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On July 18 2025 07:42 CHEONSOYUN wrote:there’s no issue with their patreon or tournament series as long as no one is under illusions about who it is for: it’s for the casters living in korea, not the players. tasteless and artosis already have $11,000/per month doing ASL which is essentially just a dub-over the ASL broadcast and ASL only runs half of the year. https://x.com/CallMeTasteless/status/1226094758860226560tasteless and artosis are notoriously two of the most expensive casters, even after changing their tune about which game they prefer between SC1 and SC2 when GSL started declining heavily and they were no longer in studio. don’t think it’s a surprise that people have doubts about how the money is being allocated. if the patreon was SC2-english casts no one would be batting an eye at the moment
While I can understand your point, just three inputs on this:
1)You can't really control how much your Patreon makes. And this is specifically ASLEnglish...considering some of the BW-fans on here, I could see how they would be very angry if some of this money would be relocated for SC2.
2)If I recall correctly, Ziggy is also in on the mix, doing all the translations for the interviews etc. So you are splitting your money in three here per months and I assume Patreon also takes a certain cut. "11k per month" sounds great, but it is at best somewhere in the vicinity of 3.6k per person. Still good money, but you also have to consider that this is not a guaranteed salary
3)ASL only running for half a year is not really an issue here. For one, you can just cancel your subscription for those months if you feel like it. Plus it ensures that they can commit to it. If your job would only pay you half the year and expects you to finance yourself for the other half through some other means...you might want to switch to a different job that pays you for the entire year
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Northern Ireland25928 Posts
I’ll also add that State, Gemini, that British bloke who I never encountered before and whose name I forget (but enjoyed his casting!), plus Reynor as a guest all casted.
It was rotated quite a bit. If it’s some money-spinner, why hire additional talent to split that more?
Given how much Tastosis get for delayed ASL casts, if they wanted to maximise returns from this endeavour they could also easily just committed to a bedroom cast setup and probably have pulled in a much better profit margin.
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[quote][QUOTE]On July 18 2025 07:11 Admiral Yang wrote:
Fair. I painted unreasonably broad strokes there and recognize that you weren't party to the currency insinuations. Regarding the studio/home discussion, I would very much be interested in what a tournament like that would look like.[/quote]
If you are referring to home studio setups - PiG, Wardi and others are operating exactly in that mode for many years now.
As ZG pointed out, it is part of our "scene" in SC2 from the beginning and I feel it as potential to live on for a long time.
What I really miss is Proleague with teams in Studio Setup I can root for...but that for example is really difficult to impossible to pull off nowadays...
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On July 18 2025 07:11 Admiral Yang wrote:
At present, 36,000$ has been raised. Roughly 7,000$ has been redistrubted as prize money. The remaining 29,000$ has presumably paid salaries for casters and organizers on top of rented studios, scouted a new studio, and paid for production, on top of creating a buffer for season 2. Given what I understand to be the general costs of media production nowadays, that really doesn't seem like a controversial number.
Just to keep us on track - the prize pool was only $7,000 because of a sponsor which doubled the prize pool. You could probably cover the prize pool RSL put in directly from the revenue they made from ads/streeaming in general, so pretty much 100% of patreon should be going into production/other costs.
I'm not going to play the guessing game, but the reason people are not happy is because what is not being put into the production & prize pool is a controversial number compared to what it is - which is a community funded tournament. The product they have put out is not equivelant to the money they are spending. The tournament was great, but it was not $30,000 greater than other tournaments of similar/larger prize pools.
SC2 is in a weird place, it's understandable players and community members are concerned about how communtiy funded money is being used. Personal opinion, if they scrapped the studio and all these other costs and put together a big prize money league, they could dominate the SC2 tournament scene with an awesome tournament series that all players take seriously and want to be a part of and it would be infinitely better for their goal of "saving StarCraft 2" than what is currently being done.
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"Personal opinion, if they scrapped the studio and all these other costs and put together a big prize money league, they could dominate the SC2 tournament scene with an awesome tournament series that all players take seriously and want to be a part of and it would be infinitely better for their goal of "saving StarCraft 2" than what is currently being done."
Like I said, to me, that is in no way a zero-sum game. If you or anyone else with clout and credibility wants to do this, feel free to scam me all the same.
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On July 18 2025 17:24 Admiral Yang wrote:
"Personal opinion, if they scrapped the studio and all these other costs and put together a big prize money league, they could dominate the SC2 tournament scene with an awesome tournament series that all players take seriously and want to be a part of and it would be infinitely better for their goal of "saving StarCraft 2" than what is currently being done."
Like I said, to me, that is in no way a zero-sum game. If you or anyone else with clout and credibility wants to do this, feel free to scam me all the same.
Pardon me for butting in but I think there is a potential dilemma with what you are proposing. It's a circular logic type thing, or a chicken and egg type thing, something like that. Here is my admittedly cynical POV:
1. In order to have a big tournament with big prize money, one needs to galvanize the masses.
2. The masses will not be galvanized if you or I, literal nobodies in SC2, hosted said tournament. We wouldn't get the funding. We'd have to work for free to get a sliver of the support from the community at large, not just the egalitarian faithful like you.
3. Because nobodies can't do this on this level, the established personalities are in a more powerful, exclusive position. Even if we assume that you or I are capable of producing a tournament with the same quality games, organization, etc. - which is a pretty big assumption given that top players probably wouldn't join the Jealous Yang StarLeague because again, we are nobodies - we wouldn't be able to raise the same capital, whereas they can. Look at the OP of this thread; I wouldn't expect him to negotiate himself into a free open air concert at the local rec center with no security, much less an advertising deal or a venue slot. The majority of the SC2 audience isn't as hampered, but they sure are equally powerless and for the most part unmotivated to do anything like this on their own. And who can blame them? Reality is a tough wall to scale.
4. Because the personalities are performing a task that seemingly only they - with decades of experience and clout - can do, they expect to be compensated for their labor, much like they had been during the golden years.
5. As such, they will require overhead fees that rival or even dwarf the prize pool.
6. And there isn't really a way for anyone new to break into the scene without either upfront capital of their own or without putting in dozens of hours of unpaid work.
So, im summary: in order to run an event of this magnitude you need to be a well-known figure, and this game is 10 years too old for new well-known figures to emerge, meaning that everyone else has the binary option of "support" or "don't support," there is no realistic third option of "fuck that Imma do it my way."
While certain individuals are clearly fixated on the absolute dollars and cents, I think what other people may be lamenting (without even realizing it) is that besides the dollar figure going into organizers' pockets, the fact remains that there isn't really an alternative to this approach. It's not as easy as "just host your own tournament bro." As someone who has done just that, with far less funding, zero profit, countless uncompensated hours spent, I know what that's like (though I wouldn't go back and undo any of it, tbf). Side note, related to my previous post: if I could've been paid several thousand dollars for it, I absolutely would have taken that money, too.
That's the dilemma, the fault in your logic, IMO: realistically, only they (and others rivaling their position) can do it, and they will only do it for money up front in their pockets. And that makes some people mad because many people will feel some type of way when confronting their own helplessness in a situation. RSL/Tasteless can just wait a week or two and all of this will die down. They don't have to address any of it.
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"Just host your own tournament, bro" (to the extent that I said that) was directed at the people who do have that namebrand-recognition you're talking about.
Others will have to put in the work and the money upfront if they want to get there. That's life.
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startup costs are gonna take a big bite out of the funding. I expect the prize pool to be increased next season of course
I am also fine with Tasteless taking a decent salary because he's an entertaining caster and I want him to continue doing sc2
On July 18 2025 17:06 WardiTV wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2025 07:11 Admiral Yang wrote:
At present, 36,000$ has been raised. Roughly 7,000$ has been redistrubted as prize money. The remaining 29,000$ has presumably paid salaries for casters and organizers on top of rented studios, scouted a new studio, and paid for production, on top of creating a buffer for season 2. Given what I understand to be the general costs of media production nowadays, that really doesn't seem like a controversial number. I'm not going to play the guessing game, but the reason people are not happy is because what is not being put into the production & prize pool is a controversial number compared to what it is - which is a community funded tournament. The product they have put out is not equivelant to the money they are spending. The tournament was great, but it was not $30,000 greater than other tournaments of similar/larger prize pools. SC2 is in a weird place, it's understandable players and community members are concerned about how communtiy funded money is being used. Personal opinion, if they scrapped the studio and all these other costs and put together a big prize money league, they could dominate the SC2 tournament scene with an awesome tournament series that all players take seriously and want to be a part of and it would be infinitely better for their goal of "saving StarCraft 2" than what is currently being done.
the product that Tasteless has created does not have an equivalent (except for GSL). no other tournament organizer is trying to grow Korean sc2 in Korea
"just scrap the studio" - why? so that RSL can become another WardiTV? that's not the level of ambition that gets me excited about the future of sc2.
the whole point of RSL is to bring back the good ol' days of sc2. here's what the good ol' days look like:
![[image loading]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/k2tKZBFBskw/maxresdefault.jpg)
two dudes behind a desk casting sc2, players in booths, a big screen behind them, and a live audience. the whole point of RSL is to bring at least some of that back. step 1: live cast in a dedicated studio in Korea. step 2: an offline final in Seoul where fans can show up and watch. these are the goal that TastelessTV set out at launch, so I don't understand why anyone would be surprised when a large chunk of funding is put towards that goal.
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On July 18 2025 18:34 SHODAN wrote:
"just scrap the studio" - why? so that RSL can become another WardiTV? that's not the level of ambition that gets me excited about the future of sc2.
If you put $11k/month into a tournament series it’s going to be a lot better than anything I can run and a lot more prestigious.
It was just my opinion as to what you could do to actually help SC2. An ambitious tournament series does a lot more good for the scene than a studio which allows two people to sit next to each other (which could be achieved in many cheaper ways).
At the end of the day everyone wants different things / thinks different things are important - which is why these discussions are healthy to have because it helps show what people in the community value.
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"An ambitious tournament series does a lot more good for the scene than a studio which allows two people to sit next to each other (which could be achieved in many cheaper ways)."
Are these things necessarily mutually exclusive?
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One point i'm not sure if was discussed much before, is that if they want to come off as serious and attract sponsors, they will need that professional level production - including a dedicated studio and physically casting together
(ASL style casting with a green screen is enough for online tournament + fans, but won't look professional enough)
I do hope that they achieve the goal of having an offline finals, and perhaps expand into having a ~4 studio days with a Ro24 or Ro16 where KR players can come play, and perhaps invite KR casters and everything too.
Ofc though this path is a bit muddied since GSL didn't die as many expected, and who knows if they'll continue next year too. If GSL continues it could hamper RSL's momentum a bit, but on the optimistic side it also means RSL will have had more time to position itself to take over for GSL if GSL does officially end someday.
I'm also curious if the studio they got is only big enough for the casters, or if there's room or room to expand to have a small viewing area with 2 setups for players to play live.
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On July 18 2025 17:06 WardiTV wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2025 07:11 Admiral Yang wrote:
At present, 36,000$ has been raised. Roughly 7,000$ has been redistrubted as prize money. The remaining 29,000$ has presumably paid salaries for casters and organizers on top of rented studios, scouted a new studio, and paid for production, on top of creating a buffer for season 2. Given what I understand to be the general costs of media production nowadays, that really doesn't seem like a controversial number. Just to keep us on track - the prize pool was only $7,000 because of a sponsor which doubled the prize pool. You could probably cover the prize pool RSL put in directly from the revenue they made from ads/streeaming in general, so pretty much 100% of patreon should be going into production/other costs. I'm not going to play the guessing game, but the reason people are not happy is because what is not being put into the production & prize pool is a controversial number compared to what it is - which is a community funded tournament. The product they have put out is not equivelant to the money they are spending. The tournament was great, but it was not $30,000 greater than other tournaments of similar/larger prize pools. SC2 is in a weird place, it's understandable players and community members are concerned about how communtiy funded money is being used. Personal opinion, if they scrapped the studio and all these other costs and put together a big prize money league, they could dominate the SC2 tournament scene with an awesome tournament series that all players take seriously and want to be a part of and it would be infinitely better for their goal of "saving StarCraft 2" than what is currently being done.
that is what i said: yes. exactly. if you asked me "do you want this online tournament to be casted from a studio, or casted from home and the players get an extra $80,000 a year in prizepool", i would have said prizepool. I think studio is only really necessary if you are going to play offline. i dont see the point otherwise. It looks more professional sure, i guess, but how much of a difference does that really make when other online tournaments like pigsty get the same viewership. I would have liked to see it all online then if you reach whatever crowdfunding benchmark to play matches offline THEN you get the studio and production team etc.
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Bisutopia19290 Posts
I just want to add I think it's pretty great what they are doing and I think it makes sense to fund the organizers well. It's so much effort and they have to make a living out of doing this too. Players can earn money in every tournament they play in, but the producers only earn on the tournaments they produce. They deserve to have a considerable income to make what the produce worthwhile for the community and for them personally.
I do like some of the ideas and feedback in this thread though, and maybe those ideas can help shape future versions of RSL and as always let's remember to stay positive and supportive as we discuss here.
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To me, the situation is pretty clear. Even if the OP wasn’t perfect, the question of where exactly the RSL donations are going is completely legitimate.
Obviously, only the RSL team itself can really answer that. As far as I know, they haven’t done so yet. Given that some time has passed and there have been chances to respond, that speaks volumes in my opinion.
Sure, Admiral Yang might see things differently – with his 7 posts on TL, all of which appear in this thread starting from page 6. But maybe, just maybe, if the Admiral digs really deep, he could give us some actual answers instead of just throwing around accusations and empty lines that sound more like a bruised ego talking.
Edit: Even though this does not represent my opinion, i really appreciate this post. Thanks 
On July 18 2025 23:18 BisuDagger wrote:
I just want to add I think it's pretty great what they are doing and I think it makes sense to fund the organizers well. It's so much effort and they have to make a living out of doing this too. Players can earn money in every tournament they play in, but the producers only earn on the tournaments they produce. They deserve to have a considerable income to make what the produce worthwhile for the community and for them personally.
I do like some of the ideas and feedback in this thread though, and maybe those ideas can help shape future versions of RSL and as always let's remember to stay positive and supportive as we discuss here.
2nd edit: regarding quoted post: I totally agree with your statement: it makes sense to fund the organisers well and I am also greatful for another awesome SC2 event. But because RSL is a crowdfunded event, I think it's only fair to share at least roughly how the money is being spent. Especially when parts of such a small community like SC2 clearly have an interest in knowing. So far, we really only know: prize pool... and not prize pool, right?
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"But maybe, just maybe, if the Admiral digs really deep, he could give us some actual answers "
Ask away
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On July 18 2025 23:18 BisuDagger wrote:
I just want to add I think it's pretty great what they are doing and I think it makes sense to fund the organizers well. It's so much effort and they have to make a living out of doing this too. Players can earn money in every tournament they play in, but the producers only earn on the tournaments they produce. They deserve to have a considerable income to make what the produce worthwhile for the community and for them personally.
I do like some of the ideas and feedback in this thread though, and maybe those ideas can help shape future versions of RSL and as always let's remember to stay positive and supportive as we discuss here.
While that is true, players need a worthwile income too to stay active and "pro".
And Orgs are not gonna pay player salaries forever. Sooner or later players will only be able to stay pro if they win some considerable amount of price money and do some streaming.
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On July 18 2025 08:41 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2025 07:42 CHEONSOYUN wrote:there’s no issue with their patreon or tournament series as long as no one is under illusions about who it is for: it’s for the casters living in korea, not the players. tasteless and artosis already have $11,000/per month doing ASL which is essentially just a dub-over the ASL broadcast and ASL only runs half of the year. https://x.com/CallMeTasteless/status/1226094758860226560tasteless and artosis are notoriously two of the most expensive casters, even after changing their tune about which game they prefer between SC1 and SC2 when GSL started declining heavily and they were no longer in studio. don’t think it’s a surprise that people have doubts about how the money is being allocated. if the patreon was SC2-english casts no one would be batting an eye at the moment While I can understand your point, just three inputs on this: 1)You can't really control how much your Patreon makes. And this is specifically ASLEnglish...considering some of the BW-fans on here, I could see how they would be very angry if some of this money would be relocated for SC2. 2)If I recall correctly, Ziggy is also in on the mix, doing all the translations for the interviews etc. So you are splitting your money in three here per months and I assume Patreon also takes a certain cut. "11k per month" sounds great, but it is at best somewhere in the vicinity of 3.6k per person. Still good money, but you also have to consider that this is not a guaranteed salary 3)ASL only running for half a year is not really an issue here. For one, you can just cancel your subscription for those months if you feel like it. Plus it ensures that they can commit to it. If your job would only pay you half the year and expects you to finance yourself for the other half through some other means...you might want to switch to a different job that pays you for the entire year
Just wow dude lol.
UHHHH, ACTUALLY GUYSsss it's ACTUALLY only 3.6k per person for doing nothing, get your facts straight. And you can unsub if you want to dude no one's forcing you to pay them maaaaaaaaan, except more Tasteless shamwow salesman vibes of “we can't do this without you” and “please guys just sign up for a year”. Only said 4 times every broadcast. Those Harry's products don't buy themselves, my loyal fans.
I swear to god my dudes and dudesses you can even hear the shame in Artosis' voice as he weakly goes along with drawing more money out of people for doing something he would happily do for free. And that guy loves money enough to be abused by $3 donos all day. Even this is a bar too fucking low lolll.
Bro, McDonald's isn't making you eat their food bro, it's only cheap, easy and advertised everywhere. Get woke bro. Buy 9 dollar organic celery that tastes like shit bro. Free market maaaaannnn, we can do whatever we want maaaaaaaaan. Cancel your subscription at any time unless you forget maaaaaaaan, then you keep paying me maaaaaaaaaan.
God balnazzaaa and Admiral Yang..
No idea why anyone would respond to Admiral Yang, no offense my dude. Devil's advocate account made yesterday, doesn't google obvious things, doesn't use the quote feature, writes like a hotdog. Banned.
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On July 19 2025 12:13 RogerChillingworth wrote:
UHHHH, ACTUALLY GUYSsss it's ACTUALLY only 3.6k per person for doing nothing, get your facts straight.
Interesting thing is, i HEAVILY doubt Tasteless rates hes co-casters as much as himself, and shares 33% for each, i would say he has most money there.Obviously he has more weight in this structure, wouldnt live without him, so could be 5-7k for himself only.
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On July 19 2025 12:13 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2025 08:41 Balnazza wrote:On July 18 2025 07:42 CHEONSOYUN wrote:there’s no issue with their patreon or tournament series as long as no one is under illusions about who it is for: it’s for the casters living in korea, not the players. tasteless and artosis already have $11,000/per month doing ASL which is essentially just a dub-over the ASL broadcast and ASL only runs half of the year. https://x.com/CallMeTasteless/status/1226094758860226560tasteless and artosis are notoriously two of the most expensive casters, even after changing their tune about which game they prefer between SC1 and SC2 when GSL started declining heavily and they were no longer in studio. don’t think it’s a surprise that people have doubts about how the money is being allocated. if the patreon was SC2-english casts no one would be batting an eye at the moment While I can understand your point, just three inputs on this: 1)You can't really control how much your Patreon makes. And this is specifically ASLEnglish...considering some of the BW-fans on here, I could see how they would be very angry if some of this money would be relocated for SC2. 2)If I recall correctly, Ziggy is also in on the mix, doing all the translations for the interviews etc. So you are splitting your money in three here per months and I assume Patreon also takes a certain cut. "11k per month" sounds great, but it is at best somewhere in the vicinity of 3.6k per person. Still good money, but you also have to consider that this is not a guaranteed salary 3)ASL only running for half a year is not really an issue here. For one, you can just cancel your subscription for those months if you feel like it. Plus it ensures that they can commit to it. If your job would only pay you half the year and expects you to finance yourself for the other half through some other means...you might want to switch to a different job that pays you for the entire year Just wow dude lol. UHHHH, ACTUALLY GUYSsss it's ACTUALLY only 3.6k per person for doing nothing, get your facts straight. And you can unsub if you want to dude no one's forcing you to pay them maaaaaaaaan, except more Tasteless shamwow salesman vibes of “we can't do this without you” and “please guys just sign up for a year”. Only said 4 times every broadcast. Those Harry's products don't buy themselves, my loyal fans. I swear to god my dudes and dudesses you can even hear the shame in Artosis' voice as he weakly goes along with drawing more money out of people for doing something he would happily do for free. And that guy loves money enough to be abused by $3 donos all day. Even this is a bar too fucking low lolll. Bro, McDonald's isn't making you eat their food bro, it's only cheap, easy and advertised everywhere. Get woke bro. Buy 9 dollar organic celery that tastes like shit bro. Free market maaaaannnn, we can do whatever we want maaaaaaaaan. Cancel your subscription at any time unless you forget maaaaaaaan, then you keep paying me maaaaaaaaaan. God balnazzaaa and Admiral Yang.. No idea why anyone would respond to Admiral Yang, no offense my dude. Devil's advocate account made yesterday, doesn't google obvious things, doesn't use the quote feature, writes like a hotdog. Banned.
10/10 d00d. I laughed.
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