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On June 11 2013 03:05 diverzee wrote:Okay, I am extremely bad with anything computer related, and sorry in advance about the stupid question. I am using my old Logitech mx518 and I have those windows 6/11 settings, and unchecked enhanced pointer precision. The mouse has buttons which I think corresponds to dpi settings of 400, 800 or 1600. After reading this thread I tried changing from 1600 to 800 and it is extremely slow. I have to wave my whole forearm around to make movements, and I can barely browse the internet without misclicking. I must be doing something wrong  If 1600 (or perhaps the 3rd setting is 1500) is too high, is there any way to make my mouse do 1000 or 1200 or so?
First of all, it takes more than just a couple of hours to completely adjust to a new sensitivity setting, so yes. you will misclick in the beginning, maybe even a lot. Secondly, waving/moving your forearm is actually better for your arm/wrist than just having it locked in place while controlling the mouse.
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My preference is 6/11, no EPP, disable in game sensitivity, 2000 DPI on a 1920x1080 monitor. I use a Logitech G500. Mouse scrolling speed at 70%
I'm mid masters on NA, my advice is go with what feels most comfortable to you... as long as you have mouse acceleration off you are fine.
Also, these low DPI advocates are kind of silly. I would argue you want the highest DPI you can get without sacrificing too much accuracy. I've experimented with everything from very high (3500) to low (800) DPI. I found that it's hard to be accurate at very high DPIs, you will still make a lot of mistakes even when you get familiar with it. Low DPI is arguably worse, it will just slow you down and essentially you will end up doing fewer things (lower APM). I settled on 2000 arbitrarily because I felt like something between 1600-2500 would be both fast and accurate for me.
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On June 12 2013 19:13 Nasty.Nate wrote:
My preference is 6/11, no EPP, disable in game sensitivity, 2000 DPI on a 1920x1080 monitor. I use a Logitech G500. Mouse scrolling speed at 70%
I'm mid masters on NA, my advice is go with what feels most comfortable to you... as long as you have mouse acceleration off you are fine.
Also, these low DPI advocates are kind of silly. I would argue you want the highest DPI you can get without sacrificing too much accuracy. I've experimented with everything from very high (3500) to low (800) DPI. I found that it's hard to be accurate at very high DPIs, you will still make a lot of mistakes even when you get familiar with it. Low DPI is arguably worse, it will just slow you down and essentially you will end up doing fewer things (lower APM). I settled on 2000 arbitrarily because I felt like something between 1600-2500 would be both fast and accurate for me.
Tell that to every professional starcraft player. 800 dpi is not considered low for sc2. It is average.
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On June 12 2013 21:26 Thor.Rush wrote:
Tell that to every professional starcraft player. 800 dpi is not considered low for sc2. It is average.
And how would you know? I watch a lot of Starcraft, and I've yet to witness a single pro discuss their mouse sensitivity, let alone all of them.
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The best people with mouse such as Marineking use ~800dpi
In general sc2 pro's dont seem to care much about mouse accuracy and tend to use higher
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On June 13 2013 05:31 Nasty.Nate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 21:26 Thor.Rush wrote:
Tell that to every professional starcraft player. 800 dpi is not considered low for sc2. It is average. And how would you know? I watch a lot of Starcraft, and I've yet to witness a single pro discuss their mouse sensitivity, let alone all of them.
BW pros all used to use similar mice with 400 dpi. Then with sc2 and the increased resolution, 800dpi was better for a lot of people. Look at the Zowie MiCO which was designed with help of the Startale team. Quoting from Zowie Gear website: "StarTales gamers are used to playing with 400 and 800 DPI rates, so this was a key point for the development of the ZOWIE MiCO".
DeMuslim has discussed his sensitivity sometimes and he uses 1070dpi iirc, which is probably a bit higher than the average pro, but still definitely in the normal range.
I could go on with more examples to prove my point, but anyway you can also get an idea of the sensitivity by watching how much they move their mouse on the mouse pad.
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I use the Razer Naga, and I play at about 4800 dpi...
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7/11 windows, and lowest in sc2.
I usually use lowest sensitivity in everything, best choice.
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how do i access and change my DPI? i cant find it ... do i need a special mouse?
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On June 14 2013 00:58 Thor.Rush wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2013 05:31 Nasty.Nate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 21:26 Thor.Rush wrote:
Tell that to every professional starcraft player. 800 dpi is not considered low for sc2. It is average. And how would you know? I watch a lot of Starcraft, and I've yet to witness a single pro discuss their mouse sensitivity, let alone all of them. BW pros all used to use similar mice with 400 dpi. Then with sc2 and the increased resolution, 800dpi was better for a lot of people. Look at the Zowie MiCO which was designed with help of the Startale team. Quoting from Zowie Gear website: "StarTales gamers are used to playing with 400 and 800 DPI rates, so this was a key point for the development of the ZOWIE MiCO". DeMuslim has discussed his sensitivity sometimes and he uses 1070dpi iirc, which is probably a bit higher than the average pro, but still definitely in the normal range. I could go on with more examples to prove my point, but anyway you can also get an idea of the sensitivity by watching how much they move their mouse on the mouse pad. A lot of this is experiential knowledge from watching streams, and settings. I can tell you that Nestea at one point was using about 1000cpi, and we learned that by his stream, so it tends to come from a bunch of places. I would venture a guess to why pro gamers don't talk about their settings is that they've largely figured them out for Star2 now, whereas 2-3 years ago the game was brand new.
Additionally, you have to understand that 800cpi allows you to traverse your entire 1080p screens width in less than 5", which for me allows me to keep my hand stationary - but beyond that - when do you ever go from one end of the screen to the other (the total area). With the combination of screen hotkeys and other typical ways you use your mouse in this environment its pretty rare to use more than 2/3 of the space on your screen within a single action. Also, you'll also note that a lot of players pick up their mice occasionally, so even that changes things.
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5" is even pushing it honestly, crossing 1920 pixels at 800dpi is 2.4 inches on the X axis, 1.6 on the Y axis and they're both independant. It's an exceptionally low amount of movement, people are just used to using over-high sensitivities
If you look at BW for example too, 1920/640 = 3, so if you take that 400dpi*3, you'd have 1200, but i don't think people would really adjust up/down because that's already in an acceptable range and all of the mice were 400dpi anyway
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wow, didnt realize people use such high DPI settings..
I play with 900 dpi 6/11 and am shocked anyone can even be remotely accurate with 1600+dpi.
Never sacrifice accuracy and precision for speed seems to be the general consensus and they are right.
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If anyone is interested go to khaldor's youtube channel and he has a ton of first person vods of tons of Korean pro's playing. I think its pretty easy to tell what types of sensitivity players are using. It seems that majority are playing fairly high DPI it dosent seem that they move there mouse very much
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wow, didnt realize people use such high DPI settings..
I play with 900 dpi 6/11 and am shocked anyone can even be remotely accurate with 1600+dpi
Very few people actually push themselves and almost all are content with bad mouse accuracy, it's common to just assume "that's the way it is" or that you just need more practice etc, that's the impression i get from most people
It is a handicap, not a choice, especially above those levels
If anyone is interested go to khaldor's youtube channel and he has a ton of first person vods of tons of Korean pro's playing. I think its pretty easy to tell what types of sensitivity players are using. It seems that majority are playing fairly high DPI it dosent seem that they move there mouse very much
It looks surprising how little hand moves.. Halfway across screen at 1000dpi is only ~2cm
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On June 14 2013 00:58 Thor.Rush wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 05:31 Nasty.Nate wrote:On June 12 2013 21:26 Thor.Rush wrote:
Tell that to every professional starcraft player. 800 dpi is not considered low for sc2. It is average. And how would you know? I watch a lot of Starcraft, and I've yet to witness a single pro discuss their mouse sensitivity, let alone all of them. BW pros all used to use similar mice with 400 dpi. Then with sc2 and the increased resolution, 800dpi was better for a lot of people. Look at the Zowie MiCO which was designed with help of the Startale team. Quoting from Zowie Gear website: "StarTales gamers are used to playing with 400 and 800 DPI rates, so this was a key point for the development of the ZOWIE MiCO". DeMuslim has discussed his sensitivity sometimes and he uses 1070dpi iirc, which is probably a bit higher than the average pro, but still definitely in the normal range. I could go on with more examples to prove my point, but anyway you can also get an idea of the sensitivity by watching how much they move their mouse on the mouse pad.
Oh wow, I thought he got you there, but that's a frightening amount of knowledge on such a super-specific subject.
Please do go on, we already know you're right, but please procede just for the fuck of it.
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If anyone is interested go to khaldor's youtube channel and he has a ton of first person vods of tons of Korean pro's playing. I think its pretty easy to tell what types of sensitivity players are using. It seems that majority are playing fairly high DPI it dosent seem that they move there mouse very much
Actually judging from the videos most of them play around 800 dpi, jjakji, mkp, most of the zerg have to move their mouse quite a bit to sidescroll. Only some protoss players like madbull and balloon seem to play with 1600ish. Funny that madbull got called on his bad unit control in GSTL just after I watched said fpvod :D
As protoss your micro is mainly spell based so you may not feel the need for more precision even if it would probably help with forcefields, but as terran or zerg, lower sens make it way easier to micro bio or ling/bane, period, not even talking about how it makes you faster and more precise in general.
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On July 18 2013 19:51 Nimix wrote:Show nested quote +If anyone is interested go to khaldor's youtube channel and he has a ton of first person vods of tons of Korean pro's playing. I think its pretty easy to tell what types of sensitivity players are using. It seems that majority are playing fairly high DPI it dosent seem that they move there mouse very much Actually judging from the videos most of them play around 800 dpi, jjakji, mkp, most of the zerg have to move their mouse quite a bit to sidescroll. Only some protoss players like madbull and balloon seem to play with 1600ish. Funny that madbull got called on his bad unit control in GSTL just after I watched said fpvod :D As protoss your micro is mainly spell based so you may not feel the need for more precision even if it would probably help with forcefields, but as terran or zerg, lower sens make it way easier to micro bio or ling/bane, period, not even talking about how it makes you faster and more precise in general.
How Can you play 800 DPI I find most mice have settings at like 450 1600 3500 etc etc what mice have 800 dpi settings
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I'll be honest, I used to use ~4000 dpi on 1440 x 900 and after reading this topic, I decided to try out going slower. It was really ugly for the first week, but I've gotten used to it and dropped down to ~1600 dpi comfortably. I tried going lower, but I just felt way too slow below 1400 dpi to do anything and felt like it actually just make all of my actions less efficient. I believe that some pros may play on even lower sensitivities on larger screens, but I can't even imagine it.
I think it's all about how comfortable you are. I know that my days of ~4000 dpi were really excruciatingly hard, and I tried for a long time to increase my mouse accuracy, but as soon as I dropped down and got used to it, I've felt super comfortable with everything since.
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On July 27 2013 19:11 SC2John wrote:
I'll be honest, I used to use ~4000 dpi on 1440 x 900 and after reading this topic, I decided to try out going slower. It was really ugly for the first week, but I've gotten used to it and dropped down to ~1600 dpi comfortably. I tried going lower, but I just felt way too slow below 1400 dpi to do anything and felt like it actually just make all of my actions less efficient. I believe that some pros may play on even lower sensitivities on larger screens, but I can't even imagine it.
I think it's all about how comfortable you are. I know that my days of ~4000 dpi were really excruciatingly hard, and I tried for a long time to increase my mouse accuracy, but as soon as I dropped down and got used to it, I've felt super comfortable with everything since.
You gotta get the ergonomics stuff right, i found from using other peoples desk setups etc, it can be difficult to move in the right ways, especially if you are not sat high enough relative to the desk, and you have to re-learn habits for how to hold and use the mouse if you make a big sensitivity change. I'm sure if you're set up right you'd be good for lowering further in a little while if you wanted to
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