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hours and hours of playing, just broodwar.
And I'm convinced that it takes a superhuman to play at the highest levels. What ever accolades guys like Flash, Jaedong, Soulkey etc. get is not even enough to describe the mental power that it takes to play as they do.
My games are sloppy as heck, units everywhere, i get supply blocked, i'm too lazy to build defense, I don't scout. Those are just general descriptions of my game play, but Flash and Jaedong is so precise in everything they do it's unfathomable. That is not even an exaggeration.
A week of playing and my appreciation for the skill level of these guys are renewed. I've really taken them for granted. Now I see that it takes an enormous amount of energy to play this way.
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Yes. It is very surprising the skill they handle. And without getting stressed out.
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being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
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On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to society is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
look at mr sourpuss over here. they are making a living playing BW and they're providing entertainment for tens of thousands of people every single day. not a single doctor has ever entertained me the way these players have. so who is really contributing value to society here?
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u say that but ur doc Katja Kitzler keeps telling me that u come in every week to do knee reflex tests?
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On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
I'm not glorifying progamers, and I think some in health care are superhuman, but I'm not exaggerating to say that winning an ASL is probably harder mentally then working in healthcare.
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To each their own. I work in healthcare, and I believe/think no one needs superhuman abilities, whether they're a doctor or a professional BW player. Someone who's good at something feels passionate about it or a calling to what they do. Complete absorption in what you're doing, psychologically speaking, is the flow state. Many people tell me, for example, that I couldn't do that, but it's never really been a problem for me, and it comes easily to me. This is a BW forum, so he can talk/philosophize about how good he thinks the two players are. Of course, objectively speaking, BW is just a game, just like basketball, soccer, and everything else. Whether a doctor is an asset or not depends on the doctor, but the underlying principle is clear. Society isn't perfect, and we don't have to decide here what's more important, necessary, or has added value. So, in that spirit, let's shake hands and enjoy life as much as we can. Because what we're talking about here, some might say... "What's wrong with you?"
Have a nice day, good night.
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On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
Flash never got me addicted to prescription painkillers
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dear Mr. Tondan, everything you said in your post is correct and valid feelings to have. many people in the world share your feelings. in fact, there is a community called teamliquid for such people in english-speaking world, where fans and appreciators can get together and talk about it. welcome! ive personally been playing and watching for 20 years =) yes, the top players are superhumans haha
what race have you been playing? =))
On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
0/10. surprising from a 10k tl poster.
making paper airplanes is a hobby. knitting is a hobby. the OP is referring to licensced professional players making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, previously on network television, and now on popular streaming platforms. thats not a hobby. trust me i looked up "hobby" in my dictionary and i dont think you understand the meaning of this word. so the only thing "pretty meaningless" here is your post.
on a more personal note, the op is new to the game and the forums and came to express his appreciation for the game. what the heck is wrong with you? why would you come into here and expend your energy and time just to "yuck his yum"? why would you "yuck" anyone's "yum"? did you get bullied in hs or something? and are you sure you came to the right place? maybe teamliquid isnt for you? heres a better forum for you, everythingsucksandiammiserableandyoushouldbetoforums dot com / rainonyourparadecauseimbored dot html. or better yet if youre so concerned about adding real meaningful value to the world get on the next rocketship into the sun, cause you're crappy attitude isnt making the world (or tl) a better place.
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ppl playing this game are coasting even at the highest lvl bro, not my fault u r clueless
real competitive BW won't happen until sponsors get involved more and bring back seasonal proteam leagues
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On April 06 2026 14:43 .father wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it Flash never got me addicted to prescription painkillers
But boy does he have an investment opportunity for you!
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just a bit more detail, in order to have "real" competition u also need to have the right environment (and incentives) to foster it naturally, any pro sport/competition (at the highest level) is complete dedication, ppl in BW just practice when ASL comes up and then just do w/e they want until the next 1
many don't even take practicing for ASL seriously and still do well for example, in a real competitive setting this type of stuff would get weeded out really fast
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On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
Meh, doing something that people enjoy watching and care about is more meaningful than a tons of jobs. Much more in my opinion than working on marketing for a faceless company or in advertisement so that people buy more shit they don’t need.
And that’s without counting the huge amount of people whose job actually harm humanity.
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On April 06 2026 22:36 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it Meh, doing something that people enjoy watching and care about is more meaningful than a tons of jobs. Much more in my opinion than working on marketing for a faceless company or in advertisement so that people buy more shit they don’t need. And that’s without counting the huge amount of people whose job actually harm humanity.
ya thats fine, im not saying otherwise and BW really is a great game, its true that i didn't need to be overly negative towards a new player.. even if there's stuff i disagree with i coulda just ignored it
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On April 06 2026 16:29 tankgirl wrote:dear Mr. Tondan, everything you said in your post is correct and valid feelings to have. many people in the world share your feelings. in fact, there is a community called teamliquid for such people in english-speaking world, where fans and appreciators can get together and talk about it. welcome! ive personally been playing and watching for 20 years =) yes, the top players are superhumans haha what race have you been playing? =)) Show nested quote +On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it 0/10. surprising from a 10k tl poster. making paper airplanes is a hobby. knitting is a hobby. the OP is referring to licensced professional players making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, previously on network television, and now on popular streaming platforms. thats not a hobby. trust me i looked up "hobby" in my dictionary and i dont think you understand the meaning of this word. so the only thing "pretty meaningless" here is your post. on a more personal note, the op is new to the game and the forums and came to express his appreciation for the game. what the heck is wrong with you? why would you come into here and expend your energy and time just to "yuck his yum"? why would you "yuck" anyone's "yum"? did you get bullied in hs or something? and are you sure you came to the right place? maybe teamliquid isnt for you? heres a better forum for you, everythingsucksandiammiserableandyoushouldbetoforums dot com / rainonyourparadecauseimbored dot html. or better yet if youre so concerned about adding real meaningful value to the world get on the next rocketship into the sun, cause you're crappy attitude isnt making the world (or tl) a better place.
For context, I am not new. Ive been around since the days of Garimto and Xds Grrrr. But as the saying goes, the more you more know the more you realize how little you know. And that's where I'm at.
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On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it
Doctors exist on a spectrum of competence. Bad doctors do net harm to the world. Just have to acknowledge the hundreds of thousands of deaths for opioids and painkiller prescriptions to see my point there.
Fun is a critical component to a healthy life. It's not something that gets prescribed by doctors, but that doesn't mean it's not valuable. Feeling a sense of awe at the incredible amount of skill required to play this game is a great experience, and one that I value highly. I think there are a lot of intangible benefits there.
TT1... you're one of the best foreign protoss players still in the scene - and I think you vastly underestimate the impact you have indirectly on the quality of life of everyone who syncs into this community to get their entertainment needs met. Without mid-level players wanting to improve, the base wouldn't exist to foster the abilities of the very top pros, who provide a useful service to me, at the very least. I've seen you spending effort helping those mid-level players. Hobbies matter, and you matter - and doctors aren't gods.
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Being a progamer is both a) harder and b) less meaningful than most jobs in health care.
Playing bw at a high level is really difficult. Real mastery takes a 5 digit number of hours worth of practice - and some talent in addition. Certain specialist positions might be even more demanding - but a good 98+% of jobs, even in health care, are less challenging. That's irrelevant when answering which provides more value to society, though.
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It reminds me of Einstein, who wrote in 1936 that it was such a waste that his friend Emmanuel Lasker dedicated his immense intellect and his whole life to something as useless and futile as chess.
Yet I have to say, I think the world is a richer place with the exquisite games Lasker played in it.
I am certain that your greatest contibution, that you are the proudest of, is your work as a teacher and an educator, Drone, but I remember seeing you play against Sea, and the game brought me enough joy that I remember it almost twenty years later. Say, you told him about the cold country you came from, and he went for a weird build with fast science vessel.
So cheers to great players!
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OP was sharing something specific to a game and you have TT1 going on a random tangent about healthcare, wtf man.
Anyway to OP’s point this is something unique to BW that no other game can come close to replicating imo.
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On April 07 2026 05:40 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It reminds me of Einstein, who wrote in 1936 that it was such a waste that his friend Emmanuel Lasker dedicated his immense intellect and his whole life to something as useless and futile as chess.
Yet I have to say, I think the world is a richer place with the exquisite games Lasker played in it.
I am certain that your greatest contibution, that you are the proudest of, is your work as a teacher and an educator, Drone, but I remember seeing you play against Sea, and the game brought me enough joy that I remember it almost twenty years later. Say, you told him about the cold country you came from, and he went for a weird build with fast science vessel.
So cheers to great players!
Tbh, I'm definitely doing more good with my life as a teacher and an educator. I think I'm a very good teacher - my students appreciate me, I appreciate them, and this feels like a perfect career path for me. I also think - honestly - that few people have the natural combination of personal attributes that constitute being a great teacher, and while a lot of it can be taught or learned through experience, there's an element of 'talent' or 'natural affinity' or something to that effect here, too. This can be extended to most professions.
But replicating what I did in brood war (and I did not play at a professional level, merely 'near the top outside korea') would, for most people, be more 'out of reach' than replicating what I do as a teacher. I mean, I can to some degree quantify what % of players I was better than, while I cannot in any way quantify what % of teachers I am better than, but I definitely think that brood war is more demanding. This precise aspect is why I've been grateful that I chose brood war as the game I dedicated myself to, because honestly, virtually nothing I do in real life is experienced as stressful after having been a competitive brood war player, and when I actually experience something as stressful, it tends to be because of some factor outside my own control (for example - I'm late for a meeting because of traffic).
That game vs Sea though, that's a peak clown moment from my perspective; I literally thought 'I'm gonna win with style' rather than 'I'm gonna win' and lost as a consequence thereof.
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It is impressive how fast this conversation derailed to whatever an individual wanted to talk about.
The internet is such an interesting place. Yes, I don't really understand that TT1 went on that tangent, but F it, he can post about whatever he wants.
Personally I like Feather pens. And I miss broodwar, but I got older and started to value other things over gaming, like cooking a nice meal for my friends and/or family.
(and i still watch dumb shit on youtube, so I am still wasting time). So if TT1 wants to talk about doctors, let him, we can talk about flash also.
I had my shinning time in broodwar and I am happy about it happening.
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On April 07 2026 18:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2026 05:40 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It reminds me of Einstein, who wrote in 1936 that it was such a waste that his friend Emmanuel Lasker dedicated his immense intellect and his whole life to something as useless and futile as chess.
Yet I have to say, I think the world is a richer place with the exquisite games Lasker played in it.
I am certain that your greatest contibution, that you are the proudest of, is your work as a teacher and an educator, Drone, but I remember seeing you play against Sea, and the game brought me enough joy that I remember it almost twenty years later. Say, you told him about the cold country you came from, and he went for a weird build with fast science vessel.
So cheers to great players! Tbh, I'm definitely doing more good with my life as a teacher and an educator. I think I'm a very good teacher - my students appreciate me, I appreciate them, and this feels like a perfect career path for me. I also think - honestly - that few people have the natural combination of personal attributes that constitute being a great teacher, and while a lot of it can be taught or learned through experience, there's an element of 'talent' or 'natural affinity' or something to that effect here, too. This can be extended to most professions. But replicating what I did in brood war (and I did not play at a professional level, merely 'near the top outside korea') would, for most people, be more 'out of reach' than replicating what I do as a teacher. I mean, I can to some degree quantify what % of players I was better than, while I cannot in any way quantify what % of teachers I am better than, but I definitely think that brood war is more demanding. This precise aspect is why I've been grateful that I chose brood war as the game I dedicated myself to, because honestly, virtually nothing I do in real life is experienced as stressful after having been a competitive brood war player, and when I actually experience something as stressful, it tends to be because of some factor outside my own control (for example - I'm late for a meeting because of traffic). That game vs Sea though, that's a peak clown moment from my perspective; I literally thought 'I'm gonna win with style' rather than 'I'm gonna win' and lost as a consequence thereof.
Ah, thanks for the post. Well but the great thing is that you didn’t have to balance between teaching and playing at high level as you ended up doing both, and it seems your gaming experience made you a stronger person and potentially prepared you to be a great teacher.
At the end when we tackle very difficult things, we learn and improve a lot as human beings, and bring those experiences in our daily lives. Thinking hobbies in utilitarian terms is not a very interesting perspective imo.
Yeah, you went for some weird lurker strat didn’t you? I don’t know why that game remained stuck in my brain. It was a lot of fun.
Well, I’m skiing in Sjusjoen right now, so i guess I’ll go back out-norwegianning you.
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On April 06 2026 14:43 .father wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it Flash never got me addicted to prescription painkillers
If I was terran I woulda lost all my savings in Flashcoin, Nexus scheme, Suit scam etc.. and prolly taken my life as a result..
We value a lot of things in society that are completely physically and mentally harmful to us but also provide some comfort or ego boost etc..
We can look at it the other way too. If gamers didnt game maybe we would all be mass murderers... ^_._^
TT1 wrong about progamers only pushing themselves for ASL.. theres KCM and other tourneys, plus if u are that competitive losing a game is like losing a tiny bit of ur finger. I think at worst its maybe 10% less than absolute best form. If they are just putting on a show we would see new faces come up and different people win.. We have domination eras instead as its always been.
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being the best in the world in anything is superhuman and it's not meaningless or just a hobby. for me, basketball is a hobby, i am playing it for 32 years and of course i see pro players (before and now) as superhumans. because they are.
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On April 08 2026 23:37 Zergiica wrote:
being the best in the world in anything is superhuman and it's not meaningless or just a hobby. for me, basketball is a hobby, i am playing it for 32 years and of course i see pro players (before and now) as superhumans. because they are.
One can argue physical sport is beneficial to society - better health - less stress on the healthcare system - better life for all...
I agree on the pro aspect. I would destroy any of those guys at couch potato.. They dont stand a chance.
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On April 06 2026 05:58 TonDan04 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it I'm not glorifying progamers, and I think some in health care are superhuman, but I'm not exaggerating to say that winning an ASL is probably harder mentally then working in healthcare.
No one's life is in danger because you don't win ASL. You make a mistake, you just lose a game and a tournament, but life goes on. You make a mistake in healthcare and someone dies. Please stop talking out of your ass. Thanks.
Not to discredit the point though of pros being superhuman. Being the best of the best at literally anything is superhuman already. It takes being naturally born with gifts (either physically or mentally) and in conjunction with obscene amounts of hard work (unless your name is John Daly in golf) to reach the pinnacle of any sport/esport/hobby/whatever.
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Thing is your brain really reacts like you are in a life and death situation when you are performing on stage. The real implications are not the same of course, but the mental strength it takes can be similar or sometimes superior.
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We truly went to compare BW players to doctors. And i imagine we are talking about surgeons and shit. Not just a local doctor that give you some painkills and u move on with your life lol.
I guess for some people entertainment can also save lives. BW fit into that category. Video games in general can fit into that category and give people hope and help people with socializing to do it via videogames. I have seen studies from it.
But respectfully It is such an strange comparison :D
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On April 09 2026 02:19 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
We truly went to compare BW players to doctors. And i imagine we are talking about surgeons and shit. Not just a local doctor that give you some painkills and u move on with your life lol.
I guess for some people entertainment can also save lives. BW fit into that category. Video games in general can fit into that category and give people hope and help people with socializing to do it via videogames. I have seen studies from it.
But respectfully It is such an strange comparison :D
https://tl.net/blogs/561817-10-years-ago-starcraft-ii-saved-my-life
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On April 09 2026 01:43 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2026 05:58 TonDan04 wrote:On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it I'm not glorifying progamers, and I think some in health care are superhuman, but I'm not exaggerating to say that winning an ASL is probably harder mentally then working in healthcare. No one's life is in danger because you don't win ASL. You make a mistake, you just lose a game and a tournament, but life goes on. You make a mistake in healthcare and someone dies. Please stop talking out of your ass. Thanks. Not to discredit the point though of pros being superhuman. Being the best of the best at literally anything is superhuman already. It takes being naturally born with gifts (either physically or mentally) and in conjunction with obscene amounts of hard work (unless your name is John Daly in golf) to reach the pinnacle of any sport/esport/hobby/whatever.
Nothing you said argues against my point, instead you kind of just 'put words in my mouth' as the saying goes. I'm not a doctor or anything related to health care but I'm pretty sure if I had the inclination I could work in medicine. Healthcare is also a really broad term. A nurse is not a surgeon, an eye doctor is unlikely going to kill her patient. I'm also of the belief that a progamer can more easily become a doctor, in terms of mental faculty, then is a doctor to be Flash.
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On April 09 2026 05:11 TonDan04 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 01:43 FlaShFTW wrote:On April 06 2026 05:58 TonDan04 wrote:On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it I'm not glorifying progamers, and I think some in health care are superhuman, but I'm not exaggerating to say that winning an ASL is probably harder mentally then working in healthcare. No one's life is in danger because you don't win ASL. You make a mistake, you just lose a game and a tournament, but life goes on. You make a mistake in healthcare and someone dies. Please stop talking out of your ass. Thanks. Not to discredit the point though of pros being superhuman. Being the best of the best at literally anything is superhuman already. It takes being naturally born with gifts (either physically or mentally) and in conjunction with obscene amounts of hard work (unless your name is John Daly in golf) to reach the pinnacle of any sport/esport/hobby/whatever. Nothing you said argues against my point, instead you kind of just 'put words in my mouth' as the saying goes. I'm not a doctor or anything related to health care but I'm pretty sure if I had the inclination I could work in medicine. Healthcare is also a really broad term. A nurse is not a surgeon, an eye doctor is unlikely going to kill her patient. I'm also of the belief that a progamer can more easily become a doctor, in terms of mental faculty, then is a doctor to be Flash.
You're the one who made the broad claim. I'm simply telling you that there's a lot of medicine and healthcare that exists to literally save people's lives, especially in the ER.
Idk man, feels like we're putting down healthcare workers to raise up.... pro gamers of all people?
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On April 09 2026 06:08 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 05:11 TonDan04 wrote:On April 09 2026 01:43 FlaShFTW wrote:On April 06 2026 05:58 TonDan04 wrote:On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it I'm not glorifying progamers, and I think some in health care are superhuman, but I'm not exaggerating to say that winning an ASL is probably harder mentally then working in healthcare. No one's life is in danger because you don't win ASL. You make a mistake, you just lose a game and a tournament, but life goes on. You make a mistake in healthcare and someone dies. Please stop talking out of your ass. Thanks. Not to discredit the point though of pros being superhuman. Being the best of the best at literally anything is superhuman already. It takes being naturally born with gifts (either physically or mentally) and in conjunction with obscene amounts of hard work (unless your name is John Daly in golf) to reach the pinnacle of any sport/esport/hobby/whatever. Nothing you said argues against my point, instead you kind of just 'put words in my mouth' as the saying goes. I'm not a doctor or anything related to health care but I'm pretty sure if I had the inclination I could work in medicine. Healthcare is also a really broad term. A nurse is not a surgeon, an eye doctor is unlikely going to kill her patient. I'm also of the belief that a progamer can more easily become a doctor, in terms of mental faculty, then is a doctor to be Flash. You're the one who made the broad claim. I'm simply telling you that there's a lot of medicine and healthcare that exists to literally save people's lives, especially in the ER. Idk man, feels like we're putting down healthcare workers to raise up.... pro gamers of all people?
Quote me on where I said otherwise?
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Why are societal value and skill even being conflated here lol
Between applying a tourniquet and mutalisk micro, it's pretty obvious which takes a higher degree of relative skill, but it's also pretty obvious which provides more value to society. How hard it is to do one thing is what makes something "superhuman", and how much good it provides is something different altogether.
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my general view is a bit negative but my point is people like to glorify the activity theyre doing so they feel like they're not wasting their time/feel good about what they're doing, but imo the thing that's plagued BW has always been ppl talking about the game.. there isn't enough walking
i've seen ppl talk about how great the game is for like 10 years yet the scene is pretty dead outside korea and in korea it's stagnant (1 of the reasons why top players can coast on practice, due to the lack of up n coming players which makes competing easier)
but ya BW is obv a great game, easily 1 of the best if not the best, hopefully people start playing/being involved more and we get new players/viewers/sponsors etc.. if u love the game then i hope people get involved more and contribute however they can, be it by watching/playing/streaming/getting friends to try it out or other ways (there's many many ways to contribute)
its more of a realism vs being a dreamer argument, but anyways i understand where ppl are coming from as well when i post this way, it doesn't create a good environment for others to come in.. but tbf these are things i've been thinking about for years without mentioning it publicly :D
i dunno i just find it hard to be a non kor player playing this game and finding ways to stay positive (but i've still always tried to contribute to the game in my own way), there's not even a good place to q up quickly and find lag free games
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On April 06 2026 05:10 TT1 wrote:
u say that but ur doc Katja Kitzler keeps telling me that u come in every week to do knee reflex tests?
I haven’t been to a doctor In twenty years … lol. Thanks professional broodwar players for healing me every asl !
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On April 09 2026 08:36 TT1 wrote:
my general view is a bit negative but my point is people like to glorify the activity theyre doing so they feel like they're not wasting their time/feel good about what they're doing, but imo the thing that's plagued BW has always been ppl talking about the game.. there isn't enough walking
i've seen ppl talk about how great the game is for like 10 years yet the scene is pretty dead outside korea and in korea it's stagnant (1 of the reasons why top players can coast on practice, due to the lack of up n coming players which makes competing easier)
but ya BW is obv a great game, easily 1 of the best if not the best, hopefully people start playing/being involved more and we get new players/viewers/sponsors etc.. if u love the game then i hope people get involved more and contribute however they can, be it by watching/playing/streaming/getting friends to try it out or other ways (there's many many ways to contribute)
its more of a realism vs being a dreamer argument, but anyways i understand where ppl are coming from as well when i post this way, it doesn't create a good environment for others to come in.. but tbf these are things i've been thinking about for years without mentioning it publicly :D
i dunno i just find it hard to be a non kor player playing this game and finding ways to stay positive (but i've still always tried to contribute to the game in my own way), there's not even a good place to q up quickly and find lag free games
Honestly man you’re just being a bitter old man. Some people just want to watch amazing players play the game they loved. I’ve played so much , I know I’ll never be able to reach the decent level I once was. There is nothing wrong with watching people who have mastered the game and understanding how hard it it to reach that level. You wouldn’t tell a 40 year old telling you how good an nba player is that he is all talk would you ? Your take is ridiculous. People like to glorify their hobby because they appreciate how truly hard the game is to master. This hasn’t “plagued” brood war. In fact it’s one of the things that has kept it going. You are an outlier. We want to watch the best of the best. Which is Koreans of course. That doesn’t mean we don’t have any right to want to do that or we aren’t “walking” enough. Hope you can find your games, but let fans be fans. We aren’t wasting our time just like any fan watching what they enjoy isn’t wasting theirs. Have a nice night
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Life is pointless and entropy is unavoidable, the universe is filled with callous and casual destrucion. Nobody will remember most of us here in 100 years. Life has the meaning only you give it. this discussion is a joke.
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Life is pointless and entropy is unavoidable, the universe is filled with callous and casual destrucion. Nobody will remember most of us here in 100 years. Life has the meaning only you give it.
agree
BW is a nice game though. And we should be happy for the scene as there is right now to exist.
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why did some fucking moron divert the course of this discussion into something useless when it was just somebody showing enthusiasm
On April 09 2026 08:36 TT1 wrote:
its more of a realism vs being a dreamer argument, but anyways i understand where ppl are coming from as well when i post this way, it doesn't create a good environment for others to come in.. but tbf these are things i've been thinking about for years without mentioning it publicly :D
So that's all you got after years of thinking lmao fucking dogshit if that's all you have
just keep your thoughts to yourself if that's all you have you aint special and contribute to nothing. actual dogshit since you wanted real talk
On April 09 2026 06:38 seRapH wrote:
Why are societal value and skill even being conflated here lol
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Cause some dogshit individual who wants to garner attention.
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buddy are u ok? can't even talk with these ppl
i already said i was sorry for my 1st post, i agree it was too negative for someone who's coming back and was just trying to be enthusiastic
but look at it from the perspective of someone who's been wanting to play this game for 10 years and doesn't have a place to play, there's a disconnect between his reality and what playing BW really feels like
so yes i should have let him stay in fantasy land for the 1-2 months he was gonna play BW and let the shitty status quo keep going for everyone else without saying anything, like how u guys would like it
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On April 09 2026 06:08 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 05:11 TonDan04 wrote:On April 09 2026 01:43 FlaShFTW wrote:On April 06 2026 05:58 TonDan04 wrote:On April 06 2026 04:50 TT1 wrote:
being a doctor/providing real value to humanity is being a superhuman, being good at a video game that ppl consider "hard" is just glorifying a hobby, pretty meaningless imo
ya playing BW and watching BW is fun, but that's about it I'm not glorifying progamers, and I think some in health care are superhuman, but I'm not exaggerating to say that winning an ASL is probably harder mentally then working in healthcare. No one's life is in danger because you don't win ASL. You make a mistake, you just lose a game and a tournament, but life goes on. You make a mistake in healthcare and someone dies. Please stop talking out of your ass. Thanks. Not to discredit the point though of pros being superhuman. Being the best of the best at literally anything is superhuman already. It takes being naturally born with gifts (either physically or mentally) and in conjunction with obscene amounts of hard work (unless your name is John Daly in golf) to reach the pinnacle of any sport/esport/hobby/whatever. Nothing you said argues against my point, instead you kind of just 'put words in my mouth' as the saying goes. I'm not a doctor or anything related to health care but I'm pretty sure if I had the inclination I could work in medicine. Healthcare is also a really broad term. A nurse is not a surgeon, an eye doctor is unlikely going to kill her patient. I'm also of the belief that a progamer can more easily become a doctor, in terms of mental faculty, then is a doctor to be Flash. You're the one who made the broad claim. I'm simply telling you that there's a lot of medicine and healthcare that exists to literally save people's lives, especially in the ER. Idk man, feels like we're putting down healthcare workers to raise up.... pro gamers of all people?
You're from the US. Surely you comprehend some of the issues implicit in our healthcare system?
One thing I really like about Broodwar rank is it's strictly a meritocratic hierarchy. Not so in medicine. Doctors need to take a test to graduate medical school, but people who aren't willing to spend 4 years in medical school and go hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt aren't allowed to take the same test, even just to see how much they know.
I've had great doctors save my life, and I've had doctors who are just overpaid flowcharts fail to do anything for me besides collect my insurance money and talk down at me like I'm incapable of pointing to my own kidneys.
"Wow you're a doctor. You must be a great person" is a naive attitude. Medicine is a guild of highly paid pharmaceutical gatekeepers. Is the gatekeeping a necessary element in a well-organized society? Arguably. But shouldn't they be allowed to unionize and pressure hospitals to make concessions to protect their patients? Nurses can unionize, and doctors are legally barred from doing so. It's an issue with the rules of the game - and the players are necessarily complicit in that game. But they make $300+k per year, so whatever the suits say, I guess...
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OP, to get back to your post, how many games did you do in a day on average and total for the week out of curiosity?
Also did you like stick with one build per MU for a day, several daya, a couple hours, yolo-ed every game?
Thx~
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On April 06 2026 19:41 TT1 wrote:
just a bit more detail, in order to have "real" competition u also need to have the right environment (and incentives) to foster it naturally, any pro sport/competition (at the highest level) is complete dedication, ppl in BW just practice when ASL comes up and then just do w/e they want until the next 1
many don't even take practicing for ASL seriously and still do well for example, in a real competitive setting this type of stuff would get weeded out really fast
Niccolino Loche went 117-4-14 while smoking and not training much, and won a world title and defended it a bunch of times. Why would he train if he can win without training?
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On April 06 2026 02:40 TonDan04 wrote:
hours and hours of playing, just broodwar.
And I'm convinced that it takes a superhuman to play at the highest levels. What ever accolades guys like Flash, Jaedong, Soulkey etc. get is not even enough to describe the mental power that it takes to play as they do.
My games are sloppy as heck, units everywhere, i get supply blocked, i'm too lazy to build defense, I don't scout. Those are just general descriptions of my game play, but Flash and Jaedong is so precise in everything they do it's unfathomable. That is not even an exaggeration.
A week of playing and my appreciation for the skill level of these guys are renewed. I've really taken them for granted. Now I see that it takes an enormous amount of energy to play this way.
I kinda feel the same way when playing. When I watch games, and/or imagine playing, I often feel like I could pull off this or that. Then I actually get to playing, and I'm so bad that I still don't fully grasp how awful I am. I remember there was an STPL match where I played so poorly that people genuinely consider whether it was a broken replay or not, lol xD
On April 07 2026 05:40 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I am certain that your greatest contibution, that you are the proudest of, is your work as a teacher and an educator, Drone, but I remember seeing you play against Sea, and the game brought me enough joy that I remember it almost twenty years later.
Link/Context? Sounds like it could be a fun watch!
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