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On July 19 2025 12:13 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2025 08:41 Balnazza wrote:On July 18 2025 07:42 CHEONSOYUN wrote:there’s no issue with their patreon or tournament series as long as no one is under illusions about who it is for: it’s for the casters living in korea, not the players. tasteless and artosis already have $11,000/per month doing ASL which is essentially just a dub-over the ASL broadcast and ASL only runs half of the year. https://x.com/CallMeTasteless/status/1226094758860226560tasteless and artosis are notoriously two of the most expensive casters, even after changing their tune about which game they prefer between SC1 and SC2 when GSL started declining heavily and they were no longer in studio. don’t think it’s a surprise that people have doubts about how the money is being allocated. if the patreon was SC2-english casts no one would be batting an eye at the moment While I can understand your point, just three inputs on this: 1)You can't really control how much your Patreon makes. And this is specifically ASLEnglish...considering some of the BW-fans on here, I could see how they would be very angry if some of this money would be relocated for SC2. 2)If I recall correctly, Ziggy is also in on the mix, doing all the translations for the interviews etc. So you are splitting your money in three here per months and I assume Patreon also takes a certain cut. "11k per month" sounds great, but it is at best somewhere in the vicinity of 3.6k per person. Still good money, but you also have to consider that this is not a guaranteed salary 3)ASL only running for half a year is not really an issue here. For one, you can just cancel your subscription for those months if you feel like it. Plus it ensures that they can commit to it. If your job would only pay you half the year and expects you to finance yourself for the other half through some other means...you might want to switch to a different job that pays you for the entire year Just wow dude lol. UHHHH, ACTUALLY GUYSsss it's ACTUALLY only 3.6k per person for doing nothing, get your facts straight. And you can unsub if you want to dude no one's forcing you to pay them maaaaaaaaan, except more Tasteless shamwow salesman vibes of “we can't do this without you” and “please guys just sign up for a year”. Only said 4 times every broadcast. Those Harry's products don't buy themselves, my loyal fans. I swear to god my dudes and dudesses you can even hear the shame in Artosis' voice as he weakly goes along with drawing more money out of people for doing something he would happily do for free. And that guy loves money enough to be abused by $3 donos all day. Even this is a bar too fucking low lolll. Bro, McDonald's isn't making you eat their food bro, it's only cheap, easy and advertised everywhere. Get woke bro. Buy 9 dollar organic celery that tastes like shit bro. Free market maaaaannnn, we can do whatever we want maaaaaaaaan. Cancel your subscription at any time unless you forget maaaaaaaan, then you keep paying me maaaaaaaaaan. God balnazzaaa and Admiral Yang.. No idea why anyone would respond to Admiral Yang, no offense my dude. Devil's advocate account made yesterday, doesn't google obvious things, doesn't use the quote feature, writes like a hotdog. Banned.
Are you perhaps short of a marble?
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New season starts in month in a half from now , with another 24 day (!!!) "mega action".
So basicly before starting tasteless casually gets around 20000$ from his patreon in idle time, to NOT change prizepool at all, same 7000$ remains.
Just needs time to get started man...
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It is great to see a community that is very committed to ethics. This is a relief. I also am, as a patron, curious about how they divide the donations.
What is not so great is for some reason, very well-known figures in our niche game keep feeding fire to the RSL drama where Tasteless haven't answered for these concerns yet.
I wonder if the same community will stop watching a tournament funded by one of the most disgusting regimes in human history, or worse, will some members of our community stop casting or competing in that same tournament?
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On July 22 2025 15:40 Optimus Prime2 wrote:RSL Revival/Season 2 New season starts in month in a half from now , with another 24 day (!!!) "mega action". So basicly before starting tasteless casually gets around 20000$ from his patreon in idle time, to NOT change prizepool at all, same 7000$ remains. Just needs time to get started man...
Can you please just do some basic math like how many people work on this and how much is left for each of them if you divide the money? I can't believe you couldn't figure that out. Whats your real agenda? You have a personal gripe with tasteless?
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On July 22 2025 21:25 nimbim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2025 15:40 Optimus Prime2 wrote:RSL Revival/Season 2 New season starts in month in a half from now , with another 24 day (!!!) "mega action". So basicly before starting tasteless casually gets around 20000$ from his patreon in idle time, to NOT change prizepool at all, same 7000$ remains. Just needs time to get started man... Can you please just do some basic math like how many people work on this and how much is left for each of them if you divide the money? I can't believe you couldn't figure that out. Whats your real agenda? You have a personal gripe with tasteless?
that work has no impact on quality of the stream, on quality of video source , on players experience too, on what his "team" and studio etc etc etc does impact? what does it change ? literally nothing. only what it has behind is another reason to ask for patreon money without transparency on where those are been spent.
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On July 23 2025 04:55 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2025 21:25 nimbim wrote:On July 22 2025 15:40 Optimus Prime2 wrote:RSL Revival/Season 2 New season starts in month in a half from now , with another 24 day (!!!) "mega action". So basicly before starting tasteless casually gets around 20000$ from his patreon in idle time, to NOT change prizepool at all, same 7000$ remains. Just needs time to get started man... Can you please just do some basic math like how many people work on this and how much is left for each of them if you divide the money? I can't believe you couldn't figure that out. Whats your real agenda? You have a personal gripe with tasteless? that work has no impact on quality of the stream, on quality of video source , on players experience too, on what his "team" and studio etc etc etc does impact? what does it change ? literally nothing. only what it has behind is another reason to ask for patreon money without transparency on where those are been spent.
RSL: We will do a studio enviroment.
People: Okay, we give money for the studio enviroment.
RSL: Spends money on a studio enviroment.
You: BUT WHAT DO THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY FOR????
You might not notice this, but people don't stop existing and studios don't just vanish just because they are not currently in use. That stuff is a permanent cost, people need to be on payroll permanently aswell.
If people think a studio is unnecessary, then they shouldn't have paid for the Patreon...but that is an entirely different conversation. Your problem seems to be of a different nature though. Personal beef? Complete lack of understanding how the world works? Who knows, maybe shine some investigative light on that? Just bring more proof than last time.
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On July 23 2025 05:56 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2025 04:55 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 22 2025 21:25 nimbim wrote:On July 22 2025 15:40 Optimus Prime2 wrote:RSL Revival/Season 2 New season starts in month in a half from now , with another 24 day (!!!) "mega action". So basicly before starting tasteless casually gets around 20000$ from his patreon in idle time, to NOT change prizepool at all, same 7000$ remains. Just needs time to get started man... Can you please just do some basic math like how many people work on this and how much is left for each of them if you divide the money? I can't believe you couldn't figure that out. Whats your real agenda? You have a personal gripe with tasteless? that work has no impact on quality of the stream, on quality of video source , on players experience too, on what his "team" and studio etc etc etc does impact? what does it change ? literally nothing. only what it has behind is another reason to ask for patreon money without transparency on where those are been spent. RSL: We will do a studio enviroment. People: Okay, we give money for the studio enviroment. RSL: Spends money on a studio enviroment. You: BUT WHAT DO THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY FOR???? You might not notice this, but people don't stop existing and studios don't just vanish just because they are not currently in use. That stuff is a permanent cost, people need to be on payroll permanently aswell. If people think a studio is unnecessary, then they shouldn't have paid for the Patreon...but that is an entirely different conversation. Your problem seems to be of a different nature though. Personal beef? Complete lack of understanding how the world works? Who knows, maybe shine some investigative light on that? Just bring more proof than last time.
they do pay not for studio, they pay for pathetic dream of reviving GSL in "RSL" , paying for big revival promises in reviving sc2. FFS xd
If that cup would be just another "Tasteless summer open" that patreon would gather 2k at its best.
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Are there any explanations that aren't rectally sourced? It's reasonable to say the studio and staff cost a lot (even in the offseason, though?). It's reasonable to say that they haven't had sustained donations over many months/years. It's reasonable to say that they had a lot of upfront costs. It's unreasonable to think that Tasteless et al. are torching their careers for, at most, five figures USD. The frustrating thing is that none of these congeal into a coherent picture, because we have such little information from the organizers themselves.
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On July 23 2025 07:04 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2025 05:56 Balnazza wrote:On July 23 2025 04:55 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 22 2025 21:25 nimbim wrote:On July 22 2025 15:40 Optimus Prime2 wrote:RSL Revival/Season 2 New season starts in month in a half from now , with another 24 day (!!!) "mega action". So basicly before starting tasteless casually gets around 20000$ from his patreon in idle time, to NOT change prizepool at all, same 7000$ remains. Just needs time to get started man... Can you please just do some basic math like how many people work on this and how much is left for each of them if you divide the money? I can't believe you couldn't figure that out. Whats your real agenda? You have a personal gripe with tasteless? that work has no impact on quality of the stream, on quality of video source , on players experience too, on what his "team" and studio etc etc etc does impact? what does it change ? literally nothing. only what it has behind is another reason to ask for patreon money without transparency on where those are been spent. RSL: We will do a studio enviroment. People: Okay, we give money for the studio enviroment. RSL: Spends money on a studio enviroment. You: BUT WHAT DO THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY FOR???? You might not notice this, but people don't stop existing and studios don't just vanish just because they are not currently in use. That stuff is a permanent cost, people need to be on payroll permanently aswell. If people think a studio is unnecessary, then they shouldn't have paid for the Patreon...but that is an entirely different conversation. Your problem seems to be of a different nature though. Personal beef? Complete lack of understanding how the world works? Who knows, maybe shine some investigative light on that? Just bring more proof than last time. they do pay not for studio, they pay for pathetic dream of reviving GSL in "RSL" , paying for big revival promises in reviving sc2. FFS xd If that cup would be just another "Tasteless summer open" that patreon would gather 2k at its best.
And you have still not made a single solid point why that is a bad thing. You claimed fraud, yet the only thing you proved is that people pay for something you don't like. That's...staggeringly unhelpful.
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On July 23 2025 09:42 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2025 07:04 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 23 2025 05:56 Balnazza wrote:On July 23 2025 04:55 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 22 2025 21:25 nimbim wrote:On July 22 2025 15:40 Optimus Prime2 wrote:RSL Revival/Season 2 New season starts in month in a half from now , with another 24 day (!!!) "mega action". So basicly before starting tasteless casually gets around 20000$ from his patreon in idle time, to NOT change prizepool at all, same 7000$ remains. Just needs time to get started man... Can you please just do some basic math like how many people work on this and how much is left for each of them if you divide the money? I can't believe you couldn't figure that out. Whats your real agenda? You have a personal gripe with tasteless? that work has no impact on quality of the stream, on quality of video source , on players experience too, on what his "team" and studio etc etc etc does impact? what does it change ? literally nothing. only what it has behind is another reason to ask for patreon money without transparency on where those are been spent. RSL: We will do a studio enviroment. People: Okay, we give money for the studio enviroment. RSL: Spends money on a studio enviroment. You: BUT WHAT DO THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY FOR???? You might not notice this, but people don't stop existing and studios don't just vanish just because they are not currently in use. That stuff is a permanent cost, people need to be on payroll permanently aswell. If people think a studio is unnecessary, then they shouldn't have paid for the Patreon...but that is an entirely different conversation. Your problem seems to be of a different nature though. Personal beef? Complete lack of understanding how the world works? Who knows, maybe shine some investigative light on that? Just bring more proof than last time. they do pay not for studio, they pay for pathetic dream of reviving GSL in "RSL" , paying for big revival promises in reviving sc2. FFS xd If that cup would be just another "Tasteless summer open" that patreon would gather 2k at its best. And you have still not made a single solid point why that is a bad thing. You claimed fraud, yet the only thing you proved is that people pay for something you don't like. That's...staggeringly unhelpful.
Proved? You know stuff called "matchfix" in sc2? So theres extreme count of super suspicious games/plays, but nobody ever can ban matchfixing player, because only way is to have his payment transactions exposed, like jim did with firefly.
And this case is extremely rare, when someone with "inside type" of info can expose someone. Here's same case , nobody can expose Tasteless other than himself, or his environment , but for sure his not a dick like firefly , to get exposed in any way.
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can i just interrupt for one second? are you still talking about− rsl prizepool? we have so much going on.. ewc, clem playing protoss and you wanna talk about rsl prize pool? unbelievable. that just seems like a desecration.
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On July 23 2025 20:00 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2025 09:42 Balnazza wrote:On July 23 2025 07:04 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 23 2025 05:56 Balnazza wrote:On July 23 2025 04:55 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 22 2025 21:25 nimbim wrote:On July 22 2025 15:40 Optimus Prime2 wrote:RSL Revival/Season 2 New season starts in month in a half from now , with another 24 day (!!!) "mega action". So basicly before starting tasteless casually gets around 20000$ from his patreon in idle time, to NOT change prizepool at all, same 7000$ remains. Just needs time to get started man... Can you please just do some basic math like how many people work on this and how much is left for each of them if you divide the money? I can't believe you couldn't figure that out. Whats your real agenda? You have a personal gripe with tasteless? that work has no impact on quality of the stream, on quality of video source , on players experience too, on what his "team" and studio etc etc etc does impact? what does it change ? literally nothing. only what it has behind is another reason to ask for patreon money without transparency on where those are been spent. RSL: We will do a studio enviroment. People: Okay, we give money for the studio enviroment. RSL: Spends money on a studio enviroment. You: BUT WHAT DO THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY FOR???? You might not notice this, but people don't stop existing and studios don't just vanish just because they are not currently in use. That stuff is a permanent cost, people need to be on payroll permanently aswell. If people think a studio is unnecessary, then they shouldn't have paid for the Patreon...but that is an entirely different conversation. Your problem seems to be of a different nature though. Personal beef? Complete lack of understanding how the world works? Who knows, maybe shine some investigative light on that? Just bring more proof than last time. they do pay not for studio, they pay for pathetic dream of reviving GSL in "RSL" , paying for big revival promises in reviving sc2. FFS xd If that cup would be just another "Tasteless summer open" that patreon would gather 2k at its best. And you have still not made a single solid point why that is a bad thing. You claimed fraud, yet the only thing you proved is that people pay for something you don't like. That's...staggeringly unhelpful. Proved? You know stuff called "matchfix" in sc2? So theres extreme count of super suspicious games/plays, but nobody ever can ban matchfixing player, because only way is to have his payment transactions exposed, like jim did with firefly. And this case is extremely rare, when someone with "inside type" of info can expose someone. Here's same case , nobody can expose Tasteless other than himself, or his environment , but for sure his not a dick like firefly , to get exposed in any way.
Expose him for doing what?
1. Tasteless and the RSL crew make a Patreon, they get money.
2. So far, they are delivering the product and benchmarks they said they would.
Your posting in this thread is increasingly unhinged, and you just completely ignore any points anyone else makes so you can basically just repeat your OP.
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i'm planning to start a patreon to make optimus prime fuck off. still unsure about hiring a studio to do it though. feel free to join.
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On July 23 2025 22:15 angryground wrote:
i'm planning to start a patreon to make optimus prime fuck off. still unsure about hiring a studio to do it though. feel free to join.
Unfortunately we need him to stick around in case the Decepticons show up
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On July 23 2025 22:06 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2025 20:00 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 23 2025 09:42 Balnazza wrote:On July 23 2025 07:04 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 23 2025 05:56 Balnazza wrote:On July 23 2025 04:55 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 22 2025 21:25 nimbim wrote:On July 22 2025 15:40 Optimus Prime2 wrote:RSL Revival/Season 2 New season starts in month in a half from now , with another 24 day (!!!) "mega action". So basicly before starting tasteless casually gets around 20000$ from his patreon in idle time, to NOT change prizepool at all, same 7000$ remains. Just needs time to get started man... Can you please just do some basic math like how many people work on this and how much is left for each of them if you divide the money? I can't believe you couldn't figure that out. Whats your real agenda? You have a personal gripe with tasteless? that work has no impact on quality of the stream, on quality of video source , on players experience too, on what his "team" and studio etc etc etc does impact? what does it change ? literally nothing. only what it has behind is another reason to ask for patreon money without transparency on where those are been spent. RSL: We will do a studio enviroment. People: Okay, we give money for the studio enviroment. RSL: Spends money on a studio enviroment. You: BUT WHAT DO THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY FOR???? You might not notice this, but people don't stop existing and studios don't just vanish just because they are not currently in use. That stuff is a permanent cost, people need to be on payroll permanently aswell. If people think a studio is unnecessary, then they shouldn't have paid for the Patreon...but that is an entirely different conversation. Your problem seems to be of a different nature though. Personal beef? Complete lack of understanding how the world works? Who knows, maybe shine some investigative light on that? Just bring more proof than last time. they do pay not for studio, they pay for pathetic dream of reviving GSL in "RSL" , paying for big revival promises in reviving sc2. FFS xd If that cup would be just another "Tasteless summer open" that patreon would gather 2k at its best. And you have still not made a single solid point why that is a bad thing. You claimed fraud, yet the only thing you proved is that people pay for something you don't like. That's...staggeringly unhelpful. Proved? You know stuff called "matchfix" in sc2? So theres extreme count of super suspicious games/plays, but nobody ever can ban matchfixing player, because only way is to have his payment transactions exposed, like jim did with firefly. And this case is extremely rare, when someone with "inside type" of info can expose someone. Here's same case , nobody can expose Tasteless other than himself, or his environment , but for sure his not a dick like firefly , to get exposed in any way. Expose him for doing what? 1. Tasteless and the RSL crew make a Patreon, they get money. 2. So far, they are delivering the product and benchmarks they said they would. Your posting in this thread is increasingly unhinged, and you just completely ignore any points anyone else makes so you can basically just repeat your OP.
I think there is no point in arguing with people like the OP. Dude has not presented evidence, has ultra vague claims, and is very aggressive and insistent on his views despite not having the concrete receipts needed to prove that he is correct.
Don't get me wrong, I do believe accountability and transparency are needed when it comes to what Tasteless and co do with the patreon money. That I agree with. However, OP throwing wild claims without showing ABSOLUTE PROOF and just crapping on people who call him out for arguing in bad faith will only make him look like a loon at best, and a fool at worst.
Ball is at OP's court, show some actual proof. Show the receipts. Not just throw bs claims without any basis.
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On July 23 2025 22:42 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote:
Ball is at OP's court, show some actual proof. Show the receipts. Not just throw bs claims without any basis.
Sure i can't and nobody other than Tastless himself can. Thats why transparency is must have thing here. If Tasteless is doing things right, he have no problem to show how he spreads this money.
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On July 24 2025 04:28 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2025 22:42 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote:
Ball is at OP's court, show some actual proof. Show the receipts. Not just throw bs claims without any basis. Sure i can't and nobody other than Tastless himself can. Thats why transparency is must have thing here. If Tasteless is doing things right, he have no problem to show how he spreads this money.
So you sit there with your dick in your hand and have squat...which is already rounded up. Just to repeat myself: "Staggeringly unhelpful"
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On July 24 2025 04:55 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2025 04:28 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 23 2025 22:42 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote:
Ball is at OP's court, show some actual proof. Show the receipts. Not just throw bs claims without any basis. Sure i can't and nobody other than Tastless himself can. Thats why transparency is must have thing here. If Tasteless is doing things right, he have no problem to show how he spreads this money. So you sit there with your dick in your hand and have squat...which is already rounded up. Just to repeat myself: "Staggeringly unhelpful"
what you say here is useless fanboy advocating, with no facts yourself on tasteless's transparencys , you jumping around and yelling abouts proofs.
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On July 24 2025 16:02 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2025 04:55 Balnazza wrote:On July 24 2025 04:28 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 23 2025 22:42 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote:
Ball is at OP's court, show some actual proof. Show the receipts. Not just throw bs claims without any basis. Sure i can't and nobody other than Tastless himself can. Thats why transparency is must have thing here. If Tasteless is doing things right, he have no problem to show how he spreads this money. So you sit there with your dick in your hand and have squat...which is already rounded up. Just to repeat myself: "Staggeringly unhelpful" what you say here is useless fanboy advocating, with no facts yourself on tasteless's transparencys , you jumping around and yelling abouts proofs.
The onus is on the accuser to bring proof.
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On July 24 2025 16:04 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2025 16:02 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 24 2025 04:55 Balnazza wrote:On July 24 2025 04:28 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 23 2025 22:42 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote:
Ball is at OP's court, show some actual proof. Show the receipts. Not just throw bs claims without any basis. Sure i can't and nobody other than Tastless himself can. Thats why transparency is must have thing here. If Tasteless is doing things right, he have no problem to show how he spreads this money. So you sit there with your dick in your hand and have squat...which is already rounded up. Just to repeat myself: "Staggeringly unhelpful" what you say here is useless fanboy advocating, with no facts yourself on tasteless's transparencys , you jumping around and yelling abouts proofs. The onus is on the accuser to bring proof.
I tend to agree with this.
But this is mostly healthy behavior, to bring things to the attention of the community.
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