage boy, but it's not good for him. So unless he has a powerlifting contest coming up in 12 weeks, a healthier route to strength and fitness is advisable.
What I don't understand is why you thought posting this was a good idea. You obviously have never studied anything about bodybuilding or weight training in general, and it shows completely in your post.
I called the guy out because he completely misrepresented what GOMAD was all about and spread misinformation. It seems that you're doing exactly the same thing considering you call GOMAD a "horrible way for anyone to begin their journey to strength, health, and good looks." I mean, exactly what are you basing this on? For reasons described in my earlier post, a 6000 calorie a day diet is ideal for building as much LBM as fast as possible, and it's doubtful that you're going to hit such a number without GOMAD. This is especially true of you are an ectomorph who has problems with putting mass on.
Furthermore, you seem to think that GOMAD is unhealthy. Do you have anything to back this claim up? Whole milk is loaded with essential nutrients, and all of its perceived bad points (such as the high fat content) are based off of the broken lipid hypothesis. As a matter of fact, whole milk is arguably healthier than that processed as hell skim milk for practically any person.
Rippetoe's clientele is not full of 15 year old boys. As a matter of fact, there have been 30+ year old men--well into the period of their lives where testosterone levels decrease--who have experienced similar results off of GOMAD and a full body strength routine as any teenager. While young men may have an advantage in lifting, it is completely irrelevant to GOMAD, considering workout routines aimed at building mass are best accompanied by high calorie diets, regardless of the age group.
My comment was (obviously) directed to those who want to bulk. Too many guys go into the gym with the goal of putting on 40 pounds of muscle while keeping their six packs. This just doesn't work. You simply can't put on that much LBM without some fat coming, and worrying about your body composition (to a certain point at least) while you bulk up is a terrible, vain thing to do. Honestly, if you don't want to get fat, bulk to 16-18% body fat, then cut the fat down again. You can repeat this several times, which is similar to what I am doing. Giving people the expectation that they can get huge fast on 3000 calorie/day diets and hard training is a pretty terrible thing to do.
First, I know a lot about weightlifting. I'm trying to think of a way to be more specific without sounding like a braggart. I'm a dedicated lifter. If you want my numbers, I'll PM you.
Second, Rippetoe has never trained a 35 year old and had that person put on 60 pounds, 40 of it being lean muscle, in three months. He's never done anything similar to that. You say I have no knowledge, but if you believe this, you think an absolute physiological impossibility can occur.
Third, GOMAD is objectively unhealthy. It will drastically spike your insulin, it's loaded with salt, and it's dripping with saturated fat. To see why it's unhealthy, you don't have to farther than the nutrition label. Also, you're getting too many calories from one nutritional source. Nutrutional diversity is the basis of a good diet. It's easy to say "drink a GOMAD + a normal diet," but you can't do this. Plus, while I'm actually not up to date on the chemicals which go into milk production, it certainly seems like a cause of concern.
With all due respect, anybody who has to say "I know a lot about weightlifting" probably doesn't know much about weightlifting at all. I have zero interest in your numbers because I've seen idiots at the gym benching 320 x 5 just because they've been at it so long. Your numbers mean nothing to me.
There are plenty of people who have attested to the effectiveness of Rippetoe's program; stop pulling these claims out of your ass. You seem to be under the assumption that GOMAD does not contribute anything to a person's physical stature, and that they would get the same exact results without it. I don't understand how you can call my position ridiculous when you actually believe this.
Third of all, no, it's not objectively unhealthy; do some research FFS. The sugar content in milk is slowly absorbed, so no, it does not create a significant insulin spike, especially considering you don't drink all of the milk at the same time. The salt content is relatively low as well, with a whole gallon only giving you 60% of your daily recommended amount of salt--not bad considering the rest of your diet can be clean and low in salt. And finally, no the saturated fat in milk will not hurt your body; the lipid hypothesis (which I mentioned earlier) was broken in its conception and the mass amount of support it gets is probably what causes a good deal of the disease in the United States, considering to make food palatable and low-fat, food producers reinforce it with sugar and HFCS.
I'd really like to see a real argument out of you instead of just false claims and "it's bad because it's bad." If you don't have one, clicking the big red X in the top right of your browser window will allow you to leave this thread safely.
well i upped my number of sets on my holds from 3 per session to 6 per session making nice gains in fl, real nice gains in planche, but very tiny gains in manna lol
though i have gotten quite flexible if i do a forward bend i can press my forehead down against my knees real tight
also my german hangs seem to be mighty deep though i still can't hold it for much longer than 30 seconds without feeling worried im gonna hurt myself
i wonder if my manna gains are so slow cuz it's the last exercise i do in my workout?
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