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I have to be honest, I never BM unless someone says something; even then it is probably a manner mule or questioning why someone needs to get a rise out of someone in Sc2. But I rarely GG - mainly out of frustration that I could have played better. I only GG when it is actually a Good Game; perhaps my manners aren't up to par.
Nonetheless, I find it frustrating if I have several builds over the course of a few hours and I hit barcodes. Some barcodes are different whereas some I've played before. I hit 2 barcodes that knew my build order (btw I have many) but we had the same map. I knew they were the same players based off their build order and demeanor at the end of the game.
I'm not a pro and occasionally get GM...but mainly mid-M1. I don't GG these people - in fact, I tell them to get a name. Should you GG a non-pro, casual game on ladder?
Poll: Should you GG a MID-LEVEL BarcodeYes (187) 69% No (53) 20% I'm Indifferent (31) 11% 271 total votes Your vote: Should you GG a MID-LEVEL Barcode (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): I'm Indifferent
EDIT (10/5): I've started to GG after 90% of my games (even after a bane bust!). It makes me feel better internally, I guess, like I'm the better person taking the high road even after they BM me...it just seems wrong. I'm still committed to believe barcodes create a disproportionate advantage on build order based off long-term gameplay in their region/class. This game is aging so there are less players: It is more likely you will hit the same player multiple times in a night so the likelihood they know your style (or build order) is higher.
Maybe if we had 1M+ players simultaneously like CoD or Forenite this wouldn't be a thread or a concern. But the community is not as high as the other larger games, but that doesn't diminish the importance.
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You should always gg even vs AI
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On October 03 2020 21:05 DiMano wrote:
You should always gg even vs AI
Agreed. AI always gg's you.
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I can t believe this ethical question is so important for you, players...
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Northern Ireland24775 Posts
GG to me is the equivalent of the handshake after a match, just a civil convention that is the default unless your opponent has done something egregious.
I wouldn’t consider doing a barcode necessarily in that vein, although lower level players using them goes against what I consider the spirit of barcodes being used, namely to prevent notable top players getting sniped and letting them practice in more blind conditions
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Bisutopia19223 Posts
I always glhf and gg everyone. Just have fun and do your thing. I want my opponents to know I'm having so much fun that it doesn't matter what builds they throw at me.
I also think being friendly right at the start will make players cheese you less. And if they don't glhf back, then 100% assume you are being cheesed lol.
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On October 03 2020 21:07 Vision_ wrote:
I can t believe this ethical question is so important for you, players...
It's not ethics; you'd would be surprised how many people think it is a personal "slight" to not GG; regardless of name. I'm literally messaged after games saying "why no GG". Do you play often?
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what an absolutely bizarre question
yes always gg, every game, it's always been a Starcraft staple and there is no need to come up with random conditions for it 20 years later
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On October 03 2020 21:18 BisuDagger wrote:
I always glhf and gg everyone. Just have fun and do your thing. I want my opponents to know I'm having so much fun that it doesn't matter what builds they throw at me.
I also think being friendly right at the start will make players cheese you less. And if they don't glhf back, then 100% assume you are being cheesed lol.
lol the psychology is too much 
Mind games over glhf!!!
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On October 03 2020 21:16 WombaT wrote:
GG to me is the equivalent of the handshake after a match, just a civil convention that is the default unless your opponent has done something egregious.
I wouldn’t consider doing a barcode necessarily in that vein, although lower level players using them goes against what I consider the spirit of barcodes being used, namely to prevent notable top players getting sniped and letting them practice in more blind conditions
Right, but the poll was mid-level. You can see they are mid-level by their W/L etc. It just seem pretentious and annoying, almost BM from the start. I consider Mid-level Barcodes right up there with an AI.
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On October 03 2020 21:22 pinky29 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2020 21:16 WombaT wrote:
GG to me is the equivalent of the handshake after a match, just a civil convention that is the default unless your opponent has done something egregious.
I wouldn’t consider doing a barcode necessarily in that vein, although lower level players using them goes against what I consider the spirit of barcodes being used, namely to prevent notable top players getting sniped and letting them practice in more blind conditions Right, but the poll was mid-level. You can see they are mid-level by their W/L etc. It just seem pretentious and annoying, almost BM from the start. I consider Mid-level Barcodes right up there with an AI.
Also, note. This OP is not about someone going 25-1 making it to the top. It is a player in M1 or M2 that is 120-118 etc.
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On October 03 2020 21:18 Sorusaba wrote:
what an absolutely bizarre question
yes always gg, every game, it's always been a Starcraft staple and there is no need to come up with random conditions for it 20 years later
What? I've played this game since 2k? But WHY? Why GG against someone that doesn't even bother with a name and takes advantage of the fact they played you but you're not sure who they are? What conditions make you GG.
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I gg if they glhf'ed at the start. If they're on a barcode and they don't converse, clearly they just wanna focus and play and that is all that matters to them, so I won't give a gg.
I should say that I always glhf in the start.
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On October 03 2020 21:05 DiMano wrote:
You should always gg even vs AI A.I saying gg is exactly why I stopped doing it. Seems redundant.
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Why does it matter whether you GG or not? The important thing is that after losing you feel the urge to tell a barcode to get a name. As if somehow their barcode affects the way you play and enjoy the game. They enjoy the gamethe way they want to enjoy, why does it impact you so much?
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On October 03 2020 20:22 pinky29 wrote:
I have to be honest, I never BM unless someone says something
That's funny, on May 9th you wrote:
Again, I'm not perfect and said insults to players in retrospect I probably didn't mean or have been rude
I guess it is unsurprising that a condescending, overly presumptive person lacking self-awareness consistently makes slanted threads trying to garner support for their own lack of GM. It's clear that regardless of what the polls or replies say, you are set in your ways, so what do threads like this accomplish - what is the goal here?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
to quote Orson Welles.
Yes, always.
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barcode is an advantage lost through choosing a name
barcode has never been a starcraft staple the way gg has
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On October 03 2020 20:22 pinky29 wrote:I have to be honest, I never BM unless someone says something; even then it is probably a manner mule or questioning why someone needs to get a rise out of someone in Sc2. But I rarely GG - mainly out of frustration that I could have played better. I only GG when it is actually a Good Game; perhaps my manners aren't up to par. Nonetheless, I find it frustrating if I have several builds over the course of a few hours and I hit barcodes. Some barcodes are different whereas some I've played before. I hit 2 barcodes that knew my build order (btw I have many) but we had the same map. I knew they were the same players based off their build order and demeanor at the end of the game. I'm not a pro and occasionally get GM...but mainly mid-M1. I don't GG these people - in fact, I tell them to get a name. Should you GG a non-pro, casual game on ladder? Poll: Should you GG a MID-LEVEL BarcodeYes (187) 69% No (53) 20% I'm Indifferent (31) 11% 271 total votes Your vote: Should you GG a MID-LEVEL Barcode (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): I'm Indifferent
most middle level barcodes are assholes themselves, i noticed that a lot, they talk trash and are bm in general. Lost to some cheezer toss 5.1k barcode, didnt gg, he start spamming me in private, they feel so pro bc they use barcodes..
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Always glhf and gg! Regardless of them barcoding/not gg'ing/etc. They go low, we go high!
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there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
I write I don't play cheaters and leave right away. Considering I don't gg anyone... this is me no-gging? 
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On October 03 2020 23:30 skdsk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2020 20:22 pinky29 wrote:I have to be honest, I never BM unless someone says something; even then it is probably a manner mule or questioning why someone needs to get a rise out of someone in Sc2. But I rarely GG - mainly out of frustration that I could have played better. I only GG when it is actually a Good Game; perhaps my manners aren't up to par. Nonetheless, I find it frustrating if I have several builds over the course of a few hours and I hit barcodes. Some barcodes are different whereas some I've played before. I hit 2 barcodes that knew my build order (btw I have many) but we had the same map. I knew they were the same players based off their build order and demeanor at the end of the game. I'm not a pro and occasionally get GM...but mainly mid-M1. I don't GG these people - in fact, I tell them to get a name. Should you GG a non-pro, casual game on ladder? Poll: Should you GG a MID-LEVEL BarcodeYes (187) 69% No (53) 20% I'm Indifferent (31) 11% 271 total votes Your vote: Should you GG a MID-LEVEL Barcode (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): I'm Indifferent
most middle level barcodes are assholes themselves, i noticed that a lot, they talk trash and are bm in general. Lost to some cheezer toss 5.1k barcode, didnt gg, he start spamming me in private, they feel so pro bc they use barcodes..
in general I find SC2 players are probably more GM than BW players on average but there are also a lot more people who like to start messaging you in private to gloat about their win (usually after cannon rushing lol). It's more amusing than anything.
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On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote:
there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
I don t get, what s the problem with random players? you have a 2/3 chance to get their weak race, so you should be at an advantage most of the time.
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I would offer my opinion but TL mods will literally ban me for a month. Even if its something a mass majority of people agree with.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote:
there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
WTF is GM in this sense? It won't be the usual grand master...
Anyway, thanks to playing random and having to learn 6 matchups, also if you say hi, what race do you play - i answer it... what's wrong with randoms? Sure, my Terran brings my diamond ass very down so I don't have issues with winning with other races, but still...
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On October 04 2020 00:28 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
I would offer my opinion but TL mods will literally ban me for a month. Even if its something a mass majority of people agree with.
Do it, I promise they will ban you just figuratively.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 04 2020 00:32 ytherik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 00:28 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
I would offer my opinion but TL mods will literally ban me for a month. Even if its something a mass majority of people agree with. Do it, I promise they will ban you just figuratively.
The irony if they ban him because of backseat moderation xD
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On October 04 2020 00:17 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote:
there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
I don t get, what s the problem with random players? you have a 2/3 chance to get their weak race, so you should be at an advantage most of the time.
Most random players will just all in you. Also when you go random they're force to scout which people also hate doing because every map is a 2 player map. The new wave of starcraft players want it easy, they don't want to actually have to think to play the game,
I would explain why a certain race struggles more so against random but I would probably get banned for it despite being a random player myself. I think I can say that building placement matters depending on what race your opponent is without it being considered balance whining. When you send out a 'harvester' early to scout it throws off the entire build slightly and people don't like to do that. Hopefully one of the 43 mods here doesn't consider this balance whine.
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Why would you ever not type 'gg' before leaving? It's good for your mentality, it's not for your opponent.
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Barcode is like the 4th race basically is what you're saying? They are human so I guess you should probably GG if you lose vs them, moar GG moar skill, even vs barcode =P
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On October 04 2020 00:40 TelecoM wrote:
Barcode is like the 4th race basically is what you're saying? They are human so I guess you should probably GG if you lose vs them, moar GG moar skill, even vs barcode =P
In theory in lower leagues barcodes don't matter. PRactically - it depends. I played a guy name SERRAL who just proxied banshees every game. Has he been a barcode, I wouldn't ever got those sweet free wins Although I admit that had he named himself in a more generic fashion I wouldn't have remeber that this easily xD
I don't like it just for the reason it doesn't matter but if I play 3 barcodes in a row who are terrans and have the same portrait i have no idea whether I play 1 player, 2 players or 3 players while they know if the game repeats.
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Northern Ireland24775 Posts
On October 04 2020 00:17 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote:
there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
I don t get, what s the problem with random players? you have a 2/3 chance to get their weak race, so you should be at an advantage most of the time.
Random players are the scum of the earth :p
In all seriousness I’d like an option for people to play ‘revealed random’, would be good for players who want to queue and experiment with all races, but without the advantage of the unknown that random confers.
I wouldn’t BM random players but I do hate playing them given how specific openers are against different races and you have to make certain decisions blind.
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Northern Ireland24775 Posts
On October 04 2020 00:39 9-BiT wrote:
Why would you ever not type 'gg' before leaving? It's good for your mentality, it's not for your opponent.
That’s a good point as well, a gg a game keeps the salt away
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On October 04 2020 00:46 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 00:39 9-BiT wrote:
Why would you ever not type 'gg' before leaving? It's good for your mentality, it's not for your opponent. That’s a good point as well, a gg a game keeps the salt away
As one of the bigger ragers in the foreign scene it's certainly not a cure-all, but it has helped dramatically. It helps maintain your inner locus of control, and keeps you from blaming external factors.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 04 2020 00:49 9-BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 00:46 WombaT wrote:On October 04 2020 00:39 9-BiT wrote:
Why would you ever not type 'gg' before leaving? It's good for your mentality, it's not for your opponent. That’s a good point as well, a gg a game keeps the salt away As one of the bigger ragers in the foreign scene it's certainly not a cure-all, but it has helped dramatically. It helps maintain your inner locus of control, and keeps you from blaming external factors.
Never helped me a little bit, raging makes me much calmer before the next game. Although if I could turn off the chat I would.
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On October 04 2020 00:37 StaNi wrote:
no gg no skill
This. There's absolutely no reason to make a fuzz about whether one should gg or not.
Just type those damn two (!) letters and move on. But the debate is as old as Starcraft.
To me, "glhf" and "gg" are like brackets to a game. Code breaks without correctly set brackets.
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I always find this whole barcode hate thing absolutely ridiculous. Whenever I watch Rotti's stream and he goes on an autistic rant about why barcode players are the bane of his existence it's always pop-corn time. Especially funny since he seems like a rather chill guy, him having such a strong opinion about such a niche issue makes the whole thing all the more funny
In a game where people will go at great lengths to hide which build order they're preparing for you and will resort to the most underhanded strategies for a few ladder point more, god forbid they use a barcode to make things slightly harder to read for their opponent.
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If you're running into a barcode below GM, they probably have zero reason to even have that barcode. They could be anybody. So I treat them with the same level of respect as any other opponent [gl hf -> gg].
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On October 03 2020 21:18 BisuDagger wrote:
I always glhf and gg everyone. Just have fun and do your thing. I want my opponents to know I'm having so much fun that it doesn't matter what builds they throw at me.
I also think being friendly right at the start will make players cheese you less. And if they don't glhf back, then 100% assume you are being cheesed lol.
Nono it's when they just say "hf". Some interesting psychology there i'm sure. Probably something about feeling superior to your opponent so you don't have to dignify them with the full "gl hf" - or maybe being slightly ashamed? I don't know.. just think it's interesting.
Re the barcode thing.. even as a shit player i can understand wanting to play behind a barcode. I wouldn't want a game i played on a bad day to be immortalised on some youtube channel where the streamer's only job is to play starcraft and make jokes about other players.
I also think the gl hf and gg are mostly done for the person typing them and not the opponent. Like maybe the opponent is an asshole but why should you sink to that level?
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On October 04 2020 00:31 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote:
there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
WTF is GM in this sense? It won't be the usual grand master... Anyway, thanks to playing random and having to learn 6 matchups, also if you say hi, what race do you play - i answer it... what's wrong with randoms? Sure, my Terran brings my diamond ass very down so I don't have issues with winning with other races, but still...
sorry i meant good manner by gm lol
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Most ppl will say yes because it is the right thing to do but my philosophy is more about fairness than about kindness so I say don't do it but say something like "no name, no gg, fuck barcodes"
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 04 2020 01:54 Anc13nt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 00:31 deacon.frost wrote:On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote:
there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
WTF is GM in this sense? It won't be the usual grand master... Anyway, thanks to playing random and having to learn 6 matchups, also if you say hi, what race do you play - i answer it... what's wrong with randoms? Sure, my Terran brings my diamond ass very down so I don't have issues with winning with other races, but still... sorry i meant good manner by gm lol
Ah, that makes sense but since msot people use it for grand master didn't connected the dots.
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On October 04 2020 02:02 shadow4723 wrote:
Most ppl will say yes because it is the right thing to do but my philosophy is more about fairness than about kindness so I say don't do it but say something like "no name, no gg, fuck barcodes"
sc2 'tism ladies and gentlemen
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Northern Ireland24775 Posts
On October 04 2020 02:45 9-BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 02:02 shadow4723 wrote:
Most ppl will say yes because it is the right thing to do but my philosophy is more about fairness than about kindness so I say don't do it but say something like "no name, no gg, fuck barcodes" sc2 'tism ladies and gentlemen
A truly wondrous thing to behold.
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On October 03 2020 21:05 DiMano wrote:
You should always gg even vs AI
If it helps you sleep better, don't gg. But to be bothered so much by this & looking for validation is funny.
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No. Barcodes are pure evil, never GG them...
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Stop discriminating based on names, treat everyone the same. Either gg to everyone, or treat everyone like the biggest human waste. Don't you think you're better than discriminating barcodes! I say hate everyone equally!
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I'm curious the thoughts if Poker had barcodes for usernames.
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Mexico2170 Posts
I always GG except when:
1.-The enemy badmanners
2.-I lost due to luck
3.-He was a smurfer.
4.-He was a Random player cheesing.
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Recently I started to gg even if opponent BMs me (manner mule, offensive gg, "LEAVE" etc...).
Somehow it feels like a small moral victory that I didn't let him tilt me. I know their goal is to make me rage-quit or BM them in return and I don't want to give them this satisfaction.
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Why do you think it is legit for a pro player to use barcode to hide his/her identity and not for amateurish players?
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I play random mainly. I have always wanted to lie about my race for fun, but never end up going through with it.
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On October 04 2020 07:49 greenturtle23 wrote:
I play random mainly. I have always wanted to lie about my race for fun, but never end up going through with it.
People who ask me my race (when random) always pissed me off more than any barcode name ever could. I never lie to them, but I'm definitely not able to tell them to come scout me 100% of the time... I must not cheese enough.
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I GG every game as it's just the norm. They could be a cheesing barcode with BM but I rise above all that and just own my own actions.
I used to say glhf but tbh it's not needed for me, I prefer to just play in silence. I'll usually respond with a 'tyu2' if I get a 'glhf' purely just out of civility.
If I clearly see that they're a noob (I'm a low level bw player so sometimes get big mismatches) then I'll usually try talk a little with them and forward them onto some valuable resources to help them learn.
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Always GG. That one's on you, not them.
I guess it's kinda an old school 90s gamer mentality, since I don't see this very much shared with people that started gaming in the 2000s.
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Like other people have said, to me GLHF (hell, ever since I played a guy called Praisethesun, I throw in a \[T]/ as well) and GG are just part of acknowledging your opponent. Same as greeting and shaking hands with an opponent before and after a game of tennis, or like how soccer teams will have all players shake hands with each other at the end of a game.
I don't see why you wouldn't be a good sportsman about the game.
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On October 04 2020 09:49 Danglars wrote:
Always GG. That one's on you, not them.
I guess it's kinda an old school 90s gamer mentality, since I don't see this very much shared with people that started gaming in the 2000s.
Arcades did have a way of espousing sportsmanship.
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/XxyGFDN.jpg)
AlexPKeaton aka pinky29 aka moral posturing ex GM -> proxy 2 rax reaper every game into mech/BC
Solution? Hard counter dat ass and collect ladder points
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On October 04 2020 11:04 llllllll wrote:AlexPKeaton aka pinky29 aka moral posturing ex GM -> proxy 2 rax reaper every game into mech/BC Solution? Hard counter dat ass and collect ladder points
REKT
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I won't gg someone who doesn't say glhf, but that's about it. Sometimes I don't because I'm mad about cheese I guess.
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your Country52797 Posts
For me, saying gg is just acknowledging that the game happened and is now over. If there's something else I want to say, I'll go ahead and add it on or say it outright (or just insta-leave if I'm feeling salty).
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Just dont gg anyone unless theyre your friends ;;
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How one can be so bothered about such a thing is the actual question here.
Also nice screenshot @llllllll (sick name!)
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On October 04 2020 20:58 Luolis wrote:
Just dont gg anyone unless theyre your friends ;;
They could potentially become your friend, if you act nicely.
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As a mid level random player that always (as long as I don't forget) tells my race, GL HF and end games with gg, this thread is quite interesting. The only thing missing is a barcode name.
The poll specified "MID LEVEL" in all caps. So, it is important that the level of play is the middle of the pack, the median. The median is gold/platinum (I am verging on diamond, so that's actually way above median, about 20 percentage points too high). That is a level where monobattlers in 1v1 can have a win rate over 50% because the monobattler is more familiar with their build than their opponent.
I believe that the advantage of anonymity in repeated games won't be significant. The skill of players is too varying between games and situations for the anonymity to matter. My top diamond skills include scouting a 1-base terran, forgetting the scouted information and just macroing up until my main gets destroyed by the terran drop, miss doing any macro whenever something interesting is happening, not multitasking at all (ever) etc.
Barcodes won't help at a way lower level of play.
Having a barcode name won't change the game, so why treat it any different than any other game?
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On October 04 2020 22:42 ejozl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 20:58 Luolis wrote:
Just dont gg anyone unless theyre your friends ;; They could potentially become your friend, if you act nicely.
Even better, if you don't gg your friends you may just get rid of them
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I just realised from the screenshot, the OP is the same guy who made that thread about racism and his infantile "I am a 38 year old and have 2 children so I am morally superior" and teh interwebs chat have racism shocker. Yet here he is, being a BM player, with apparently no hint or irony. Writing direct messages to insult other playes, but blocking them from replying back to you. This feels like a guy trying to use TL to wage a public shaming campaign.
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I suggest you try not to let things outside of your control bother you. I say gg every single time before I tap out and it helps keep my own ego in check.
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Whether you should type GG or not is something you'll have your own opinion about and I don't think the nickname of the opponent makes any difference whatsoever
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I just wanted out of a game the other day, went to gg and only typed one g by accident (the horror, I know). Upon realizing there was only one g, I proceeded to whisper GG to my opponent to clarify I wasn't being salty. Mofo wasn't accepting whispers from anybody not on their friends list. FML
EDIT: Hey, same exact number of posts as the person above me. Cool cool cool.
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On October 04 2020 14:40 The_Templar wrote:
For me, saying gg is just acknowledging that the game happened and is now over.
this is exactly it. It's just a staple of the game. What's with people coming up with these weird rules and conditions to something that's existed since starcraft itself? lol
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your Country52797 Posts
On October 05 2020 00:06 Sorusaba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2020 14:40 The_Templar wrote:
For me, saying gg is just acknowledging that the game happened and is now over. this is exactly it. It's just a staple of the game. What's with people coming up with these weird rules and conditions to something that's existed since starcraft itself? lol
I mean, people can do whatever they want, right? My older brother used to say gg both when he was winning and losing, and the game would sometimes last for a while after that. But I wasn't going to tell him that he was saying gg wrong.
On October 04 2020 20:58 Luolis wrote:
Just dont gg anyone unless theyre your friends ;;
Maybe everyone is my friend though >:|
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Interesting..Templar...so GG to you means more of a conclusion of the game? Not really "Good Game". I guess that could be part of why some people have mixed opinions. I'm more literal I guess, whereas for you it is more of a "The End" caption of a movie.
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On October 04 2020 22:46 Drfilip wrote:As a mid level random player that always (as long as I don't forget) tells my race, GL HF and end games with gg, this thread is quite interesting. The only thing missing is a barcode name. The poll specified "MID LEVEL" in all caps. So, it is important that the level of play is the middle of the pack, the median. The median is gold/platinum (I am verging on diamond, so that's actually way above median, about 20 percentage points too high). That is a level where monobattlers in 1v1 can have a win rate over 50% because the monobattler is more familiar with their build than their opponent. I believe that the advantage of anonymity in repeated games won't be significant. The skill of players is too varying between games and situations for the anonymity to matter. My top diamond skills include scouting a 1-base terran, forgetting the scouted information and just macroing up until my main gets destroyed by the terran drop, miss doing any macro whenever something interesting is happening, not multitasking at all (ever) etc. Barcodes won't help at a way lower level of play. Having a barcode name won't change the game, so why treat it any different than any other game?
Your points are all valid; however, I take exception with the last line "Having a barcode won't change the game...". I have to disagree with that last statement mainly because I encounter many of the same players online and recognize their names. In fact, sometimes I hit them so much that I recall "Oh ya, this guy likes to proxy DT" or "I remember this guy...he always cannon rushes." Many people can say the same about me..."this guy likes reapers or always goes proxy". With a barcode the anonymity is there and they can exploit the situation without scouting or performing a hard counter. I change my builds if I know someone knows "my style". The game is not on equal footing when a barcode already knows your style while retaining their anonymity. It also breeds for more BM on their side versus someone with a name.
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GGing is just a silly formality. Supposedly, you have to gg if you lost a game that you honestly felt was a terrible game, which is just not right; you should not be forced to say an opinion you don't believe.
I also think it's really weird that you can leave the game immediately after sending the GG. To me, saying GG is like extending a hand for a handshake, not just an admittance of a loss. I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it.
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On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
GGing is just a silly formality. Supposedly, you have to gg if you lost a game that you honestly felt was a terrible game, which is just not right; you should not be forced to say an opinion you don't believe.
I also think it's really weird that you can leave the game immediately after sending the GG. To me, saying GG is like extending a hand for a handshake, not just an admittance of a loss. I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it.
Haha, agreed. The "gray out" idea would be fun, but it just gives people more opportunity to BM while you have to pointlessly sit there. There are times I say "GG" and it's immediately followed by opponent saying "You suck you noob" etc etc
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Mexico2170 Posts
On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
GGing is just a silly formality. Supposedly, you have to gg if you lost a game that you honestly felt was a terrible game, which is just not right; you should not be forced to say an opinion you don't believe.
I also think it's really weird that you can leave the game immediately after sending the GG. To me, saying GG is like extending a hand for a handshake, not just an admittance of a loss. I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it.
Player 1: GG!
*Nine seconds later*
Player 2: EZ!
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Russian Federation195 Posts
it's always been a Starcraft staple and there is no need to come up with random conditions for it 20 years later
Actually, I don't think it's always been that. It's Korean TV matches made 'gg' something that has to be written at the end of each match, I think. I can't remember people writing 'gg' in every game on Battle.net in 2000. Rather than that, by that time I felt that 'gg' had a scent of giggling at your opponent.
It could differ between different part of the communities, I guess, but what I mean is that you have to make sure you did play StarCraft online 20 years ago before saying that there has been something for 20 years. If you really did, well.
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When I used to ladder a lot, I glhf'd every game and GGed almost every game. Sometimes I didn't GG exceptionally rude players, and some rare occasions where I would be really mad at myself for letting a big lead turn into a loss. I try to be nice but the salt can really affect me sometimes =(
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On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it.
If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit.
If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D
Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D
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On October 05 2020 09:18 psyCrowe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it. If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit. If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D
Traditionally, before digital competition became a thing, you (the loser) would say "good game" at the same time that you extend a hand for a handshake, then your opponent (the winner) would repeat the same action. Saying "gg" doesn't mean anything these days, except "ok you win," which is pointless. Sometimes, the sender doesn't even believe it was a "good game." (EDIT: This tradition has logic to it, since walking away from the table without saying anything or offering a handshake would be terribly awkward for the person still sitting. In the case of a video game, the same situation doesn't exists.) Most of the time when my opponent leaves the game without gging, it means nothing to me, and it shouldn't mean anything to you either. Some people get salty, because they interpret a no-gg as bm. Whatever. That's their problem. Let them deal with it.
I just think that for the people who do think GGing has value, the way to increase the value is to turn into a formal digital handshake, hence the 5-10 sec grayed out 'quit' suggestion. You spent 5-20 minutes playing hard at a game, I'm pretty sure you can wait a moment for your opponent to shake your hand, especially since you felt it was worth offering your hand to begin with. As for the trolling potential, whatever—It happens. Get thicker skin. If it annoys you that much, then just don't ever gg. If it's not a tournament game, no one should care about how you or your opponent views a random ladder game.
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On October 05 2020 10:12 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2020 09:18 psyCrowe wrote:On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it. If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit. If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D Traditionally, before digital competition became a thing, you (the loser) would say "good game" at the same time that you extend a hand for a handshake, then your opponent (the winner) would repeat the same action. Saying "gg" doesn't mean anything these days, except "ok you win," which is pointless. Sometimes, the sender doesn't even believe it was a "good game." (EDIT: This tradition has logic to it, since walking away from the table without saying anything or offering a handshake would be terribly awkward for the person still sitting. In the case of a video game, the same situation doesn't exists.) Most of the time when my opponent leaves the game without gging, it means nothing to me, and it shouldn't mean anything to you either. Some people get salty, because they interpret a no-gg as bm. Whatever. That's their problem. Let them deal with it. I just think that for the people who do think GGing has value, the way to increase the value is to turn into a formal digital handshake, hence the 5-10 sec grayed out 'quit' suggestion. You spent 5-20 minutes playing hard at a game, I'm pretty sure you can wait a moment for your opponent to shake your hand, especially since you felt it was worth offering your hand to begin with. As for the trolling potential, whatever—It happens. Get thicker skin. If it triggers you that much, then just don't ever gg. If it's not a tournament game, no one should care about how you or your opponent views a random ladder game.
> Has an incredibly niche, minority belief that entails changing the established, decades-long practice of manner in games (saying "gg") by demanding a rule that would hold a person's time hostage pending their issuance of a response that amounts to satisfying a pathetic need for coddling in this context.
> "if it triggers you get thicker skin bro"
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On October 05 2020 10:32 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2020 10:12 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 05 2020 09:18 psyCrowe wrote:On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it. If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit. If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D Traditionally, before digital competition became a thing, you (the loser) would say "good game" at the same time that you extend a hand for a handshake, then your opponent (the winner) would repeat the same action. Saying "gg" doesn't mean anything these days, except "ok you win," which is pointless. Sometimes, the sender doesn't even believe it was a "good game." (EDIT: This tradition has logic to it, since walking away from the table without saying anything or offering a handshake would be terribly awkward for the person still sitting. In the case of a video game, the same situation doesn't exists.) Most of the time when my opponent leaves the game without gging, it means nothing to me, and it shouldn't mean anything to you either. Some people get salty, because they interpret a no-gg as bm. Whatever. That's their problem. Let them deal with it. I just think that for the people who do think GGing has value, the way to increase the value is to turn into a formal digital handshake, hence the 5-10 sec grayed out 'quit' suggestion. You spent 5-20 minutes playing hard at a game, I'm pretty sure you can wait a moment for your opponent to shake your hand, especially since you felt it was worth offering your hand to begin with. As for the trolling potential, whatever—It happens. Get thicker skin. If it triggers you that much, then just don't ever gg. If it's not a tournament game, no one should care about how you or your opponent views a random ladder game. > Has an incredibly niche, minority belief that entails changing the established, decades-long practice of manner in games (saying "gg") by demanding a rule that would hold a person's time hostage pending their issuance of a response that amounts to satisfying a pathetic need for coddling in this context. > "if it triggers you get thicker skin bro"
<Makes a suggestion. Even uses the word "suggestion."
>Internet memer twists "suggestion" into "demanding." Also works for cnn.
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I rarely GG on ladder. Tournaments are a different story but on ladder, who really cares? It's not like I'm raging or anything, it's just never been high priority.
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On October 05 2020 10:12 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2020 09:18 psyCrowe wrote:On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it. If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit. If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D Traditionally, before digital competition became a thing, you (the loser) would say "good game" at the same time that you extend a hand for a handshake, then your opponent (the winner) would repeat the same action. Saying "gg" doesn't mean anything these days, except "ok you win," which is pointless. Sometimes, the sender doesn't even believe it was a "good game." (EDIT: This tradition has logic to it, since walking away from the table without saying anything or offering a handshake would be terribly awkward for the person still sitting. In the case of a video game, the same situation doesn't exists.) Most of the time when my opponent leaves the game without gging, it means nothing to me, and it shouldn't mean anything to you either. Some people get salty, because they interpret a no-gg as bm. Whatever. That's their problem. Let them deal with it. I just think that for the people who do think GGing has value, the way to increase the value is to turn into a formal digital handshake, hence the 5-10 sec grayed out 'quit' suggestion. You spent 5-20 minutes playing hard at a game, I'm pretty sure you can wait a moment for your opponent to shake your hand, especially since you felt it was worth offering your hand to begin with. As for the trolling potential, whatever—It happens. Get thicker skin. If it annoys you that much, then just don't ever gg. If it's not a tournament game, no one should care about how you or your opponent views a random ladder game.
Good points. Well thought out. The guy (or girl) behind the keyboard scenario needs to lose its luster.
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On October 05 2020 10:12 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2020 09:18 psyCrowe wrote:On October 05 2020 06:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
I think blizzard should add a new feature: when a player sends GG, the 'quit' function is grayed out for 10 seconds, or until the winner types GG back.
That would do two things: it would give more meaning to GGing out, and also removes the pointless pressure on players to say "good game" even when they don't believe it. If you're GG'ing then you've lost the game and the chances are you want to get out asap and put it behind you. This sort of feature would just stop people saying GG as it doesn't add any positive value and instead wastes time for both players. If saying GG meant losing less MMR then you'd sooner see people adopting the habit. If I feel it's been a genuine good & hard fought game I'll say 'ggwp', but for me, similar to what was said earlier, gg is simply acknowledging the game is over - it's just the etiquette. Whether you ascribe to it or not is a personal decision. Some people will take it personally if you don't GG, many others won't, who really cares? They've not just beat you once, they've beat you twice by getting into your head :D Ladder games don't really mean much, but when in official tournaments it always causes a laugh and stir when a player doesn't GG, it reeks of sore loser :D Traditionally, before digital competition became a thing, you (the loser) would say "good game" at the same time that you extend a hand for a handshake, then your opponent (the winner) would repeat the same action. Saying "gg" doesn't mean anything these days, except "ok you win," which is pointless. Sometimes, the sender doesn't even believe it was a "good game." (EDIT: This tradition has logic to it, since walking away from the table without saying anything or offering a handshake would be terribly awkward for the person still sitting. In the case of a video game, the same situation doesn't exists.) Most of the time when my opponent leaves the game without gging, it means nothing to me, and it shouldn't mean anything to you either. Some people get salty, because they interpret a no-gg as bm. Whatever. That's their problem. Let them deal with it. I just think that for the people who do think GGing has value, the way to increase the value is to turn into a formal digital handshake, hence the 5-10 sec grayed out 'quit' suggestion. You spent 5-20 minutes playing hard at a game, I'm pretty sure you can wait a moment for your opponent to shake your hand, especially since you felt it was worth offering your hand to begin with. As for the trolling potential, whatever—It happens. Get thicker skin. If it annoys you that much, then just don't ever gg. If it's not a tournament game, no one should care about how you or your opponent views a random ladder game.
Gg is exactly that, a digital handshake. You don't have to actually think it was a good game to say good game. If someone extends their hand to you and say good game, then the polite thing to do is to shake hands and respond with good game. If you don't then you come off as a sore loser and it's just kind of awkward. That's why I don't really see not gg'ing as BM, it's just kind of awkward. I thought we were having fun playing a game, but apparently my opponent takes winning so seriously that he can't muster the courage to say gg. My perspective changes a bit, if we never had a dialogue in the game with glhf, since then maybe he just wanna concentrate and I'm just a tool for him to practice his game. And no, people don't actually have a problem with ppl not gg'ing, it shows more about the mentality of the no-gg'er imo. I think Bnet and Twitch Chat would be a nicer place, if more ppl showed politeness, obviously. So more gg, more good times.
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10k+ games played, never GG'd anyone. The ladder is a cesspool.
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On November 08 2020 12:27 MinesMakeWidows wrote:
10k+ games played, never GG'd anyone. The ladder is a cesspool.
"See I never just did things just to do them. C'mon, what am I gonna do, just all of the sudden just jump up, and grind my feet on somebody's couch? Like it's something to do? C'mon I got a little more sense than that...
Yea, I remember drying my feet on Eddie's couch."
PS Wonder whose alt you are ^-^
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Ppl really make a big deal out of GG. Its really not important. If you are not saying anything in chat at all, you are still being respectful.
I dont even notice 90% of the times if my opponents GG or not.
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On November 08 2020 13:52 Snakestyle11 wrote:
Ppl really make a big deal out of GG. Its really not important. If you are not saying anything in chat at all, you are still being respectful.
I dont even notice 90% of the times if my opponents GG or not.
Thanks for straightening this out for us, being that you are the authority on the matter.
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On November 08 2020 12:42 Jealous wrote:
"See I never just did things just to do them. C'mon, what am I gonna do, just all of the sudden just jump up, and grind my feet on somebody's couch? Like it's something to do? C'mon I got a little more sense than that...
Yea, I remember drying my feet on Eddie's couch."
PS Wonder whose alt you are ^-^
Why would I be someones alt? I'm in diamond. . . Do you have any idea the kinds of builds that people do in diamond? I just proxy 2 raxed a zerg, he cancelled the hatch built 3 spines and went 1 base mutalisk while making queens none stop. I bypassed the spines with a drop and you know what I found out??
Apparently 4 queens can stop 8 marines+4 hellions + medivac + tank, while just yoloing mutas into my main base / natural. I have never seen anything like it in my life. Some guy with a 20 IQ build weasels out a win. He decided to go 1 base muta when he saw nothing but marines, I happenend to be transitioning into mech after the proxy did its job.
1 base mutalisk in SC2 in 2020. It was the worst possible thing to do and it worked because I couldn't imagine anyone at this mmr being so god damn stupid to do something like that. But people like you will think someone that bad deserves a GG. Right, 1 Base mutalisk is the new meta.
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On November 08 2020 14:49 MinesMakeWidows wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 12:42 Jealous wrote:
"See I never just did things just to do them. C'mon, what am I gonna do, just all of the sudden just jump up, and grind my feet on somebody's couch? Like it's something to do? C'mon I got a little more sense than that...
Yea, I remember drying my feet on Eddie's couch."
PS Wonder whose alt you are ^-^ Why would I be someones alt? I'm in diamond. . . Do you have any idea the kinds of builds that people do in diamond? I just proxy 2 raxed a zerg, he cancelled the hatch built 3 spines and went 1 base mutalisk while making queens none stop. I bypassed the spines with a drop and you know what I found out?? Apparently 4 queens can stop 8 marines+4 hellions + medivac + tank, while just yoloing mutas into my main base / natural. I have never seen anything like it in my life. Some guy with a 20 IQ build weasels out a win. He decided to go 1 base muta when he saw nothing but marines, I happenend to be transitioning into mech after the proxy did its job. 1 base mutalisk in SC2 in 2020. It was the worst possible thing to do and it worked because I couldn't imagine anyone at this mmr being so god damn stupid to do something like that. But people like you will think someone that bad deserves a GG. Right, 1 Base mutalisk is the new meta.
Scouting exist you know that? Its your fault on why you lost to some random strats like that.
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I have a barcode account because I cheese and all-in all my games and I don’t like people to be able to blind counter me.
Imho that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t get any ggs :’(
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On November 08 2020 16:40 SamirDuran wrote:
Scouting exist you know that? Its your fault on why you lost to some random strats like that.
Thank you for that insightful post Captain Obvious. If you could read above a 3rd grade level you would understand I wasn't blaming anyone for the loss, I used the scenario to make a point that GGing people that play so poorly is ridiculous.
You're the guy in the chat.
User was banned for this post.
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Northern Ireland24775 Posts
On November 08 2020 12:27 MinesMakeWidows wrote:
10k+ games played, never GG'd anyone. The ladder is a cesspool.
Thanks for cleaning up the cesspool through the noble act of not GGing
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I don't gg anymore but that's because I mute everyone the second the game starts. The amount of racist and homophobic shit being said combined with the constant balance whining and toxicity from tryhard terrans got tiring so I just got rid of the issue altogether. I don't mean any ill will by not gging, I just don't want to deal with the chat aspect of the game anymore.
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On October 03 2020 21:16 WombaT wrote:
GG to me is the equivalent of the handshake after a match, just a civil convention that is the default unless your opponent has done something egregious.
Exactly.
Leaving the game without a gg says more about you than the other person. If you played terribly, it's not your opponents fault.
On November 09 2020 04:07 Ben... wrote:
I don't gg anymore but that's because I mute everyone the second the game starts. The amount of racist and homophobic shit being said combined with the constant balance whining and toxicity from tryhard terrans got tiring so I just got rid of the issue altogether. I don't mean any ill will by not gging, I just don't want to deal with the chat aspect of the game anymore.
I also mute everyone when the game starts. But I still gg if I lose. Those aren't mutually exclusive.
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wait a sec, u look at ur opponents name? you dont auto type gg . . .even against ai? Not sure what this is doing here!
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the way i've always looked at it the past 20 years... with a game that had maybe 4500 keypresses 'gg'ing takes 5 button presses at most.
it's either a thing with ego, or simply not caring. one or the other.
ego:
- salt
- diminishing own mistakes
- overvaluing self/performance
- not lucid
- equating temporary success to good play and vice versa.
no cares:
- lazy
- unsure of its benefits
- no expectations one way or another
some people's form of gging--or their ego in other words--extends to bming because they don't think you deserve something. it's not the same as congratulating someone for stealing your girlfriend. it's not even close to the same level.
the only thing being stolen from you is the reality that you're proficient at winning.
let's say your passion for a game stays even though the community becomes smaller and your skill level raises.
you'll start not taking your opponents for granted, being the human beings that they are, because believe it or not, they're the basis for your practice. the better your opponent, the better you can become.
and so it's only natural to show respect and at least gg.
not gging isn't disrespect however.
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"No matter what happens in life, be good to people. Being good to people is a wonderful legacy to leave behind."
-Taylor Swift
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I don't mind if people don't gg, as long as people don't bm all is good.
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On November 08 2020 14:49 MinesMakeWidows wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 12:42 Jealous wrote:
"See I never just did things just to do them. C'mon, what am I gonna do, just all of the sudden just jump up, and grind my feet on somebody's couch? Like it's something to do? C'mon I got a little more sense than that...
Yea, I remember drying my feet on Eddie's couch."
PS Wonder whose alt you are ^-^ Why would I be someones alt? I'm in diamond. . . Do you have any idea the kinds of builds that people do in diamond? I just proxy 2 raxed a zerg, he cancelled the hatch built 3 spines and went 1 base mutalisk while making queens none stop. I bypassed the spines with a drop and you know what I found out?? Apparently 4 queens can stop 8 marines+4 hellions + medivac + tank, while just yoloing mutas into my main base / natural. I have never seen anything like it in my life. Some guy with a 20 IQ build weasels out a win. He decided to go 1 base muta when he saw nothing but marines, I happenend to be transitioning into mech after the proxy did its job. 1 base mutalisk in SC2 in 2020. It was the worst possible thing to do and it worked because I couldn't imagine anyone at this mmr being so god damn stupid to do something like that. But people like you will think someone that bad deserves a GG. Right, 1 Base mutalisk is the new meta.
It's funny how you use this as an example where you shouldn't gg.
I mean, the story line is epic. The guy is way behind because he gets caught with his pants down. In a blind panic, he decides to go with what he knows best, even though the world has told him that it's a bad idea. And low and behold: he pulls off a miraculous win.
If you don't gg that, then what do you gg?
Also: if you ever met a person with 20 IQ you'd realise that they are not able to make 1base muta work. Or use a spoon, for that matter. Get your facts straight.
On November 10 2020 01:30 CreightonOlsen wrote:
"No matter what happens in life, be good to people. Being good to people is a wonderful legacy to leave behind."
-Taylor Swift
Kudos to CreightonOlson for bringing the love
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My opinions have changed over the years, when I was new to sc2 I would gg every game. Then as I began playing a lot and mostly on KR I stopped GGing because I found it was pretty uncommon there particularly just below GM, and typically both myself and my opponent were barcodes.
I'm not sure if the fact they were barcodes had anything to do with it but since then I just gg in tournaments or when I feel my opponent outplays me for ladder games. In general i've never felt disprespected when my opponent hasn't gg'd me on ladder, and I don't see why anyone should.
Also I don't think there is any merit in gg'ing every game as a way to enforce yourself to acknwoledge your opponent played well in order to keep a cool head. Honestly, any issues relating to your emotional state are rooted far deeper than typing GG at the end of a match. see
To conclude my ramblings you should do whatever the fuck you do to everyone else
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GG stands for "good game." In a tournament setting or when playing with friends I will always say it, but in random ladder matches I sometimes choose not to say it if the game wasn't good. Also the loss could be my fault for making a stupid mistake but that especially means its not a 'good game' so why should I say that it was? Honestly people saying that you have to gg every game or else you're secretly an angry little demon inside is just a meme. What amount of the player base really says gg every single game no matter what? Only a tiny minority based on watching streams, spectating various matches and playing in the ladder. Guaranteed almost every person saying "no gg no skill" doesn't say gg every game.
But as for the barcode issue, it seems like someone is maybe a little bit full of themselves if they think they're having worse matches against barcodes because they're getting recognized on the ladder in mid masters. Playing with a barcode is fair and increasingly necessary for people as they climb higher to the top of the ladder. Also how thoughtless is your play style if people can win against you just by knowing who you are?
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Should you tie your shoes if their color is blue and you are next to people who have green shirts? Or is it a breach of etiquette?
Fate of the universe depends on such all-important questions.
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On November 08 2020 14:49 MinesMakeWidows wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 12:42 Jealous wrote:
"See I never just did things just to do them. C'mon, what am I gonna do, just all of the sudden just jump up, and grind my feet on somebody's couch? Like it's something to do? C'mon I got a little more sense than that...
Yea, I remember drying my feet on Eddie's couch."
PS Wonder whose alt you are ^-^ Why would I be someones alt? I'm in diamond. . . Do you have any idea the kinds of builds that people do in diamond? I just proxy 2 raxed a zerg, he cancelled the hatch built 3 spines and went 1 base mutalisk while making queens none stop. I bypassed the spines with a drop and you know what I found out?? Apparently 4 queens can stop 8 marines+4 hellions + medivac + tank, while just yoloing mutas into my main base / natural. I have never seen anything like it in my life. Some guy with a 20 IQ build weasels out a win. He decided to go 1 base muta when he saw nothing but marines, I happenend to be transitioning into mech after the proxy did its job. 1 base mutalisk in SC2 in 2020. It was the worst possible thing to do and it worked because I couldn't imagine anyone at this mmr being so god damn stupid to do something like that. But people like you will think someone that bad deserves a GG. Right, 1 Base mutalisk is the new meta.
Sounds like you got outplayed by an intelligent & creative player, though I'm not surprised someone who thinks typing GG is something a player "deserves" is unable to admit and learn from defeat. You can do better than that - we all can!
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if you like it when your opponent says gg when they lose, you should say gg when you lose. their name and strat have nothing to do with it. even if you dont care if your opponent gg's, you might consider doing it yourself because you know that many people would appreciate it.
i tried not saying gg for a while, and then i got into the habit of saying gg aloud to my stream but not typing it. felt weird. so now im trying to remember to say it every game again
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On November 11 2020 04:30 Sorusaba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 14:49 MinesMakeWidows wrote:On November 08 2020 12:42 Jealous wrote:
"See I never just did things just to do them. C'mon, what am I gonna do, just all of the sudden just jump up, and grind my feet on somebody's couch? Like it's something to do? C'mon I got a little more sense than that...
Yea, I remember drying my feet on Eddie's couch."
PS Wonder whose alt you are ^-^ Why would I be someones alt? I'm in diamond. . . Do you have any idea the kinds of builds that people do in diamond? I just proxy 2 raxed a zerg, he cancelled the hatch built 3 spines and went 1 base mutalisk while making queens none stop. I bypassed the spines with a drop and you know what I found out?? Apparently 4 queens can stop 8 marines+4 hellions + medivac + tank, while just yoloing mutas into my main base / natural. I have never seen anything like it in my life. Some guy with a 20 IQ build weasels out a win. He decided to go 1 base muta when he saw nothing but marines, I happenend to be transitioning into mech after the proxy did its job. 1 base mutalisk in SC2 in 2020. It was the worst possible thing to do and it worked because I couldn't imagine anyone at this mmr being so god damn stupid to do something like that. But people like you will think someone that bad deserves a GG. Right, 1 Base mutalisk is the new meta. Sounds like you got outplayed by an intelligent & creative player, though I'm not surprised someone who thinks typing GG is something a player "deserves" is unable to admit and learn from defeat. You can do better than that - we all can!
I'm rather happy our one-base mutalisking genius managed to pull that particular win off, gotta say.
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On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote:
there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
I think it says a lot about someone who BMs and doesn't gg. No one would choose to be in a toxic environment when they don't have to be, in any arena in a life. And those that openly choose to be toxic, it says a lot. It's why I mute first thing, say gl hf and gg if I lose. Am I offended by BM? No, but it shouldn't be part of the game, it isn't why I play the game, and that's why I use mute to turn it off.
I don't desire to play SC2 to be in a toxic environment. But your defense of BM and stating that you don't gg when disappointed says a lot about your ability to handle your emotions.
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On November 11 2020 22:55 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote:
there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
I think it says a lot about someone who BMs and doesn't gg. No one would choose to be in a toxic environment when they don't have to be, in any arena in a life. And those that openly choose to be toxic, it says a lot. It's why I mute first thing, say gl hf and gg if I lose. Am I offended by BM? No, but it shouldn't be part of the game, it isn't why I play the game, and that's why I use mute to turn it off. I don't desire to play SC2 to be in a toxic environment. But your defense of BM and stating that you don't gg when disappointed says a lot about your ability to handle your emotions.
It's a randomly selected opponent in the internet environment. There will be BM and toxicity. It's the nature of how it works.
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On November 11 2020 22:55 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote:
there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
I think it says a lot about someone who BMs and doesn't gg. No one would choose to be in a toxic environment when they don't have to be, in any arena in a life. And those that openly choose to be toxic, it says a lot. It's why I mute first thing, say gl hf and gg if I lose. Am I offended by BM? No, but it shouldn't be part of the game, it isn't why I play the game, and that's why I use mute to turn it off. I don't desire to play SC2 to be in a toxic environment. But your defense of BM and stating that you don't gg when disappointed says a lot about your ability to handle your emotions.
I'd have zero issue with people just saying they BM to let off some steam and anger, rather than strange rationalisations as to why the videogaming equivalent of a sportsmanlike handshake shouldn't apply because opponent did x build and is bad despite winning or whatever.
It's a fine line for me, and a subjective one to many I guess. Playing with two players who've muted each other and you may as well just be playing against Alphastar or w/e. A bit of good-natured banter, or some witty salt or whatever I feel does enhance the experience a bit, makes me feel like I'm playing against a living-breathing human.
Bit of good-natured smack, wee handshake after all is said and done, all good in my books. I have zero tolerance for people just spamming abuse though, would rather be playing against a robot then.
I just find it strange that the mere idea that x space on the internet should aspire to be reasonably friendly is seen as such a weird proposition.
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On November 11 2020 23:36 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2020 22:55 BronzeKnee wrote:On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote:
there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion.
I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally.
I think it says a lot about someone who BMs and doesn't gg. No one would choose to be in a toxic environment when they don't have to be, in any arena in a life. And those that openly choose to be toxic, it says a lot. It's why I mute first thing, say gl hf and gg if I lose. Am I offended by BM? No, but it shouldn't be part of the game, it isn't why I play the game, and that's why I use mute to turn it off. I don't desire to play SC2 to be in a toxic environment. But your defense of BM and stating that you don't gg when disappointed says a lot about your ability to handle your emotions. I'd have zero issue with people just saying they BM to let off some steam and anger, rather than strange rationalisations as to why the videogaming equivalent of a sportsmanlike handshake shouldn't apply because opponent did x build and is bad despite winning or whatever. It's a fine line for me, and a subjective one to many I guess. Playing with two players who've muted each other and you may as well just be playing against Alphastar or w/e. A bit of good-natured banter, or some witty salt or whatever I feel does enhance the experience a bit, makes me feel like I'm playing against a living-breathing human. Bit of good-natured smack, wee handshake after all is said and done, all good in my books. I have zero tolerance for people just spamming abuse though, would rather be playing against a robot then. I just find it strange that the mere idea that x space on the internet should aspire to be reasonably friendly is seen as such a weird proposition.
Technically speaking the aspiration is about to be doomed.
Let's say we have 200k English speaking users of the SC2 on the ladder. SC2 section of TL.net attracts 10k people, another 10k people is subbed to some streamers showing a positive behaviour and promoting it(e.g. Neuro). 10 %, the rest is what the depths of the internet gave us And somehow I think I am too generous.
Also some people like me hate hypocrisy. And I find it pretty pathetic to wish GL HF when you hope neither to happen. (e.g. smurfs, cheesers) That's when I BM you.
You want to have a nice place? Let me have the option to mute chat by default on the ladder. I just want to play games, let it be unmuted during the pause to see WTF is happening, give me the mute icon so the opponent knows what's happening. It's not coop, it's not a teamgame, it's not a tournament. I don't want to chat with you, I hate you and I channel all my inner hatred towards beating you. If you want to - imagine me like a Sith. I certainly am not a pathetic Jedi when I ladder
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I'm the OP so I think it is obligatory when I see so many people "riled up" about why some people don't GG. Case in point: I say HF; opponent also says it too. The game ends (if you really want to know why he lost...I hid mass BC with a hidden expo). This was not some cheesy short game. What do I deserve? Judge for yourself and ask yourself why you want to GG every game.
https://imgur.com/a/o95hENR
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On November 13 2020 15:40 pinky29 wrote:I'm the OP so I think it is obligatory when I see so many people "riled up" about why some people don't GG. Case in point: I say HF; opponent also says it too. The game ends (if you really want to know why he lost...I hid mass BC with a hidden expo). This was not some cheesy short game. What do I deserve? Judge for yourself and ask yourself why you want to GG every game. https://imgur.com/a/o95hENR
Someone else's shitty behavior is a poor excuse for not being mannered yourself.
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On November 13 2020 16:17 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2020 15:40 pinky29 wrote:I'm the OP so I think it is obligatory when I see so many people "riled up" about why some people don't GG. Case in point: I say HF; opponent also says it too. The game ends (if you really want to know why he lost...I hid mass BC with a hidden expo). This was not some cheesy short game. What do I deserve? Judge for yourself and ask yourself why you want to GG every game. https://imgur.com/a/o95hENR Someone else's shitty behavior is a poor excuse for not being mannered yourself.
That's what pisses me off the most. The hypocrisy and pretending the higher moral ground when it's not present. If you have the good manners, how can they disappear the second you lose or your enemy rages? And these people have sometimes the audacity to teach others about manners on the ladder, lol.
The best answer was given by NoNy(I believe) - treat others like you want to be treated and don't pretend some manners if you don't have any. If you don't care, don't care, if you like to receive GG, GG yourself.
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On November 10 2020 18:33 alexanderzero wrote:
GG stands for "good game." In a tournament setting or when playing with friends I will always say it, but in random ladder matches I sometimes choose not to say it if the game wasn't good. Also the loss could be my fault for making a stupid mistake but that especially means its not a 'good game' so why should I say that it was? Honestly people saying that you have to gg every game or else you're secretly an angry little demon inside is just a meme. What amount of the player base really says gg every single game no matter what? Only a tiny minority based on watching streams, spectating various matches and playing in the ladder. Guaranteed almost every person saying "no gg no skill" doesn't say gg every game.
But as for the barcode issue, it seems like someone is maybe a little bit full of themselves if they think they're having worse matches against barcodes because they're getting recognized on the ladder in mid masters. Playing with a barcode is fair and increasingly necessary for people as they climb higher to the top of the ladder. Also how thoughtless is your play style if people can win against you just by knowing who you are?
I think majority of people don't connect GG/Good game with the played match being a good match/game.
"No GG, no skill" also doesn't have anything to do with BM etc. "No GG, no skill" means if you don't lose, you don't learn.
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On November 14 2020 01:15 Ryndika wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2020 18:33 alexanderzero wrote:
GG stands for "good game." In a tournament setting or when playing with friends I will always say it, but in random ladder matches I sometimes choose not to say it if the game wasn't good. Also the loss could be my fault for making a stupid mistake but that especially means its not a 'good game' so why should I say that it was? Honestly people saying that you have to gg every game or else you're secretly an angry little demon inside is just a meme. What amount of the player base really says gg every single game no matter what? Only a tiny minority based on watching streams, spectating various matches and playing in the ladder. Guaranteed almost every person saying "no gg no skill" doesn't say gg every game.
But as for the barcode issue, it seems like someone is maybe a little bit full of themselves if they think they're having worse matches against barcodes because they're getting recognized on the ladder in mid masters. Playing with a barcode is fair and increasingly necessary for people as they climb higher to the top of the ladder. Also how thoughtless is your play style if people can win against you just by knowing who you are? I think majority of people don't connect GG/Good game with the played match being a good match/game. "No GG, no skill" also doesn't have anything to do with BM etc. "No GG, no skill" means if you don't lose, you don't learn.
Yeah that’s how I’d see it. Or at least if you don’t frame a loss as going mano o mano and coming up short in some way and wanting to do better for next time.
And yeah sometimes your opponent doesn’t deserve it, just GG. It is the handshake of the eSports world. The game is better for the convention.
Used to play a lot of pool with friends before Covid, a lot of friendly rivalries there. There’s the odd frame where someone flukes an outrageous shot unintentionally, what usually happens is said person holds their hands up and says it’s a fluke, their opponent jokingly calls them a lucky bastard and there’s the handshake and the ‘well played’.
Aside from anything else, in the pool scenario if they’re on the black you’ve given them a shot to win the match anyway, yes a fluke can be annoying but you haven’t outplayed them enough to deny them the shot.
So you GG and internally vow that you’re not going to give them the chance next time, fluke or not.
And yes it’s just more pleasant, if a nearby table if showing some chops sometimes we’ll invite them in, or them us and especially outside the friend group you cant be firing out the BM and the salt.
Anyway yes I’m sure my wall of text will get a few ‘it’s the internet’ responses, and yes it is. Perhaps as the first generation of online gamers (myself included) get older and less tolerant of bullshit toxicity things will trend to be a bit less toxic
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On November 14 2020 07:49 Riner1212 wrote:
i never gg.
Living on the edge
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On November 10 2020 01:30 CreightonOlsen wrote:
"No matter what happens in life, be good to people. Being good to people is a wonderful legacy to leave behind."
-Taylor Swift
Good call CreighhtonOlsen. Fan of your style in general.
I always GG. It’s not about my opponent. They can beat me in any devious way. It’s part of the game. Always has been. Good on them. I don’t expect it in return (we all have different mindsets) and I don’t need it. I do however really like it, because it feels like they are implicitly saying ‘I respect the battle we just had’ and there’s more connection. I also GG ppl who BM me (eg. offensive gg’ers etc). If you really don’t get too offended by that stuff then it actually does a lot to blunt their BM and doesn’t give them much to work with which is often what they want. BMers are seeking a response. Why not give them the last thing they want? Anyway, I can feel happier about myself and my choices by being nicer and who cares about what negative thing some stranger over the other side of the world? We know there are always some assholes out there. That’s why I GG, because I’m keeping up my side of the handshake interaction.
(Low level diamond btw, so all manner of strange games, bad play and good)
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you should always gg. period. no matter what. even if you get cannon rush. what gg means is that you acknowledge that your opponent beat you in a fair game. that you need to practice more and you for the time being are a worse player than him. it is not about if the game was good or bad. I know literally GG means good game but that's not how it is supposed to be used. Good is relative. is cannon rush good? is tempest rush good? what is good? nobody can say every1 has a different definition.
thus, imho you always type gg before leaving a game. it is a sign of maturity. I don't even take people seriously who don't gg.
edit: I think literally gg would be equivalent to wp. if you think the game was really good, just type wp too.
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I never gg on the ladder or say anything at all for that matter. People on the ladder may as well be bots to me. Doubly so if they don't even choose to have an identity.
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On November 16 2020 03:47 Therapist. wrote:
I never gg on the ladder or say anything at all for that matter. People on the ladder may as well be bots to me. Doubly so if they don't even choose to have an identity.
Thats a bit of a shame, sc2 can be quite lonely I think. Always good to have a chat with your opponent about how their job hunt is going, if they have any kids, what their fav food is, how they are coping with COVID, how much sc2 they play, if they would be named differently if they were the opposite gender and what the election results in America will mean to people working the car industry.
Anyhow, we all play and communicate differently I guess.
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I feel no GG is like leaving your home without saying "good bye".
I dont think it means literally "good game" could have been an awful game and yet GG.
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On November 17 2020 03:54 kawoq wrote:
I feel no GG is like leaving your home without saying "good bye".
I dont think it means literally "good game" could have been an awful game and yet GG.
I live alone in a flat, I literally leave my home without saying "good bye" Now I have another reason other than being a hating raging *nuked*
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and if you have a partner? would you say pleasantries?
if you like to hear things you lead by example or practice it yourself. that is the point. there is no expectation--no harm or foul--of it in return, that is another part of the practice.
you would like to hear something when they mean it and in some ways, saying it all the time diminishes it.
but that was never 1:1 with just pressing 4 to 5 buttons as the simplest and one of the only ways of showing respect.
bottom line is, you've desensitized yourselves to receiving a simple phrase as congratulations. rather, the game and its happenings are it. maybe that is in part due to being lazy yourself along with not seeing the point in it.
there's no real point in analyzing it. it happens for a reason, i and many other people do not care that much.
but i know that when i'm teaching someone more of the game so they can find more enjoyment, i do teach them the habit of hitting 'gg' because for certain people, it shows the basic level of maturity to accept a loss without the salt.
there are so many times where the disappointment in losing shows, and maybe they will talk immediately about it with me, but they disregard their opponent as a human being in varying degrees. i think someone even wrote in this thread that they might as well be bots. to that i will say that they obviously aren't, otherwise you'd be playing against AI more often on your own. you play people because deep down you know they are people and they are the best interactive opponent you can get with this game. and that is the same sort of logic i apply when i ask them how they would feel if they receive a 'gg' after a long and hard game.
that is all to say, you lose because you did not problem solve the solutions or see them in advance.
over a long period of time, i notice that the person shows abnormal improvement with certain thoughts regarding improvement or their respect for random strangers on the internet, and they'll sometimes have conversations with their opponents whereas it would nearly never occur before.
on the other side, over my nearly 10,000 games of SC2 over 10 years, people who do not 'gg' really do tend to flame after a game instead.
that's like a pathway that would open if you're interested in it. that's not for everyone and it is still rare, but we are also saying the effort required is absolute minimal.
like being pleasant with every girl vs just only with the attractive ones.
you'd be surprised how many you'd like to talk with or in other words how many you miss a conversation with because you say nothing at all.
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