EPTie. I use 'enhance pointer precision' for my RTS mouse as it feels better to me. For my FPS mouse I turn it off, as again, it feels better for that mouse.
Find your own optimal settings.
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
ie. I use 'enhance pointer precision' for my RTS mouse as it feels better to me. For my FPS mouse I turn it off, as again, it feels better for that mouse. Find your own optimal settings. | ||
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guldurkhand
Netherlands71 Posts
I got ingame sensitivity on 51%; dpi on 400; windows acceleration off; 1920x1200 resolution; qck heavy mousepad; windows sensitivity 6/11; polling rate 1000 hz; The problem with high sensitivity is the precision(I used to play at 1800 dpi, I was pretty dang accurate at that dpi rate, but I found that after a time with 400 dpi, I got a huge precision increase and I got better in starcraft generaly(micro and macro wise(less mistakes))) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On April 22 2013 18:28 Parcelleus wrote: Just play with mouse settings till you find what you like. Other folks are not playing the game for you, so pick settings that YOU are comfortable with. ie. I use 'enhance pointer precision' for my RTS mouse as it feels better to me. For my FPS mouse I turn it off, as again, it feels better for that mouse. Find your own optimal settings. Wanna have an Osu competition? =P You can use whatever comfortable settings you like (: The point is, if you don't particularly care about skill at using a mouse, it's not really important, you do not even need to be at all good at using a mouse to be one of the best starcraft players in the world, but if you are, and especially if you compare in other methods - stuff like clicking zerglings running on creep, stutter stepping and attacking individual low hp mutas to pick them off with stalkers while strafing with phoenix (so you have to rapidly cycle between three mouse tasks) or even just flat out go to another game, a FPS or something incredibly stressful on mouse skills like Osu, it's clear there are "best" settings. Maybe not anything in particular, but you can say for example 5000dpi on 1920x1080 is for practical purposes always a really really terrible idea - and that lower sens translates into higher accuracy most of the time, often vastly higher, and also that muscle memory establishable from using a low-mid sens can give you skills and consistency that are borderline impossible to achieve with negative and positive acceleration, you have one variable, moving mouse 1 inch will always move the same amount of pixels, compared to enhanced pointer precision where it could move only like 1 pixel if you do it veeeeeeeryy slooooooooowly, or cross your entire screen in under 1cm if you make a lightning fast snap - In theory, negative and positive acceleration are very useful, but in practical use it's much harder to reach the same level of skill with them vs without | ||
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
Nice to see the way people talk about mouse settings, and why they don't help any beginners at all. I don't play SC at the moment, nor do I intend to even by HOTS any time soon, but when I did play, I used: 3cm from top to bottom, scrolling with cursor on the edges which means I set my mouse so that 3 centimeters of mouse movement gets my cursor from the top to the bottom of the screen then, more towards the end I tried: 5cm from top to bottom and scrolling with holding the scroll wheel button good FF for Protoss, good for clicking idividual units... | ||
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Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
I use 3200 @ 6/10 and mouse sensitivity off in starcraft... I used to have even higher dpi I tried using lower dpi ... but then I have to move my hand?! And I do feel very precise with such high dpi.... I think you guys are overestimating the precision u need in starcraft ... i mean the hitboxes of units are pretty large and hard to miss even zerglings , or is it just me? I kinda feel like a weirdo now hahaha , how much mouse croll do you use in SCII? Got 70% In FPS , totaly yes i use waaay lower sens in them. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Actually, it seems a general theme that zerg players have bad mouse settings - It does not really matter for the race and you can have wildly high sens if you want. You can inject a base by boxing the entire screen, hitting V and clicking the hatchery (queen gets priority) worker stacking is less important, general unit micro is less important because you don't have to worry about blink, landing good and consistent forcefields without overlap or gaps etc - it's just more critically important for Protoss to have better mouse control than Zerg - I find terrans often somewhere in the middle - they have to split, but you don't need particularly amazing mouse control for that - just skill at splitting, you can do it at higher DPI you just have finer control at lower levels I tried using lower dpi ... but then I have to move my hand?! Breaking news, water is wet Actually, after playing Tribes with 35cm/180 sens, 800dpi by comparison in sc2 is easy as hell. I mean you have to move like 6cm to cross the entire screen - that's hardly moving at all. I guess technically you are moving your hand, yea, but it's not really.. moving.. You move the cursor by moving the mouse with your hand, that's what a mouse does | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
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Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
You make it sound like you cant micro with having higher sensitivity. Its not like Iam suddenly not able to click stuff just because my mouse pointer is moving so quick I cant handle it anymore (wich is not the case)... When ur having higher dpi, and ur actualy very accurate with it,arent you supposed to be way faster then someone using lower dpi , since the distance ur moving is way smaller and ur still achieving the same thing? Starcraft doesnt need 1 pixel accuracy, hit boxes are huge and you have to be fast and precise. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
On April 22 2013 18:56 Cyro wrote: Wanna have an Osu competition? =P You can use whatever comfortable settings you like (: The point is, if you don't particularly care about skill at using a mouse, it's not really important, you do not even need to be at all good at using a mouse to be one of the best starcraft players in the world, but if you are, and especially if you compare in other methods - stuff like clicking zerglings running on creep, stutter stepping and attacking individual low hp mutas to pick them off with stalkers while strafing with phoenix (so you have to rapidly cycle between three mouse tasks) or even just flat out go to another game, a FPS or something incredibly stressful on mouse skills like Osu, it's clear there are "best" settings. Maybe not anything in particular, but you can say for example 5000dpi on 1920x1080 is for practical purposes always a really really terrible idea - and that lower sens translates into higher accuracy most of the time, often vastly higher, and also that muscle memory establishable from using a low-mid sens can give you skills and consistency that are borderline impossible to achieve with negative and positive acceleration, you have one variable, moving mouse 1 inch will always move the same amount of pixels, compared to enhanced pointer precision where it could move only like 1 pixel if you do it veeeeeeeryy slooooooooowly, or cross your entire screen in under 1cm if you make a lightning fast snap - In theory, negative and positive acceleration are very useful, but in practical use it's much harder to reach the same level of skill with them vs without Why do you think Korean gamers like small mouse ? comfort. why ? .. cos the more comfortable the better you control. As for software, it is well known to most of us, that using at least 500hz polling rate on your USB really helps. As for dpi and windows mouse settings, experiment, everyone is different (hence why every pro has their own settings). There is no 'best settings' it is subjective. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:00 Parcelleus wrote: Why do you think Korean gamers like small mouse ? comfort. why ? .. cos the more comfortable the better you control. As for software, it is well known to most of us, that using at least 500hz polling rate on your USB really helps. As for dpi and windows mouse settings, experiment, everyone is different (hence why every pro has their own settings). There is no 'best settings' it is subjective. Actually there are "best settings" for windows mouse settings. Anything other than 6/11 is broken (4/11 and 2/11 aren't too bad). DPI is subjective, but different mice have different settings the sensor works well at, see the DA which performs great at 1800dpi, but poorly on any other step. If you have no idea what you're talking about don't bother posting, it is a fact that windows mouse "settings" are a complete joke. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:16 Rollin wrote: Actually there are "best settings" for windows mouse settings. Anything other than 6/11 is broken (4/11 and 2/11 aren't too bad). DPI is subjective, but different mice have different settings the sensor works well at, see the DA which performs great at 1800dpi, but poorly on any other step. If you have no idea what you're talking about don't bother posting, it is a fact that windows mouse "settings" are a complete joke. Then why do some gamers prefer not using 6/11 ? You even admit that 4/11 and 2/11 'aren't too bad'. Sure, most gamers will like 6/11, but not all. ie. experiment for yourself (as I said earlier). I found my optimal settings to be 9/11 (2560x1600 res). If I were to use 'your best settings' , I would find it inferior. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
The sensitivity scale in windows (1-11) does completely different things with and without enhanced pointer precision though, so different rules if EPP is on. Your a bit harsh dude ... You make it sound like you cant micro with having higher sensitivity. DPI is subjective - to some extent; After which is becomes a handicap, using too much or too little, I think ~360-2400 for sc2 on 1920x1080, but both sides are extreme, you can cut half off each side and say 720-1200 which is more of a real and effective range, that is down to opinion though. People skilled with mice overwhelmingly use mid/low level sensitivities, compared to average gamers, though. When ur having higher dpi, and ur actualy very accurate with it,arent you supposed to be way faster then someone using lower dpi , since the distance ur moving is way smaller and ur still achieving the same thing? Actually not really as long as DPI is sane, moving 10cm with an accuracy of 90% does not really take longer than moving 5cm with an accuracy of 95%, infact arguably it is faster with lower DPI because you have to tightly adjust the mouse the more you increase sens, and you can never instantly snap to where you want the mouse perfectly - say 2000dpi if you missed your target by moving the mouse 0.1cm too far - at 500dpi you can move the mouse 0.3cm too far and still have far better accuracy, on screen - because 0.1cm on 4x the sens is like 0.4cm on lower sensitivities This is hard to convey into words, but the higher you go in sensitivity, the smaller your error margins are, the more a 1mm slip or over/undershoot will destroy your accuracy - if you move 50mm, moving 1mm too far will put you at 98% accuracy. if you move 500mm, moving 1mm too far will put you at 99.8% accuracy - maybe that's better put into words. But that is only one of many reasons for using a lower, but sane, sensitivity | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:45 Cyro wrote: Using 9/11 for 2.5x multiplier on mouse sens is pretty silly, why not just raise DPI by 2.5x? You'd cross the screen in the same distance, but instead of being able to select two pixels for every 5 on your screen (and being unable to select the remaining 3) you can select all five because of the increased sensor resolution - instead of interpolating from a low resolution/dpi and suffering due to it. Yep its always better to increase mouse dpi before using windows sensitivity to increase sensitivity. I use a 800 dpi mouse hence moving to windows sensitivity. No complaints here. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On April 22 2013 22:23 Parcelleus wrote: Yep its always better to increase mouse dpi before using windows sensitivity to increase sensitivity. I use a 800 dpi mouse hence moving to windows sensitivity. No complaints here. If you obtained a mouse with a higher base dpi and turned off pixel skipping you'd eat your own words. That's not to say if you have a bad mouse you should set it to 6/11 and live with it, but if you wanted a high sensitivity why get a mouse that doesn't allow it? And 4/11 or 2/11 are "not too bad" because windows discards some movements to approximate a lower dpi. 4/11 is slightly inferior to 6/11, and 2/11 is slightly inferior to 4/11, but they're actually implemented in an acceptable way. Any other setting is terrible compared to directly using cpi = dpi because of the way windows handles scaling. | ||
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On April 22 2013 21:25 Parcelleus wrote: Pro gamers are a very poor litmus test when talking about their technological understanding of mice. The only pro gamer that I know off the top of my head who does know about mouse settings well enough is TT1, but largely the pro gamer population is very unaware of the minute considerations in setting things up without issues. They do however (because of this), continually prove that player skill is a much bigger factor than an ideal tracking environment in being good at something.Then why do some gamers prefer not using 6/11 ? You even admit that 4/11 and 2/11 'aren't too bad'. Sure, most gamers will like 6/11, but not all. ie. experiment for yourself (as I said earlier). I found my optimal settings to be 9/11 (2560x1600 res). If I were to use 'your best settings' , I would find it inferior. The other problem here is that you are saying that your setup using 9/11 is optimal. Yea its the setting you prefer, and it gets you the appropriate speed you want, but it's very far from optimal from a technological standpoint. You'd probably find a non-pixel skipping step to be better if you had the cpi in your mouse to do that. On April 22 2013 23:37 Rollin wrote: I would assume he owns a some older mouse where these settings are less flexible and he has less options open to him. Its not ideal but its what some people are forced to work with.If you obtained a mouse with a higher base dpi and turned off pixel skipping you'd eat your own words. That's not to say if you have a bad mouse you should set it to 6/11 and live with it, but if you wanted a high sensitivity why get a mouse that doesn't allow it? And 4/11 or 2/11 are "not too bad" because windows discards some movements to approximate a lower dpi. 4/11 is slightly inferior to 6/11, and 2/11 is slightly inferior to 4/11, but they're actually implemented in an acceptable way. Any other setting is terrible compared to directly using cpi = dpi because of the way windows handles scaling. On April 22 2013 21:45 Cyro wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333648This is hard to convey into words, but the higher you go in sensitivity, the smaller your error margins are, the more a 1mm slip or over/undershoot will destroy your accuracy - if you move 50mm, moving 1mm too far will put you at 98% accuracy. Section V, subsection II (end of this section) and III covers this pretty well (e.g. the talk about minimum control areas). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
With 8/11, you can't select half of them. With 9/11, you can't select 60% of them. You can also see this when you for example drag a window on the desktop - you can't move them to many rows/columns of pixels, you can only move steps of 2 or 3 pixels (2 for 8/11, alternating 2 and 3 pixels for the same movement for 9/11) and it prevents you from dragging a window less than 2-3 pixels - on a desktop i was using with a 400dpi mouse and literally no room to move it that drove me CRAZY, i couldn't line up windows on desktop, or move them so that they were border to border without a gap - something with 1:1 pixel tracking, i could do in a fraction of a second with my mouse on this system, with the 360-810dpi that people call "slow" that is actually low-med sens Ty for that link wolfwood, i read it all before but it's a good reference for what i was trying to say. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
The reason I use this mouse is due to it's shape, weight and buttons. It ticks all those boxes for me. Ive tried lots of high dpi mouse but they lacked in the other ways (shape etc). And since after setting up this mouse with 500hz and windows settings Im not missing a higher dpi sensor. My control is faster and better now than with higher dpi mouse in the past. I found the difference in tracking sensor to be minimal (after setting up the mouse), but the mouse physical properties played a much larger role for me. | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On April 22 2013 18:36 guldurkhand wrote: I got ingame sensitivity on 51%; dpi on 400; 1920x1200 resolution; Nice. Not many go as low as 400 CPI. I assume you use Fingertip Grip and have larger than average hands? | ||
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madestro
Costa Rica108 Posts
I do want to ask about the DPI. I have 6/11 in Windows with enhanced precision off. I also have SC2 ignore mouse settings but I can't seem to find a DPI I can use. 800 seems way to slow for my screen at 1920x1080. Am I missing something ? Is is me that just can't get used to it ? With the Sensei I would use 2500 but the G100s goes to 2000 max and max dpi setting is never good on mice, plus as I've read here it was probably that high DPI that gave me wrist pain. Should I stick to 800 ? What other settings can I try and why ? My main goal is to eliminate any wrist pain but if I can play decently enough that would be swell. I play zerg if that makes any sort of difference. Thanks all | ||
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On April 23 2013 01:23 madestro wrote: I would suggest take a week or two at 800 to try to get used to it. If you still feel it's too slow, then adjust, but seriously, one week. minimum. Doubly so because of your physical discomfort. Also, the g100s max step is 2500 not 2000.Really nice to see this thread revived since I wanted to ask something. I am a low level player (highest being gold in WoL) and I just got myself a Logitech G100s, previously I used a Sensei Raw but the semi palm grip I used started to give me wrist pain so I decided to try my hand at a different type of mouse with a claw grip. I do want to ask about the DPI. I have 6/11 in Windows with enhanced precision off. I also have SC2 ignore mouse settings but I can't seem to find a DPI I can use. 800 seems way to slow for my screen at 1920x1080. Am I missing something ? Is is me that just can't get used to it ? With the Sensei I would use 2500 but the G100s goes to 2000 max and max dpi setting is never good on mice, plus as I've read here it was probably that high DPI that gave me wrist pain. Should I stick to 800 ? What other settings can I try and why ? My main goal is to eliminate any wrist pain but if I can play decently enough that would be swell. I play zerg if that makes any sort of difference. Thanks all | ||
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