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hours and hours of playing, just broodwar.
And I'm convinced that it takes a superhuman to play at the highest levels. What ever accolades guys like Flash, Jaedong, Soulkey etc. get is not even enough to describe the mental power that it takes to play as they do.
My games are sloppy as heck, units everywhere, i get supply blocked, i'm too lazy to build defense, I don't scout. Those are just general descriptions of my game play, but Flash and Jaedong is so precise in everything they do it's unfathomable. That is not even an exaggeration.
A week of playing and my appreciation for the skill level of these guys are renewed. I've really taken them for granted. Now I see that it takes an enormous amount of energy to play this way.
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Yes. It is very surprising the skill they handle. And without getting stressed out.
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being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
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On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to society is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
look at mr sourpuss over here. they are making a living playing BW and they're providing entertainment for tens of thousands of people every single day. not a single doctor has ever entertained me the way these players have. so who is really contributing value to society here?
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u say that but ur doc Katja Kitzler keeps telling me that u come in every week to do knee reflex tests?
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On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
I'm not glorifying progamers, and I think some in health care are superhuman, but I'm not exaggerating to say that winning an ASL is probably harder mentally then working in healthcare.
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To each their own. I work in healthcare, and I believe/think no one needs superhuman abilities, whether they're a doctor or a professional BW player. Someone who's good at something feels passionate about it or a calling to what they do. Complete absorption in what you're doing, psychologically speaking, is the flow state. Many people tell me, for example, that I couldn't do that, but it's never really been a problem for me, and it comes easily to me. This is a BW forum, so he can talk/philosophize about how good he thinks the two players are. Of course, objectively speaking, BW is just a game, just like basketball, soccer, and everything else. Whether a doctor is an asset or not depends on the doctor, but the underlying principle is clear. Society isn't perfect, and we don't have to decide here what's more important, necessary, or has added value. So, in that spirit, let's shake hands and enjoy life as much as we can. Because what we're talking about here, some might say... "What's wrong with you?"
Have a nice day, good night.
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On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
Flash never got me addicted to prescription painkillers
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dear Mr. Tondan, everything you said in your post is correct and valid feelings to have. many people in the world share your feelings. in fact, there is a community called teamliquid for such people in english-speaking world, where fans and appreciators can get together and talk about it. welcome! ive personally been playing and watching for 20 years =) yes, the top players are superhumans haha
what race have you been playing? =))
On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
0/10. surprising from a 10k tl poster.
making paper airplanes is a hobby. knitting is a hobby. the OP is referring to licensced professional players making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, previously on network television, and now on popular streaming platforms. thats not a hobby. trust me i looked up "hobby" in my dictionary and i dont think you understand the meaning of this word. so the only thing "pretty meaningless" here is your post.
on a more personal note, the op is new to the game and the forums and came to express his appreciation for the game. what the heck is wrong with you? why would you come into here and expend your energy and time just to "yuck his yum"? why would you "yuck" anyone's "yum"? did you get bullied in hs or something? and are you sure you came to the right place? maybe teamliquid isnt for you? heres a better forum for you, everythingsucksandiammiserableandyoushouldbetoforums dot com / rainonyourparadecauseimbored dot html. or better yet if youre so concerned about adding real meaningful value to the world get on the next rocketship into the sun, cause you're crappy attitude isnt making the world (or tl) a better place.
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ppl playing this game are coasting even at the highest lvl bro, not my fault u r clueless
real competitive BW won't happen until sponsors get involved more and bring back seasonal proteam leagues
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On April 06 2026 14:43 .father wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it Flash never got me addicted to prescription painkillers
But boy does he have an investment opportunity for you!
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just a bit more detail, in order to have "real" competition u also need to have the right environment (and incentives) to foster it naturally, any pro sport/competition (at the highest level) is complete dedication, ppl in BW just practice when ASL comes up and then just do w/e they want until the next 1
many don't even take practicing for ASL seriously and still do well for example, in a real competitive setting this type of stuff would get weeded out really fast
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On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
Meh, doing something that people enjoy watching and care about is more meaningful than a tons of jobs. Much more in my opinion than working on marketing for a faceless company or in advertisement so that people buy more shit they don’t need.
And that’s without counting the huge amount of people whose job actually harm humanity.
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On April 06 2026 22:36 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it Meh, doing something that people enjoy watching and care about is more meaningful than a tons of jobs. Much more in my opinion than working on marketing for a faceless company or in advertisement so that people buy more shit they don’t need. And that’s without counting the huge amount of people whose job actually harm humanity.
ya thats fine, im not saying otherwise and BW really is a great game, its true that i didn't need to be overly negative towards a new player.. even if there's stuff i disagree with i coulda just ignored it
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On April 06 2026 16:29 tankgirl wrote:dear Mr. Tondan, everything you said in your post is correct and valid feelings to have. many people in the world share your feelings. in fact, there is a community called teamliquid for such people in english-speaking world, where fans and appreciators can get together and talk about it. welcome! ive personally been playing and watching for 20 years =) yes, the top players are superhumans haha what race have you been playing? =)) Show nested quote +On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it 0/10. surprising from a 10k tl poster. making paper airplanes is a hobby. knitting is a hobby. the OP is referring to licensced professional players making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, previously on network television, and now on popular streaming platforms. thats not a hobby. trust me i looked up "hobby" in my dictionary and i dont think you understand the meaning of this word. so the only thing "pretty meaningless" here is your post. on a more personal note, the op is new to the game and the forums and came to express his appreciation for the game. what the heck is wrong with you? why would you come into here and expend your energy and time just to "yuck his yum"? why would you "yuck" anyone's "yum"? did you get bullied in hs or something? and are you sure you came to the right place? maybe teamliquid isnt for you? heres a better forum for you, everythingsucksandiammiserableandyoushouldbetoforums dot com / rainonyourparadecauseimbored dot html. or better yet if youre so concerned about adding real meaningful value to the world get on the next rocketship into the sun, cause you're crappy attitude isnt making the world (or tl) a better place.
For context, I am not new. Ive been around since the days of Garimto and Xds Grrrr. But as the saying goes, the more you more know the more you realize how little you know. And that's where I'm at.
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On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
Doctors exist on a spectrum of competence. Bad doctors do net harm to the world. Just have to acknowledge the hundreds of thousands of deaths for opioids and painkiller prescriptions to see my point there.
Fun is a critical component to a healthy life. It's not something that gets prescribed by doctors, but that doesn't mean it's not valuable. Feeling a sense of awe at the incredible amount of skill required to play this game is a great experience, and one that I value highly. I think there are a lot of intangible benefits there.
TT1... you're one of the best foreign protoss players still in the scene - and I think you vastly underestimate the impact you have indirectly on the quality of life of everyone who syncs into this community to get their entertainment needs met. Without mid-level players wanting to improve, the base wouldn't exist to foster the abilities of the very top pros, who provide a useful service to me, at the very least. I've seen you spending effort helping those mid-level players. Hobbies matter, and you matter - and doctors aren't gods.
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Being a progamer is both a) harder and b) less meaningful than most jobs in health care.
Playing bw at a high level is really difficult. Real mastery takes a 5 digit number of hours worth of practice - and some talent in addition. Certain specialist positions might be even more demanding - but a good 98+% of jobs, even in health care, are less challenging. That's irrelevant when answering which provides more value to society, though.
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It reminds me of Einstein, who wrote in 1936 that it was such a waste that his friend Emmanuel Lasker dedicated his immense intellect and his whole life to something as useless and futile as chess.
Yet I have to say, I think the world is a richer place with the exquisite games Lasker played in it.
I am certain that your greatest contibution, that you are the proudest of, is your work as a teacher and an educator, Drone, but I remember seeing you play against Sea, and the game brought me enough joy that I remember it almost twenty years later. Say, you told him about the cold country you came from, and he went for a weird build with fast science vessel.
So cheers to great players!
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OP was sharing something specific to a game and you have TT1 going on a random tangent about healthcare, wtf man.
Anyway to OP’s point this is something unique to BW that no other game can come close to replicating imo.
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On April 07 2026 05:40 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It reminds me of Einstein, who wrote in 1936 that it was such a waste that his friend Emmanuel Lasker dedicated his immense intellect and his whole life to something as useless and futile as chess.
Yet I have to say, I think the world is a richer place with the exquisite games Lasker played in it.
I am certain that your greatest contibution, that you are the proudest of, is your work as a teacher and an educator, Drone, but I remember seeing you play against Sea, and the game brought me enough joy that I remember it almost twenty years later. Say, you told him about the cold country you came from, and he went for a weird build with fast science vessel.
So cheers to great players!
Tbh, I'm definitely doing more good with my life as a teacher and an educator. I think I'm a very good teacher - my students appreciate me, I appreciate them, and this feels like a perfect career path for me. I also think - honestly - that few people have the natural combination of personal attributes that constitute being a great teacher, and while a lot of it can be taught or learned through experience, there's an element of 'talent' or 'natural affinity' or something to that effect here, too. This can be extended to most professions.
But replicating what I did in brood war (and I did not play at a professional level, merely 'near the top outside korea') would, for most people, be more 'out of reach' than replicating what I do as a teacher. I mean, I can to some degree quantify what % of players I was better than, while I cannot in any way quantify what % of teachers I am better than, but I definitely think that brood war is more demanding. This precise aspect is why I've been grateful that I chose brood war as the game I dedicated myself to, because honestly, virtually nothing I do in real life is experienced as stressful after having been a competitive brood war player, and when I actually experience something as stressful, it tends to be because of some factor outside my own control (for example - I'm late for a meeting because of traffic).
That game vs Sea though, that's a peak clown moment from my perspective; I literally thought 'I'm gonna win with style' rather than 'I'm gonna win' and lost as a consequence thereof.
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