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On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
GGing is just a silly formality. Supposedly, you have to gg if you lost a game that you honestly felt was a terrible game, which is just not right; you should not be forced to say an opinion you don't believe.
I also think it's really weird that you can leave the game immediately after sending the GG. To me, saying GG is like extending a hand for a handshake, not just an admittance of a loss. I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it.
Haha, agreed. The "gray out" idea would be fun, but it just gives people more opportunity to BM while you have to pointlessly sit there. There are times I say "GG" and it's immediately followed by opponent saying "You suck you noob" etc etc 
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Mexico2170 Posts
On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
GGing is just a silly formality. Supposedly, you have to gg if you lost a game that you honestly felt was a terrible game, which is just not right; you should not be forced to say an opinion you don't believe.
I also think it's really weird that you can leave the game immediately after sending the GG. To me, saying GG is like extending a hand for a handshake, not just an admittance of a loss. I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it.
Player 1: GG!
*Nine seconds later*
Player 2: EZ!
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Russian Federation195 Posts
it's always been a Starcraft staple and there is no need to come up with random conditions for it 20 years later
Actually, I don't think it's always been that. It's Korean TV matches made 'gg' something that has to be written at the end of each match, I think. I can't remember people writing 'gg' in every game on Battle.net in 2000. Rather than that, by that time I felt that 'gg' had a scent of giggling at your opponent.
It could differ between different part of the communities, I guess, but what I mean is that you have to make sure you did play StarCraft online 20 years ago before saying that there has been something for 20 years. If you really did, well.
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When I used to ladder a lot, I glhf'd every game and GGed almost every game. Sometimes I didn't GG exceptionally rude players, and some rare occasions where I would be really mad at myself for letting a big lead turn into a loss. I try to be nice but the salt can really affect me sometimes =(
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On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it.
If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit.
If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D
Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D
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On October 05 2020 09:18 psyCrowe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it. If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit. If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D
Traditionally, before digital competition became a thing, you (the loser) would say "good game" at the same time that you extend a hand for a handshake, then your opponent (the winner) would repeat the same action. Saying "gg" doesn't mean anything these days, except "ok you win," which is pointless. Sometimes, the sender doesn't even believe it was a "good game." (EDIT: This tradition has logic to it, since walking away from the table without saying anything or offering a handshake would be terribly awkward for the person still sitting. In the case of a video game, the same situation doesn't exists.) Most of the time when my opponent leaves the game without gging, it means nothing to me, and it shouldn't mean anything to you either. Some people get salty, because they interpret a no-gg as bm. Whatever. That's their problem. Let them deal with it.
I just think that for the people who do think GGing has value, the way to increase the value is to turn into a formal digital handshake, hence the 5-10 sec grayed out 'quit' suggestion. You spent 5-20 minutes playing hard at a game, I'm pretty sure you can wait a moment for your opponent to shake your hand, especially since you felt it was worth offering your hand to begin with. As for the trolling potential, whatever—It happens. Get thicker skin. If it annoys you that much, then just don't ever gg. If it's not a tournament game, no one should care about how you or your opponent views a random ladder game.
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On October 05 2020 10:12 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2020 09:18 psyCrowe wrote:On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it. If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit. If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D Traditionally, before digital competition became a thing, you (the loser) would say "good game" at the same time that you extend a hand for a handshake, then your opponent (the winner) would repeat the same action. Saying "gg" doesn't mean anything these days, except "ok you win," which is pointless. Sometimes, the sender doesn't even believe it was a "good game." (EDIT: This tradition has logic to it, since walking away from the table without saying anything or offering a handshake would be terribly awkward for the person still sitting. In the case of a video game, the same situation doesn't exists.) Most of the time when my opponent leaves the game without gging, it means nothing to me, and it shouldn't mean anything to you either. Some people get salty, because they interpret a no-gg as bm. Whatever. That's their problem. Let them deal with it. I just think that for the people who do think GGing has value, the way to increase the value is to turn into a formal digital handshake, hence the 5-10 sec grayed out 'quit' suggestion. You spent 5-20 minutes playing hard at a game, I'm pretty sure you can wait a moment for your opponent to shake your hand, especially since you felt it was worth offering your hand to begin with. As for the trolling potential, whatever—It happens. Get thicker skin. If it triggers you that much, then just don't ever gg. If it's not a tournament game, no one should care about how you or your opponent views a random ladder game.
> Has an incredibly niche, minority belief that entails changing the established, decades-long practice of manner in games (saying "gg") by demanding a rule that would hold a person's time hostage pending their issuance of a response that amounts to satisfying a pathetic need for coddling in this context.
> "if it triggers you get thicker skin bro"
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On October 05 2020 10:32 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2020 10:12 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 05 2020 09:18 psyCrowe wrote:On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it. If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit. If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D Traditionally, before digital competition became a thing, you (the loser) would say "good game" at the same time that you extend a hand for a handshake, then your opponent (the winner) would repeat the same action. Saying "gg" doesn't mean anything these days, except "ok you win," which is pointless. Sometimes, the sender doesn't even believe it was a "good game." (EDIT: This tradition has logic to it, since walking away from the table without saying anything or offering a handshake would be terribly awkward for the person still sitting. In the case of a video game, the same situation doesn't exists.) Most of the time when my opponent leaves the game without gging, it means nothing to me, and it shouldn't mean anything to you either. Some people get salty, because they interpret a no-gg as bm. Whatever. That's their problem. Let them deal with it. I just think that for the people who do think GGing has value, the way to increase the value is to turn into a formal digital handshake, hence the 5-10 sec grayed out 'quit' suggestion. You spent 5-20 minutes playing hard at a game, I'm pretty sure you can wait a moment for your opponent to shake your hand, especially since you felt it was worth offering your hand to begin with. As for the trolling potential, whatever—It happens. Get thicker skin. If it triggers you that much, then just don't ever gg. If it's not a tournament game, no one should care about how you or your opponent views a random ladder game. > Has an incredibly niche, minority belief that entails changing the established, decades-long practice of manner in games (saying "gg") by demanding a rule that would hold a person's time hostage pending their issuance of a response that amounts to satisfying a pathetic need for coddling in this context. > "if it triggers you get thicker skin bro"
<Makes a suggestion. Even uses the word "suggestion."
>Internet memer twists "suggestion" into "demanding." Also works for cnn.
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I rarely GG on ladder. Tournaments are a different story but on ladder, who really cares? It's not like I'm raging or anything, it's just never been high priority.
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On October 05 2020 10:12 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2020 09:18 psyCrowe wrote:On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it. If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit. If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D Traditionally, before digital competition became a thing, you (the loser) would say "good game" at the same time that you extend a hand for a handshake, then your opponent (the winner) would repeat the same action. Saying "gg" doesn't mean anything these days, except "ok you win," which is pointless. Sometimes, the sender doesn't even believe it was a "good game." (EDIT: This tradition has logic to it, since walking away from the table without saying anything or offering a handshake would be terribly awkward for the person still sitting. In the case of a video game, the same situation doesn't exists.) Most of the time when my opponent leaves the game without gging, it means nothing to me, and it shouldn't mean anything to you either. Some people get salty, because they interpret a no-gg as bm. Whatever. That's their problem. Let them deal with it. I just think that for the people who do think GGing has value, the way to increase the value is to turn into a formal digital handshake, hence the 5-10 sec grayed out 'quit' suggestion. You spent 5-20 minutes playing hard at a game, I'm pretty sure you can wait a moment for your opponent to shake your hand, especially since you felt it was worth offering your hand to begin with. As for the trolling potential, whatever—It happens. Get thicker skin. If it annoys you that much, then just don't ever gg. If it's not a tournament game, no one should care about how you or your opponent views a random ladder game.
Good points. Well thought out. The guy (or girl) behind the keyboard scenario needs to lose its luster.
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On October 05 2020 10:12 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2020 09:18 psyCrowe wrote:On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it. If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit. If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D Traditionally, before digital competition became a thing, you (the loser) would say "good game" at the same time that you extend a hand for a handshake, then your opponent (the winner) would repeat the same action. Saying "gg" doesn't mean anything these days, except "ok you win," which is pointless. Sometimes, the sender doesn't even believe it was a "good game." (EDIT: This tradition has logic to it, since walking away from the table without saying anything or offering a handshake would be terribly awkward for the person still sitting. In the case of a video game, the same situation doesn't exists.) Most of the time when my opponent leaves the game without gging, it means nothing to me, and it shouldn't mean anything to you either. Some people get salty, because they interpret a no-gg as bm. Whatever. That's their problem. Let them deal with it. I just think that for the people who do think GGing has value, the way to increase the value is to turn into a formal digital handshake, hence the 5-10 sec grayed out 'quit' suggestion. You spent 5-20 minutes playing hard at a game, I'm pretty sure you can wait a moment for your opponent to shake your hand, especially since you felt it was worth offering your hand to begin with. As for the trolling potential, whatever—It happens. Get thicker skin. If it annoys you that much, then just don't ever gg. If it's not a tournament game, no one should care about how you or your opponent views a random ladder game.
Gg is exactly that, a digital handshake. You don't have to actually think it was a good game to say good game. If someone extends their hand to you and say good game, then the polite thing to do is to shake hands and respond with good game. If you don't then you come off as a sore loser and it's just kind of awkward. That's why I don't really see not gg'ing as BM, it's just kind of awkward. I thought we were having fun playing a game, but apparently my opponent takes winning so seriously that he can't muster the courage to say gg. My perspective changes a bit, if we never had a dialogue in the game with glhf, since then maybe he just wanna concentrate and I'm just a tool for him to practice his game. And no, people don't actually have a problem with ppl not gg'ing, it shows more about the mentality of the no-gg'er imo. I think Bnet and Twitch Chat would be a nicer place, if more ppl showed politeness, obviously. So more gg, more good times.
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10k+ games played, never GG'd anyone. The ladder is a cesspool.
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On November 08 2020 12:27 MinesMakeWidows wrote:
10k+ games played, never GG'd anyone. The ladder is a cesspool.
"See I never just did things just to do them. C'mon, what am I gonna do, just all of the sudden just jump up, and grind my feet on somebody's couch? Like it's something to do? C'mon I got a little more sense than that...
Yea, I remember drying my feet on Eddie's couch."
PS Wonder whose alt you are ^-^
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Ppl really make a big deal out of GG. Its really not important. If you are not saying anything in chat at all, you are still being respectful.
I dont even notice 90% of the times if my opponents GG or not.
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On November 08 2020 13:52 Snakestyle11 wrote:
Ppl really make a big deal out of GG. Its really not important. If you are not saying anything in chat at all, you are still being respectful.
I dont even notice 90% of the times if my opponents GG or not.
Thanks for straightening this out for us, being that you are the authority on the matter.
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On November 08 2020 12:42 Jealous wrote:
"See I never just did things just to do them. C'mon, what am I gonna do, just all of the sudden just jump up, and grind my feet on somebody's couch? Like it's something to do? C'mon I got a little more sense than that...
Yea, I remember drying my feet on Eddie's couch."
PS Wonder whose alt you are ^-^
Why would I be someones alt? I'm in diamond. . . Do you have any idea the kinds of builds that people do in diamond? I just proxy 2 raxed a zerg, he cancelled the hatch built 3 spines and went 1 base mutalisk while making queens none stop. I bypassed the spines with a drop and you know what I found out??
Apparently 4 queens can stop 8 marines+4 hellions + medivac + tank, while just yoloing mutas into my main base / natural. I have never seen anything like it in my life. Some guy with a 20 IQ build weasels out a win. He decided to go 1 base muta when he saw nothing but marines, I happenend to be transitioning into mech after the proxy did its job.
1 base mutalisk in SC2 in 2020. It was the worst possible thing to do and it worked because I couldn't imagine anyone at this mmr being so god damn stupid to do something like that. But people like you will think someone that bad deserves a GG. Right, 1 Base mutalisk is the new meta.
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On November 08 2020 14:49 MinesMakeWidows wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 12:42 Jealous wrote:
"See I never just did things just to do them. C'mon, what am I gonna do, just all of the sudden just jump up, and grind my feet on somebody's couch? Like it's something to do? C'mon I got a little more sense than that...
Yea, I remember drying my feet on Eddie's couch."
PS Wonder whose alt you are ^-^ Why would I be someones alt? I'm in diamond. . . Do you have any idea the kinds of builds that people do in diamond? I just proxy 2 raxed a zerg, he cancelled the hatch built 3 spines and went 1 base mutalisk while making queens none stop. I bypassed the spines with a drop and you know what I found out?? Apparently 4 queens can stop 8 marines+4 hellions + medivac + tank, while just yoloing mutas into my main base / natural. I have never seen anything like it in my life. Some guy with a 20 IQ build weasels out a win. He decided to go 1 base muta when he saw nothing but marines, I happenend to be transitioning into mech after the proxy did its job. 1 base mutalisk in SC2 in 2020. It was the worst possible thing to do and it worked because I couldn't imagine anyone at this mmr being so god damn stupid to do something like that. But people like you will think someone that bad deserves a GG. Right, 1 Base mutalisk is the new meta.
Scouting exist you know that? Its your fault on why you lost to some random strats like that.
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I have a barcode account because I cheese and all-in all my games and I don’t like people to be able to blind counter me.
Imho that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t get any ggs :’(
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On November 08 2020 16:40 SamirDuran wrote:
Scouting exist you know that? Its your fault on why you lost to some random strats like that.
Thank you for that insightful post Captain Obvious. If you could read above a 3rd grade level you would understand I wasn't blaming anyone for the loss, I used the scenario to make a point that GGing people that play so poorly is ridiculous.
You're the guy in the chat.
User was banned for this post.
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Northern Ireland25354 Posts
On November 08 2020 12:27 MinesMakeWidows wrote:
10k+ games played, never GG'd anyone. The ladder is a cesspool.
Thanks for cleaning up the cesspool through the noble act of not GGing
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