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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On October 03 2020 21:16 WombaT wrote: GG to me is the equivalent of the handshake after a match, just a civil convention that is the default unless your opponent has done something egregious. Exactly. Leaving the game without a gg says more about you than the other person. If you played terribly, it's not your opponents fault. On November 09 2020 04:07 Ben... wrote: I don't gg anymore but that's because I mute everyone the second the game starts. The amount of racist and homophobic shit being said combined with the constant balance whining and toxicity from tryhard terrans got tiring so I just got rid of the issue altogether. I don't mean any ill will by not gging, I just don't want to deal with the chat aspect of the game anymore. I also mute everyone when the game starts. But I still gg if I lose. Those aren't mutually exclusive. | ||
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112StaminaX
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
it's either a thing with ego, or simply not caring. one or the other. ego: - salt - diminishing own mistakes - overvaluing self/performance - not lucid - equating temporary success to good play and vice versa. no cares: - lazy - unsure of its benefits - no expectations one way or another some people's form of gging--or their ego in other words--extends to bming because they don't think you deserve something. it's not the same as congratulating someone for stealing your girlfriend. it's not even close to the same level. the only thing being stolen from you is the reality that you're proficient at winning. let's say your passion for a game stays even though the community becomes smaller and your skill level raises. you'll start not taking your opponents for granted, being the human beings that they are, because believe it or not, they're the basis for your practice. the better your opponent, the better you can become. and so it's only natural to show respect and at least gg. not gging isn't disrespect however. | ||
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CreightonOlsen
United States366 Posts
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Darkness2k11
Chile313 Posts
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_fool
Netherlands675 Posts
On November 08 2020 14:49 MinesMakeWidows wrote: Why would I be someones alt? I'm in diamond. . . Do you have any idea the kinds of builds that people do in diamond? I just proxy 2 raxed a zerg, he cancelled the hatch built 3 spines and went 1 base mutalisk while making queens none stop. I bypassed the spines with a drop and you know what I found out?? Apparently 4 queens can stop 8 marines+4 hellions + medivac + tank, while just yoloing mutas into my main base / natural. I have never seen anything like it in my life. Some guy with a 20 IQ build weasels out a win. He decided to go 1 base muta when he saw nothing but marines, I happenend to be transitioning into mech after the proxy did its job. 1 base mutalisk in SC2 in 2020. It was the worst possible thing to do and it worked because I couldn't imagine anyone at this mmr being so god damn stupid to do something like that. But people like you will think someone that bad deserves a GG. Right, 1 Base mutalisk is the new meta. It's funny how you use this as an example where you shouldn't gg. I mean, the story line is epic. The guy is way behind because he gets caught with his pants down. In a blind panic, he decides to go with what he knows best, even though the world has told him that it's a bad idea. And low and behold: he pulls off a miraculous win. If you don't gg that, then what do you gg? Also: if you ever met a person with 20 IQ you'd realise that they are not able to make 1base muta work. Or use a spoon, for that matter. Get your facts straight. On November 10 2020 01:30 CreightonOlsen wrote: "No matter what happens in life, be good to people. Being good to people is a wonderful legacy to leave behind." -Taylor Swift Kudos to CreightonOlson for bringing the love  | ||
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LGC.Peppy
12 Posts
I'm not sure if the fact they were barcodes had anything to do with it but since then I just gg in tournaments or when I feel my opponent outplays me for ladder games. In general i've never felt disprespected when my opponent hasn't gg'd me on ladder, and I don't see why anyone should. Also I don't think there is any merit in gg'ing every game as a way to enforce yourself to acknwoledge your opponent played well in order to keep a cool head. Honestly, any issues relating to your emotional state are rooted far deeper than typing GG at the end of a match. see To conclude my ramblings you should do whatever the fuck you do to everyone else | ||
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alexanderzero
United States659 Posts
But as for the barcode issue, it seems like someone is maybe a little bit full of themselves if they think they're having worse matches against barcodes because they're getting recognized on the ladder in mid masters. Playing with a barcode is fair and increasingly necessary for people as they climb higher to the top of the ladder. Also how thoughtless is your play style if people can win against you just by knowing who you are? | ||
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coffeesession
62 Posts
Fate of the universe depends on such all-important questions. | ||
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Sorusaba
275 Posts
On November 08 2020 14:49 MinesMakeWidows wrote: Why would I be someones alt? I'm in diamond. . . Do you have any idea the kinds of builds that people do in diamond? I just proxy 2 raxed a zerg, he cancelled the hatch built 3 spines and went 1 base mutalisk while making queens none stop. I bypassed the spines with a drop and you know what I found out?? Apparently 4 queens can stop 8 marines+4 hellions + medivac + tank, while just yoloing mutas into my main base / natural. I have never seen anything like it in my life. Some guy with a 20 IQ build weasels out a win. He decided to go 1 base muta when he saw nothing but marines, I happenend to be transitioning into mech after the proxy did its job. 1 base mutalisk in SC2 in 2020. It was the worst possible thing to do and it worked because I couldn't imagine anyone at this mmr being so god damn stupid to do something like that. But people like you will think someone that bad deserves a GG. Right, 1 Base mutalisk is the new meta. Sounds like you got outplayed by an intelligent & creative player, though I'm not surprised someone who thinks typing GG is something a player "deserves" is unable to admit and learn from defeat. You can do better than that - we all can! | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
i tried not saying gg for a while, and then i got into the habit of saying gg aloud to my stream but not typing it. felt weird. so now im trying to remember to say it every game again | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24775 Posts
On November 11 2020 04:30 Sorusaba wrote: Sounds like you got outplayed by an intelligent & creative player, though I'm not surprised someone who thinks typing GG is something a player "deserves" is unable to admit and learn from defeat. You can do better than that - we all can! I'm rather happy our one-base mutalisking genius managed to pull that particular win off, gotta say. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On October 03 2020 23:53 Anc13nt wrote: there's nothing wrong with refusing to gg out of disappointment but I don't think you should call them out for being barcode because most barcodes only do it for anonymity, not for any gameplay advantage. Whatever advantage they are getting is pretty small and even smaller if you play standard. There are plenty of more annoying things like random and players who have no hope of winning but that is just my opinion. I do think you might be overly concerned about BM/GM based on your posts. Honestly, it is not a big deal at all whether you are BM, GM or neither. I never understood people who were super offended by BM, personally. I think it says a lot about someone who BMs and doesn't gg. No one would choose to be in a toxic environment when they don't have to be, in any arena in a life. And those that openly choose to be toxic, it says a lot. It's why I mute first thing, say gl hf and gg if I lose. Am I offended by BM? No, but it shouldn't be part of the game, it isn't why I play the game, and that's why I use mute to turn it off. I don't desire to play SC2 to be in a toxic environment. But your defense of BM and stating that you don't gg when disappointed says a lot about your ability to handle your emotions. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 11 2020 22:55 BronzeKnee wrote: I think it says a lot about someone who BMs and doesn't gg. No one would choose to be in a toxic environment when they don't have to be, in any arena in a life. And those that openly choose to be toxic, it says a lot. It's why I mute first thing, say gl hf and gg if I lose. Am I offended by BM? No, but it shouldn't be part of the game, it isn't why I play the game, and that's why I use mute to turn it off. I don't desire to play SC2 to be in a toxic environment. But your defense of BM and stating that you don't gg when disappointed says a lot about your ability to handle your emotions. It's a randomly selected opponent in the internet environment. There will be BM and toxicity. It's the nature of how it works. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24775 Posts
On November 11 2020 22:55 BronzeKnee wrote: I think it says a lot about someone who BMs and doesn't gg. No one would choose to be in a toxic environment when they don't have to be, in any arena in a life. And those that openly choose to be toxic, it says a lot. It's why I mute first thing, say gl hf and gg if I lose. Am I offended by BM? No, but it shouldn't be part of the game, it isn't why I play the game, and that's why I use mute to turn it off. I don't desire to play SC2 to be in a toxic environment. But your defense of BM and stating that you don't gg when disappointed says a lot about your ability to handle your emotions. I'd have zero issue with people just saying they BM to let off some steam and anger, rather than strange rationalisations as to why the videogaming equivalent of a sportsmanlike handshake shouldn't apply because opponent did x build and is bad despite winning or whatever. It's a fine line for me, and a subjective one to many I guess. Playing with two players who've muted each other and you may as well just be playing against Alphastar or w/e. A bit of good-natured banter, or some witty salt or whatever I feel does enhance the experience a bit, makes me feel like I'm playing against a living-breathing human. Bit of good-natured smack, wee handshake after all is said and done, all good in my books. I have zero tolerance for people just spamming abuse though, would rather be playing against a robot then. I just find it strange that the mere idea that x space on the internet should aspire to be reasonably friendly is seen as such a weird proposition. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 11 2020 23:36 WombaT wrote: I'd have zero issue with people just saying they BM to let off some steam and anger, rather than strange rationalisations as to why the videogaming equivalent of a sportsmanlike handshake shouldn't apply because opponent did x build and is bad despite winning or whatever. It's a fine line for me, and a subjective one to many I guess. Playing with two players who've muted each other and you may as well just be playing against Alphastar or w/e. A bit of good-natured banter, or some witty salt or whatever I feel does enhance the experience a bit, makes me feel like I'm playing against a living-breathing human. Bit of good-natured smack, wee handshake after all is said and done, all good in my books. I have zero tolerance for people just spamming abuse though, would rather be playing against a robot then. I just find it strange that the mere idea that x space on the internet should aspire to be reasonably friendly is seen as such a weird proposition. Technically speaking the aspiration is about to be doomed. Let's say we have 200k English speaking users of the SC2 on the ladder. SC2 section of TL.net attracts 10k people, another 10k people is subbed to some streamers showing a positive behaviour and promoting it(e.g. Neuro). 10 %, the rest is what the depths of the internet gave us  And somehow I think I am too generous.Also some people like me hate hypocrisy. And I find it pretty pathetic to wish GL HF when you hope neither to happen. (e.g. smurfs, cheesers) That's when I BM you. You want to have a nice place? Let me have the option to mute chat by default on the ladder. I just want to play games, let it be unmuted during the pause to see WTF is happening, give me the mute icon so the opponent knows what's happening. It's not coop, it's not a teamgame, it's not a tournament. I don't want to chat with you, I hate you and I channel all my inner hatred towards beating you. If you want to - imagine me like a Sith. I certainly am not a pathetic Jedi when I ladder | ||
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pinky29
57 Posts
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Jealous
10111 Posts
On November 13 2020 15:40 pinky29 wrote: I'm the OP so I think it is obligatory when I see so many people "riled up" about why some people don't GG. Case in point: I say HF; opponent also says it too. The game ends (if you really want to know why he lost...I hid mass BC with a hidden expo). This was not some cheesy short game. What do I deserve? Judge for yourself and ask yourself why you want to GG every game. https://imgur.com/a/o95hENR Someone else's shitty behavior is a poor excuse for not being mannered yourself. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 13 2020 16:17 Jealous wrote: Someone else's shitty behavior is a poor excuse for not being mannered yourself. That's what pisses me off the most. The hypocrisy and pretending the higher moral ground when it's not present. If you have the good manners, how can they disappear the second you lose or your enemy rages? And these people have sometimes the audacity to teach others about manners on the ladder, lol.The best answer was given by NoNy(I believe) - treat others like you want to be treated and don't pretend some manners if you don't have any. If you don't care, don't care, if you like to receive GG, GG yourself. | ||
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