I would suggest, if you are using 2k - you want to try 1k?
Set DPI to 700 (1.3k drop) at the start of a new day, play through it for a day or two, force yourself to get used to it - and then switch to 1k halfway through the day
(drop further than you plan to drop, and then fall back)
If you get used to 700 even for a day or two, 1k will seem lightning fast.
I used 360-540 for like two years, wanted to use 720 or 810 step - i played on 1k for two days, and i could hardly use 810 for like an hour because it felt too slow - within a day i was past 95% of the muscle memory/skill in Osu and some other tasks of 450 dpi step that i used for many months at a time unchanged.
Oh, and be open for changing grip if you still can't make it work well at all after 10 mins, don't change too much all at once, but if you have not changed sens before, you will probably need a looser grip for lower sens or a tighter one for higher
On April 22 2013 18:36 guldurkhand wrote: I got ingame sensitivity on 51%; dpi on 400; 1920x1200 resolution;
Nice. Not many go as low as 400 CPI. I assume you use Fingertip Grip and have larger than average hands?
I use my fingertip grip yes, but my hands are quite normal actually. When I used 1800 dpi, I used only my finger tips and wrist and that worked out quite well. When I got 400 dpi, I changed from using my finger tips to using my whole arm, I never use my wrist anymore(I try to keep my wrist as straight as possible).
I used to play sc2 with 2000DPI. After reading a few posts here I switched to 800 in anticipation of moving on to ~1000 in a few days. I got stuck with 800 and am loving it! I find that I'm much more accurate and my wrist pain is gone! So, 800 is definitely recommended!
On April 23 2013 01:30 wo1fwood wrote: I would suggest take a week or two at 800 to try to get used to it. If you still feel it's too slow, then adjust, but seriously, one week. minimum. Doubly so because of your physical discomfort. Also, the g100s max step is 2500 not 2000.
One week ? Ok I will give it a try at 800 DPI for sure. And yes I was wrong the max on G100s is 2500 but still I need to adjust myself to low DPI to eliminate that wrist pain before RSI kicks in (I am not as young as I used to, I'm 33 now so spare parts are hard to come by for my bones).
Also Cyro thanks for the response. I am switching grips as well, I am trying with claw grip for gaming and normal palm grip for regular computer usage, the form factor of the G100s is perfect for claw gripping with my hand size.
400 dpi and 61% sensitivity in SC2. I'm using the Logitech Mini Optical, and if I use higher than 70% in SC2 everything becomes extremely inaccurate. Technically I guess 800-1000 dpi would be best for 1080p resolution, but its all preference. (imo)
On April 23 2013 01:30 wo1fwood wrote: I would suggest take a week or two at 800 to try to get used to it. If you still feel it's too slow, then adjust, but seriously, one week. minimum. Doubly so because of your physical discomfort. Also, the g100s max step is 2500 not 2000.
One week ? Ok I will give it a try at 800 DPI for sure. And yes I was wrong the max on G100s is 2500 but still I need to adjust myself to low DPI to eliminate that wrist pain before RSI kicks in (I am not as young as I used to, I'm 33 now so spare parts are hard to come by for my bones).
Also Cyro thanks for the response. I am switching grips as well, I am trying with claw grip for gaming and normal palm grip for regular computer usage, the form factor of the G100s is perfect for claw gripping with my hand size.
Yea so this time thing is really dependent on how much you play per week and what exactly you're changing. If you play more often it will happen faster (and so to in the reverse obv), but because you've said you're trying to change grips as well, I would maybe even add time to this original estimate. Changing your grip or your mouse in general can be a pretty drastic thing depending on the change your going through (like a Deathadder to a G100s, which would be pretty big as change goes, though Abyssus to G100s would not be as much a change). Things to consider.
It depends how much you changed before. If you used 3200dpi for years and never used a "low" sensitivity, it can totally take a week to change, once you have used both 3200 and 360dpi on 1920x1080 for a period of time, you can adjust to anything in that range (with lower being more accurate and precise, but starting to become limiting if you go too low, for certain tasks like cross-screen snapping back and forth every half second on Osu) in only a couple days, though the more time and the more consistently you use mouse (half an hour of osu every day vs not using PC for 3 days for example will put you at very different levels of mouse comfort and skill)
Survey is pointless - we know it does not correlate with sc2 ranking much at all - Cress is masters 1v1 with an xbox controller for example, no mouse no keyboard - this guy plays LoL at higher ranking than me, pretty much paralyzed, using a foot button and a stick he holds in his mouth, not to take anything away from their achivements - it was obviously harder than them than somebody with perfect posture, settings, a good mechanical keyboard, desk, screen, hardware, grip, thousands of hours of Osu experience etc - but that's the point i am trying to make, it just makes it more difficult for you to achieve a certain level. Actually, if you have worse settings or hardware, you are probably more likely to try harder to achieve the same rank or level, getting stronger in other ways, even.. I'l probably try some games with 100 or 5k DPI, to force myself to win in other ways than perfecting micro and use of the mouse =P
Bad mouse settings are a handicap past a certain point (or maybe pulling down your skill some if you are not set up well within the range) but they won't prevent you from getting Masters, not at all - You can do that with 100dpi or with 5-10k. The best it can do is make it MORE DIFFICULT for you to achieve a certain level - through lower skill at controlling the mouse cursor
If you ask how many points masters/gm might be a useful survey. Can't imagine someone getting past 600ish without good mouse control unless they are all inning or playing protoss without relying on FF
Hm i use 2000 dpi and i wish it could go higher kuz atm i have sc2 sens @ 71%. It was perfect @53%sens and 2000dpi on smaller resolution, but since i got a new comp the cursor moves soooo slow in sc2. I couldnt imagine playing on lower dpi or lower sens the cursor wouldnt even move. I dont know how u guys do it. lol Honestly playing with a slow mouse is more of a handicap than anything else.
Have to adjust to it - If you go from 2000dpi to 400, play for a week and then go to 800 - then 800 is lightning fast and you can't see how anyone would use it.
I have to say there's a big trend towards 400-1200 range as people get better with mouse. Take THIS for example:
This is 600dpi. It's not 1920x1080, it's in a window - but i play Osu at the same DPI as Starcraft 2 with osu also in a window, because it's mostly 4:3 and just requires lower DPI - So 600dpi in Osu, i'd use 600dpi in Sc2 as well, but this puts everything i can do to shame
The good mouse players though, the really good ones, they use lower sens than most, 95+ times out of 100
I strive to be this good with mouse it would make you such a micro god. Same with keyboard hotkeys, camera hotkeys, just management etc.
I tried setting it to 1000dpi, the thing is too slow, i cant even click on things in my browser properly. Idk i honestly find accuracy really hard with a slower mouse. The travel distance and everything feels so off, i dont want to move my mouse/wrist that much. I also have Tendonitis atm(not from comp) and high sens mouse seems way more ergonomic and comfortable.
The way i got it now i never have to lift my mouse or move my arm, stretching my fingers moves my mouse across whole screen. I couldnt have it any other way. Ive never had a problem with clicking things in SC2. I also dont have much space for my mouse, 1.5inches of space on either side of it, it never travels more than .5inch in any direction.
I would go crazy with 600dpi(1000 is maddening enough), it looks like he would have to move his mouse 3inches just to cross the screen. With the lower DPI your wrist is doing alot more work also having to lift your mouse all the time will aggravate/cause tendon problems too. I only noticed this after i got tendonitis myself. Its interesting considering how many wrist injuries there are and how all the "good" mouse users do this really low sens style. After being injured myself higher sens seems far more ergonomic than having to do all these exaggerated wrist movements. Stretching your wrist to the left or right stretches your tendon. Over doing that will lead to tendonitis.
Besides all that i just really cant click anything with low sens. I know thats just kuz im not used to it, but i have no reason to get used to it either. My mouse is also not even on an even surface(water dmg to desk, no mousepad) and still no problems with clicking at all on high sens. Not sure what the issue is with high sens tbh. You can talk about pixel jumping or w/e but it isnt noticable ingame unless your alrdy barely hitting your mark when u click.
How much would you say comes down to hand eye co-ordination? Seems like if you got good co-ordination there isnt much reason to slow everything down so much.
I couldnt have it any other way. Ive never had a problem with clicking things in SC2
That's fine, it just makes it more difficult to have high speed and accuracy. You won't notice the difference if you do not have better mechanics than 95-99% of people anyway.
My mouse is also not even on an even surface(water dmg to desk, no mousepad) and still no problems with clicking at all on high sens
Well no wonder you can't tell the difference, you are comparing horse shit to horse shit =P No offense there, but if you are not trying pushing skill, it really does not matter what you are using on mouse. My advice and i am sure the advice of many others are for people trying to improve mouse accuracy/precision and multitasking/speed in sc2 or other things (if you are more accurate, you can translate that into the same accuracy in less time, which means you can chain actions faster)
With the lower DPI your wrist is doing alot more work also having to lift your mouse all the time will aggravate/cause tendon problems too
Debunked that a lot, it's actually the other way around. Playing 600dpi on 1920x1080, lol you don't move the wrist at all, or put any strain on the fingers. That video for example, he's supporting the mouse with the base of his palm, it's a claw grip - HE'S NOT ACTUALLY PIVOTING HIS WRIST, AT ALL. Having played dozens of hours in the last couple weeks with similar grips, if you put insane stress on your mouse movement, high accuracy and speed like osu for 2-3+ minutes without a moments break, you do really feel the stresses and fatigue, but it's many inches behind the wrist and in the upper arm and shoulder, NOT anywhere near the wrist - like it is at higher dpi's, or a mid level sens with a bad grip
Hand eye coordination? No, that's not really relevant at all - if you have a good mouse sensor you can snap from the minimap to a marine halfway across the screen with your eyes closed - which is again better at lower sens because it's easier to repeat the movement within x% of what you are trying to replicate (much bigger movement)
If you have muscle memory down, you rely very little on your eyes to check where the mouse cursor is on screen - because you know exactly where it is by how much you have moved it, and you know how much you have moved it by just a feeling in your head. It's actually why i (and i assume high level osu players) can play the game while staring at the wall behind the monitor - as long as you have the screen in your PERIPHERAL VISION (to correct for very small drift over dozens of movements due to not being 100% accurate) then you do not need to use your eyes, you only need them when you do not have muscle memory or you have higher sens because you have to confirm where your mouse is due to not having the ability to move it exactly where you want to with a high enough precision to rely less and less on your eyes
1) Thats a big reason i said theres no reason for me to change my mouse settings.
2) I wasnt comparing anything, i said i have no problems with clicking accuracy even on an uneven surface. Higher sens would only cause more problems with an uneven surface no? idk im the noob thats why im asking
3)Thats how i grip and why i just move my fingers to move my mouse. With lower sens i cant just use my fingers anymore, i have to make larger movements. Your correct, it isnt the wrist itself that gets injured its your tendons, as i said i currently have tendonitis thats why i know lower sens hurts more, ive tried it. More movement more pain. Theres no strain on my fingers cause my sens isnt super low, they dont have to do much they rest on my mouse and guide it more than actually grip/lift it.
Muscle memory makes sense, that slipped my mind, thats why i cant click anything with low sens lol. Ive been using high sens since i was like 11 and had my 1st comp, just was easier to me. Your right, its muscle memory and not hand eye co-ordination.
Im trying to limit my movement and achieve the same results, it sounds like your trying to do the opposite. Again i never had a problem with clicking or accuracy thats why i see no reason to decrease my sens. After all if it comes down to muscle memory then why even bring up sens? Just go with what your comfortable with and what works best for you? But obviously that isnt the case as people seem to have this shit down to a science.
Im not arguing in anyway, im just interested/curious on the topic.
Holy shit. I just tried how it feels to first set the DPI really low (400) and after a while change it back to 1000 DPI. Now 1000 DPI feels incredibly fast, wow.
This feels so much better than 1500-2000 (for me).
Again i never had a problem with clicking or accuracy thats why i see no reason to decrease my sens.
If it's good enough, there's no point, it's like people who think a game runs ok ("i can still micro fine") not wanting to bother overclocking a CPU or upgrading hardware in certain ways for more FPS, that's super common, i am just more of a "make everything perfect" type guy, i struggle to play if the room is more than 2-3c too hot or cold or my chair is 5cm too low, being just a bit more accurate or more fast or 10% more performance is a pretty big deal to me, but most people just will not care, and i understand the lack of reasons to care, a lot, it's just not how i think/feel
Edit: A little something more:
Scroll up to that video i posted, try to do that map on Osu. Either you are superhuman OR you will have a problem with accuracy at that speed (:
On April 24 2013 03:17 Keeemy wrote: Holy shit. I just tried how it feels to first set the DPI really low (400) and after a while change it back to 1000 DPI. Now 1000 DPI feels incredibly fast, wow.
This feels so much better than 1500-2000 (for me).
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