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On August 12 2025 17:29 Ch3rry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 16:08 MJG wrote:On August 07 2025 16:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Second news are Clem and herO are both joining Serral, and declining participation in this event. Still saving sc2 ? or more players realise what type of event is that? Clem dropped out of uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly that tournament is some sort of shady scam intended to enrich uThermal!  Heard that one before. To sum up, RSL is not a scam, as they clearly explained how much money will go to Reward Pool on their Patreon Page. Reward pool is not big, so less excitement from audience and maybe some players dropping because of this? Maybe, however still not scam. Just another A- or B-tier tornament, ran by famous streamers this time. /thread
Clearly explained how much goes to prizepool? What? Couldn't find any explanation or maths behind their prizepool ideas.
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On August 12 2025 18:38 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 16:08 MJG wrote:On August 07 2025 16:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Second news are Clem and herO are both joining Serral, and declining participation in this event. Still saving sc2 ? or more players realise what type of event is that? Clem dropped out of uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly that tournament is some sort of shady scam intended to enrich uThermal! And Serral casually playing it, herO not signed for RSL aswell, while signed for french cup If you wouldn't be bias, you would bring all players , not just who you have interest in. 2v2 cup is sometihng else, not much players have fun playing it.
uThermal's 2v2 tournament is a $15000 event. For your own logic to be consistent, what you said earlier must apply:
On August 07 2025 21:18 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Da fk your talking about players avoiding clashes broh))) as maru and byun already signed for both rsl and maestro xD
There is no reason to avoid for players at all, as their prizepool are minimal compared to what it was even 3-5 years ago , to skip anything without real reason. You just have no clue mate
Therefore, by your own logic that you've laid out in this thread, Clem must believe that there's something wrong/shady with uThermal's tournament.
I'd love to know what you think that is.
That was sarcasm. I have no interest in what you think if you can't even stick to your own logic from one post to the next lmao. It's pretty clear that the top players are picking and choosing their tournament appearances in the aftermath of the most stressful tournament they'll play all year. It has nothing to do with RSL and its Patreon funding.
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On August 12 2025 19:15 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 18:38 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 16:08 MJG wrote:On August 07 2025 16:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Second news are Clem and herO are both joining Serral, and declining participation in this event. Still saving sc2 ? or more players realise what type of event is that? Clem dropped out of uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly that tournament is some sort of shady scam intended to enrich uThermal! And Serral casually playing it, herO not signed for RSL aswell, while signed for french cup If you wouldn't be bias, you would bring all players , not just who you have interest in. 2v2 cup is sometihng else, not much players have fun playing it. uThermal's 2v2 tournament is a $15000 event. For your own logic to be consistent, what you said earlier must apply: Show nested quote +On August 07 2025 21:18 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Da fk your talking about players avoiding clashes broh))) as maru and byun already signed for both rsl and maestro xD
There is no reason to avoid for players at all, as their prizepool are minimal compared to what it was even 3-5 years ago , to skip anything without real reason. You just have no clue mate Therefore, by your own logic that you've laid out in this thread, Clem must believe that there's something wrong/shady with uThermal's tournament. I'd love to know what you think that is. That was sarcasm. I have no interest in what you think if you can't even stick to your own logic from one post to the next lmao. It's pretty clear that the top players are picking and choosing their tournament appearances in the aftermath of the most stressful tournament they'll play all year. It has nothing to do with RSL and its Patreon funding.
Pretty clear to me you're wrong, Thanks for your bias opinion (sarcasm for sure)
totaly ignored Serral part , herO part , focus on clem only, my lovely piece of cake.
In aftermath of most stressfull tournament of the year both herO and Cem is playing this right now :  WardiTV Summer Championship/2025
Get rekt
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On August 12 2025 19:23 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 19:15 MJG wrote:On August 12 2025 18:38 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 16:08 MJG wrote:On August 07 2025 16:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Second news are Clem and herO are both joining Serral, and declining participation in this event. Still saving sc2 ? or more players realise what type of event is that? Clem dropped out of uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly that tournament is some sort of shady scam intended to enrich uThermal! And Serral casually playing it, herO not signed for RSL aswell, while signed for french cup If you wouldn't be bias, you would bring all players , not just who you have interest in. 2v2 cup is sometihng else, not much players have fun playing it. uThermal's 2v2 tournament is a $15000 event. For your own logic to be consistent, what you said earlier must apply: On August 07 2025 21:18 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Da fk your talking about players avoiding clashes broh))) as maru and byun already signed for both rsl and maestro xD
There is no reason to avoid for players at all, as their prizepool are minimal compared to what it was even 3-5 years ago , to skip anything without real reason. You just have no clue mate Therefore, by your own logic that you've laid out in this thread, Clem must believe that there's something wrong/shady with uThermal's tournament. I'd love to know what you think that is. That was sarcasm. I have no interest in what you think if you can't even stick to your own logic from one post to the next lmao. It's pretty clear that the top players are picking and choosing their tournament appearances in the aftermath of the most stressful tournament they'll play all year. It has nothing to do with RSL and its Patreon funding. Pretty clear to me you're wrong, Thanks for your bias opinion (sarcasm for sure) totaly ignored Serral part , herO part , focus on clem only, my lovely piece of cake.
herO also isn't playing in uThermal's 2v2 tournament.
Clearly herO and Clem know something about uThermal that the rest of us don't!!!
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On August 12 2025 19:26 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 19:23 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 19:15 MJG wrote:On August 12 2025 18:38 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 16:08 MJG wrote:On August 07 2025 16:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Second news are Clem and herO are both joining Serral, and declining participation in this event. Still saving sc2 ? or more players realise what type of event is that? Clem dropped out of uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly that tournament is some sort of shady scam intended to enrich uThermal! And Serral casually playing it, herO not signed for RSL aswell, while signed for french cup If you wouldn't be bias, you would bring all players , not just who you have interest in. 2v2 cup is sometihng else, not much players have fun playing it. uThermal's 2v2 tournament is a $15000 event. For your own logic to be consistent, what you said earlier must apply: On August 07 2025 21:18 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Da fk your talking about players avoiding clashes broh))) as maru and byun already signed for both rsl and maestro xD
There is no reason to avoid for players at all, as their prizepool are minimal compared to what it was even 3-5 years ago , to skip anything without real reason. You just have no clue mate Therefore, by your own logic that you've laid out in this thread, Clem must believe that there's something wrong/shady with uThermal's tournament. I'd love to know what you think that is. That was sarcasm. I have no interest in what you think if you can't even stick to your own logic from one post to the next lmao. It's pretty clear that the top players are picking and choosing their tournament appearances in the aftermath of the most stressful tournament they'll play all year. It has nothing to do with RSL and its Patreon funding. Pretty clear to me you're wrong, Thanks for your bias opinion (sarcasm for sure) totaly ignored Serral part , herO part , focus on clem only, my lovely piece of cake. herO also isn't playing in uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly herO and Clem know something about uThermal that the rest of us don't!!!
Both playing Wardi tournament my son
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On August 12 2025 19:27 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 19:26 MJG wrote:On August 12 2025 19:23 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 19:15 MJG wrote:On August 12 2025 18:38 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 16:08 MJG wrote:On August 07 2025 16:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Second news are Clem and herO are both joining Serral, and declining participation in this event. Still saving sc2 ? or more players realise what type of event is that? Clem dropped out of uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly that tournament is some sort of shady scam intended to enrich uThermal! And Serral casually playing it, herO not signed for RSL aswell, while signed for french cup If you wouldn't be bias, you would bring all players , not just who you have interest in. 2v2 cup is sometihng else, not much players have fun playing it. uThermal's 2v2 tournament is a $15000 event. For your own logic to be consistent, what you said earlier must apply: On August 07 2025 21:18 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Da fk your talking about players avoiding clashes broh))) as maru and byun already signed for both rsl and maestro xD
There is no reason to avoid for players at all, as their prizepool are minimal compared to what it was even 3-5 years ago , to skip anything without real reason. You just have no clue mate Therefore, by your own logic that you've laid out in this thread, Clem must believe that there's something wrong/shady with uThermal's tournament. I'd love to know what you think that is. That was sarcasm. I have no interest in what you think if you can't even stick to your own logic from one post to the next lmao. It's pretty clear that the top players are picking and choosing their tournament appearances in the aftermath of the most stressful tournament they'll play all year. It has nothing to do with RSL and its Patreon funding. Pretty clear to me you're wrong, Thanks for your bias opinion (sarcasm for sure) totaly ignored Serral part , herO part , focus on clem only, my lovely piece of cake. herO also isn't playing in uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly herO and Clem know something about uThermal that the rest of us don't!!! Both playing Wardi tournament my son
Wardi's tournament has a smaller prize pool.
CLEARLY UTHERMAL IS THE DEVIL!!!
Lmao.
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On August 12 2025 19:29 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 19:27 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 19:26 MJG wrote:On August 12 2025 19:23 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 19:15 MJG wrote:On August 12 2025 18:38 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 16:08 MJG wrote:On August 07 2025 16:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Second news are Clem and herO are both joining Serral, and declining participation in this event. Still saving sc2 ? or more players realise what type of event is that? Clem dropped out of uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly that tournament is some sort of shady scam intended to enrich uThermal! And Serral casually playing it, herO not signed for RSL aswell, while signed for french cup If you wouldn't be bias, you would bring all players , not just who you have interest in. 2v2 cup is sometihng else, not much players have fun playing it. uThermal's 2v2 tournament is a $15000 event. For your own logic to be consistent, what you said earlier must apply: On August 07 2025 21:18 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Da fk your talking about players avoiding clashes broh))) as maru and byun already signed for both rsl and maestro xD
There is no reason to avoid for players at all, as their prizepool are minimal compared to what it was even 3-5 years ago , to skip anything without real reason. You just have no clue mate Therefore, by your own logic that you've laid out in this thread, Clem must believe that there's something wrong/shady with uThermal's tournament. I'd love to know what you think that is. That was sarcasm. I have no interest in what you think if you can't even stick to your own logic from one post to the next lmao. It's pretty clear that the top players are picking and choosing their tournament appearances in the aftermath of the most stressful tournament they'll play all year. It has nothing to do with RSL and its Patreon funding. Pretty clear to me you're wrong, Thanks for your bias opinion (sarcasm for sure) totaly ignored Serral part , herO part , focus on clem only, my lovely piece of cake. herO also isn't playing in uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly herO and Clem know something about uThermal that the rest of us don't!!! Both playing Wardi tournament my son Wardi's tournament has a smaller prize pool. CLEARLY UTHERMAL IS THE DEVIL!!! Lmao.
Clearly you're just bias troll / tasteless fanboy
And yeah, thanks for bringing Uthermal's tournament. This guy has 1300$ patreon , 10 times smaller than Tasteless , and he hosts tournament , which casually doubles prizepool of "SAVING REVIVING OMEGA CUP WITH GSL VIBES" with Tasteless
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On August 12 2025 19:30 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 19:29 MJG wrote:On August 12 2025 19:27 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 19:26 MJG wrote:On August 12 2025 19:23 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 19:15 MJG wrote:On August 12 2025 18:38 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 16:08 MJG wrote:On August 07 2025 16:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Second news are Clem and herO are both joining Serral, and declining participation in this event. Still saving sc2 ? or more players realise what type of event is that? Clem dropped out of uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly that tournament is some sort of shady scam intended to enrich uThermal! And Serral casually playing it, herO not signed for RSL aswell, while signed for french cup If you wouldn't be bias, you would bring all players , not just who you have interest in. 2v2 cup is sometihng else, not much players have fun playing it. uThermal's 2v2 tournament is a $15000 event. For your own logic to be consistent, what you said earlier must apply: On August 07 2025 21:18 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Da fk your talking about players avoiding clashes broh))) as maru and byun already signed for both rsl and maestro xD
There is no reason to avoid for players at all, as their prizepool are minimal compared to what it was even 3-5 years ago , to skip anything without real reason. You just have no clue mate Therefore, by your own logic that you've laid out in this thread, Clem must believe that there's something wrong/shady with uThermal's tournament. I'd love to know what you think that is. That was sarcasm. I have no interest in what you think if you can't even stick to your own logic from one post to the next lmao. It's pretty clear that the top players are picking and choosing their tournament appearances in the aftermath of the most stressful tournament they'll play all year. It has nothing to do with RSL and its Patreon funding. Pretty clear to me you're wrong, Thanks for your bias opinion (sarcasm for sure) totaly ignored Serral part , herO part , focus on clem only, my lovely piece of cake. herO also isn't playing in uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly herO and Clem know something about uThermal that the rest of us don't!!! Both playing Wardi tournament my son Wardi's tournament has a smaller prize pool. CLEARLY UTHERMAL IS THE DEVIL!!! Lmao. Clearly you're just bias troll / tasteless fanboy
You've made some pretty damning claims against RSL, but you've not supplied any actual evidence.
Your assertion that pro players are avoiding RSL because they think it's dodgy completely falls apart when the same logic is applied to other tournaments that the same players are choosing to avoid.
This thread accounts for almost all your posting on the forum and you've been banned more than once already.
How anyone other than you is the troll is completely beyond my comprehension.
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On August 12 2025 19:30 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
And yeah, thanks for bringing Uthermal's tournament. This guy has 1300$ patreon , 10 times smaller than Tasteless , and he hosts tournament , which casually doubles prizepool of "SAVING REVIVING OMEGA CUP WITH GSL VIBES" with Tasteless
And yet herO and Clem are still avoiding uThermal's tournament.
The obvious reason is that they can't play in everything, and that is has nothing to do with the tournament being shady.
But you'll continue to assert that players are avoiding RSL because RSL is a scam, whilst ignoring it when the same players choose not to play in other tournaments.
Your logic is in shambles.
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Clem and herO avoiding 2v2 tournament? Are u brainwashed or what? xd They play every 1v1 tournament they can,
You completely ignored their presence in Wardi tournament rn, and keep on bringing 2v2 only instead xD
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On August 12 2025 19:57 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Clem and herO avoiding 2v2 tournament? Are u brainwashed or what? xd They play every 1v1 tournament they can,
You completely ignored their presence in Wardi tournament rn, and keep on bringing 2v2 only instead xD
You're the one who said that there's no good reason for players to avoid tournaments with good prize money.
You're the one who used that logic to assert that players could only possibly be avoiding RSL because they think it's shady.
All I'm doing is applying your logic to uThermal's tournament.
It's not my fault that your logic falls apart when applied to tournaments that you don't have a hate boner for.
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I think we established three rough points:
1)OP can't provide any evidence for his claim, struggles with reading comprehension and has an argumentational realm consisting of the words "fanboy" and "scam"
2)Tasteless/RSL will not address this topic in any way, shape or form. Which at this point...kinda get it.
3)People like to troll the heck out of the village idiot.
Soooo...can we close this please? Feels like we will not get any more revelations out of this...(and yes, I know, he will just reopen another thread, because in 4 out 5 cases this seems to be the natural reflex when you want to troll/hate in a forum, but still)
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On August 12 2025 18:43 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 17:29 Ch3rry wrote:On August 12 2025 16:08 MJG wrote:On August 07 2025 16:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Second news are Clem and herO are both joining Serral, and declining participation in this event. Still saving sc2 ? or more players realise what type of event is that? Clem dropped out of uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly that tournament is some sort of shady scam intended to enrich uThermal! Heard that one before. To sum up, RSL is not a scam, as they clearly explained how much money will go to Reward Pool on their Patreon Page. Reward pool is not big, so less excitement from audience and maybe some players dropping because of this? Maybe, however still not scam. Just another A- or B-tier tornament, ran by famous streamers this time. /thread Clearly explained how much goes to prizepool? What? Couldn't find any explanation or maths behind their prizepool ideas.
I did not say they shared the exact math. Just go visit their Patreon site: https://www.patreon.com/revivesc2/about
What is hidden here regarding Prize Pool for tournaments vs how much will they gather via Patreon?
Goal 1: Base level - we will be operating at this level for 2025 regardless of what level we hit
Event Scope: Two online seasons of your StarCraft 2 tournament.
Prize Pool: 5 million KRW per season (10 million KRW total).
(...)
Goal 3: 3 Seasons, offline season final ($15,000/month)
Event Scope: Three online seasons + a two-day offline Grand Finals weekend event in Seoul with spectators and other side events.
Prize Pool: 10 million KRW per season (30 million KRW total).
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On August 12 2025 20:32 Balnazza wrote:
Soooo...can we close this please? Feels like we will not get any more revelations out of this..
No. This should not be closed. The main criticism still stands. It does not matter whether OP is trollish.
The prize pool of RSL is exceptionally poor in relation to the large sum of money received via crowdfunding. The prize pool is indeed so small that, as Wardi said, it can probably be funded by ads alone, leaving practically all of the $10.000+ per month for other purposes. As mentioned by others, even uThermal's fun 2v2 tournament has a bigger prize pool with much less funding. All this is a valid topic of discussion.
It is also an objective fact that RSL has failed to attract most of the best players in Serral, Maru, and now even Clem and others. Obviously many factors are relevant in whether a player will join a tournament, but no one can seriously deny that the prize pool is one of the most important incentives to join a tournament.
I agree that the terms "scam" and "shady" are inappropriate, but by the same token the main criticism cannot be dismissed just by saying that these terms are inappropriate.
On August 12 2025 20:32 Balnazza wrote:
Tasteless/RSL will not address this topic in any way, shape or form. Which at this point...kinda get it.
What do you mean you get it? The absence of clarification on the part of Tasteless et al. for the time being simply suggests (but does not prove) that they do not have any clarification that would cast their financial model in a more favorable light.
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On August 13 2025 04:09 Ch3rry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 18:43 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 17:29 Ch3rry wrote:On August 12 2025 16:08 MJG wrote:On August 07 2025 16:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
Second news are Clem and herO are both joining Serral, and declining participation in this event. Still saving sc2 ? or more players realise what type of event is that? Clem dropped out of uThermal's 2v2 tournament. Clearly that tournament is some sort of shady scam intended to enrich uThermal! Heard that one before. To sum up, RSL is not a scam, as they clearly explained how much money will go to Reward Pool on their Patreon Page. Reward pool is not big, so less excitement from audience and maybe some players dropping because of this? Maybe, however still not scam. Just another A- or B-tier tornament, ran by famous streamers this time. /thread Clearly explained how much goes to prizepool? What? Couldn't find any explanation or maths behind their prizepool ideas. I did not say they shared the exact math. Just go visit their Patreon site: https://www.patreon.com/revivesc2/about What is hidden here regarding Prize Pool for tournaments vs how much will they gather via Patreon? Goal 1: Base level - we will be operating at this level for 2025 regardless of what level we hitEvent Scope: Two online seasons of your StarCraft 2 tournament. Prize Pool: 5 million KRW per season (10 million KRW total).(...) Goal 3: 3 Seasons, offline season final ($15,000/month)Event Scope: Three online seasons + a two-day offline Grand Finals weekend event in Seoul with spectators and other side events. Prize Pool: 10 million KRW per season (30 million KRW total).
Thats very smart point and very unique information . Thank you
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On August 12 2025 20:32 Balnazza wrote:
I think we established three rough points:
1)OP can't provide any evidence for his claim, struggles with reading comprehension and has an argumentational realm consisting of the words "fanboy" and "scam"
2)Tasteless/RSL will not address this topic in any way, shape or form. Which at this point...kinda get it.
3)People like to troll the heck out of the village idiot.
Soooo...can we close this please? Feels like we will not get any more revelations out of this...(and yes, I know, he will just reopen another thread, because in 4 out 5 cases this seems to be the natural reflex when you want to troll/hate in a forum, but still)
Should stop reading any post from you and MJG, you both, on whole 10 pages keep spamming literally same stuff, about evidences and tastelss bank bills to proove WHAT? if you literally can count overall money gain/spent by using 2nd class mathematic skills. If tasteless won't be bringing any transparency's , thats real proof already.
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On August 13 2025 06:20 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2025 20:32 Balnazza wrote:
I think we established three rough points:
1)OP can't provide any evidence for his claim, struggles with reading comprehension and has an argumentational realm consisting of the words "fanboy" and "scam"
2)Tasteless/RSL will not address this topic in any way, shape or form. Which at this point...kinda get it.
3)People like to troll the heck out of the village idiot.
Soooo...can we close this please? Feels like we will not get any more revelations out of this...(and yes, I know, he will just reopen another thread, because in 4 out 5 cases this seems to be the natural reflex when you want to troll/hate in a forum, but still) Should stop reading any post from you and MJG, you both, on whole 10 pages keep spamming literally same stuff, about evidences and tastelss bank bills to proove WHAT? if you literally can count overall money gain/spent by using 2nd class mathematic skills. If tasteless won't be bringing any transparency's , thats real proof already.
Proof of what? You don’t seem to get this concept.
You’re completely entitled to your view that more of the proceeds should go to prize pool, many here agree on that
They don’t agree with your assertion that it’s a scam.
You also want to claim players skipped RSL because they had issues here, when nobody as yet has said as such.
Your only evidence was people not participating, but MJW flipped your logic around to jokingly make the claim that Clem not playing in uThermal’s 2v2 was evidence of him having an issue with him. Which, was not a serious accusation it was just poking fun of your complete lack of evidence and jumping on anything that might ‘prove’ your point.
You can’t seem to understand any of this, and just keep moaning incessantly.
It’s clear you’re not some concerned citizen and have some strange vendetta with this particular event, and hey good luck with that
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On August 13 2025 07:26 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2025 06:20 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 20:32 Balnazza wrote:
I think we established three rough points:
1)OP can't provide any evidence for his claim, struggles with reading comprehension and has an argumentational realm consisting of the words "fanboy" and "scam"
2)Tasteless/RSL will not address this topic in any way, shape or form. Which at this point...kinda get it.
3)People like to troll the heck out of the village idiot.
Soooo...can we close this please? Feels like we will not get any more revelations out of this...(and yes, I know, he will just reopen another thread, because in 4 out 5 cases this seems to be the natural reflex when you want to troll/hate in a forum, but still) Should stop reading any post from you and MJG, you both, on whole 10 pages keep spamming literally same stuff, about evidences and tastelss bank bills to proove WHAT? if you literally can count overall money gain/spent by using 2nd class mathematic skills. If tasteless won't be bringing any transparency's , thats real proof already. Proof of what? You don’t seem to get this concept. You’re completely entitled to your view that more of the proceeds should go to prize pool, many here agree on that They don’t agree with your assertion that it’s a scam. You also want to claim players skipped RSL because they had issues here, when nobody as yet has said as such. Your only evidence was people not participating, but MJW flipped your logic around to jokingly make the claim that Clem not playing in uThermal’s 2v2 was evidence of him having an issue with him. Which, was not a serious accusation it was just poking fun of your complete lack of evidence and jumping on anything that might ‘prove’ your point. You can’t seem to understand any of this, and just keep moaning incessantly. It’s clear you’re not some concerned citizen and have some strange vendetta with this particular event, and hey good luck with that
Yes, exactly, my main point is , Patreon says "Let's bring back StarCraft II". So if Tasteless would really have will for it, he would put most of those money into prizepool, if not all of them.
It would make a really big 40000$ tournament once in 3 month, organizing them doesnt cost anything, aswell as streaming. And you still make money with ADs, subs and selling stuff. If you disagree, we can ask Jonathan Ward or Jared Krensel, if thats the case. VIP studio (omegalul) doesnt save sc2 , players and good games do. Not studio.
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On August 13 2025 08:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2025 07:26 WombaT wrote:On August 13 2025 06:20 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 20:32 Balnazza wrote:
I think we established three rough points:
1)OP can't provide any evidence for his claim, struggles with reading comprehension and has an argumentational realm consisting of the words "fanboy" and "scam"
2)Tasteless/RSL will not address this topic in any way, shape or form. Which at this point...kinda get it.
3)People like to troll the heck out of the village idiot.
Soooo...can we close this please? Feels like we will not get any more revelations out of this...(and yes, I know, he will just reopen another thread, because in 4 out 5 cases this seems to be the natural reflex when you want to troll/hate in a forum, but still) Should stop reading any post from you and MJG, you both, on whole 10 pages keep spamming literally same stuff, about evidences and tastelss bank bills to proove WHAT? if you literally can count overall money gain/spent by using 2nd class mathematic skills. If tasteless won't be bringing any transparency's , thats real proof already. Proof of what? You don’t seem to get this concept. You’re completely entitled to your view that more of the proceeds should go to prize pool, many here agree on that They don’t agree with your assertion that it’s a scam. You also want to claim players skipped RSL because they had issues here, when nobody as yet has said as such. Your only evidence was people not participating, but MJW flipped your logic around to jokingly make the claim that Clem not playing in uThermal’s 2v2 was evidence of him having an issue with him. Which, was not a serious accusation it was just poking fun of your complete lack of evidence and jumping on anything that might ‘prove’ your point. You can’t seem to understand any of this, and just keep moaning incessantly. It’s clear you’re not some concerned citizen and have some strange vendetta with this particular event, and hey good luck with that Yes, exactly, my main point is , Patreon says "Let's bring back StarCraft II". So if Tasteless would really have will for it, he would put most of those money into prizepool, if not all of them. It would make a really big 40000$ tournament once in 3 month, organizing them doesnt cost anything, aswell as streaming. And you still make money with ADs, subs and selling stuff. If you disagree, we can ask Jonathan Ward or Jared Krensel, if thats the case. VIP studio (omegalul) doesnt save sc2 , players and good games do. Not studio.
"Hey y'all!
I have recently noticed, after the first RSl finished, that the prizepool is surprisingly low for the amount of money collected through Patreon. I get that studio and crew and what not are expensive, but I do wonder if the money wouldn't be better invested in just running online tournaments, like PiG and Wardi do?
Sure, offline events are always amazing and a high-production is really cool. While I appreciate and love what Wardi, PiG and others do, I get that there are limitation of what you can do as a one-man-army...or even with a small team. It is not the same as lets say GSL-production or what ESL did. Khaldor actually recently did an interesting video about the limitations of what he can do for his Heroes of the Storm content.
So anyway, I get the charm of all that fancy looking stuff, but in my opinion, the scene has become so small that it would be smarter to reinvest the money into the players, not the fluff. There are great examples for how that could work. T90 for example has a 1v1 AoE2 League called Titans League, that kind of covers all the bases - though to be fair, he does get money from Microsoft. While the Platin League covers the very best 24 players the game has, it goes down to even a Bronze League, featuring the up-and-coming new players. That way, money isn't just feeded into the top, like most tournaments tend to do, but supports the scene on a broad spectrum and even might encourage new players to pick up the game and atleast play up to a certain level of skill.
Now, of course the entire "Saving GSL"-thing might be what brought in that huge amount of money, so taking that away could end in lower yield, but that will happen eventually anyway should RSL fail to bring back the glory of GSL...which I'm afraid is kind of inevitable. But I still think that in the long-run, this might help the scene better. Though of course, I am curious how you people think about this?
Is RSLs approach the future-proof viable one? Or should Tasteless rethink his investment? Can they even change it up or will Patreon get them for it?"
vs.
"Omegalul Tasteless is a SCAMMER and has a shady thing that is useless omg people are all fanboys he is a SCAMMER and Serral didn't play the tournament because of that and the proof is that Tasteless needs to proof he is not a SCAMMER because I have proof that he is and that is that he has not proven that he is a SCAMMER!"
Please tell me, in a broad sentence, what you think is the better approach to discuss the topic of RSL money-allocation, which you claim is the main-topic you want to discuss.
Or, to the opposite, you can also tell me, again in a broad sentence, what you think is the better approach when you just want to hate on Tasteless?
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On August 13 2025 08:41 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2025 08:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 13 2025 07:26 WombaT wrote:On August 13 2025 06:20 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 12 2025 20:32 Balnazza wrote:
I think we established three rough points:
1)OP can't provide any evidence for his claim, struggles with reading comprehension and has an argumentational realm consisting of the words "fanboy" and "scam"
2)Tasteless/RSL will not address this topic in any way, shape or form. Which at this point...kinda get it.
3)People like to troll the heck out of the village idiot.
Soooo...can we close this please? Feels like we will not get any more revelations out of this...(and yes, I know, he will just reopen another thread, because in 4 out 5 cases this seems to be the natural reflex when you want to troll/hate in a forum, but still) Should stop reading any post from you and MJG, you both, on whole 10 pages keep spamming literally same stuff, about evidences and tastelss bank bills to proove WHAT? if you literally can count overall money gain/spent by using 2nd class mathematic skills. If tasteless won't be bringing any transparency's , thats real proof already. Proof of what? You don’t seem to get this concept. You’re completely entitled to your view that more of the proceeds should go to prize pool, many here agree on that They don’t agree with your assertion that it’s a scam. You also want to claim players skipped RSL because they had issues here, when nobody as yet has said as such. Your only evidence was people not participating, but MJW flipped your logic around to jokingly make the claim that Clem not playing in uThermal’s 2v2 was evidence of him having an issue with him. Which, was not a serious accusation it was just poking fun of your complete lack of evidence and jumping on anything that might ‘prove’ your point. You can’t seem to understand any of this, and just keep moaning incessantly. It’s clear you’re not some concerned citizen and have some strange vendetta with this particular event, and hey good luck with that Yes, exactly, my main point is , Patreon says "Let's bring back StarCraft II". So if Tasteless would really have will for it, he would put most of those money into prizepool, if not all of them. It would make a really big 40000$ tournament once in 3 month, organizing them doesnt cost anything, aswell as streaming. And you still make money with ADs, subs and selling stuff. If you disagree, we can ask Jonathan Ward or Jared Krensel, if thats the case. VIP studio (omegalul) doesnt save sc2 , players and good games do. Not studio. "Hey y'all! I have recently noticed, after the first RSl finished, that the prizepool is surprisingly low for the amount of money collected through Patreon. I get that studio and crew and what not are expensive, but I do wonder if the money wouldn't be better invested in just running online tournaments, like PiG and Wardi do? Sure, offline events are always amazing and a high-production is really cool. While I appreciate and love what Wardi, PiG and others do, I get that there are limitation of what you can do as a one-man-army...or even with a small team. It is not the same as lets say GSL-production or what ESL did. Khaldor actually recently did an interesting video about the limitations of what he can do for his Heroes of the Storm content. So anyway, I get the charm of all that fancy looking stuff, but in my opinion, the scene has become so small that it would be smarter to reinvest the money into the players, not the fluff. There are great examples for how that could work. T90 for example has a 1v1 AoE2 League called Titans League, that kind of covers all the bases - though to be fair, he does get money from Microsoft. While the Platin League covers the very best 24 players the game has, it goes down to even a Bronze League, featuring the up-and-coming new players. That way, money isn't just feeded into the top, like most tournaments tend to do, but supports the scene on a broad spectrum and even might encourage new players to pick up the game and atleast play up to a certain level of skill. Now, of course the entire "Saving GSL"-thing might be what brought in that huge amount of money, so taking that away could end in lower yield, but that will happen eventually anyway should RSL fail to bring back the glory of GSL...which I'm afraid is kind of inevitable. But I still think that in the long-run, this might help the scene better. Though of course, I am curious how you people think about this? Is RSLs approach the future-proof viable one? Or should Tasteless rethink his investment? Can they even change it up or will Patreon get them for it?" vs. "Omegalul Tasteless is a SCAMMER and has a shady thing that is useless omg people are all fanboys he is a SCAMMER and Serral didn't play the tournament because of that and the proof is that Tasteless needs to proof he is not a SCAMMER because I have proof that he is and that is that he has not proven that he is a SCAMMER!" Please tell me, in a broad sentence, what you think is the better approach to discuss the topic of RSL money-allocation, which you claim is the main-topic you want to discuss. Or, to the opposite, you can also tell me, again in a broad sentence, what you think is the better approach when you just want to hate on Tasteless?
Haha, this 100%
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OP is just slandering or trolling, can we close this thread
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