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On November 10 2020 18:33 alexanderzero wrote:
GG stands for "good game." In a tournament setting or when playing with friends I will always say it, but in random ladder matches I sometimes choose not to say it if the game wasn't good. Also the loss could be my fault for making a stupid mistake but that especially means its not a 'good game' so why should I say that it was? Honestly people saying that you have to gg every game or else you're secretly an angry little demon inside is just a meme. What amount of the player base really says gg every single game no matter what? Only a tiny minority based on watching streams, spectating various matches and playing in the ladder. Guaranteed almost every person saying "no gg no skill" doesn't say gg every game.
But as for the barcode issue, it seems like someone is maybe a little bit full of themselves if they think they're having worse matches against barcodes because they're getting recognized on the ladder in mid masters. Playing with a barcode is fair and increasingly necessary for people as they climb higher to the top of the ladder. Also how thoughtless is your play style if people can win against you just by knowing who you are?
I think majority of people don't connect GG/Good game with the played match being a good match/game.
"No GG, no skill" also doesn't have anything to do with BM etc. "No GG, no skill" means if you don't lose, you don't learn.
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Northern Ireland25354 Posts
On November 14 2020 01:15 Ryndika wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2020 18:33 alexanderzero wrote:
GG stands for "good game." In a tournament setting or when playing with friends I will always say it, but in random ladder matches I sometimes choose not to say it if the game wasn't good. Also the loss could be my fault for making a stupid mistake but that especially means its not a 'good game' so why should I say that it was? Honestly people saying that you have to gg every game or else you're secretly an angry little demon inside is just a meme. What amount of the player base really says gg every single game no matter what? Only a tiny minority based on watching streams, spectating various matches and playing in the ladder. Guaranteed almost every person saying "no gg no skill" doesn't say gg every game.
But as for the barcode issue, it seems like someone is maybe a little bit full of themselves if they think they're having worse matches against barcodes because they're getting recognized on the ladder in mid masters. Playing with a barcode is fair and increasingly necessary for people as they climb higher to the top of the ladder. Also how thoughtless is your play style if people can win against you just by knowing who you are? I think majority of people don't connect GG/Good game with the played match being a good match/game. "No GG, no skill" also doesn't have anything to do with BM etc. "No GG, no skill" means if you don't lose, you don't learn.
Yeah that’s how I’d see it. Or at least if you don’t frame a loss as going mano o mano and coming up short in some way and wanting to do better for next time.
And yeah sometimes your opponent doesn’t deserve it, just GG. It is the handshake of the eSports world. The game is better for the convention.
Used to play a lot of pool with friends before Covid, a lot of friendly rivalries there. There’s the odd frame where someone flukes an outrageous shot unintentionally, what usually happens is said person holds their hands up and says it’s a fluke, their opponent jokingly calls them a lucky bastard and there’s the handshake and the ‘well played’.
Aside from anything else, in the pool scenario if they’re on the black you’ve given them a shot to win the match anyway, yes a fluke can be annoying but you haven’t outplayed them enough to deny them the shot.
So you GG and internally vow that you’re not going to give them the chance next time, fluke or not.
And yes it’s just more pleasant, if a nearby table if showing some chops sometimes we’ll invite them in, or them us and especially outside the friend group you cant be firing out the BM and the salt.
Anyway yes I’m sure my wall of text will get a few ‘it’s the internet’ responses, and yes it is. Perhaps as the first generation of online gamers (myself included) get older and less tolerant of bullshit toxicity things will trend to be a bit less toxic
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On November 14 2020 07:49 Riner1212 wrote:
i never gg.
Living on the edge
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On November 10 2020 01:30 CreightonOlsen wrote:
"No matter what happens in life, be good to people. Being good to people is a wonderful legacy to leave behind."
-Taylor Swift
Good call CreighhtonOlsen. Fan of your style in general.
I always GG. It’s not about my opponent. They can beat me in any devious way. It’s part of the game. Always has been. Good on them. I don’t expect it in return (we all have different mindsets) and I don’t need it. I do however really like it, because it feels like they are implicitly saying ‘I respect the battle we just had’ and there’s more connection. I also GG ppl who BM me (eg. offensive gg’ers etc). If you really don’t get too offended by that stuff then it actually does a lot to blunt their BM and doesn’t give them much to work with which is often what they want. BMers are seeking a response. Why not give them the last thing they want? Anyway, I can feel happier about myself and my choices by being nicer and who cares about what negative thing some stranger over the other side of the world? We know there are always some assholes out there. That’s why I GG, because I’m keeping up my side of the handshake interaction.
(Low level diamond btw, so all manner of strange games, bad play and good)
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you should always gg. period. no matter what. even if you get cannon rush. what gg means is that you acknowledge that your opponent beat you in a fair game. that you need to practice more and you for the time being are a worse player than him. it is not about if the game was good or bad. I know literally GG means good game but that's not how it is supposed to be used. Good is relative. is cannon rush good? is tempest rush good? what is good? nobody can say every1 has a different definition.
thus, imho you always type gg before leaving a game. it is a sign of maturity. I don't even take people seriously who don't gg.
edit: I think literally gg would be equivalent to wp. if you think the game was really good, just type wp too.
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I never gg on the ladder or say anything at all for that matter. People on the ladder may as well be bots to me. Doubly so if they don't even choose to have an identity.
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On November 16 2020 03:47 Therapist. wrote:
I never gg on the ladder or say anything at all for that matter. People on the ladder may as well be bots to me. Doubly so if they don't even choose to have an identity.
Thats a bit of a shame, sc2 can be quite lonely I think. Always good to have a chat with your opponent about how their job hunt is going, if they have any kids, what their fav food is, how they are coping with COVID, how much sc2 they play, if they would be named differently if they were the opposite gender and what the election results in America will mean to people working the car industry.
Anyhow, we all play and communicate differently I guess.
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I feel no GG is like leaving your home without saying "good bye".
I dont think it means literally "good game" could have been an awful game and yet GG.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 17 2020 03:54 kawoq wrote:
I feel no GG is like leaving your home without saying "good bye".
I dont think it means literally "good game" could have been an awful game and yet GG.
I live alone in a flat, I literally leave my home without saying "good bye"  Now I have another reason other than being a hating raging *nuked*
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and if you have a partner? would you say pleasantries?
if you like to hear things you lead by example or practice it yourself. that is the point. there is no expectation--no harm or foul--of it in return, that is another part of the practice.
you would like to hear something when they mean it and in some ways, saying it all the time diminishes it.
but that was never 1:1 with just pressing 4 to 5 buttons as the simplest and one of the only ways of showing respect.
bottom line is, you've desensitized yourselves to receiving a simple phrase as congratulations. rather, the game and its happenings are it. maybe that is in part due to being lazy yourself along with not seeing the point in it.
there's no real point in analyzing it. it happens for a reason, i and many other people do not care that much.
but i know that when i'm teaching someone more of the game so they can find more enjoyment, i do teach them the habit of hitting 'gg' because for certain people, it shows the basic level of maturity to accept a loss without the salt.
there are so many times where the disappointment in losing shows, and maybe they will talk immediately about it with me, but they disregard their opponent as a human being in varying degrees. i think someone even wrote in this thread that they might as well be bots. to that i will say that they obviously aren't, otherwise you'd be playing against AI more often on your own. you play people because deep down you know they are people and they are the best interactive opponent you can get with this game. and that is the same sort of logic i apply when i ask them how they would feel if they receive a 'gg' after a long and hard game.
that is all to say, you lose because you did not problem solve the solutions or see them in advance.
over a long period of time, i notice that the person shows abnormal improvement with certain thoughts regarding improvement or their respect for random strangers on the internet, and they'll sometimes have conversations with their opponents whereas it would nearly never occur before.
on the other side, over my nearly 10,000 games of SC2 over 10 years, people who do not 'gg' really do tend to flame after a game instead.
that's like a pathway that would open if you're interested in it. that's not for everyone and it is still rare, but we are also saying the effort required is absolute minimal.
like being pleasant with every girl vs just only with the attractive ones.
you'd be surprised how many you'd like to talk with or in other words how many you miss a conversation with because you say nothing at all.
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