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On July 26 2019 03:14 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 03:07 Xain0n wrote:On July 26 2019 02:57 Ej_ wrote:
I am happy that players sympathize with a GSL finalist without a seed, over a clown streamer.
Nobody said what kind of popularity contest this is. You might not like him but PartinG is one of the greatest Protoss in sc2 history just as much as he is a clown streamer. Trap must have a GSL vs The World spot, in any of case. Yeah but PartinG is at the vote count he's at because he's a popular character who doesn't play standard, not because of his accomplishments. Similar to how people vote for Fantasy because he's Fantasy, not because he's better than the other available options.
Yeah maybe I misunderstood here but even if I have a history of disliking PartinG I wouldn't reduce him to being just a "clown streamer". I love Fanta for exactly the same reasons others love the Soul Toss - because he has character, and can pull some weird fucking rabbits out of his hat. They both bring plenty of fun and passion to the scene. And at the end of the day, we can't deny that both of them are among the top players in the world. Both belong just fine in this tournament.
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I just read through the thread and I can't believe that people are complaining about a player asking for votes. This tournament has always been clownish in how it decides on which players attend. (GSL champion GuMiho being excluded. Tier 3 Zerg Scarlett attending all of them) As long as nobody encourages people to cheat and vote multiple times, anything is fair.
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Let's vote for the weakest players so that foreigners can win :D .
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to be fair Cure is on fire and also deserves an spot.. In my opinion more than INno or Gumiho.
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On July 26 2019 02:45 DarkAngel2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 02:29 batatm wrote:On July 26 2019 02:13 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote:
Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event. I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players. how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules. Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting? The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments. That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans.
I agree. Before being allowed to vote people should be required to complete a questionnaire to prove if they're a real fan or not. Extremely unfair that Trap gets voted in by non-fans.
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Wow Trap now in the lead. Well done community.
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We need to give Trap a chance man
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I'm surprised nobody has brought up last year's Kelazhur debacle yet. The fact of the matter is there's no fair way to define or weed out people who aren't "true" SC2 fans, and why would anyone even want to make that decision anyway? Even if somebody voted that hasn't watched a game of SC2 in their lives, this might be a good opportunity to get them to start watching and potentially grow our community. The only potential unfairness about this voting system is if there isn't enough policing of people who may be making multiple accounts to get more than one vote.
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Go Trap! He is making some serious progress in the poll
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i hope both trap and stats make it
trap has been more consistent but when stats is on he's phenomenal (swept serral at HSC, beat maru in ST in an incredible series)
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I had to throw down for Trap, he may be on Sin Air but Ill be damned if I don't respect him after last GSL.
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On July 25 2019 06:54 CynicalDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 04:23 Elentos wrote:On July 25 2019 04:21 vult wrote:
Voted TY, soO and Trap. I believe Trap earned it from his success this year and we have seen enough of Stats recently. There's never a time where you've seen enough of Stats. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/H2zEGOI.gif) ^ this
I vote for Stats, TY and Rogue
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On July 26 2019 08:55 Kitai wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has brought up last year's Kelazhur debacle yet. ...
Kelazhur getting in last year was stupid.
I think the GSL vs the World vote should be a weighted average of various factors. I do not know what it should be exactly. However, fan voting could be one component. Player/peer voting could be another. A quantitative component could be used as part of the score too, something such as the aligulac score.
Another thought I had was just take all of the players that had enough points to qualify for the vote and have them play a qualifier for GSL vs the World.
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On July 26 2019 13:49 texture13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 08:55 Kitai wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has brought up last year's Kelazhur debacle yet. ... Kelazhur getting in last year was stupid. I think the GSL vs the World vote should be a weighted average of various factors. I do not know what it should be exactly. However, fan voting could be one component. Player/peer voting could be another. A quantitative component could be used as part of the score too, something such as the aligulac score. Another thought I had was just take all of the players that had enough points to qualify for the vote and have them play a qualifier for GSL vs the World.
I can see where you're coming from, but I don't much like the idea of qualifiers which would cut out community participation in the matter. A weighted system might be kind of cool though. Players could vote from the SC2 client and it could be weighted by their ladder rank, in addition to web-based voting. That way experienced players hold more weight, but SC2 newcomers could still participate.
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Man I hope the Chinese scene comes through and Innovation can make it.
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On July 26 2019 15:00 Kitai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 13:49 texture13 wrote:On July 26 2019 08:55 Kitai wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has brought up last year's Kelazhur debacle yet. ... Kelazhur getting in last year was stupid. I think the GSL vs the World vote should be a weighted average of various factors. I do not know what it should be exactly. However, fan voting could be one component. Player/peer voting could be another. A quantitative component could be used as part of the score too, something such as the aligulac score. Another thought I had was just take all of the players that had enough points to qualify for the vote and have them play a qualifier for GSL vs the World. I can see where you're coming from, but I don't much like the idea of qualifiers which would cut out community participation in the matter. A weighted system might be kind of cool though. Players could vote from the SC2 client and it could be weighted by their ladder rank, in addition to web-based voting. That way experienced players hold more weight, but SC2 newcomers could still participate.
Why should a higher ranked player have more say than a lower one?
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On July 26 2019 15:27 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 15:00 Kitai wrote:On July 26 2019 13:49 texture13 wrote:On July 26 2019 08:55 Kitai wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has brought up last year's Kelazhur debacle yet. ... Kelazhur getting in last year was stupid. I think the GSL vs the World vote should be a weighted average of various factors. I do not know what it should be exactly. However, fan voting could be one component. Player/peer voting could be another. A quantitative component could be used as part of the score too, something such as the aligulac score. Another thought I had was just take all of the players that had enough points to qualify for the vote and have them play a qualifier for GSL vs the World. I can see where you're coming from, but I don't much like the idea of qualifiers which would cut out community participation in the matter. A weighted system might be kind of cool though. Players could vote from the SC2 client and it could be weighted by their ladder rank, in addition to web-based voting. That way experienced players hold more weight, but SC2 newcomers could still participate. Why should a higher ranked player have more say than a lower one?
I don't necessarily think that should be the case. One might argue that higher ranked players put more time and effort into playing and understanding the game, and therefore should get more say in the players they want to watch/cheer for/learn from. It could also prevent something like last year's Kelazhur problem, where an outside community blitzed TL to vote Kelazhur in, even though he was far behind in the polls before said event and was pretty clearly not the foreign world's best Terran hope. I was just brainstorming a way it could be implemented if a weighted system was used.
Personally, I don't much care either way. I'm happy with the current system and I would be equally happy with a weighted system. I'm just glad the fans get some sort of say.
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