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And... I quickly read what gomad is... here's a food for thought: When they say "25lbs in 25 days just by doing squats and drinking a gallon of milk". How much is that weight muscle? Say you did gomad and saw that you did gain 25 pounds, but you don't seem to be as muscular before you started either. This is because the amount of weight you gained is mostly fat and water. When you want to gain weight, you want it in a form of lean mass. Think of it as increasing your body mass while reducing your body fact percentage.
There was an exclaimer that after doing the program you would have to start a weight training program to get rid of that fat... well, you could have just simply spent those 25 days actaully doing a weight training program than to "bulk up" 25 pounds, probably 24 of which is all fat and water, then have to work the rest off (and losing weight takes more effort than taking it in). During the way, you might get a bit muscular, but at the end, do you think would it been more time-efficient to actually had a workout routine now or 25 days after?
If you really want to simulate what happens after you do gomad, you can do two things: You can put on a 25lb vest/backpack/belt/etc on you to simulate the amount of mass that would be added when you do so, or, increase the amount of weight you're lifting. In the end, both ways will get you to your target, but it's all in the matter of which method will get you there faster.
Final thing: Our body is capable of producing 1 pound of muscle per week (doesn't mean we do, but we have the potential to). So, in one month, we could produce 4 pounds of lean muscle. Now for a method that gives you 25 pounds in one month, for sure not all of it is lean muscle.
To be quite frank, this is just wrong. Completely.
Rippetoe trains guys that put on 60 pounds over a few months. While yes, some of that is indeed fat, it usually doesn't exceed 35% of the weight gain.
Think about it. 60 pounds over a few months. 39 pounds of which is LBM. 21 pounds of fat, but 39 pounds of LBM--something which is safe to assume mostly muscle. 2.5+ pounds of LBM a week. There is absolutely no way that exceeding your daily caloric need by 500 calories will put just as much muscle on you, and it is absolutely ludicrous to claim that all calories taken in past a certain point will all turn to fat. While the fat:muscle distribution starts to be more skewed towards fat at high levels of caloric intake, eating 6000 calories a day will give you more muscle than eating 3000 calories a day. There is just no way you can debate otherwise.
For people who want to put on as much mass as fast as possible (generally the skinny guys), this could be ideal. For the larger guys who don't want to put on more fat, it obviously is not, and this is exactly why Rippetoe does not recommend GOMAD for people above 16% body fat; he recommends a more paleolithic diet. I am a pure mesomorph and do not need to do GOMAD, and therefore, do closer to a 33/33/33 diet with only a liter of milk a day. The users on this forum who are super ectomorphs would probably find bigger gains from exceeding their caloric intake significantly rather than slightly and hoping for gains to come over time.
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
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Completely agree with Rosa.
Fuck teh hates, Imma drink ma milk.
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On October 06 2010 22:00 funkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 16:37 Necosarius wrote:
What the funkie, you are strong T_T Can't really believe you guys think I'm strong, I still feel a weakling. ;p. I weighted myself this morning I'm 65-65.5kg which is wow for me, since last time I weighted myself I was 63 at tops. ;p. Anyway, today is Squat, Bench press and Deadlift. Let's do this Mother!.
Because I'm 2 cm taller than you and weight like 15 kgs more than you and you press, bench press and power clean more than me 
Press: 40 kg T_T
Bench: 60 kg
Power clean: don't know, don't do them much because of horrible form
Squat: 95 kg
DL: 105 kg
My upper body strength is lacking
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On October 05 2010 21:55 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:I'll do you one up and take a couple of pictures of my own white hairy knee. Underwear and upper thighs censored out mostly for viewers. + Show Spoiler +
Is it more inside the joint?
It seems like it's inbetween where patellofemoral syndrome and IT band syndrome would be on the lateral aspect of the patellar area...
On October 06 2010 06:14 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 11:47 eshlow wrote:On October 05 2010 11:23 Cambium wrote:On October 05 2010 11:20 eshlow wrote:On October 05 2010 11:08 Cambium wrote:
Do you guys actually drink 1 gallon (3.8 litres) of milk a day? I can do half, max; I also get a little gassy if I drink too much milk. I don't think I'm lactose intolerant though... Get some lactase pills Is this common or am I just lactose intolerant? Most of the world is lac intolerant. Gas = intolerant because you're not metabolizing it and the bacteria in your intestines are... hence the gas Oh so I guess I am lactose intolerant too . I'm like you Cambium. I didn't start off straight with gomad but half gallon a day and I didn't last a week because I had terrible stomach/gas problems. I never knew I was because I never really had a problem with milk or so I thought. I just realized its because I never drank more than 1-3 cups of milk a day. Will need to try out lactose pills next time I start gomad again. Also eshlow can this problem also occur with grain/wheat too? I was always wondering if it was the milk during the time I was trying to lift hard that gave me the stomach problems or the school food I was eating which was mostly pasta. I thought maybe it was just my body getting used to the large amounts of food I was eating but it kept on continuing so had to stop.
Yes, grains/wheat can definitely do that... which is why I recommend no one eats grain/wheat products
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also, LOL at earti.
For some odd reason based on personal experience training people and the experience of people such as Rippetoe I think I'm going to have to trust them over you.
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Well our Squat and DL is almost the same, yours a bit higher in both. I plan on reaching Squat to 95kg today, or so I hope. Dead lift will be 100kg today too  .
Good shit. :D
is there any secret to grow in height? I'd like to be, 170 max ;p.
1.65 just doesn't cut it for me, I want to be talleeer fuck eyssss
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On October 06 2010 23:10 funkie wrote:Well our Squat and DL is almost the same, yours a bit higher in both. I plan on reaching Squat to 95kg today, or so I hope. Dead lift will be 100kg today too . Good shit. :D is there any secret to grow in height? I'd like to be, 170 max ;p. 1.65 just doesn't cut it for me, I want to be talleeer fuck eyssss
wear high heels.
nah, on a serious note, if you're like 19/20, you're not gonna be growing anymore
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On October 06 2010 23:07 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 21:55 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:I'll do you one up and take a couple of pictures of my own white hairy knee. Underwear and upper thighs censored out mostly for viewers. + Show Spoiler + Is it more inside the joint? It seems like it's inbetween where patellofemoral syndrome and IT band syndrome would be on the lateral aspect of the patellar area...
This is like EXACTLY where i hit my knee a few weeks ago and is half numb/half feels like its on fire if i push on it the right way.
On October 06 2010 22:05 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
GOMAD is meant to get you fucking huge and strong. If you want to be a pansy and worry about your four pack not showing when you take your shirt off, then please, feel free to follow some crap that you saw on BodyPerformanceTV. For the people who want to go from a 150 pound to 315 pound squat over the course of 12 weeks, put on 40 pounds of muscle, and then take it off easily later with a low carbohydrate diet, GOMAD is a good option.
literally almost exaclty what i did. except more like 20 pounds of mass and 275 -> 405 squat. Then i lost all the fat this summer when i stopped being lazy and ate healthy(and not enough :p), i probably didn't even get over 14-15% while i was doing gomad though.
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On October 06 2010 23:44 Sinep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 23:10 funkie wrote:Well our Squat and DL is almost the same, yours a bit higher in both. I plan on reaching Squat to 95kg today, or so I hope. Dead lift will be 100kg today too . Good shit. :D is there any secret to grow in height? I'd like to be, 170 max ;p. 1.65 just doesn't cut it for me, I want to be talleeer fuck eyssss wear high heels. nah, on a serious note, if you're like 19/20, you're not gonna be growing anymore
Wrong. I'm turning twenty this winter, and I'm still growing, albeit slowly. Every male on either side of my family has grown until they were around 22. It really depends on the person.
So I've been in the gym for about a month now - not doing such a serious program as starting strength - I don't have the technique coach, the diet, or a schedule conducive to something like that up, but I am basing my workouts around squats, bench press, and just recently getting into deadlift. I figure that now, while Funkie is posting his beastly numbers is a good time for me to get accountable here on TL.
Height: 6'4 (ish) -> 193 cm? (did I do that right?)
Weight: 159 lbs -> 72 kg (Not a clue how to measure body fat, but I know I don't have a lot of it.)
Deadline: Winter break. Off the top of my head, that's December 16th.
I've been in the gym for a month already. In that month, I've put on 8 pounds =). Making Moves!
Weight Goal: 185 lbs -> 84 kg
Squat: 185 lbs (84kg)
Bench Press: 125 lbs (57 kg)
Dead lift I'm not confident enough in my form yet to know if I'm getting real numbers. Suffice to say that I'm dead lifting less than I squat - but I've been squatting about three times as long anyway. I'd like to bring that up to where it belongs, but I'm not particularly worried about how much I lift, so long as I feel good doing it.
In the short term, this is all about getting bigger. This spring, or maybe even summer it could start to be about athletics. I would like to eventually start playing basketball again, but for now It's about me lifting weights because i like to do it.
Biggest issue for me personally is that I don't eat enough. I'm out of my apartment for 16 of the 18ish hours I am awake in a day, and I have no time to cook. Therefore, I have little time to eat (healthily.) Doing so is also expensive for a college student. I suppose I'll start drinking protein shakes, and having eggs for breakfast instead of toast or something to catch up for the fact that I can't eat a proper lunch.
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See funkie? You are beastly and motivate others as well! Phyre, look up decafs videos in this thread, his warcries will make you pumped 
Lack of sleep fucked me up Squat 90 kg, bench 55, deadlift 100. I'm gonna sleep early tonight!
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Trust me, i've been lurking his thread long enough to be plenty pumped about working out- the only thing i am ''just getting around to'' is actually posting in it. And i know decaf is a monster. Im at syracuse university, and the guys on our D1 rugby team make the football and basketball teams combined look like wusses.
Out of curiosity neco, how long have you been working out, and what are your height/weight? I've got a few guys i work out with, but they have all been serious lifters for a long time and i don't really have anyone except myself to measure against and gauge progress.
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I began doing SS in early august but had to take some time off when my knee started to hurt and lost my motivation. I'm all back now though and will hopefully make progress again next week. I'm a bit overweight, 167 cm (5'6 i think?) tall and weight ~78 kg (172 lbs), so I'm trying to get leaner and of course gain some strength. And damn you are tall :o
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MOn October 07 2010 04:50 phyre112 wrote:
Trust me, i've been lurking his thread long enough to be plenty pumped about working out- the only thing i am ''just getting around to'' is actually posting in it. And i know decaf is a monster. Im at syracuse university, and the guys on our D1 rugby team make the football and basketball teams combined look like wusses.
Out of curiosity neco, how long have you been working out, and what are your height/weight? I've got a few guys i work out with, but they have all been serious lifters for a long time and i don't really have anyone except myself to measure against and gauge progress.
Hah we actually played against them this spring, you guys have a very solid team. We lost like 37-26 or something.
Also, just fully read earti's post, and LOL
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OH HAI!
MY NAME IS FUNKAIIIIH
Squat: 204lbs
DeadLift: 220lbs.
B. Press: 160lbs.
I tell you, I R FUNKAAAIIHH. Let's do this MOTHERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
btw..
don't you dare lol at earti's. We all already did ;D
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On October 07 2010 10:53 funkie wrote:OH HAI! MY NAME IS FUNKAIIIIH Squat: 204lbs DeadLift: 220lbs. B. Press: 160lbs. I tell you, I R FUNKAAAIIHH. Let's do this MOTHERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR btw.. don't you dare lol at earti's. We all already did ;D
Phenomenal progress, you're cruising on your way to 2xbw squat/deadlift!
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earti is that based on research or your thoughts on the subject?
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Rosa is my hero, it gets tiresome telling noobs why their bodybuilding splits and 300 over maintenance calorie intake isn't optimal.
I've been sick with a cold the last 3 days. The last 2 training sessions I just went in and did light deload type workouts (squat 250x5 when starting strength workset prior to being ill was at 290x5x3). I'm feeling slightly better and will probably resume normal volume tomorrow but I'm not sure where to start the squat weight, maybe 260 or 265?
Oh, I don't know if you remember my foot injury from before, eshlow, but it feels fine to walk on now. Whenever I do cleans or rack jerks or anything involving stomping my foot hard, it starts hurting about an hour later, but feels fine during. I'm staying away from doing those things and am doing bench press and chinups in their places for now. No idea what's wrong with it, hopefully it's back to 100% in the next few weeks.
Man it sure would rule to train without injuries or illness, I feel like I can train around tiredness, low motivation, bad sleep/nutrition and still make progress, but being sick or injured just totally kills things.
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I've been checking up on this thread for a little while now, and it has been motivating me to start SS. But my main concern is the fact that i just simply don't think that i am capable of ingesting so much food over the course of the day to fuel these workouts. i just don't have the appetite. when i try forcing food down, i just end up overeating and it makes me close to vomiting. does anyone have any advice on how to stimulate my appetite? is there some kind of supplement available to increase my appetite?
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On October 07 2010 12:37 Drowsy wrote:
Rosa is my hero, it gets tiresome telling noobs why their bodybuilding splits and 300 over maintenance calorie intake isn't optimal.
I've been sick with a cold the last 3 days. The last 2 training sessions I just went in and did light deload type workouts (squat 250x5 when starting strength workset prior to being ill was at 290x5x3). I'm feeling slightly better and will probably resume normal volume tomorrow but I'm not sure where to start the squat weight, maybe 260 or 265?
Oh, I don't know if you remember my foot injury from before, eshlow, but it feels fine to walk on now. Whenever I do cleans or rack jerks or anything involving stomping my foot hard, it starts hurting about an hour later, but feels fine during. I'm staying away from doing those things and am doing bench press and chinups in their places for now. No idea what's wrong with it, hopefully it's back to 100% in the next few weeks.
Man it sure would rule to train without injuries or illness, I feel like I can train around tiredness, low motivation, bad sleep/nutrition and still make progress, but being sick or injured just totally kills things.
Hmm. That's pretty odd. Hour later. Might want to get that checked... but if it just goes away and doesnt bother much afterwards then ehhh I mean it could be nothing.
Take your vitamin D for faster healing.,...
I would deload a bit on the weight though, and then reramp up.
On October 07 2010 13:08 HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been checking up on this thread for a little while now, and it has been motivating me to start SS. But my main concern is the fact that i just simply don't think that i am capable of ingesting so much food over the course of the day to fuel these workouts. i just don't have the appetite. when i try forcing food down, i just end up overeating and it makes me close to vomiting. does anyone have any advice on how to stimulate my appetite? is there some kind of supplement available to increase my appetite?
Once you start lifting your appetite will skyrocket.
So just start doing it, and you'll start wanting to eat everything in sight if you do it right.
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On October 07 2010 13:08 HelterSkelter wrote:
I've been checking up on this thread for a little while now, and it has been motivating me to start SS. But my main concern is the fact that i just simply don't think that i am capable of ingesting so much food over the course of the day to fuel these workouts. i just don't have the appetite. when i try forcing food down, i just end up overeating and it makes me close to vomiting. does anyone have any advice on how to stimulate my appetite? is there some kind of supplement available to increase my appetite?
as it was said, if you really work hard in the gym your appetite will be crazy high.
I had this problem as well though, trying to gain it's hard to eat enough calories if you're eating healthier foods (due to fiber content etc) but I found the answer in this thread. Whole milk. It's much easier to consume liquids on top of everything than I thought, makes it really easy getting those extra calories
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Maybe I am ruining the thread with this comment, but are there people who participate in this thread that are not solely hardcore weightlifters. Like I do half-marathon/marathon training and would be interested in what tips people have on nutrition and training. Personally, I think what you do is cool, but I have no personal desire to squat X, bench X, or drink gallons of milk a day.
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