StarCraft II's summer classic returns to Seoul on August 15-18 at GSL vs. The World 2019. Eight players from Korea's GSL and eight players from the WCS Circuit will compete for over 100,000,000 Korean Won in prize money.
Last year's competition saw Finland's Serral topple the proud Korean representatives on their home turf, a precursor to his ultimate triumph at the 2018 WCS Global Finals. Since then, Korean pros have struck back at Serral at international events such as IEM Katowice and WESG. Now comes a crucial step on the path to redemption: returning the GSL vs. The World title to Korea.
Team Korea: Fan Vote
Eight players will play for Team Korea. The Terran, Protoss, and Zerg players who have earned the most WCS Korea points so far this year have been invited: Maru, Dark, and Classic. Team Korea's remaining five players will be decided by the TL.net fan vote.
Here's how the voting works:
The highest vote recipient of each TL.net faction vote (Terran, Protoss, Zerg) will earn a spot on team Korea.
The remaining two spots on Team Korea will go to the two players who receive the next-highest number of votes, counted across all three faction votes. So even if your favorite player doesn't win their faction vote outright, your vote can still help them earn a spot on Team Korea.
You must login with a valid TL.net account in order to vote. You can register here.
Voting will close on Thursday, Aug 01 7:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
GuMiho (고병재): Unpredictable and chaotic are words often used to describe GuMiho. The mech-Terran pioneer has built his career on a vast array of builds, which he deftly uses to bewilder, blindside, and bulldoze his opponents. Eager to spread the action to every corner of the map, GuMiho is a player who's guaranteed to entertain, regardless of his match's result.
TY (전태양): TY's storied career has seen him rise from child prodigy to become a winner of huge prize pools at the biggest international tournaments. He's achieved this with his stunningly quick hands, as well as his ability to create innovative builds that often become the standard. TY is sure to deliver top-tier Terran play and make your vote worthwhile.
INnoVation (이신형): Few players (if any) can match INnoVation's resume, as he's won ten major titles in tournaments all over the globe. Aptly compared to a robot for his sheer mechanical talent, INnoVation is nigh invincible when he's locked in. While INnoVation has become more inconsistent in recent years, there's nothing like the chance of a big payday to bring out the scariest version of this macro-monster.
Cure (김도욱): Cure may be more on the quiet side as a progamer, but don’t let that fool you—when he's playing at his best, he can go toe-to-toe with anyone in Korea and emerge victorious. While Cure's Cinderella tale of reaching two GSL semifinals may seem like ancient history, he recently said that he's made progress toward overcoming his mental block and playing to the full extent of his abilities in the GSL studio. If you like a bit of a gamble, then Cure is your man.
FanTaSy (정명훈): Choosing StarCraft II over Brood War after returning from military service, one gets the feeling that FanTaSy has unfinished business to take care of. The Brood War champion has brought some of his flair from the original StarCraft to its sequel, showing more proficiency for mech than bio, using dogged harassment to build toward the late game, and refusing to surrender in the face of overwhelming odds.
Bunny (이재선): Always on the move, Bunny works to keep opponents off balance with a constant barrage of attacks and drops. This constant aggression borders on being self-destructive and has given Bunny many a loss. But when Bunny gets his opponent to break first—man, is it impressive.
soO (어윤수): Once the king of kongs and StarCraft II's most sympathetic figure, soO finally escaped his second-place prison with an incredible title run at IEM Katowice 2019. Despite his recent Ro32 elimination in Code S, the long-term story of soO is still that of a player who can overcome any setback or hardship to become a champion. Will you give him a chance to show us what he's really capable of at GSL vs. The World?
Rogue (이병렬): It's been a rough year for 2017 WCS Global Champion Rogue, who has been performing below his usual, championship contender level. Yet, he's still one of the strongest late-game players in StarCraft II, and could be one or two game-play adjustments away from reaching his previous heights. Rogue's best tournament results have historically come in short-term events, making GSL vs. The World the perfect stage to make a full comeback.
Solar (강민수): One of the best players in the world during the first year of Legacy of the Void, Solar has struggled to recapture that form despite having a bright strategic mind. However, his recent run of tournaments results suggests he's ready to step back into title contention, sweeping his Code S Ro32 group and leading Triumphant Song Gaming to the title in the Chinese Team Championship.
RagnaroK (신희범): RagnaroK has been Korea's most intriguing wild card player of 2019. His best performance saw him escape the group of death at IEM Katowice, defeating INnoVation, Solar, and GuMiho. At his worst... well he still hasn't gone past the Code S group stages. With potent late-game skills, the mercurial RagnaroK could become the next elite Zerg in Korea if he can consistently play at his peak level.
Impact (김준혁): Few players are as true to the 'pure' Zerg style as Impact. Every game is a Heart of the Swarm throwback for Impact, who looks to overwhelm his opponents with a flood of cheap, mobile, and plentiful Zerg units (although he does love his Ravager all-ins). Impact has been slowly but surely closing the gap the between himself and the best players in the GSL, and he could be due for another career breakthrough.
Armani (박진혁): Finding success after returning from Korea's mandatory military service is tough, but Armani has cleared the initial hurdles by making it into two Code S tournaments in a row. His clean 2-0 victory over GuMiho in the Code S group stage suggests there may be even more progress to come—perhaps it's time to give one of these old soldiers a chance?
Trap (조성호): As the latest breakout star in the GSL, Trap is a testament to patience and perseverance. Once he figured out how to bring his off-air skills to the GSL stage, his all-around solid play saw him reach the first Code S finals of his career. Having vanquished the likes of INnoVation and Classic in his finals run, Trap will be a top title contender should he compete at GSL vs.The World.
herO (김준호): herO is called the "Smiling Assassin" for a very good reason, as his charming visage contrasts heavily with the nasty, clinical all-ins he brings to the game. While one bad read might spell doom for herO's opponents, he also has a solid standard game to punish those who get too paranoid. For those who think Team World is long overdue for a healthy PROTOSSING, herO is your pick.
Stats (김대엽): Steady at the helm of the Golden Armada, Stats has been the most consistent, high-level Protoss—if not overall player—in Legacy of the Void. Last year, he furthered his reputation by being Serral's closest rival from Korea. Stats came close to defeating Serral in the finals of GSL vs. The World 2018, only to lose in a close 3-4 series. He had a chance to avenge that loss in the finals of BlizzCon but was handed another painful defeat. The third time could be the charm—IF the fans give Stats one more chance to take Serral down.
Dear (백동준): Dear may have reached the peak of his powers in 2013, but he's still showing us glimpses of that imperious form today. Case in point: top eight finishes in both Code S Season 1 and IEM Katowice, as well as a dominant 20-0 streak in PvT. Dear doesn't always make the flashiest plays, but he has a keen instinct for making all of the correct big-picture decisions—an underrated aspect of StarCraft success.
Hurricane (남기웅): Hurricane came out of nowhere to make a semifinal run in the last season of Code S, carving a trail of destruction through the GSL with clever builds and surprising adaptability. Some may question Hurricane's staying power now that he's made landfall, but one doesn't just fluke their way into the top four of Code S. Anyone who takes him lightly is liable to get blown away.
PartinG (원이삭): PartinG's wild and exaggerated antics as a streamer mask the precise, ruthless style he aspires to as a competitive player. There's nothing he'd like better than to pick an opponent apart with a carefully planned build, executed with flawless micro. He's even willing to put his streaming on hold to pursue success in the GSL so he won't squander any opportunity the fans give him.
Don't see it happening but voted TY in hopes that he can overcome Inno's China support. I want a GSL caster to represent GSL at GSL vs the World damn it!
On July 25 2019 04:21 vult wrote: Voted TY, soO and Trap. I believe Trap earned it from his success this year and we have seen enough of Stats recently.
There's never a time where you've seen enough of Stats.
Isn't it problematic that a mostly western site like teamliquid (or am i wrong in that regard) is used to determine the korean representatives in gsl vs world? Apart from popular votes being not the coolest anyways imo.
Weird that Zest is not an option for Protoss... I'd vote for him over any of the six in the poll if I could. Does anyone happen to know why he's not included?
On July 25 2019 04:29 kochanfe wrote: Weird that Zest is not an option for Protoss... I'd vote for him over any of the six in the poll if I could. Does anyone happen to know why he's not included?
Too low in WCS rankings at the time Blizzard made the cut-off.
Damn if this lineup goes through it would be fire: Maru, Dark, Classic (Invited) TY, soO, Stats (Voted) Rogue, INnoVatioN (Remaning votes) That lineup would be dopeee
Damn I feel bad for Trap. In terms of pure results he is definitely the second best Protoss behind Classic this year but he is just getting demolished by Stats and even Parting and herO for some reason :/
Voted for TY, Solar, and herO. TY is looking in much better shape than INnoVation right now, Solar is looking in much better shape than soO, and herO is looking about as strong as Stats, Trap, and Zest (who strangely wasn't even included in the poll).
On July 25 2019 04:33 JJH777 wrote: Damn I feel bad for Trap. In terms of pure results he is definitely the second best Protoss behind Classic this year but he is just getting demolished by Stats and even Parting and herO for some reason :/
On July 25 2019 04:29 kochanfe wrote: Weird that Zest is not an option for Protoss... I'd vote for him over any of the six in the poll if I could. Does anyone happen to know why he's not included?
Too low in WCS rankings at the time Blizzard made the cut-off.
Ah, thank you. That makes sense. I feel like him, herO, Stats, and Trap are all at a very similar level right now, so I'd be fine seeing any one of the three of them get in.
How can you not love TY over Inno?? Watch his streams, his constant attempt to communicate in [improving] English, his nonstop smiles, dizzying arsenal of builds, and of course, the SpeCial bromance <3
But yeah, Inno's always popular w/ these things. Looks promising that both will be able to play via the "next two top votes across all races" clause, I imagine they'll be closest to splitting the vote compared to the other races. Would love to see all of Inno + TY + Maru present, all three have such different yet incredible styles.
On July 25 2019 04:33 JJH777 wrote: Damn I feel bad for Trap. In terms of pure results he is definitely the second best Protoss behind Classic this year but he is just getting demolished by Stats and even Parting and herO for some reason :/
"For some reason" It's a popularity vote dude
I guess that works for Parting but is herO really that popular? I've never thought of him as a super popular player but maybe I just missed it.
It's unfortunate that some of the players with the best chances of beating Serral are losing the popularity contest and yet people will still call Serral the best in the world if he wins this event.
On July 25 2019 04:33 JJH777 wrote: Damn I feel bad for Trap. In terms of pure results he is definitely the second best Protoss behind Classic this year but he is just getting demolished by Stats and even Parting and herO for some reason :/
"For some reason" It's a popularity vote dude
I guess that works for Parting but is herO really that popular? I've never thought of him as a super popular player but maybe I just missed it.
It's unfortunate that some of the players with the best chances of beating Serral are losing the popularity contest and yet people will still call Serral the best in the world if he wins this event.
herO just got a big following from all his international success. All the IEMs he did well in.
On July 25 2019 04:33 JJH777 wrote: Damn I feel bad for Trap. In terms of pure results he is definitely the second best Protoss behind Classic this year but he is just getting demolished by Stats and even Parting and herO for some reason :/
"For some reason" It's a popularity vote dude
I guess that works for Parting.
I voted for Parting and I admit it was a popularity vote. I feel no shame in that.
The toxic troll underbelly of Starcraft's scene will make sure he makes it in then.
Except there was proof for how big of a creep Avilo is.
As a whole Parting has a great personality that only does good for the community. Even if he may not be your cup of tea he's got a big following because a lot of people find him entertaining and he's really good at the game. Just look at his performance in GSL this year.
Actually absurd to compare Parting to Avilo who's got a despicable personality and struggles to maintain NA GM.
On July 25 2019 04:33 JJH777 wrote: Damn I feel bad for Trap. In terms of pure results he is definitely the second best Protoss behind Classic this year but he is just getting demolished by Stats and even Parting and herO for some reason :/
Traps been solid this year and definitely a step up from the Ro16 hell he used to reside in, but he really hasn't shown anything jaw-droppingly good to me.. while I am happy for him , I feel like others may dismiss him fairly quickly for bracket luck, balance luck, or team house environment advantage.. until he becomes a champion I think his ro16 curse will be the resounding feature of his storyline.
On July 25 2019 05:14 Elentos wrote: Reiterating a Korean's plea not to vote for PartinG.
... from a user that goes by the nick «maruisprotoss» 🤔 Was there legit trouble, or just Parting dicking around?
I don't really speak Korean, but the gist of the translations the internet spits out for me is that PartinG accused a Korean amateur (ID: Prince) of stream cheating and possibly maphacking. Even though he was innocent, the guy got so stressed out by PartinG's behavior that he was going to forfeit an amateur tournament (basically designed to build up challenge until the players are ready/willing to play GSL) and he got so stressed he no longer felt like playing in the next GSL qualifiers.
All the incidents in question (except for no-showing a showmatch against TaeJa, that was this month) seem to be from late 2018. The twitch ban I would file as dicking around just like the no-show, but the Prince story is PartinG being actual human waste.
I accidentally voted for PartinG not realising Trap was there. Trap for sure deserves to be there, he's got better results than every toss besides Classic this year.
On July 25 2019 06:47 MarianoSC2 wrote: Rofl what kind of jackasses are voting here? If Parting makes it instead of Trap or Rogue it would be a total disgrace...
I think that Parting will probably get the 5th spot at this rate lol
On July 25 2019 04:21 vult wrote: Voted TY, soO and Trap. I believe Trap earned it from his success this year and we have seen enough of Stats recently.
There's never a time where you've seen enough of Stats.
The change in format was very good for Terran, the fan favourites, and incredibly mean to Trap(he would have been automatically invited in 2017 or 2018 as third in WCS Korea rankings); fortunately it's very likely we'll see him at BlizzCon.
Thus said, I now want to see PartinG vs uThermal with the latter leaving the game without writing gg.
On July 25 2019 06:55 Xain0n wrote: The change in format was very good for Terran, the fan favourites, and incredibly mean to Trap(he would have been authomatically invited in 2017 or 2018 as third in WCS Korea rankings); fortunately it's very likely we'll see him at BlizzCon.
Thus said, I now want to see PartinG vs uThermal with the latter leaving the game without writing gg.
It's just surprising to me that this is the first time since GSL vs the World exists that there wasn't representation of every race in the Korean top 4.
On July 25 2019 04:25 ElPres1dente wrote: Isn't it problematic that a mostly western site like teamliquid (or am i wrong in that regard) is used to determine the korean representatives in gsl vs world? Apart from popular votes being not the coolest anyways imo.
No you're right. Why not put the Korean vote on the main Korean SC2 site? Unless SC2 is truly dead in Korea...
On July 25 2019 04:25 ElPres1dente wrote: Isn't it problematic that a mostly western site like teamliquid (or am i wrong in that regard) is used to determine the korean representatives in gsl vs world? Apart from popular votes being not the coolest anyways imo.
No you're right. Why not put the Korean vote on the main Korean SC2 site? Unless SC2 is truly dead in Korea...
Well, it really should be Blizzard hosting all the votes on the official SC2 page (in each language). Putting it on a 3rd party site has always seemed odd.
hate-bandwagon? The post he linked is downvoted, and PartinG is getting far more votes than his recent performance alone would warrant. I'd say it's more like a fan bandwagon.
On July 25 2019 04:25 ElPres1dente wrote: Isn't it problematic that a mostly western site like teamliquid (or am i wrong in that regard) is used to determine the korean representatives in gsl vs world? Apart from popular votes being not the coolest anyways imo.
No you're right. Why not put the Korean vote on the main Korean SC2 site? Unless SC2 is truly dead in Korea...
Well, it really should be Blizzard hosting all the votes on the official SC2 page (in each language). Putting it on a 3rd party site has always seemed odd.
hate-bandwagon? The post he linked is downvoted, and PartinG is getting far more votes than his recent performance alone would warrant. I'd say it's more like a fan bandwagon.
I would be furious if I were Trap, he earned his spot through hard work, Blizzard could have just made sure the eight spot was given to a Terran.
Edit: I was wondering where Prince was, I thought he retired; I can't read korean, can you guys confirm he doesn't want to play in GSL qualifiers because of Parting's accusations?
On July 25 2019 04:29 kochanfe wrote: Weird that Zest is not an option for Protoss... I'd vote for him over any of the six in the poll if I could. Does anyone happen to know why he's not included?
Zest did not do well enough this year to qualify for the voting process
I'll just post the translation here actually, if that's ok.
TRAP - "In 2017, 2018 GSL vs the World, the top 4 players got their seed but in 2019, it changed without notice, where only the best ranked per race is given a seed and 5 players are via the community votes.. With the usual rules, I thought I would obviously get a seed but right now it feels like I’ve been stabbed in the back, Im so angry and in tears that I can’t sleep..with a notice I would have just said it’s unfair but to discover my name in the list to vote was quite a shock.. Because honestly, I know it’s gonna be hard for me to go through the fan votes and it reminds me of a similar case that happened in 2012 when Proleague ran SC1 and SC2 simultaneously. At that time, the 6 best performing SC2 players were once given 2 spots in GSL code S and 4 in code A and according to the number of wins, Yoonjong (Rain) and I should have got the spots but the system gave it to Rain and Jaedong because the decisive matches (ace matches) counted more and I got put in code A.. Im not mad ´caus Jd got the seed, from the fans pov they would have been happier to see Jd in code S and I wasn’t even comparable to him so I just accepted it (but I still remember it because the people around me were more upset about it at the time) and given the situation now, I remember this and I even think that they might have changed the rules because Im less popular relatively to other players.."
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My own conjecture, Trap is definitely the most deserving of this spot. Of the two people ahead of him in votes, he is 1,600 WCS points ahead of Stats, and 3,000 ahead of PartinG. Though I guess highest level of play isn't what everyone wants to see. Stats and PartinG may have more charisma or interesting games. But if a tournament with the highest level of play interests you, consider voting Trap.
On July 25 2019 09:53 CicadaSC wrote: I'll just post the translation here actually, if that's ok.
TRAP - "In 2017, 2018 GSL vs the World, the top 4 players got their seed but in 2019, it changed without notice, where only the best ranked per race is given a seed and 5 players are via the community votes.. With the usual rules, I thought I would obviously get a seed but right now it feels like I’ve been stabbed in the back, Im so angry and in tears that I can’t sleep..with a notice I would have just said it’s unfair but to discover my name in the list to vote was quite a shock.. Because honestly, I know it’s gonna be hard for me to go through the fan votes and it reminds me of a similar case that happened in 2012 when Proleague ran SC1 and SC2 simultaneously. At that time, the 6 best performing SC2 players were once given 2 spots in GSL code S and 4 in code A and according to the number of wins, Yoonjong (Rain) and I should have got the spots but the system gave it to Rain and Jaedong because the decisive matches (ace matches) counted more and I got put in code A.. Im not mad ´caus Jd got the seed, from the fans pov they would have been happier to see Jd in code S and I wasn’t even comparable to him so I just accepted it (but I still remember it because the people around me were more upset about it at the time) and given the situation now, I remember this and I even think that they might have changed the rules because Im less popular relatively to other players.."
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It's unfortunate that Trap got the short stick out of a similar situation in the past, here it's just Blizzard wanting to invite at least one Terran(despite everyone should know at least two would get voted in anyway); nothing personal but they should at least notified Trap in advance.
On July 25 2019 10:19 batatm wrote: how come parting is second on votes in the protoss section?? in all honesty, he is far from the third best korean protoss right now.
>popular twitch streamer >many foreign fans >Exciting games >Charisma
On July 25 2019 10:19 batatm wrote: how come parting is second on votes in the protoss section?? in all honesty, he is far from the third best korean protoss right now.
>popular twitch streamer >many foreign fans >Exciting games >Charisma
parting hasn't done as well this year compared to most other protoss players on the list. he and hurricane are the only ones not to make it to this season ro16, and he has the least wcs korea points.
On July 25 2019 09:53 CicadaSC wrote: I'll just post the translation here actually, if that's ok.
TRAP - "In 2017, 2018 GSL vs the World, the top 4 players got their seed but in 2019, it changed without notice, where only the best ranked per race is given a seed and 5 players are via the community votes.. With the usual rules, I thought I would obviously get a seed but right now it feels like I’ve been stabbed in the back, Im so angry and in tears that I can’t sleep..with a notice I would have just said it’s unfair but to discover my name in the list to vote was quite a shock.. Because honestly, I know it’s gonna be hard for me to go through the fan votes and it reminds me of a similar case that happened in 2012 when Proleague ran SC1 and SC2 simultaneously. At that time, the 6 best performing SC2 players were once given 2 spots in GSL code S and 4 in code A and according to the number of wins, Yoonjong (Rain) and I should have got the spots but the system gave it to Rain and Jaedong because the decisive matches (ace matches) counted more and I got put in code A.. Im not mad ´caus Jd got the seed, from the fans pov they would have been happier to see Jd in code S and I wasn’t even comparable to him so I just accepted it (but I still remember it because the people around me were more upset about it at the time) and given the situation now, I remember this and I even think that they might have changed the rules because Im less popular relatively to other players.."
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It's unfortunate that Trap got the short stick out of a similar situation in the past, here it's just Blizzard wanting to invite at least one Terran(despite everyone should know at least two would get voted in anyway); nothing personal but they should at least notified Trap in advance.
That sucks. I kind of regret voting for Stats now and I'm not sure why Parting got so many votes instead of Trap.
Edit: Also, I think the rule change seems kind of arbitrary and was a bad idea.
Voted based on player stats again here, felt kinda bad I left parting out, but hopefully he can get in thru the 4th vote and show us some crazy planned BO. He is one of the best in the world at this still. Lineups look really stacked this year.
I love Trap and don’t blame anyone who votes for him. But Dear is the second best Protoss in the world. He should win the fan vote. I saw the 3% and voted for him anyway.
Man, popularity contests can be so ridiculous. Parting should NOT be ahead of Innovation, Rogue, Solar, Trap, herO, Dear, and many others.
I think the voting for GSL vs the world should be a weighted average of various factors. Maybe it should be a combination of fan voting, player voting, and maybe something like the aligulac score. Then it would also be less likely that the results would be Kelazhur-ed, like they were last year. The players have a good opinion about who they think are good, and it would be good to take that into consideration.
I think PartinG and TY are being elevated without really any true results to show for it this year: INnoVation has a WESG belt at least. soO I am 💯 in on that he should be in after Katowice. But Trap is the real crime. Yes he plays for the evil Jin Air empire: but he ABSOLUTELY deserves a spot over someone like PartinG. Let’s show everyone that we DO actually care about the results when we cast a ballot!
On July 25 2019 15:02 InsaneStella wrote: I like PartinG don't get me wrong but how is he ahead of innovation and trap? It doesn't make too much sense to me tbh.
I mean parting is a popular charismatic twitch streamer who was a big foreign audience, its also a fan vote not a best player vote, so its pretty likely that the players with the most fans are going to get the votes hence why someone like parting who isn't a better player than trap finds himself ahead in the voting
On July 25 2019 14:39 texture13 wrote: Man, popularity contests can be so ridiculous. Parting should NOT be ahead of Innovation, Rogue, Solar, Trap, herO, Dear, and many others.
I think the voting for GSL vs the world should be a weighted average of various factors. Maybe it should be a combination of fan voting, player voting, and maybe something like the aligulac score. Then it would also be less likely that the results would be Kelazhur-ed, like they were last year. The players have a good opinion about who they think are good, and it would be good to take that into consideration.
I dont know, it looks good to me.
Both foreigner and Korean top 2 of each race is locked in, who the last 2 spots gonna go to is obviously not irrelevant, but let`s be honest, whoever gonna end up grabbing the spots, they're not real contenders.
Maybe, maybe Innovation, and by the looks of it, he's a pretty sure lock too, even if he ends up 2nd among the Terrans.
"Team Korea's remaining five players will be decided by the TL.net fan vote."
Does this mean that after one T, one Z, one P win the vote, there will be 2 more spots remaining? And that these 2 spots will be the 4th and 5th highest voted?
On July 25 2019 14:28 StarcraftSquall wrote: Trap deserves your votes, guys. He’s having a way better year than any Korean Protoss not named Classic. He deserves a spot let’s give him one!
In 2019? Seriously? Did you notice Trap? Nevermind, mind played a trick on me
Vote for trap please! In fisrt two GSL seasons, trap really is the one of the best two protosses, he definitely worth a spot in the GSL VS World. Please,guys, vote for him! And what a shame if the 3rd in the WCS Korean ranking being replaced by the one who do not in the top 8 of the WCS Korean ranking(I mean parting and innovation). LET US MAKE THESE GUYS OVERCOME THE CHINESE'S INNOVATION SUPPORT.
wow Trap, what a whiner this isnt even that big of tournament, is something just for fun (and for them, some money).
really really bad taste to go for that whiny post and statement.
and honestly, yesterday he was behind like 600 votes with like 3% of total preferences, how is it even possible that he recovered? looks like a giant scam lul
No for Showtime, heromarine, Scarlett and time. No for Parting who out of the last 4 Code S was in the RO16 once.
Innovation and soO in slump so hard to say if they're ATM RO16 caliber(usually they are though)
I mean how can you call Scarlett RO16 Code S when she tried and failed every Code S this year? She ended 3rd, 4th and 4th IIRC in RO32 groups.
You have very interesting criteria for the ro16 tier pros. So it's someone who consistently makes it to ro16, but does not advance any further?
What's your criteria then? My criteria is that they have to have the quality to reliably get to the RO16(and beyond) (I mean Code S RO16, obviously, when the discussion started with Code S RO16 post)
That's why I mentioned soO and Innovation may not be RO16 players NOW but they are on paper as they usually get in. Now is the key word(ATM in this case doesn't mean the machine tha eats your card and doesn't give you money but At THe Moment ).
Scarlett in 2019 isn't CodeS RO16 player. We can argue about her qualities oversea, fine. But we have the evidence from Season 1 to Season 3 RO32. She never made it. Parting made it once out of 4 cases. That means he's not where he used to be(Parting award, hello?). He's a RO32 player with a great promise but he's not there yet.
Showtime, heromarine, time? Where do we have any evidence they're good enough to pass the RO32 test? No offense to those players, but how can we tell they're good enough to be on the level of Code S RO16? Tell me why you think these 3 are RO16 Code S players material. What results made you think that. I don't think so, they haven't been to Katowice main event which was 24 players nor they have been to Code S. I give a leeway to Serral as he's obvious top player similarly I give a leeway to Neeb, Reynor and mjr Special(who actually qualified to Code S RO16 and not just once).
I don't think I'm being mean or harsh, but let's hear your side of the story
Edit> BTW you didn't miss it's about Code S RO16 quality, did you?
On July 25 2019 20:23 knotfun wrote: wow Trap, what a whiner this isnt even that big of tournament, is something just for fun (and for them, some money).
really really bad taste to go for that whiny post and statement.
and honestly, yesterday he was behind like 600 votes with like 3% of total preferences, how is it even possible that he recovered? looks like a giant scam lul
Guy knows what appeals to the Reddit intelligentsia
On July 25 2019 18:27 frenaco wrote: please vote for innovation！cause i cannot see him on Blizzcon again,real sad
On July 25 2019 21:07 arainkk wrote: So sad that inno is not be able to go to the Blizzcon anymore,so please vote for him
I think you need a few more accounts to really be persuasive
No for Showtime, heromarine, Scarlett and time. No for Parting who out of the last 4 Code S was in the RO16 once.
Innovation and soO in slump so hard to say if they're ATM RO16 caliber(usually they are though)
I mean how can you call Scarlett RO16 Code S when she tried and failed every Code S this year? She ended 3rd, 4th and 4th IIRC in RO32 groups.
You have very interesting criteria for the ro16 tier pros. So it's someone who consistently makes it to ro16, but does not advance any further?
What's your criteria then? My criteria is that they have to have the quality to reliably get to the RO16(and beyond) (I mean Code S RO16, obviously, when the discussion started with Code S RO16 post)
That's why I mentioned soO and Innovation may not be RO16 players NOW but they are on paper as they usually get in. Now is the key word(ATM in this case doesn't mean the machine tha eats your card and doesn't give you money but At THe Moment ).
Scarlett in 2019 isn't CodeS RO16 player. We can argue about her qualities oversea, fine. But we have the evidence from Season 1 to Season 3 RO32. She never made it. Parting made it once out of 4 cases. That means he's not where he used to be(Parting award, hello?). He's a RO32 player with a great promise but he's not there yet.
Showtime, heromarine, time? Where do we have any evidence they're good enough to pass the RO32 test? No offense to those players, but how can we tell they're good enough to be on the level of Code S RO16? Tell me why you think these 3 are RO16 Code S players material. What results made you think that. I don't think so, they haven't been to Katowice main event which was 24 players nor they have been to Code S. I give a leeway to Serral as he's obvious top player similarly I give a leeway to Neeb, Reynor and mjr Special(who actually qualified to Code S RO16 and not just once).
I don't think I'm being mean or harsh, but let's hear your side of the story
Edit> BTW you didn't miss it's about Code S RO16 quality, did you?
I dont know, the current standings seem absolutely fine for me. It's not like you can vote in casual streamers and fan favorite semi-pros. Parting is on the Korean poll-options because of the WCS points. He accumulated more than Zest or SoS this year. You dont like the Blizzard/WCS system, that's fine, but it is their event, they can do it according to their own point-system.
Saying who are the best at the moment is an absolutely impossible task, since it's so easy to say X or Y is in slump cuz he blows out from one or 2 tournaments, so he's not among the top player ATM (but might get to the finals when he doesnt get knocked out, and suddenly people are calling him the best who ever was).
Locking the top of each race, then narrowing down the options based on the point system is as good a strategy as you can get, as long as you want to get that fan-voting element in there.
The Korean roster seems very very strong, even if Parting squeezes in as the 8th player (which isnt certain at this point). As you can verify for yourself, not every GSL code S ro16 roster looks like the 16 best players in Korea (or in the world), so let's lower the standards just a tiny bit, each selection process has its ups and downs and its upsets.
As for the foreigners, obviously we dont have 8 players who could reliably beat the Korean roster, we have 1-4 players who might actually make it to the finals (they are all locked in), and as for the 5-8 seeds, based on the current standings, they are all people who have taken games and series off of top Koreans in the past year (except, big Gabe, i guess, but arguably he found his mojo only recently, so I wholeheartedly agree with him being there this time around)
Just vote for the players you like, jeez. Everyone on both this and the World list will be able to create fun games. Especially in that particular setting.
Same problem here as the one I pointed out for Team World. I was actually hesitant to vote for PartinG as I really want Innovation to make it. In the end, I voted for them both rather than holding my vote and being strategic, but it's dumb that it incentivizes such thought.
I feel sorry for Trap. He hasn't been invited in his best days now because of the ridiculous change of rules. In fact he is the top of Protoss and he has many fans in China. I really hope his success in SC2. I vote for him, he deserve it.
Trap is very good player - but I love the way how STATS is playing Protoss - It's perfect combination of finesse and efficiency. Trap's way of playing is - sorry to say that - bit boring however efficient as well.
Let's give STATS a chance to eventually beat Serral .
InnoVation all the way, this guy is champion contender in every tournament if he gets his shit together and not playing LOL. And i dont see how TY is ahead Inno since the machine got WESG and what have TY won this year so far? Well, maybe the votes are from Serral's fans who are afraid of him getting smashed again and want to see TY - a weaker TvZer instead? :Kappa:
On July 26 2019 00:01 AlgeriaT wrote: 100 post requirement for voting plz
Severely unfair for people who wouldn't otherwise frequent TL.net (a lot of people prefer r/starcraft these days). Obviously like this we're running a major risk of voting tomfoolery, but there's actual new people who sign up just to vote for this (and also for TLMC) every time.
Hundreds of people spamming posts to cross the voting limit doesn't seem the most desirable option then.
On July 26 2019 00:01 AlgeriaT wrote: 100 post requirement for voting plz
If it were some kind of TL community award sure, but this is supposed to be for all sc2 followers and fans. You can't expect everyone who likes sc2 to be posting on 3rd party forums
I've just read the Trap's post about his disappointment not being automatically promoted to GSL vs. World. I need to say that I'm very sorry for him. However IMHO that shouldn't be an only reason for giving him a Vote. Other players work for a whole year streaming, meeting with fans, talking to them, giving advises... etc. They work for the popularity and for the votes. Situation with Trap reminds me TV-shows like IDOL, Must be the music, You can dance... etc. Participants start complaining about sick mother, hard childhood... etc. People start voting for them not because of their skills but because they are just sorry - and very often these participant wins. I really very sorry for Trap - being a victim of changing the rules in last minute is always a shock and not fair. However he put much less work in gaining big group of loyal fans which now could vote for him.
Holy crap did Blizzard just change the rules in a way that didn't benefit a player? I thought they promised us that the rules can never change. I'm speechless reading about this abuse and I'm brainstorming a tweet storm as we speak
On July 26 2019 00:01 AlgeriaT wrote: 100 post requirement for voting plz
That would be absurd, in fact this vote should probably be on battle.net. The sc2 community is supposed to vot, not the TL community.
Everybody should feel welcome to make a new account and vote, it's the whole point that anybody can vote.
I assume the reason it's not on battle.net anymore is because when they did it on b.net that one time it didn't work properly. IIRC there were lots of issues with EU players being unable to vote and such.
Also in principle it not being on b.net means a guy with 15 accounts doesn't have 15 votes. Now whether TL ensures a person can't cast 15 votes with 15 accounts from the same IP I don't know.
I've just read the Trap's post about his disappointment not being automatically promoted to GSL vs. World. I need to say that I'm very sorry for him. However IMHO that shouldn't be an only reason for giving him a Vote. Other players work for a whole year by streaming, meeting with fans, talking to them, giving advises... etc. They work for the popularity and for the votes.
Situation with Trap reminds me TV-shows like IDOL, Must be the music, You can dance... etc. Participants start complaining about sick mother, hard childhood... etc. People start voting for them not because of their skills but because they are just sorry - and very often these participant wins.
I really very sorry for Trap - being a victim of changing the rules in last minute is always a shock and not fair. However he put much less work in gaining big group of loyal fans which now could vote for him.
Giving him a vote only because of his disappointment will be unfair against other players.
Comparing WCS Korea standings with GSL vs the world voting system in 2017/2018 and this last system, we would have(assuming the vote ends now) six players locked in anyway(Dark, Classic, Trap, soO, Maru, Stats); we would have herO and Dear with WCS points, Rogue and TY with GSLTW 2018, TY and Inno with the current system.
Right now, Trap's spot has been restored and Rogue is the real victim of the change in voting system(even Fantasy has more votes than him); given Rogue's 2019 until now, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
On July 26 2019 00:01 AlgeriaT wrote: 100 post requirement for voting plz
That would be absurd, in fact this vote should probably be on battle.net. The sc2 community is supposed to vot, not the TL community.
Everybody should feel welcome to make a new account and vote, it's the whole point that anybody can vote.
I assume the reason it's not on battle.net anymore is because when they did it on b.net that one time it didn't work properly. IIRC there were lots of issues with EU players being unable to vote and such.
Also in principle it not being on b.net means a guy with 15 accounts doesn't have 15 votes. Now whether TL ensures a person can't cast 15 votes with 15 accounts from the same IP I don't know.
In the end I don't mind it being on TL, it just has to be as easy as possible for anybody who has never used TL before to vote.
On July 26 2019 00:38 Xain0n wrote: Comparing WCS Korea standings with GSL vs the world voting system in 2017/2018 and this last system, we would have(assuming the vote ends now) six players locked in anyway(Dark, Classic, Trap, soO, Maru, Stats); we would have herO and Dear with WCS points, Rogue and TY with GSLTW 2018, TY and Inno with the current system.
Right now, Trap's spot has been restored and Rogue is the real victim of the change in voting system(even Fantasy has more votes than him); given Rogue's 2019 until now, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
That's under the assumption that the crowd voting for soO would transfer to Rogue in majority. Maybe the votes would actually migrate to Solar or RagnaroK.
Also the previous system had the top 4 of WCS locked. Maru would have been added to the poll. Between Maru, Inno and TY stealing each others votes, I'm not confident 2 Terrans would have gone through in the end.
I've just read the Trap's post about his disappointment not being automatically promoted to GSL vs. World. I need to say that I'm very sorry for him. However IMHO that shouldn't be an only reason for giving him a Vote.
That's not the only reason to give him a vote. The real and best reason is that his performance has been superior to almost every other Protoss this year, and if you want a genuine "GSL vs the World", there should be the players that perform the best. For entertainment value, I feel Nation Wars is the better venue.
On July 26 2019 00:01 AlgeriaT wrote: 100 post requirement for voting plz
Severely unfair for people who wouldn't otherwise frequent TL.net (a lot of people prefer r/starcraft these days). Obviously like this we're running a major risk of voting tomfoolery, but there's actual new people who sign up just to vote for this (and also for TLMC) every time.
Hundreds of people spamming posts to cross the voting limit doesn't seem the most desirable option then.
Alright alright it was a bad solution and I apologise to anyone who took offence. But yeah said tomfoolery is obviously what I suggested be dealt with in some way but I guess there's none, and yes definitely a good thing if the vote actually brings people to the forum in a real way.
On July 26 2019 00:38 Xain0n wrote: Comparing WCS Korea standings with GSL vs the world voting system in 2017/2018 and this last system, we would have(assuming the vote ends now) six players locked in anyway(Dark, Classic, Trap, soO, Maru, Stats); we would have herO and Dear with WCS points, Rogue and TY with GSLTW 2018, TY and Inno with the current system.
Right now, Trap's spot has been restored and Rogue is the real victim of the change in voting system(even Fantasy has more votes than him); given Rogue's 2019 until now, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
That's under the assumption that the crowd voting for soO would transfer to Rogue in majority. Maybe the votes would actually migrate to Solar or RagnaroK.
Also the previous system had the top 4 of WCS locked. Maru would have been added to the poll. Between Maru, Inno and TY stealing each others votes, I'm not confident 2 Terrans would have gone through in the end.
Actually, under the assumption soO's votes(48% of Zerg total) wouldn't follow a radically different distribution than the one the remaining 52% is showing, not turning the table in favor of Solar or Ragnarok.
Regarding Terran, I am quite positive people would have given the wild card to a Terran(it's very unlikely Fantasy would have received all these votes in such a situation).
On July 26 2019 00:38 Xain0n wrote: Comparing WCS Korea standings with GSL vs the world voting system in 2017/2018 and this last system, we would have(assuming the vote ends now) six players locked in anyway(Dark, Classic, Trap, soO, Maru, Stats); we would have herO and Dear with WCS points, Rogue and TY with GSLTW 2018, TY and Inno with the current system.
Right now, Trap's spot has been restored and Rogue is the real victim of the change in voting system(even Fantasy has more votes than him); given Rogue's 2019 until now, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
That's under the assumption that the crowd voting for soO would transfer to Rogue in majority. Maybe the votes would actually migrate to Solar or RagnaroK.
Also the previous system had the top 4 of WCS locked. Maru would have been added to the poll. Between Maru, Inno and TY stealing each others votes, I'm not confident 2 Terrans would have gone through in the end.
Actually, under the assumption soO's votes(48% of Zerg total) wouldn't follow a radically different distribution than the one the remaining 52% is showing, not turning the table in favor of Solar or Ragnarok.
Regarding Terran, I am quite positive people would have given the wild card to a Terran(it's very unlikely Fantasy would have received all these votes in such a situation).
I dunno, there's precedent from last year. ByuN and TY took away so many votes from each other that neither of them got any close to the wild card spot. I would assume the same would happen between Inno and TY if Maru was up for a vote.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
That's no different than players telling their stream viewers to vote for them which I'm sure parting has already done several times. Trap has had an amazing year and has been very consistent. He is 3rd in WCS points. He deserves to be at this event.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
That's no different than players telling their stream viewers to vote for them which I'm sure parting has already done several times.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules.
Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting?
The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments.
That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
That's no different than players telling their stream viewers to vote for them which I'm sure parting has already done several times. Trap has had an amazing year and has been very consistent. He is 3rd in WCS points. He deserves to be at this event.
I don't question whether he deserves or not to be at that event. IMHO he does. I just don't like the way he tries to achieve it - by sharing "touching" story of being a Blizzard's victim.
I have my fingers crossed that both Stats and Trap will eventually be seeded up to the event. They both deserve to be there.
On July 26 2019 02:57 Ej_ wrote: I am happy that players sympathize with a GSL finalist without a seed, over a clown streamer.
Nobody said what kind of popularity contest this is.
You might not like him but PartinG is one of the greatest Protoss in sc2 history just as much as he is a clown streamer. Trap must have a GSL vs The World spot, in any of case.
On July 26 2019 02:57 Ej_ wrote: I am happy that players sympathize with a GSL finalist without a seed, over a clown streamer.
Nobody said what kind of popularity contest this is.
You might not like him but PartinG is one of the greatest Protoss in sc2 history just as much as he is a clown streamer. Trap must have a GSL vs The World spot, in any of case.
Yeah but PartinG is at the vote count he's at because he's a popular character who doesn't play standard, not because of his accomplishments. Similar to how people vote for Fantasy because he's Fantasy, not because he's better than the other available options.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules.
Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting?
The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments.
That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans.
where to begin with? first, wcs if not a mere ladder, it represent the accumulated accomplishments the players had during the year. in this "ladder" trap has more than double the points that parting has, and is placed third, which undeniably high. what's more, with the year coming to a close and not too many points left to grab, there won't too be many changes. that's especially true for parting, who is already eliminated from the current GSL.
as for your criteria for who should be in the tournament, that is according to their "activity" and fan base- there is nothing to support your claim in that regard. it's simply a vote, meaning a majority rule. maybe parting has more fans than trap, but that does not mean those fans have more power than people who aren't trap fans yet choose to vote for trap.
next, i don't think it's pity derived from trap's tweet that drive such a strong movement to push him into the tournamnet. in my opinion it has more to do with outrage that a player who did well enough during the year to be placed third on the WCS Korea standings, might not be participating in the upcoming tournament.
lastly, you did not respond to the fact you've made your account today. ofc there is nothing wrong with that, but it does imply you have an agenda you're trying to push.
On July 26 2019 02:57 Ej_ wrote: I am happy that players sympathize with a GSL finalist without a seed, over a clown streamer.
Nobody said what kind of popularity contest this is.
I believe that most of the people share your opinion about that GSL finalist is way better than clown streamer. However I don't find STATS that way. And when he fails to be seeded up - that in practise he will be the victim of Blizzard"s "rule changing" and not Trap.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules.
Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting?
The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments.
That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans.
where to begin with? first, wcs if not a mere ladder, it represent the accumulated accomplishments the players had during the year. in this "ladder" trap has more than double the points that parting has, and is placed third, which undeniably high. what's more, with the year coming to a close and not too many points left to grab, there won't too be many changes. that's especially true for parting, who is already eliminated from the current GSL.
as for your criteria for who should be in the tournament, that is according to their "activity" and fan base- there is nothing to support your claim in that regard. it's simply a vote, meaning a majority rule. maybe parting has more fans than trap, but that does not mean those fans have more power than people who aren't trap fans yet choose to vote for trap.
next, i don't think it's pity derived from trap's tweet that drive such a strong movement to push him into the tournamnet. in my opinion it has more to do with outrage that a player who did well enough during the year to be placed third on the WCS Korea standings, might not be participating in the upcoming tournament.
lastly, you did not respond to the fact you've made your account today. ofc there is nothing wrong with that, but it does imply you have an agenda you're trying to push.
I believe that you took me wrong at first. I'm not a fan of PartinG - but STATS. And I'm bit afraid that he will be hit mostly by Trap's touching story. He was way in front of Trap and PartinG before the Twitt was published.
I have created my account today to support STATS as I really like to watch his streams and really enjoy the way he plays. I'm not a shame of that - as my story with SC2 started not that long ago. Maybe he doesn't perform super well this year but I believe he is one of the best Protoss player across past few years. However I'm pretty "mature" guy - most likely way elder than most of you - and I did a lot of sport competition during my all life. My competing with others sport's opponents always relayed on fair rules - without any influence of such "external factors" like we have here.
To summarize - I true believe that Trap deserves to be at the event. I just think he chose a bit "unfair" way to get there - as I'm sure many people is motivated to vote for him by his "touching" Twitt.
On July 26 2019 02:45 DarkAngel2 wrote: Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans.
Voting can be about anything you want it to be. You are not the arbiter of what is a "good" reason to vote for someone. In my opinion, being a fan is not the only reason to vote for someone in GSL vs the World.
On July 26 2019 02:45 DarkAngel2 wrote: Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans.
Voting can be about anything you want it to be. You are not the arbiter of what is a "good" reason to vote for someone. In my opinion, being a fan is not the only reason to vote for someone in GSL vs the World.
I'm not an arbiter - that's true. And I don't want to be at all. I just think that fair voting requires fair rules - not being disturbed by "touching stories".
On July 26 2019 04:05 Boggyb wrote: Based on current form it should be TY, Trap, and a Zerg whose ID starts with an R. Based on popularity it will be INnoVation, Stats, and soO.
If the voting trend doesn't radically change we will have all of them except for the R rated Zerg players.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules.
Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting?
The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments.
That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans.
where to begin with? first, wcs if not a mere ladder, it represent the accumulated accomplishments the players had during the year. in this "ladder" trap has more than double the points that parting has, and is placed third, which undeniably high. what's more, with the year coming to a close and not too many points left to grab, there won't too be many changes. that's especially true for parting, who is already eliminated from the current GSL.
as for your criteria for who should be in the tournament, that is according to their "activity" and fan base- there is nothing to support your claim in that regard. it's simply a vote, meaning a majority rule. maybe parting has more fans than trap, but that does not mean those fans have more power than people who aren't trap fans yet choose to vote for trap.
next, i don't think it's pity derived from trap's tweet that drive such a strong movement to push him into the tournamnet. in my opinion it has more to do with outrage that a player who did well enough during the year to be placed third on the WCS Korea standings, might not be participating in the upcoming tournament.
lastly, you did not respond to the fact you've made your account today. ofc there is nothing wrong with that, but it does imply you have an agenda you're trying to push.
I believe that you took me wrong at first. I'm not a fan of PartinG - but STATS. And I'm bit afraid that he will be hit mostly by Trap's touching story. He was way in front of Trap and PartinG before the Twitt was published.
I have created my account today to support STATS as I really like to watch his streams and really enjoy the way he plays. I'm not a shame of that - as my story with SC2 started not that long ago. Maybe he doesn't perform super well this year but I believe he is one of the best Protoss player across past few years. However I'm pretty "mature" guy - most likely way elder than most of you - and I did a lot of sport competition during my all life. My competing with others sport's opponents always relayed on fair rules - without any influence of such "external factors" like we have here.
To summarize - I true believe that Trap deserves to be at the event. I just think he chose a bit "unfair" way to get there - as I'm sure many people is motivated to vote for him by his "touching" Twitt.
well what do you know! we share some things in common. i too voted for stats and like you i'm also "mature". you'll be surprised how many more of us "mature" guys are around (blizzard roots does go back to the 90s after all). lastly i still stick to my claim that it's not being "touched" that made people jump on the Trap train, rather it was their honest wish to see the players who did best during the year. once they saw parting having such a strong lead they realised the situation and acted accordingly.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules.
Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting?
The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments.
That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans.
where to begin with? first, wcs if not a mere ladder, it represent the accumulated accomplishments the players had during the year. in this "ladder" trap has more than double the points that parting has, and is placed third, which undeniably high. what's more, with the year coming to a close and not too many points left to grab, there won't too be many changes. that's especially true for parting, who is already eliminated from the current GSL.
as for your criteria for who should be in the tournament, that is according to their "activity" and fan base- there is nothing to support your claim in that regard. it's simply a vote, meaning a majority rule. maybe parting has more fans than trap, but that does not mean those fans have more power than people who aren't trap fans yet choose to vote for trap.
next, i don't think it's pity derived from trap's tweet that drive such a strong movement to push him into the tournamnet. in my opinion it has more to do with outrage that a player who did well enough during the year to be placed third on the WCS Korea standings, might not be participating in the upcoming tournament.
lastly, you did not respond to the fact you've made your account today. ofc there is nothing wrong with that, but it does imply you have an agenda you're trying to push.
I believe that you took me wrong at first. I'm not a fan of PartinG - but STATS. And I'm bit afraid that he will be hit mostly by Trap's touching story. He was way in front of Trap and PartinG before the Twitt was published.
I have created my account today to support STATS as I really like to watch his streams and really enjoy the way he plays. I'm not a shame of that - as my story with SC2 started not that long ago. Maybe he doesn't perform super well this year but I believe he is one of the best Protoss player across past few years. However I'm pretty "mature" guy - most likely way elder than most of you - and I did a lot of sport competition during my all life. My competing with others sport's opponents always relayed on fair rules - without any influence of such "external factors" like we have here.
To summarize - I true believe that Trap deserves to be at the event. I just think he chose a bit "unfair" way to get there - as I'm sure many people is motivated to vote for him by his "touching" Twitt.
well what do you know! we share some things in common. i too voted for stats and like you i'm also "mature". you'll be surprised how many more of us "mature" guys are around (blizzard roots does go back to the 90s after all). lastly i still stick to my claim that it's not being "touched" that made people jump on the Trap train, rather it was their honest wish to see the players who did best during the year. once they saw parting having such a strong lead they realised the situation and acted accordingly.
One thing from my end: Hopefully you are right regarding reasons people are voting for TRAP. Let's keep fingers crossed that STATS will go through .
No for Showtime, heromarine, Scarlett and time. No for Parting who out of the last 4 Code S was in the RO16 once.
Innovation and soO in slump so hard to say if they're ATM RO16 caliber(usually they are though)
I mean how can you call Scarlett RO16 Code S when she tried and failed every Code S this year? She ended 3rd, 4th and 4th IIRC in RO32 groups.
News flash: HeRoMaRinE ShoWTimE and Scarlett are World Players not GSL players. Scarlett will probably get in as a wild card because the best non seeded Zerg in the World Circuit is CLEARLY Reynor. I don’t have a problem with Scarlett taking that spot because she’s hit two GSLs and had a top four finish at WESG which don’t get reflected in her WCS standings.
TIME is almost a lock for BlizzCon at this point. The only player I have a real issue with is PartinG who has no business getting in at the expense of Trap this year, I don’t care about anyone else’s argument there: if Trap doesn’t get a spot it’s a terrible vote crime.
On July 26 2019 02:57 Ej_ wrote: I am happy that players sympathize with a GSL finalist without a seed, over a clown streamer.
Nobody said what kind of popularity contest this is.
You might not like him but PartinG is one of the greatest Protoss in sc2 history just as much as he is a clown streamer. Trap must have a GSL vs The World spot, in any of case.
Yeah but PartinG is at the vote count he's at because he's a popular character who doesn't play standard, not because of his accomplishments. Similar to how people vote for Fantasy because he's Fantasy, not because he's better than the other available options.
Yeah maybe I misunderstood here but even if I have a history of disliking PartinG I wouldn't reduce him to being just a "clown streamer". I love Fanta for exactly the same reasons others love the Soul Toss - because he has character, and can pull some weird fucking rabbits out of his hat. They both bring plenty of fun and passion to the scene. And at the end of the day, we can't deny that both of them are among the top players in the world. Both belong just fine in this tournament.
I just read through the thread and I can't believe that people are complaining about a player asking for votes. This tournament has always been clownish in how it decides on which players attend. (GSL champion GuMiho being excluded. Tier 3 Zerg Scarlett attending all of them) As long as nobody encourages people to cheat and vote multiple times, anything is fair.
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from.
For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules.
Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting?
The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments.
That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans.
I agree. Before being allowed to vote people should be required to complete a questionnaire to prove if they're a real fan or not. Extremely unfair that Trap gets voted in by non-fans.
I'm surprised nobody has brought up last year's Kelazhur debacle yet. The fact of the matter is there's no fair way to define or weed out people who aren't "true" SC2 fans, and why would anyone even want to make that decision anyway? Even if somebody voted that hasn't watched a game of SC2 in their lives, this might be a good opportunity to get them to start watching and potentially grow our community. The only potential unfairness about this voting system is if there isn't enough policing of people who may be making multiple accounts to get more than one vote.
On July 25 2019 04:21 vult wrote: Voted TY, soO and Trap. I believe Trap earned it from his success this year and we have seen enough of Stats recently.
There's never a time where you've seen enough of Stats.
On July 26 2019 08:55 Kitai wrote: I'm surprised nobody has brought up last year's Kelazhur debacle yet. ...
Kelazhur getting in last year was stupid. I think the GSL vs the World vote should be a weighted average of various factors. I do not know what it should be exactly. However, fan voting could be one component. Player/peer voting could be another. A quantitative component could be used as part of the score too, something such as the aligulac score.
Another thought I had was just take all of the players that had enough points to qualify for the vote and have them play a qualifier for GSL vs the World.
On July 26 2019 08:55 Kitai wrote: I'm surprised nobody has brought up last year's Kelazhur debacle yet. ...
Kelazhur getting in last year was stupid. I think the GSL vs the World vote should be a weighted average of various factors. I do not know what it should be exactly. However, fan voting could be one component. Player/peer voting could be another. A quantitative component could be used as part of the score too, something such as the aligulac score.
Another thought I had was just take all of the players that had enough points to qualify for the vote and have them play a qualifier for GSL vs the World.
I can see where you're coming from, but I don't much like the idea of qualifiers which would cut out community participation in the matter. A weighted system might be kind of cool though. Players could vote from the SC2 client and it could be weighted by their ladder rank, in addition to web-based voting. That way experienced players hold more weight, but SC2 newcomers could still participate.
On July 26 2019 08:55 Kitai wrote: I'm surprised nobody has brought up last year's Kelazhur debacle yet. ...
Kelazhur getting in last year was stupid. I think the GSL vs the World vote should be a weighted average of various factors. I do not know what it should be exactly. However, fan voting could be one component. Player/peer voting could be another. A quantitative component could be used as part of the score too, something such as the aligulac score.
Another thought I had was just take all of the players that had enough points to qualify for the vote and have them play a qualifier for GSL vs the World.
I can see where you're coming from, but I don't much like the idea of qualifiers which would cut out community participation in the matter. A weighted system might be kind of cool though. Players could vote from the SC2 client and it could be weighted by their ladder rank, in addition to web-based voting. That way experienced players hold more weight, but SC2 newcomers could still participate.
Why should a higher ranked player have more say than a lower one?
On July 26 2019 08:55 Kitai wrote: I'm surprised nobody has brought up last year's Kelazhur debacle yet. ...
Kelazhur getting in last year was stupid. I think the GSL vs the World vote should be a weighted average of various factors. I do not know what it should be exactly. However, fan voting could be one component. Player/peer voting could be another. A quantitative component could be used as part of the score too, something such as the aligulac score.
Another thought I had was just take all of the players that had enough points to qualify for the vote and have them play a qualifier for GSL vs the World.
I can see where you're coming from, but I don't much like the idea of qualifiers which would cut out community participation in the matter. A weighted system might be kind of cool though. Players could vote from the SC2 client and it could be weighted by their ladder rank, in addition to web-based voting. That way experienced players hold more weight, but SC2 newcomers could still participate.
Why should a higher ranked player have more say than a lower one?
I don't necessarily think that should be the case. One might argue that higher ranked players put more time and effort into playing and understanding the game, and therefore should get more say in the players they want to watch/cheer for/learn from. It could also prevent something like last year's Kelazhur problem, where an outside community blitzed TL to vote Kelazhur in, even though he was far behind in the polls before said event and was pretty clearly not the foreign world's best Terran hope. I was just brainstorming a way it could be implemented if a weighted system was used.
Personally, I don't much care either way. I'm happy with the current system and I would be equally happy with a weighted system. I'm just glad the fans get some sort of say.
On July 26 2019 15:56 AttackZerg wrote: Re: post above mine.
I think a better player should have zero more rights then you.
Read the post more carefully. It was literally just a thought exercise. I didn't take a stance either way, and explicitly stated I was happy with the current system.
On July 26 2019 15:56 AttackZerg wrote: Re: post above mine.
I think a better player should have zero more rights then you.
Read the post more carefully. It was literally just a thought exercise. I didn't take a stance either way, and explicitly stated I was happy with the current system.
I read fine and then asserted my opinion. The way you wrote was clear. No inference required.
On July 26 2019 15:56 AttackZerg wrote: Re: post above mine.
I think a better player should have zero more rights then you.
Read the post more carefully. It was literally just a thought exercise. I didn't take a stance either way, and explicitly stated I was happy with the current system.
I read fine and then asserted my opinion. The way you wrote was clear. No inference required.
On July 26 2019 15:56 AttackZerg wrote: Re: post above mine.
I think a better player should have zero more rights then you.
Read the post more carefully. It was literally just a thought exercise. I didn't take a stance either way, and explicitly stated I was happy with the current system.
I read fine and then asserted my opinion. The way you wrote was clear. No inference required.
To be clearer still.
I agree with you
Ah, sorry. The way your initial post came off it sounded like you were accusing me of trying to suppress voter rights and subvert democracy or something lol.
No for Showtime, heromarine, Scarlett and time. No for Parting who out of the last 4 Code S was in the RO16 once.
Innovation and soO in slump so hard to say if they're ATM RO16 caliber(usually they are though)
I mean how can you call Scarlett RO16 Code S when she tried and failed every Code S this year? She ended 3rd, 4th and 4th IIRC in RO32 groups.
You have very interesting criteria for the ro16 tier pros. So it's someone who consistently makes it to ro16, but does not advance any further?
What's your criteria then? My criteria is that they have to have the quality to reliably get to the RO16(and beyond) (I mean Code S RO16, obviously, when the discussion started with Code S RO16 post)
That's why I mentioned soO and Innovation may not be RO16 players NOW but they are on paper as they usually get in. Now is the key word(ATM in this case doesn't mean the machine tha eats your card and doesn't give you money but At THe Moment ).
Scarlett in 2019 isn't CodeS RO16 player. We can argue about her qualities oversea, fine. But we have the evidence from Season 1 to Season 3 RO32. She never made it. Parting made it once out of 4 cases. That means he's not where he used to be(Parting award, hello?). He's a RO32 player with a great promise but he's not there yet.
Showtime, heromarine, time? Where do we have any evidence they're good enough to pass the RO32 test? No offense to those players, but how can we tell they're good enough to be on the level of Code S RO16? Tell me why you think these 3 are RO16 Code S players material. What results made you think that. I don't think so, they haven't been to Katowice main event which was 24 players nor they have been to Code S. I give a leeway to Serral as he's obvious top player similarly I give a leeway to Neeb, Reynor and mjr Special(who actually qualified to Code S RO16 and not just once).
I don't think I'm being mean or harsh, but let's hear your side of the story
Edit> BTW you didn't miss it's about Code S RO16 quality, did you?
I dont know, the current standings seem absolutely fine for me. It's not like you can vote in casual streamers and fan favorite semi-pros. Parting is on the Korean poll-options because of the WCS points. He accumulated more than Zest or SoS this year. You dont like the Blizzard/WCS system, that's fine, but it is their event, they can do it according to their own point-system.
Saying who are the best at the moment is an absolutely impossible task, since it's so easy to say X or Y is in slump cuz he blows out from one or 2 tournaments, so he's not among the top player ATM (but might get to the finals when he doesnt get knocked out, and suddenly people are calling him the best who ever was).
Locking the top of each race, then narrowing down the options based on the point system is as good a strategy as you can get, as long as you want to get that fan-voting element in there.
The Korean roster seems very very strong, even if Parting squeezes in as the 8th player (which isnt certain at this point). As you can verify for yourself, not every GSL code S ro16 roster looks like the 16 best players in Korea (or in the world), so let's lower the standards just a tiny bit, each selection process has its ups and downs and its upsets.
As for the foreigners, obviously we dont have 8 players who could reliably beat the Korean roster, we have 1-4 players who might actually make it to the finals (they are all locked in), and as for the 5-8 seeds, based on the current standings, they are all people who have taken games and series off of top Koreans in the past year (except, big Gabe, i guess, but arguably he found his mojo only recently, so I wholeheartedly agree with him being there this time around)
But that was not the point. I just said this isn't the quality of Code S RO16. I didn't dispute the rest and I mostly argue about foreigners and Parting. So why do we have this discussion? It appears there's no disagreement. Probably some weird planet constellation turned us into misreading each other
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.
Same. I think last time they met at a tournament was at Katowice last year where he almost 3-0'd Serral. But that was right before Serral went into overdrive.
Please vote INnoVation,maybe you think he is not one of the best Terran in the world anymore，but we really want to see him in this competition，hope that he could bring back his glory of yesterday
I voted TY,Solar,Trap TY is a fun player and performed very well recently, and Trap deserves a seat as the third place on the WCS Korean list , the reason for voting for Solar is his new video, he tryed hard to canvass in Chinese and promise to donate his 20% bonuses to charity
Keep going let’s get Trap the Protoss seed: he should’ve been seeded.
Very weird looking at the FanTaSy vote: I don’t think he should be in based on this year’s performance, which is what I feel we should be voting on. Name branding isn’t everything here.
I believe the Korean qualifiers should be Inno, soO, Trap and Stats, and the World reps HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, ShoWTimE and Scarlett. Based on the voting perimeters that feels like the correct result.
On July 26 2019 17:47 7miles wrote: I voted TY,Solar,Trap TY is a fun player and performed very well recently, and Trap deserves a seat as the third place on the WCS Korean list , the reason for voting for Solar is his new video, he tryed hard to canvass in Chinese and promise to donate his 20% bonuses to charity
On July 26 2019 18:16 StarcraftSquall wrote: Keep going let’s get Trap the Protoss seed: he should’ve been seeded.
Very weird looking at the FanTaSy vote: I don’t think he should be in based on this year’s performance, which is what I feel we should be voting on. Name branding isn’t everything here.
I believe the Korean qualifiers should be Inno, soO, Trap and Stats, and the World reps HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, ShoWTimE and Scarlett. Based on the voting perimeters that feels like the correct result.
Either Trap or Stats can be seeded in a "normal" way - the second will be part of a "lottery", depending how many votes other guys are given. Trap is performing better this year - but Stats is way better in context of whole carrer. I have given Stats a vote. Trap has similar position as soO - both have been hit by Blizzard's rule changing. However soO is not complaining about that and nobody on this forum is sorry for him - at least no one express it that much as for Trap .
On July 26 2019 18:16 StarcraftSquall wrote: Keep going let’s get Trap the Protoss seed: he should’ve been seeded.
Very weird looking at the FanTaSy vote: I don’t think he should be in based on this year’s performance, which is what I feel we should be voting on. Name branding isn’t everything here.
I believe the Korean qualifiers should be Inno, soO, Trap and Stats, and the World reps HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, ShoWTimE and Scarlett. Based on the voting perimeters that feels like the correct result.
Not quite sure how you can say we ought to be voting on this year's performance and then say Inno ought to qualify, barring WESG the dude's been mediocre at best.
On July 26 2019 18:16 StarcraftSquall wrote: Keep going let’s get Trap the Protoss seed: he should’ve been seeded.
Very weird looking at the FanTaSy vote: I don’t think he should be in based on this year’s performance, which is what I feel we should be voting on. Name branding isn’t everything here.
I believe the Korean qualifiers should be Inno, soO, Trap and Stats, and the World reps HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, ShoWTimE and Scarlett. Based on the voting perimeters that feels like the correct result.
Not quite sure how you can say we ought to be voting on this year's performance and then say Inno ought to qualify, barring WESG the dude's been mediocre at best.
He's the best performing Terran in that list though...
By far better than Gumi or Fantasy this year. And by far better than Bunny in *any* year. You could maybe argue TY is on par, but Inno has a bigger trophy and otherwise similar results. Cure the only reason to include him is because he has been tearing it up online and looked strong in the GSL Ro32, but he hasn't gotten at all far in any major tournaments.
Please vote for Fantasy！！！Despite his poor performance in Starcraft2，But he always shows the attitude and spirit of professional players，Moved us，So。。。please！vote for him and Support him！Thankyou！ I am in the mysterious East ----- China, bless you～
I think inno deserve it if he finnally get the ticket, even though I voted for TY,considering that inno beat both Maru and Serral in the Global Final of WESG this year.
Quite something seeing 4900 votes for terran, 4500 for protoss, and 3900 for zerg on KR and then 3300-3500 for the Team World races.
But yeah voted for TY, Solar (just for moral support) and Stats a bit earlier. Good luck to Fantasy also. Would be kinda crazy to get three terrans to the tournament from the voting.
On July 26 2019 19:52 gxq2010 wrote: Please vote for Fantasy！！！Despite his poor performance in Starcraft2，But he always shows the attitude and spirit of professional players，Moved us，So。。。please！vote for him and Support him！Thankyou！ I am in the mysterious East ----- China, bless you～
lol attitude and spirit? which pro players doesn't have those? specially players high up on the wcs korea standings. it's fine that you're trying to push your favorite player but don't sugar coat your actions.
Man the rate at which Fantasy has been gaining votes is pretty ridiculous. He had like half the votes of Inno yesterday but by tomorrow he'll probably catch TY.
On July 26 2019 20:40 Elentos wrote: Man the rate at which Fantasy has been gaining votes is pretty ridiculous. He had like half the votes of Inno yesterday but by tomorrow he'll probably catch TY.
FanTaSy is pretty disproportionately popular in Korea (all of that choosing SC2 over BW business), although I dunno if that's enough to account for his big gains ;o
On July 26 2019 20:40 Elentos wrote: Man the rate at which Fantasy has been gaining votes is pretty ridiculous. He had like half the votes of Inno yesterday but by tomorrow he'll probably catch TY.
FanTaSy is pretty disproportionately popular in Korea (all of that choosing SC2 over BW business), although I dunno if that's enough to account for his big gains ;o
The Terran poll is by far the most voted one in total. I don't think it's just the Korean audience. It had the least votes last year, incidentally. Not to mention the Korean audience should be disproportionately small in theory.
On July 26 2019 21:35 Xain0n wrote: Fantasy with more votes than Trap right now.
At his current pace Fantasy will win the Terran vote. It's actually up to Inno and TY to do something to get more votes. I know TY will be in a 24h stream on Sunday with the foreigner house. Inno I think is the player with the most votes who has done the least campaigning.
On July 26 2019 21:35 Xain0n wrote: Fantasy with more votes than Trap right now.
At his current pace Fantasy will win the Terran vote. It's actually up to Inno and TY to do something to get more votes. I know TY will be in a 24h stream on Sunday with the foreigner house. Inno I think is the player with the most votes who has done the least campaigning.
On July 26 2019 21:35 Xain0n wrote: Fantasy with more votes than Trap right now.
At his current pace Fantasy will win the Terran vote. It's actually up to Inno and TY to do something to get more votes. I know TY will be in a 24h stream on Sunday with the foreigner house. Inno I think is the player with the most votes who has done the least campaigning.
On July 26 2019 21:35 Xain0n wrote: Fantasy with more votes than Trap right now.
At his current pace Fantasy will win the Terran vote. It's actually up to Inno and TY to do something to get more votes. I know TY will be in a 24h stream on Sunday with the foreigner house. Inno I think is the player with the most votes who has done the least campaigning.
24h stream?Won't he feel tired?
It's just 24h. Coffee, food, sugar... problem solved
On July 26 2019 21:35 Xain0n wrote: Fantasy with more votes than Trap right now.
At his current pace Fantasy will win the Terran vote. It's actually up to Inno and TY to do something to get more votes. I know TY will be in a 24h stream on Sunday with the foreigner house. Inno I think is the player with the most votes who has done the least campaigning.
24h stream?Won't he feel tired?
It's just 24h. Coffee, food, sugar... problem solved
On July 26 2019 22:50 DieuCure wrote: Well, I guess some people don't want to see a high lvl tournament, it's sad.
The tournament will be of high level, without any doubt; it might be super stacked but the presence of Fantasy/PartinG or whoever else doesn't downgrade the tournament. I would personally give the wildcards to Trap and Inno.
Why are INnoVation votes so high? Because most of INnoVation votes were painted by Chinese fans。PLZ vote for TYTY, because TYTY is better than INnoVation. I want to see a better match.
FanTaSy might be good enough in a season or so, but I think if he gets in he will be this year’s Has: bopped three and out. If we’re voting on MERIT from this year alone (which is what we should consider above everything else despite particular player fandoms) it should be Trap, soO, Stats and Inno.
On July 27 2019 02:25 StarcraftSquall wrote: If we’re voting on MERIT from this year alone (which is what we should consider above everything else despite particular player fandoms)
On July 27 2019 02:25 StarcraftSquall wrote: FanTaSy might be good enough in a season or so, but I think if he gets in he will be this year’s Has: bopped three and out. If we’re voting on MERIT from this year alone (which is what we should consider above everything else despite particular player fandoms) it should be Trap, soO, Stats and Inno.
I agree with those except Inno. It's not like hes had a good year by any stretch of the imagination especially by his standards. He won WESG but that was whatever, he beat a foreigner in the finals after all Kappa
Voted for TY who in GSL has had pretty much the same results in GSL this year, and has been doing way more streaming etc.
On July 27 2019 02:25 StarcraftSquall wrote: If we’re voting on MERIT from this year alone (which is what we should consider above everything else despite particular player fandoms) it should be Trap, soO, Stats and Inno.
If the vote was supposed to get people elected based on performance this year or skill, there wouldn't be a vote and they'd use the WCS ranking
On July 27 2019 02:25 StarcraftSquall wrote: If we’re voting on MERIT from this year alone (which is what we should consider above everything else despite particular player fandoms) it should be Trap, soO, Stats and Inno.
If the vote was supposed to get people elected based on performance this year or skill, there wouldn't be a vote and they'd use the WCS ranking
Seems like the players that performed the best and the players that people want to see are the same ones.
On July 27 2019 02:25 StarcraftSquall wrote: FanTaSy might be good enough in a season or so, but I think if he gets in he will be this year’s Has: bopped three and out. If we’re voting on MERIT from this year alone (which is what we should consider above everything else despite particular player fandoms) it should be Trap, soO, Stats and Inno.
I agree with those except Inno. It's not like hes had a good year by any stretch of the imagination especially by his standards. He won WESG but that was whatever, he beat a foreigner in the finals after all Kappa
Voted for TY who in GSL has had pretty much the same results in GSL this year, and has been doing way more streaming etc.
I consider everything after BlizzCon this season, so I also take into account his 2nd place finish at HomeStory Cup XVIII in late November. It’s close between them but Inno actually has a premier title in this competitive year and that’s why I gave him my vote here.
No for Showtime, heromarine, Scarlett and time. No for Parting who out of the last 4 Code S was in the RO16 once.
Innovation and soO in slump so hard to say if they're ATM RO16 caliber(usually they are though)
I mean how can you call Scarlett RO16 Code S when she tried and failed every Code S this year? She ended 3rd, 4th and 4th IIRC in RO32 groups.
It could very well be a Code S ro16(or very close to), just not the strongest possible lineup.
I had this discussion elsewhere before. The most objective measurement for the question who would qualify for GSL ro16 if it was a global event is the IEM World Championship were almost evey relevant SC2-Player participates. IEM 2019 and 2018 featured 3 foreigners in ro16. An it probably would've only been 2 this year, if Classic would've been able to participate.
On July 27 2019 10:30 droppanda wrote: Vote Fantasy for the most entertaining games!
Really? He doesn't have that much of a case. You're asking me to vote for a guy who's done no better than a couple of Ro16s this year. If he got in I think he'd get bopped right away. I certainly don't view him in the same class as INnoVation or TY. Not this year, anyway. Like I've mentioned before, they each have a second place finish in a major tournament and Inno has a championship as well. I want to see the best possible lineup fielded on each side of this game, and THIS year, he's not in that discussion. Not even close to it.
Side note: HeRoMaRine vs Dark interview standoff please? :-) Can you imagine the ego oozing out of that match?
Innovation looked so bad in the Code S Ro32, he's talked about lacking motivation for practising enough. Let's be honest here, he's a legend but recently he's just not playing well.
We should vote for players who are currently in good form so that we can get the best and most entertaining games. Vote TY!
No for Showtime, heromarine, Scarlett and time. No for Parting who out of the last 4 Code S was in the RO16 once.
Innovation and soO in slump so hard to say if they're ATM RO16 caliber(usually they are though)
I mean how can you call Scarlett RO16 Code S when she tried and failed every Code S this year? She ended 3rd, 4th and 4th IIRC in RO32 groups.
It could very well be a Code S ro16(or very close to), just not the strongest possible lineup.
I had this discussion elsewhere before. The most objective measurement for the question who would qualify for GSL ro16 if it was a global event is the IEM World Championship were almost evey relevant SC2-Player participates. IEM 2019 and 2018 featured 3 foreigners in ro16. An it probably would've only been 2 this year, if Classic would've been able to participate.
Most objective? Not really. Katowice is just one tournament, even if it is the one with open qualifiers; what if we look at Code S S3 2018, which is an actual a Code S(no need for comparisons)? We find two foreigners in the ro16, out of three who qualified. And guess what? Not every single top foreigner went to Seoul to play the qualifiers, in fact seventeen non koreans tried: half of those were Chinese/Taiwanese and few were of the caliber of Mamba; you might have expected Scarlett and maybe Drogo, Kelazhur and Has(in 2018) to get through. The majority of the best western players(who are on this list) didn't even try, yet there were already as many in the ro16 as Katowice results makes you think it would be the appropriate esteem.
I don't know exactly why Katowice is so favourable to koreans, I think it's because the first "big" tournament of the year in which the two scenes clashes and koreans seem to adapt better in this early confrontation; it would be hard to explain BlizzCon's or the very Code S results foreigners had if you took Katowice as predictive model.
On July 25 2019 04:29 kochanfe wrote: Weird that Zest is not an option for Protoss... I'd vote for him over any of the six in the poll if I could. Does anyone happen to know why he's not included?
maybe his wcs point rank is not enough, it seems that they choose highest 6 players for us to vote
Vote Trap, it would’ve a huge disservice to StarCraft in general and completely wrong if he was left out after the year he’s been having. He REALLY should’ve been seeded but Blizzard pulled the rug out from under him at the last minute. Vote Trap if you believe in justice.
On July 28 2019 00:48 StarcraftSquall wrote: Vote Trap, it would’ve a huge disservice to StarCraft in general and completely wrong if he was left out after the year he’s been having. He REALLY should’ve been seeded but Blizzard pulled the rug out from under him at the last minute. Vote Trap if you believe in justice.
i went inno cause im a fanboy. but was very hard because TY has been showing some epic builds. i went ragnarok because his play is very interesting as of late. i went parting cause he has such good charisma.
INno and TY competing for first place is probably bad for Fantasy I guess, since it'll eat into the votes that Fantasy needs to beat Trap for fifth place.
On July 28 2019 05:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote: INno and TY competing for first place is probably bad for Fantasy I guess, since it'll eat into the votes that Fantasy needs to beat Trap for fifth place.
On July 25 2019 04:04 Elentos wrote: Don't see it happening but voted TY in hopes that he can overcome Inno's China support. I want a GSL caster to represent GSL at GSL vs the World damn it!
Extrapolating from their growth trajectories, it's actually TY and Stats that are in the greatest danger. Both of them started with huge leads that have now been whittled down to virtually nothing.
On July 28 2019 07:37 pvsnp wrote: Extrapolating from their growth trajectories, it's actually TY and Stats that are in the greatest danger. Both of them started with huge leads that have now been whittled down to virtually nothing.
Of course, that's only if prior trends hold true.
TY's lead to 2nd place was never that big even when Inno hadn't done anything to advertise himself. And when Inno actually started streaming the lead pretty much just vanished.
Stats' lead seems pretty stable. It's not been a big lead ever since the movement to get Trap in started, but a lead's a lead.
On July 28 2019 00:48 StarcraftSquall wrote: Vote Trap, it would’ve a huge disservice to StarCraft in general and completely wrong if he was left out after the year he’s been having. He REALLY should’ve been seeded but Blizzard pulled the rug out from under him at the last minute. Vote Trap if you believe in justice.
Sorry but my heart is with Phantaji.
Best player by Elo at the end of BW professional era (only lost to Jangbi, even beat Flash 3-0), and he decides to try SC2 after military service instead of going back to BW where he would stomp. You know this guy has passion for SC2.
P.S. entry to this tournament is not meant to be based on skill, that's why they have a voting system instead of proper qualifiers.
On July 28 2019 00:48 StarcraftSquall wrote: Vote Trap, it would’ve a huge disservice to StarCraft in general and completely wrong if he was left out after the year he’s been having. He REALLY should’ve been seeded but Blizzard pulled the rug out from under him at the last minute. Vote Trap if you believe in justice.
Sorry but my heart is with Phantaji.
Best player by Elo at the end of BW professional era (only lost to Jangbi, even beat Flash 3-0), and he decides to try SC2 after military service instead of going back to BW where he would stomp. You know this guy has passion for SC2.
P.S. entry to this tournament is not meant to be based on skill, that's why they have a voting system instead of proper qualifiers.
First, this isn’t Brood War.
Second, he hasn’t done anything worthy of being in this conversation in SC2 yet. We’ve seen him hit two Ro16s.........and that’s it. For the entire year.
If he gets in over Trap it would be like... let me see if I can come up with a good example... The Chiefs going 14-2 but being told the Cowboys took their spot even though they are 4-12 because they want more viewers.
Maybe he will end up schooling people but it hasn’t happened this year and I see no evidence that is changing. Heck, Dark swapped him INTO his group last week to make it easier, that should tell you all you need to know about his year.
On July 28 2019 00:48 StarcraftSquall wrote: Vote Trap, it would’ve a huge disservice to StarCraft in general and completely wrong if he was left out after the year he’s been having. He REALLY should’ve been seeded but Blizzard pulled the rug out from under him at the last minute. Vote Trap if you believe in justice.
Sorry but my heart is with Phantaji.
Best player by Elo at the end of BW professional era (only lost to Jangbi, even beat Flash 3-0), and he decides to try SC2 after military service instead of going back to BW where he would stomp. You know this guy has passion for SC2.
P.S. entry to this tournament is not meant to be based on skill, that's why they have a voting system instead of proper qualifiers.
First, this isn’t Brood War.
Second, he hasn’t done anything worthy of being in this conversation in SC2 yet. We’ve seen him hit two Ro16s.........and that’s it. For the entire year.
If he gets in over Trap it would be like... let me see if I can come up with a good example... The Chiefs going 14-2 but being told the Cowboys took their spot even though they are 4-12 because they want more viewers.
Maybe he will end up schooling people but it hasn’t happened this year and I see no evidence that is changing. Heck, Dark swapped him INTO his group last week to make it easier, that should tell you all you need to know about his year.
Yeah his results aren't as good as trap.
But this tournament entry is a fan popularity contest, not based on skill.
On July 28 2019 07:37 pvsnp wrote: Extrapolating from their growth trajectories, it's actually TY and Stats that are in the greatest danger. Both of them started with huge leads that have now been whittled down to virtually nothing.
Of course, that's only if prior trends hold true.
TY's lead to 2nd place was never that big even when Inno hadn't done anything to advertise himself. And when Inno actually started streaming the lead pretty much just vanished.
Stats' lead seems pretty stable. It's not been a big lead ever since the movement to get Trap in started, but a lead's a lead.
wtf？Inno hadn't done anything to advertise himself？？INnovation asked everybody to vote for him live every day.
Honestly, I’m okay with TY and Inno both being in. I’m not okay with Trap losing a spot to a second tier players when he should have been seeded directly. If that happens chances are 9 to 1 he gets bopped Match 1, and no one wants to see bops in this event.
On July 28 2019 16:01 StarcraftSquall wrote: Honestly, I’m okay with TY and Inno both being in. I’m not okay with Trap losing a spot to a second tier players when he should have been seeded directly. If that happens chances are 9 to 1 he gets bopped Match 1, and no one wants to see bops in this event.
Moving off the Trap debate for just a minute:that TY/Inno race is ridiculously close. 😬 Who do you think actually gets more votes?
Also, vote for Trap please. (I did say just for a minute. 🤣)
Disclaimer (Should be noted no one ASKED me to back Trap I am just a fan of seeing hard work finally getting rewarded when someone breaks through their ceiling as much as he has. Can you really justify leaving the 2nd best Protoss in Korea out of the tournament this year with the year Protoss is having in GSL?)
I just voted Stats because if I vote for a Terran or Zerg and Stats doesnt win the protoss then that Terran or Zerg might take a wild card spot from Stats. So far, slStats is still up 200 on Though as #1 protoss vote getter
On July 28 2019 17:09 StarcraftSquall wrote: Moving off the Trap debate for just a minute:that TY/Inno race is ridiculously close. 😬 Who do you think actually gets more votes?
Inno has a lot of voting power from Chinese fans and he's never lost a popularity vote as long as I can remember, not even against Flash or Maru. So I think at the end of the day he'll still win (even if it's close) as long as he keeps streaming regularly and TY has to worry about beating Fantasy most of all.
I think Stats is still the most Dynamic protoss. Last GSLseason he lost twice to. Innovation. 2-1 in the deciding match stats has been in the toughest groups in gsl. Already in round of 16 for Season 3. Runner up at IEM Katowice. 5-0 in matches in the group stage. Beat Maru in the Super Tournament 3-2 and
Stats had some incredible micro and adaptation against Ragnorok and Maru just yesterday. I think Ragnarok is one of the best Zergs right now.
Stats beat Serral 2-0 at Homestory and won that group stage not losing a single match and going 7-0 15-2 on maps the group. Soo and TY got Stats in the bracket. Still Stats and Reynor are the only 2 who beat Serral in a match in 2019
On July 28 2019 17:45 sertman wrote: Sorry Trap, but Terran games are infinitely more entertaining to watch than Protoss games, so I'm voting Fantasy.
Great job, I hope all 3 Terrans go through.
Terran fans, going from whining 24/7 because there are not enough Terran around to turn GSL vs The World into Terran vs the others(at the moment, 7 Terran-5 Zerg-4 Protoss) on top of almost 1000 more votes over Protoss and 2000 over Zerg.
People can vote whoever they want but pretending this event is just a bunch of showmatches is senseless; we could easily have the most stacked lineup(out of the players we can choose), let's vote Fantasy instead(I really like him but I feel he is out of place here). Unless Fantasy somehow turns into a top tier player in one week, he is the new 2018 Kelazhur.
Also, Trap should have had his place locked and Fantasy should have contended his spot with Stats, Inno and TY...silly Blizzard.
Okay, so now I'm a Terran fan apparently, despite prefering Serral over any other player by far. Terran matchups are the most entertaining to watch (by far imo) which is why I said I'd be happy with all of these 3 Terrans being voted it. Fantasy might not be the best player possible, but he's one of the best for bringing entertaining games.
On July 28 2019 19:26 HolydaKing wrote: Okay, so now I'm a Terran fan apparently, despite prefering Serral over any other player by far. Terran matchups are the most entertaining to watch (by far imo) which is why I said I'd be happy with all of these 3 Terrans being voted it. Fantasy might not be the best player possible, but he's one of the best for bringing entertaining games.
I doubt you were the one giving 2200 votes to Fantasy, were you? I'm not addressing anyone in particular.
Given that we can choose, a perfect split of 3-3-2 is better than a 4-2-2 distribution, and to see all the best player competing is better than having just one very entertaining player against a more competitive field. That would be true in any of case, even worse if this is done at the expense of Trap.
On July 28 2019 17:45 sertman wrote: Sorry Trap, but Terran games are infinitely more entertaining to watch than Protoss games, so I'm voting Fantasy.
Great job, I hope all 3 Terrans go through.
Terran fans, going from whining 24/7 because there are not enough Terran around to turn GSL vs The World into Terran vs the others(at the moment, 7 Terran-5 Zerg-4 Protoss) on top of almost 1000 more votes over Protoss and 2000 over Zerg.
People can vote whoever they want but pretending this event is just a bunch of showmatches is senseless; we could easily have the most stacked lineup(out of the players we can choose), let's vote Fantasy instead(I really like him but I feel he is out of place here). Unless Fantasy somehow turns into a top tier player in one week, he is the new 2018 Kelazhur.
Also, Trap should have had his place locked and Fantasy should have contended his spot with Stats, Inno and TY...silly Blizzard.
Not a Terran fan, just a Starcraft fan who likes entertaining games. If it were a Zerg in Fantasy's position I would have voted for them over Trap too. Just means I get to watch more games since I usually switch to something else when Protoss is playing. If that's a common opinion Fantasy will win, dont shoot the messenger.
Well, you didn't need to quote me then. I'm pretty sure I voted TY, Stats and soO. Like 90+% of votes coming in from this point are from new accounts of fans of the players anyway, and they probably won't check the comments nor care about who is the best.
On July 28 2019 19:26 HolydaKing wrote: Okay, so now I'm a Terran fan apparently, despite prefering Serral over any other player by far. Terran matchups are the most entertaining to watch (by far imo) which is why I said I'd be happy with all of these 3 Terrans being voted it. Fantasy might not be the best player possible, but he's one of the best for bringing entertaining games.
Given that we can choose, a perfect split of 3-3-2 is better than a 4-2-2 distribution
Nah, the fewer pre-patch Protoss players the better
On July 28 2019 19:26 HolydaKing wrote: Okay, so now I'm a Terran fan apparently, despite prefering Serral over any other player by far. Terran matchups are the most entertaining to watch (by far imo) which is why I said I'd be happy with all of these 3 Terrans being voted it. Fantasy might not be the best player possible, but he's one of the best for bringing entertaining games.
Given that we can choose, a perfect split of 3-3-2 is better than a 4-2-2 distribution
Nah, the fewer pre-patch Protoss players the better
The extremely strong and scary figured out pre patch Protoss...sure man.
No for Showtime, heromarine, Scarlett and time. No for Parting who out of the last 4 Code S was in the RO16 once.
Innovation and soO in slump so hard to say if they're ATM RO16 caliber(usually they are though)
I mean how can you call Scarlett RO16 Code S when she tried and failed every Code S this year? She ended 3rd, 4th and 4th IIRC in RO32 groups.
It could very well be a Code S ro16(or very close to), just not the strongest possible lineup.
I had this discussion elsewhere before. The most objective measurement for the question who would qualify for GSL ro16 if it was a global event is the IEM World Championship were almost evey relevant SC2-Player participates. IEM 2019 and 2018 featured 3 foreigners in ro16. An it probably would've only been 2 this year, if Classic would've been able to participate.
Most objective? Not really. Katowice is just one tournament, even if it is the one with open qualifiers; what if we look at Code S S3 2018, which is an actual a Code S(no need for comparisons)? We find two foreigners in the ro16, out of three who qualified. And guess what? Not every single top foreigner went to Seoul to play the qualifiers, in fact seventeen non koreans tried: half of those were Chinese/Taiwanese and few were of the caliber of Mamba; you might have expected Scarlett and maybe Drogo, Kelazhur and Has(in 2018) to get through. The majority of the best western players(who are on this list) didn't even try, yet there were already as many in the ro16 as Katowice results makes you think it would be the appropriate esteem.
I don't know exactly why Katowice is so favourable to koreans, I think it's because the first "big" tournament of the year in which the two scenes clashes and koreans seem to adapt better in this early confrontation; it would be hard to explain BlizzCon's or the very Code S results foreigners had if you took Katowice as predictive model.
The problem is: you're comparing a potential scenario with a tournament that actually happened - 3 times in this format over the course of 3 years. Also, from those players making it into GSL Ro16 in 2017/18/19 Special and Neeb are matching with the ones being capable of reaching IEM top16 (the only other ones being Scarlett and Reynor). We also had multiple times with no foreigner appearance at all in GSL Ro16, despite almost always some strong players participating. I'm not saying that the foreigners we'll have at GSLvsWorld wouldn't be capable of reaching GSL Ro16 at all but experience shows that they don't perform that well at the same time. The list of potential Ro16 players is just still so much deeper in South Korea that it's just not very likely that more than 2-4 foreigners would make it in there - as IEM has demonstrated multiple times.
Also the foreigners we saw in GSL Ro16 and further are also candidates who made it into the top16 of IEM
I just noticed the difference in total votes on each race. I think next year, vote should force voters to vote one player for each race. It's quite an advantage for the terran nominees compared to the other races. Another solution could be, to not let value the absolute vote count for the 2nd place of each race but the percentage he got of the total votes of each race.
No for Showtime, heromarine, Scarlett and time. No for Parting who out of the last 4 Code S was in the RO16 once.
Innovation and soO in slump so hard to say if they're ATM RO16 caliber(usually they are though)
I mean how can you call Scarlett RO16 Code S when she tried and failed every Code S this year? She ended 3rd, 4th and 4th IIRC in RO32 groups.
It could very well be a Code S ro16(or very close to), just not the strongest possible lineup.
I had this discussion elsewhere before. The most objective measurement for the question who would qualify for GSL ro16 if it was a global event is the IEM World Championship were almost evey relevant SC2-Player participates. IEM 2019 and 2018 featured 3 foreigners in ro16. An it probably would've only been 2 this year, if Classic would've been able to participate.
Most objective? Not really. Katowice is just one tournament, even if it is the one with open qualifiers; what if we look at Code S S3 2018, which is an actual a Code S(no need for comparisons)? We find two foreigners in the ro16, out of three who qualified. And guess what? Not every single top foreigner went to Seoul to play the qualifiers, in fact seventeen non koreans tried: half of those were Chinese/Taiwanese and few were of the caliber of Mamba; you might have expected Scarlett and maybe Drogo, Kelazhur and Has(in 2018) to get through. The majority of the best western players(who are on this list) didn't even try, yet there were already as many in the ro16 as Katowice results makes you think it would be the appropriate esteem.
I don't know exactly why Katowice is so favourable to koreans, I think it's because the first "big" tournament of the year in which the two scenes clashes and koreans seem to adapt better in this early confrontation; it would be hard to explain BlizzCon's or the very Code S results foreigners had if you took Katowice as predictive model.
The problem is: you're comparing a potential scenario with a tournament that actually happened - 3 times in this format over the course of 3 years. Also, from those players making it into GSL Ro16 in 2017/18/19 Special and Neeb are matching with the ones being capable of reaching IEM top16 (the only other ones being Scarlett and Reynor). We also had multiple times with no foreigner appearance at all in GSL Ro16, despite almost always some strong players participating. I'm not saying that the foreigners we'll have at GSLvsWorld wouldn't be capable of reaching GSL Ro16 at all but experience shows that they don't perform that well at the same time. The list of potential Ro16 players is just still so much deeper in South Korea that it's just not very likely that more than 2-4 foreigners would make it in there - as IEM has demonstrated multiple times.
Also the foreigners we saw in GSL Ro16 and further are also candidates who made it into the top16 of IEM
What IEM shows is only that foreigners don't perform well at the tournament for some reason(s); BlizzCon's results sayotherwise(yes, they qualify separately but I will never cease repeating some results just can't happen if there is a very big skill cap) and actually in Code S itself we see foreigners perform better than we could predict if we only consider IEM. Scarlett in top shape went to ro8, Special in good shape is making ro16 on a regular basis; which are those other strong players failing to get to ro16 you mention? Elazer in 2018? I cannot stress enough how the majority of the most competitive WCS players do not even try to qualify for Code S, I think your estimation of two or three foreigners in one ideal Code S ro16 is too restrictive.
Coming to GSL vs the World, I agree with your idea that people should vote for players of all of three races.
Hell yea, seems that Fantasy will edge out that snooze fest protoss. Let's just hope that all Ty, Fantasy and Stats can keep their lead, and we are up for some fun games .
@Xainon Blizzcon doesn't have an open qualification process. It's not featuring the currently best players as some of'em are qualified via pointgathering without ever performing great or by successes long before the actual tournament. Also Blizzcon has a 8/16 foreigner rate per definition which makes chances for foreigners much higher as the participating player pool of Koreans isn't as deep as if it was an open tournament. Other strong players not qualifying for GSL Ro16? Well, Scarlett and Special multiple times which stresses my point: they're capable of making Ro16 but it's also not surprising if not.
The only thing that could make it easier for foreigner in GSL compared to IEM is the greater amount of grid luck in the qualifiers. In qualifiers for IEM one has to potentially compete against the whole player field in every online qualifier and the offline qualifier brackets are much bigger and double elim from the beginning. Also Ro32 group stage can go quite lucky while one has to compete vs 5 other players in IEM group stage.
Trap has accumulated 5,465 points in premier tournaments since the year started. (This includes HSC & WESG results). This is the 7th best total in the world.
FanTaSy has accumulated 1,100. This is the 40th best.
The only players to accumulate more in the same time period: Serral, Dark, Maru, Classic, INnoVation and soO.
If you’re in the top ten overall there’s absolutely no reason you should be left out here. NONE. That is all.
This would be the equivalent of Reynor not getting a seed on the Circuit side, it’s that bad of a look.
On July 29 2019 00:38 fronkschnonk wrote: @Xainon Blizzcon doesn't have an open qualification process. It's not featuring the currently best players as some of'em are qualified via pointgathering without ever performing great or by successes long before the actual tournament. Also Blizzcon has a 8/16 foreigner rate per definition which makes chances for foreigners much higher as the participating player pool of Koreans isn't as deep as if it was an open tournament. Other strong players not qualifying for GSL Ro16? Well, Scarlett and Special multiple times which stresses my point: they're capable of making Ro16 but it's also not surprising if not.
The only thing that could make it easier for foreigner in GSL compared to IEM is the greater amount of grid luck in the qualifiers. In qualifiers for IEM one has to potentially compete against the whole player field in every online qualifier and the offline qualifier brackets are much bigger and double elim from the beginning. Also Ro32 group stage can go quite lucky while one has to compete vs 5 other players in IEM group stage.
You can have inferior players seeded in exceeding number and they still won't win(see foreigners vs koreans during the entire HOTS expansion). If you really believe there are two foreigners in World's top 16 entirely based on IEM(a tournament that comes very early in the season and that either sees very few foreigners qualifying or foreigners underperforming after having qualified), it's fine, but you won't convince me that mirrors the truth since the indications coming from other cross region tournaments are marginally or substantially better, there is no way out. Even strong koreans don't always make ro16 in Code S.
On July 29 2019 02:25 Elentos wrote: The Terran poll now has more votes than any of the Korean votes had last year. But can it catch up to the Brazilian CS:GO voting numbers?
On July 29 2019 00:38 fronkschnonk wrote: @Xainon Blizzcon doesn't have an open qualification process. It's not featuring the currently best players as some of'em are qualified via pointgathering without ever performing great or by successes long before the actual tournament. Also Blizzcon has a 8/16 foreigner rate per definition which makes chances for foreigners much higher as the participating player pool of Koreans isn't as deep as if it was an open tournament. Other strong players not qualifying for GSL Ro16? Well, Scarlett and Special multiple times which stresses my point: they're capable of making Ro16 but it's also not surprising if not.
The only thing that could make it easier for foreigner in GSL compared to IEM is the greater amount of grid luck in the qualifiers. In qualifiers for IEM one has to potentially compete against the whole player field in every online qualifier and the offline qualifier brackets are much bigger and double elim from the beginning. Also Ro32 group stage can go quite lucky while one has to compete vs 5 other players in IEM group stage.
You can have inferior players seeded in exceeding number and they still won't win(see foreigners vs koreans during the entire HOTS expansion). If you really believe there are two foreigners in World's top 16 entirely based on IEM(a tournament that comes very early in the season and that either sees very few foreigners qualifying or foreigners underperforming after having qualified), it's fine, but you won't convince me that mirrors the truth since the indications coming from other cross region tournaments are marginally or substantially better, there is no way out. Even strong koreans don't always make ro16 in Code S.
So foreigners just happened to underperform at IEM Katowice 3 years in a row?
On July 29 2019 02:25 Elentos wrote: The Terran poll now has more votes than any of the Korean votes had last year. But can it catch up to the Brazilian CS:GO voting numbers?
How many votes did the brazilian madness produce?
Over 11k. There was a super close race between uThermal and Heromarine going on and then Kelazhur beat them by over 4000 votes
On July 29 2019 00:38 fronkschnonk wrote: @Xainon Blizzcon doesn't have an open qualification process. It's not featuring the currently best players as some of'em are qualified via pointgathering without ever performing great or by successes long before the actual tournament. Also Blizzcon has a 8/16 foreigner rate per definition which makes chances for foreigners much higher as the participating player pool of Koreans isn't as deep as if it was an open tournament. Other strong players not qualifying for GSL Ro16? Well, Scarlett and Special multiple times which stresses my point: they're capable of making Ro16 but it's also not surprising if not.
The only thing that could make it easier for foreigner in GSL compared to IEM is the greater amount of grid luck in the qualifiers. In qualifiers for IEM one has to potentially compete against the whole player field in every online qualifier and the offline qualifier brackets are much bigger and double elim from the beginning. Also Ro32 group stage can go quite lucky while one has to compete vs 5 other players in IEM group stage.
You can have inferior players seeded in exceeding number and they still won't win(see foreigners vs koreans during the entire HOTS expansion). If you really believe there are two foreigners in World's top 16 entirely based on IEM(a tournament that comes very early in the season and that either sees very few foreigners qualifying or foreigners underperforming after having qualified), it's fine, but you won't convince me that mirrors the truth since the indications coming from other cross region tournaments are marginally or substantially better, there is no way out. Even strong koreans don't always make ro16 in Code S.
So foreigners just happened to underperform at IEM Katowice 3 years in a row?
Either this or they overperformed almost everywhere else, choose the one you prefer.
Where exactly have they overperformed besides Blizzcon? It's easy for foreigners to perform well at Blizzcon because of the format and player pool. If the groups play out in certain ways they only have to win one bo3 vs a Korean to make top 8. And several of the times a foreigner made top 4 they got the other foreigner in the top 8 match. Compared to Katowice it is much easier to make top 8 because of the format and also player pool. Foreigners with the exception of Serral have generally done pretty badly at GSL vs the World and Homestory Cups which are the other main international events.
On July 29 2019 02:25 Elentos wrote: The Terran poll now has more votes than any of the Korean votes had last year. But can it catch up to the Brazilian CS:GO voting numbers?
How many votes did the brazilian madness produce?
Over 11k. There was a super close race between uThermal and Heromarine going on and then Kelazhur beat them by over 4000 votes
Only to get 3-0ed by Serral.
Fantasy will probably know a similar fate if he manages to get in by votes. As for Trap, it depends on when the patch hits I guess? He has a lot more chances than fantasy anyways.
It’s this simple right now: the vote is for Trap or FanTaSy.
Voting for Trap means you put more emphasis on good results in offline tournaments that actually matter to the majority of the SC2 fan base
Voting for FanTaSy means you put more emphasis on streaming popularity even if they have no solid results in offline events to back it up during the year, you’re interested in a popularity contest.
I am not voting for Trap because I am a fan of his, not because he is a Protoss or because I’m annoyed with some Terran fans whining: i genuinely believe he should be there above everyone else in the voting process except soO. I want to see results get rewarded, especially for someone who has been trying to break through for years and finally has a resume to warrant, and really demand inclusion. (I kind of feel if he didn’t play Toss his campaign wouldn’t be so scrutinized - I am a little surprised Maru hasn’t gone to bat for him more yet considering they are teammates.)
Simply put I want the players having the best seasons to play. If the resumes were reversed I’d be arguing for FanTaSy just as hard. But it’s Trap’s year as far as I’m concerned. He deserves this shot. Who knows what will happen next year?
On July 29 2019 02:25 Elentos wrote: The Terran poll now has more votes than any of the Korean votes had last year. But can it catch up to the Brazilian CS:GO voting numbers?
How many votes did the brazilian madness produce?
Over 11k. There was a super close race between uThermal and Heromarine going on and then Kelazhur beat them by over 4000 votes
Only to get 3-0ed by Serral.
Fantasy will probably know a similar fate if he manages to get in by votes. As for Trap, it depends on when the patch hits I guess? He has a lot more chances than fantasy anyways.
To be fair last year Kelazhur played better against Serral than Inno did.
On a serious note Fantasy stands a good chance of being able to lose to any foreigner in Team World should he get voted in.
So what the hell is going on here? I did not really pay attention to this until it has been brought to my attention that Fantasy is in the running. How is that even possible, the guy is literally irrelevant in sc2 ...
On July 29 2019 04:26 opisska wrote: So what the hell is going on here? I did not really pay attention to this until it has been brought to my attention that Fantasy is in the running. How is that even possible, the guy is literally irrelevant in sc2 ...
People and Fantasy himself want to see him lose to foreigners, because that's what gonna happen. (also he has quite big and loyal fanbase)
People can't even vote intelligently in real elections, what's so surprising about this video game election?
If Fantasy wins, it means more people like him. Popularity is not the same as competence. But popularity is what decides victory. Vote for whomever you choose, everyone else votes for whonever they choose, and let the most popular choice win. That's just how democracy works.
On July 29 2019 04:26 opisska wrote: So what the hell is going on here? I did not really pay attention to this until it has been brought to my attention that Fantasy is in the running. How is that even possible, the guy is literally irrelevant in sc2 ...
He is not really irrelevant, his level is probably a bit above the average level of the World crew coming to this event. If he is there there'll be probably more close matches between koreans and foreigners so it's not that bad, but he is not as good as Trap this year for sure.
On July 29 2019 00:38 fronkschnonk wrote: @Xainon Blizzcon doesn't have an open qualification process. It's not featuring the currently best players as some of'em are qualified via pointgathering without ever performing great or by successes long before the actual tournament. Also Blizzcon has a 8/16 foreigner rate per definition which makes chances for foreigners much higher as the participating player pool of Koreans isn't as deep as if it was an open tournament. Other strong players not qualifying for GSL Ro16? Well, Scarlett and Special multiple times which stresses my point: they're capable of making Ro16 but it's also not surprising if not.
The only thing that could make it easier for foreigner in GSL compared to IEM is the greater amount of grid luck in the qualifiers. In qualifiers for IEM one has to potentially compete against the whole player field in every online qualifier and the offline qualifier brackets are much bigger and double elim from the beginning. Also Ro32 group stage can go quite lucky while one has to compete vs 5 other players in IEM group stage.
You can have inferior players seeded in exceeding number and they still won't win(see foreigners vs koreans during the entire HOTS expansion). If you really believe there are two foreigners in World's top 16 entirely based on IEM(a tournament that comes very early in the season and that either sees very few foreigners qualifying or foreigners underperforming after having qualified), it's fine, but you won't convince me that mirrors the truth since the indications coming from other cross region tournaments are marginally or substantially better, there is no way out. Even strong koreans don't always make ro16 in Code S.
But I'm not talking about inferior players per se. We do have quite some foreigners who can compete vs top Koreans, but: most of them on a very unconsistent level. Also, the amount of evenly high skilled players from Korea is still that much higher that the probability of foreigners getting into a Ro16 in high numbers isn't that high - assuming an open qualifying process.
Your arguments about IEM are ... weird: Why should "early in the season" mean anything? And how would you like to differentiate this between foreigners and Koreans? That's just guesswork. Foreigners are not underperforming at IEM. Most of them show respectable results by taking some matches also against strong Koreans. Not getting into top16 doesn't mean one has a bad performance. The "indications coming from other cross region tournaments" are hardly usable data as those tournaments are "rigged". from the get go. The difference in the qualification process is substantial because even if all the 8 foreigners were Ro16 material skill wise (which I doubt) they wouldn't have all qualified via open quailifiers because of the laws of stochastics, considering the much greater amount of "Ro16 material"-Koreans. It also doesn't matter that "even strong koreans don't always make ro16 in Code S" because there are enough other strong Koreans to step in.
On July 29 2019 04:26 opisska wrote: So what the hell is going on here? I did not really pay attention to this until it has been brought to my attention that Fantasy is in the running. How is that even possible, the guy is literally irrelevant in sc2 ...
He is not really irrelevant, his level is probably a bit above the average level of the World crew coming to this event. If he is there there'll be probably more close matches between koreans and foreigners so it's not that bad, but he is not as good as Trap this year for sure.
Well, he's the weakest Korean, he's not a Code S RO8 material player(while being at the group A may result in an advancement) and he's the weakest Korean there and that's not in the measurement that he's 8th best Korean. I dare to say he's the 5th weakest player of the tournament if the foreigner polls ends in the current state. And that's mostly because I have no clue how's Fanta's, Heromarine's and μThermal's TvT and I placed Fanta above them.
Edit> screw it, i'm not rewriting it and yes, I write as an idiot
There are four foreigners that can compete with the Koreans without any debate:
Serral, Reynor, Neeb and SpeCial. They have proven this. The foreign scene is much stronger than it used to be and also has the strongest player in the world in Serral.
Another reason to vote Trap’s competence: last year’s IEM he may have been the closest player to take out Serral in a Bo5 for the entire season. He really is showing he’s that good. Stats is going to win the Korean Protoss vote it looks like but I would argue Trap is doing even better than him.
On July 29 2019 00:38 fronkschnonk wrote: @Xainon Blizzcon doesn't have an open qualification process. It's not featuring the currently best players as some of'em are qualified via pointgathering without ever performing great or by successes long before the actual tournament. Also Blizzcon has a 8/16 foreigner rate per definition which makes chances for foreigners much higher as the participating player pool of Koreans isn't as deep as if it was an open tournament. Other strong players not qualifying for GSL Ro16? Well, Scarlett and Special multiple times which stresses my point: they're capable of making Ro16 but it's also not surprising if not.
The only thing that could make it easier for foreigner in GSL compared to IEM is the greater amount of grid luck in the qualifiers. In qualifiers for IEM one has to potentially compete against the whole player field in every online qualifier and the offline qualifier brackets are much bigger and double elim from the beginning. Also Ro32 group stage can go quite lucky while one has to compete vs 5 other players in IEM group stage.
You can have inferior players seeded in exceeding number and they still won't win(see foreigners vs koreans during the entire HOTS expansion). If you really believe there are two foreigners in World's top 16 entirely based on IEM(a tournament that comes very early in the season and that either sees very few foreigners qualifying or foreigners underperforming after having qualified), it's fine, but you won't convince me that mirrors the truth since the indications coming from other cross region tournaments are marginally or substantially better, there is no way out. Even strong koreans don't always make ro16 in Code S.
But I'm not talking about inferior players per se. We do have quite some foreigners who can compete vs top Koreans, but: most of them on a very unconsistent level. Also, the amount of evenly high skilled players from Korea is still that much higher that the probability of foreigners getting into a Ro16 in high numbers isn't that high - assuming an open qualifying process.
Your arguments about IEM are ... weird: Why should "early in the season" mean anything? And how would you like to differentiate this between foreigners and Koreans? That's just guesswork. Foreigners are not underperforming at IEM. Most of them show respectable results by taking some matches also against strong Koreans. Not getting into top16 doesn't mean one has a bad performance. The "indications coming from other cross region tournaments" are hardly usable data as those tournaments are "rigged". from the get go. The difference in the qualification process is substantial because even if all the 8 foreigners were Ro16 material skill wise (which I doubt) they wouldn't have all qualified via open quailifiers because of the laws of stochastics, considering the much greater amount of "Ro16 material"-Koreans. It also doesn't matter that "even strong koreans don't always make ro16 in Code S" because there are enough other strong Koreans to step in.
The fact is that foreigners perform worse in IEM Katowice than they do in other tournaments(we should actually look at numbers because I am under the impression the winrate itself is lower, not just the raw number of non koreans qualifying to the event or getting to the ro16). You say it's because IEM has the best qualifying system and that exposes foreigners' weaknesses(are you implying IEM is a better tournament than Code S? You seriously risk to be condemned for heresy, be wary ;') while I think there must be another explanation(considering foreigners in LoTV have generally performed better against koreans in other tournaments); the fact that, in a not unified meta with separated ladder, IEM being the first international tournament played on a new patch after months of isolation MIGHT be a factor; I never claimed this IS the truth and I don't know exactly why it should favor koreans, it just does if we accept my hypothesis.
I am not trying nor I have ever tried to adverse your statement that eight foreigners in the ro16 would be an unlikely occasion given the superior density of high level korean players; I am more concerned about statements regarding their level of skill, so if that the best eight players in WCS(a lineup pretty close to the one that's going to this event) are a suitable or decent approximation of the #9-#16 players of GSL, or that, with a certain single combination of events(and, as such, pretty unlikely), we could see a Code S with the same lineup as this GSL vs The World.
On July 29 2019 07:00 StarcraftSquall wrote: There are four foreigners that can compete with the Koreans without any debate:
Serral, Reynor, Neeb and SpeCial. They have proven this. The foreign scene is much stronger than it used to be and also has the strongest player in the world in Serral.
Another reason to vote Trap’s competence: last year’s IEM he may have been the closest player to take out Serral in a Bo5 for the entire season. He really is showing he’s that good. Stats is going to win the Korean Protoss vote it looks like but I would argue Trap is doing even better than him.
Trap is doing great but if you are talking about defeating Serral at the tournament, Stats has better score than anyone else against him (he even 2-0 Serral at HomeStory Cup)
If you vote for both FanTaSy and Trap, that’s not solving the issue at this point.
Last two hours had 24 FanTaSy votes and only 11 Trap votes.
The SC2 Community can do better. Plus, if you don’t for Trap (or you cast votes for FanTasy) you’ll be disappointing his teammate, Maru, Terran fans... 😬 do you really want that? 👀
We need more Trap votes without FanTaSy votes to make it happen.
Here’s a wide picture update: (Barring any sudden massive changes aka Kelazhur 2018):
Korea Terran: TY seems to be safely in first. Korea Zerg: soO is running away and hiding. Korea Protoss: Stats has a sizable but not insurmountable lead. Korea Wildcard: This is the point of contention. INnoVation appears he will get one spot if he doesn’t catch TY. The second card is between Trap and FanTaSy.
World Terran: HeRoMaRinE. You can stop. World Zerg: Reynor is dominating the votes, to nobody’s surprise. World Protoss: ShoWTimE. You can stop here as well. World Wildcard: Scarlett has more than twice the votes of the 2nd contender. This race also appears to be over.
In short, we’re pretty much locked except for the second 🇰🇷 Wildcard.
(I urge people to vote for Trap and not FanTaSy personally - not because I am against or for either player but simply it’s the right thing to do. It’s like Neeb or Reynor being voted out by Future on the World side.)
On July 29 2019 12:35 StarcraftSquall wrote: Here’s a wide picture update: (Barring any sudden massive changes aka Kelazhur 2018):
Korea Terran: TY seems to be safely in first. Korea Zerg: soO is running away and hiding. Korea Protoss: Stats has a sizable but not insurmountable lead. Korea Wildcard: This is the point of contention. INnoVation appears he will get one spot if he doesn’t catch TY. The second card is between Trap and FanTaSy.
World Terran: HeRoMaRinE. You can stop. World Zerg: Reynor is dominating the votes, to nobody’s surprise. World Protoss: ShoWTimE. You can stop here as well. World Wildcard: Scarlett has more than twice the votes of the 2nd contender. This race also appears to be over.
In short, we’re pretty much locked except for the second 🇰🇷 Wildcard.
(I urge people to vote for Trap and not FanTaSy personally - not because I am against or for either player but simply it’s the right thing to do. It’s like Neeb or Reynor being voted out by Future on the World side.)
Dude, you've made about a dozen posts about the exact same thing. I think everyone gets the idea.
Dude, you've made about a dozen posts about the exact same thing. I think everyone gets the idea.
I know, maybe it is just because I am finding this really upsetting. 😢 I dunno why I care this much about it, but I do.
(It could also be because I’m stuck in a box at work and have been doing almost nothing besides watching the Poll go the wrong way for the last 3.5 hours 😬)
Dude, you've made about a dozen posts about the exact same thing. I think everyone gets the idea.
I know, maybe it is just because I am finding this really upsetting. 😢 I dunno why I care this much about it, but I do.
(It could also be because I’m stuck in a box at work and have been doing almost nothing besides watching the Poll go the wrong way for the last 3.5 hours 😬)
If you're stuck there, why not watch some streams instead? The foreign teamhouse just wrapped up their 24h stream, but there are plenty others still on right now.
If you're stuck there, why not watch some streams instead? The foreign teamhouse just wrapped up their 24h stream, but there are plenty others still on right now.
That only works on unlimited data plans. 😬 Btw FanTaSy is offering bonuses to people who vote him in: i was wondering how he was getting so many votes all of a sudden. I’ll post a count between the two in question at the top of the hour.
On July 29 2019 12:35 StarcraftSquall wrote: Here’s a wide picture update: (Barring any sudden massive changes aka Kelazhur 2018):
Korea Terran: TY seems to be safely in first. Korea Zerg: soO is running away and hiding. Korea Protoss: Stats has a sizable but not insurmountable lead. Korea Wildcard: This is the point of contention. INnoVation appears he will get one spot if he doesn’t catch TY. The second card is between Trap and FanTaSy.
World Terran: HeRoMaRinE. You can stop. World Zerg: Reynor is dominating the votes, to nobody’s surprise. World Protoss: ShoWTimE. You can stop here as well. World Wildcard: Scarlett has more than twice the votes of the 2nd contender. This race also appears to be over.
In short, we’re pretty much locked except for the second 🇰🇷 Wildcard.
(I urge people to vote for Trap and not FanTaSy personally - not because I am against or for either player but simply it’s the right thing to do. It’s like Neeb or Reynor being voted out by Future on the World side.)
If you're stuck there, why not watch some streams instead? The foreign teamhouse just wrapped up their 24h stream, but there are plenty others still on right now.
That only works on unlimited data plans. 😬 Btw FanTaSy is offering bonuses to people who vote him in: i was wondering how he was getting so many votes all of a sudden. I’ll post a count between the two in question at the top of the hour.
If you're stuck there, why not watch some streams instead? The foreign teamhouse just wrapped up their 24h stream, but there are plenty others still on right now.
That only works on unlimited data plans. 😬 Btw FanTaSy is offering bonuses to people who vote him in: i was wondering how he was getting so many votes all of a sudden. I’ll post a count between the two in question at the top of the hour.
What kind of incentives is he offering and how do we apply for them ?
Are people still trying to figure out why Fantasy gets more votes lately? It's all about popularity and how and where the players (and their fans) tell people to vote for them.
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him
That ^ was factual. What I dislike is seeing a top ten, possibly a top five player in the world being left out in favor of a player who has stream popularity but really nothing else.
I am on Trap’s side THIS YEAR because I feel it’s justified. If the tables were reversed I’d be arguing the same way for FanTaSy. The offline achievements this year speak volumes.
The real crime is... Trap should have been a direct seed and not subject to all of this nonsense.
I feel results should be weighted much more than a popularity contest. And Trap has that in spades over FanTaSy this year. I don’t how many different ways you’d like me to say it, as one of our posters so eloquently pointed out.
On a side note: You know, I haven’t usually cared about race stuff but what I’m seeing happening here is making me personally grow more and more anti-Terran...
This is very upsetting to me and I’m not even a Trap fan or an anti-FanTaSy zealot. It just seems really bush league.
Ok... erg I got going on a tangent again: enough ranting, I’m going to bed. Vote for who you think deserves to go but I can’t see how you justify the 3rd best player in the Korea standings being left out in favor of the 21st.
On July 29 2019 07:00 StarcraftSquall wrote: There are four foreigners that can compete with the Koreans without any debate:
Serral, Reynor, Neeb and SpeCial. They have proven this. The foreign scene is much stronger than it used to be and also has the strongest player in the world in Serral.
Another reason to vote Trap’s competence: last year’s IEM he may have been the closest player to take out Serral in a Bo5 for the entire season. He really is showing he’s that good. Stats is going to win the Korean Protoss vote it looks like but I would argue Trap is doing even better than him.
The foreign scene isn't stronger than it used to be, it's still the same, we just have fewer Koreans. Blizzcon results didn't show any change in this regard, IEM neither. The only exception is Serral and your claim he's the best player in the world is questionable considering his IEM and WESG results.
Still the 1:3 ratio of successful foreigners more or less(or worse) around RO8 of Blizzcon, worse for IEM(because foreigners don't have granted spots). Occassionally some foreigner shows great run and then falls back(e.g. Scarlett, Neeb). The only exception to this is Serral and we had this before in Thorzain, Naniwa or Stephano.
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him
That ^ was factual. What I dislike is seeing a top ten, possibly a top five player in the world being left out in favor of a player who has stream popularity but really nothing else.
I am on Trap’s side THIS YEAR because I feel it’s justified. If the tables were reversed I’d be arguing the same way for FanTaSy. The offline achievements this year speak volumes.
The real crime is... Trap should have been a direct seed and not subject to all of this nonsense.
I feel results should be weighted much more than a popularity contest. And Trap has that in spades over FanTaSy this year. I don’t how many different ways you’d like me to say it, as one of our posters so eloquently pointed out.
On a side note: You know, I haven’t usually cared about race stuff but what I’m seeing happening here is making me personally grow more and more anti-Terran...
This is very upsetting to me and I’m not even a Trap fan or an anti-FanTaSy zealot. It just seems really bush league.
Ok... erg I got going on a tangent again: enough ranting, I’m going to bed. Vote for who you think deserves to go but I can’t see how you justify the 3rd best player in the Korea standings being left out in favor of the 21st.
Trap plays boring games, standard to the bone, nothing special. Fantasy plays whacky styles and is fun to watch. I don't care if one player is 2% better, I care if it's fun to watch.
I didn't think July of 2019 would be the time when people realized that SC2 fans like a variety of different players for a variety of different reasons
On July 29 2019 17:09 Waxangel wrote: I didn't think July of 2019 would be the time when people realized that SC2 fans like a variety of different players for a variety of different reasons
Ah damn for a moment I though you were saying JulyZerg was making a comeback and would participate
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him
That ^ was factual. What I dislike is seeing a top ten, possibly a top five player in the world being left out in favor of a player who has stream popularity but really nothing else.
I am on Trap’s side THIS YEAR because I feel it’s justified. If the tables were reversed I’d be arguing the same way for FanTaSy. The offline achievements this year speak volumes.
The real crime is... Trap should have been a direct seed and not subject to all of this nonsense.
I feel results should be weighted much more than a popularity contest. And Trap has that in spades over FanTaSy this year. I don’t how many different ways you’d like me to say it, as one of our posters so eloquently pointed out.
On a side note: You know, I haven’t usually cared about race stuff but what I’m seeing happening here is making me personally grow more and more anti-Terran...
This is very upsetting to me and I’m not even a Trap fan or an anti-FanTaSy zealot. It just seems really bush league.
Ok... erg I got going on a tangent again: enough ranting, I’m going to bed. Vote for who you think deserves to go but I can’t see how you justify the 3rd best player in the Korea standings being left out in favor of the 21st.
Trap plays boring games, standard to the bone, nothing special. Fantasy plays whacky styles and is fun to watch. I don't care if one player is 2% better, I care if it's fun to watch.
So you think Trap's series against Innovation or Classic were standard or boring? He became better this year, and more entertaining to watch. Fantasy is in a lower tier than Trap despite being entertaining, what if he plays like he did against Armani?
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him
That ^ was factual. What I dislike is seeing a top ten, possibly a top five player in the world being left out in favor of a player who has stream popularity but really nothing else.
I am on Trap’s side THIS YEAR because I feel it’s justified. If the tables were reversed I’d be arguing the same way for FanTaSy. The offline achievements this year speak volumes.
The real crime is... Trap should have been a direct seed and not subject to all of this nonsense.
I feel results should be weighted much more than a popularity contest. And Trap has that in spades over FanTaSy this year. I don’t how many different ways you’d like me to say it, as one of our posters so eloquently pointed out.
On a side note: You know, I haven’t usually cared about race stuff but what I’m seeing happening here is making me personally grow more and more anti-Terran...
This is very upsetting to me and I’m not even a Trap fan or an anti-FanTaSy zealot. It just seems really bush league.
Ok... erg I got going on a tangent again: enough ranting, I’m going to bed. Vote for who you think deserves to go but I can’t see how you justify the 3rd best player in the Korea standings being left out in favor of the 21st.
Trap plays boring games, standard to the bone, nothing special. Fantasy plays whacky styles and is fun to watch. I don't care if one player is 2% better, I care if it's fun to watch.
So you think Trap's series against Innovation or Classic were standard or boring? He became better this year, and more entertaining to watch. Fantasy is in a lower tier than Trap despite being entertaining, what if he plays like he did against Armani?
Armani vs Fantasy was one of the most entertaining serie of the year ?! So I'm on board with that
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him
That ^ was factual. What I dislike is seeing a top ten, possibly a top five player in the world being left out in favor of a player who has stream popularity but really nothing else.
I am on Trap’s side THIS YEAR because I feel it’s justified. If the tables were reversed I’d be arguing the same way for FanTaSy. The offline achievements this year speak volumes.
The real crime is... Trap should have been a direct seed and not subject to all of this nonsense.
I feel results should be weighted much more than a popularity contest. And Trap has that in spades over FanTaSy this year. I don’t how many different ways you’d like me to say it, as one of our posters so eloquently pointed out.
On a side note: You know, I haven’t usually cared about race stuff but what I’m seeing happening here is making me personally grow more and more anti-Terran...
This is very upsetting to me and I’m not even a Trap fan or an anti-FanTaSy zealot. It just seems really bush league.
Ok... erg I got going on a tangent again: enough ranting, I’m going to bed. Vote for who you think deserves to go but I can’t see how you justify the 3rd best player in the Korea standings being left out in favor of the 21st.
Trap plays boring games, standard to the bone, nothing special. Fantasy plays whacky styles and is fun to watch. I don't care if one player is 2% better, I care if it's fun to watch.
So you think Trap's series against Innovation or Classic were standard or boring? He became better this year, and more entertaining to watch. Fantasy is in a lower tier than Trap despite being entertaining, what if he plays like he did against Armani?
Armani vs Fantasy was one of the most entertaining serie of the year ?! So I'm on board with that
It was fun to watch, but Fantasy himself was embarassed.
Some people here are taking a video game fan vote altogether too seriously.
This isn't like last year, where the Kelazhur vote actually had sketchy stuff going on. This is literally just people getting pissed that the player they want to win is not as popular as another player they don't want to win.
On July 29 2019 17:15 Harris1st wrote: Looks like we are graced with 4 Korean Terrans in GSL v World. Interesting
At least TvT is more interesting to watch than PvP IMO
Imo all Terran matchups are more interesting than PvP and atm PvZ too.
And I agree that anything can still happen, Fantasy is not safe yet, and the same goes for almost all players except soO I guess.
I find PvZ actually quite entertaining. Specially the way Reynor for example plays it. Always some counterattack/ flanking lings and the 3 ravager hit squad for the WP, so any Allin is getting choked immediately.
Sure, the super late game BL/ Infestor/ static defense vs Tempest / Templar is a bit stale, but everything up to that point is fine by me
On July 29 2019 19:50 pvsnp wrote: Some people here are taking a video game fan vote altogether too seriously.
This isn't like last year, where the Kelazhur vote actually had sketchy stuff going on. This is literally just people getting pissed that the player they want to win is not as popular as another player they don't want to win.
People are upset because Blizzard changed the rules without notification which screwed Trap who thought he'd get a seed. Disappoining that the community isn't unified enough to compensate him for this unfairness.
On July 29 2019 07:00 StarcraftSquall wrote: There are four foreigners that can compete with the Koreans without any debate:
Serral, Reynor, Neeb and SpeCial. They have proven this. The foreign scene is much stronger than it used to be and also has the strongest player in the world in Serral.
Another reason to vote Trap’s competence: last year’s IEM he may have been the closest player to take out Serral in a Bo5 for the entire season. He really is showing he’s that good. Stats is going to win the Korean Protoss vote it looks like but I would argue Trap is doing even better than him.
The foreign scene isn't stronger than it used to be, it's still the same, we just have fewer Koreans. Blizzcon results didn't show any change in this regard, IEM neither. The only exception is Serral and your claim he's the best player in the world is questionable considering his IEM and WESG results.
Still the 1:3 ratio of successful foreigners more or less(or worse) around RO8 of Blizzcon, worse for IEM(because foreigners don't have granted spots). Occassionally some foreigner shows great run and then falls back(e.g. Scarlett, Neeb). The only exception to this is Serral and we had this before in Thorzain, Naniwa or Stephano.
I don't care if you ignore me, as long as you drop this kind of bombs I'll keep on answering.
There has never been anyone like Serral before, Stephano kind of had the same aura and greatness but was not successful enough to compare to him while Naniwa and Thorzain are not even remotely close.
Maybe the foreign scene isn't stronger now than it was in 2016 and 2018 in LoTV or 2011/2012 in WoL, if we exclude Serral , but it is way stronger than it was during HoTS and no amount of retired koreans can invalidate that.
Seems a waste putting quite so much to voting of an increasingly rare tournament where Serral and the top foreigners can see how they stack up against Korea’s best.
A few fan voted wildcards sure but as many as there are?
It’ll feel wonky to me if the most recent GSL finalist doesn’t make it, tournament will still be a good watch of course.
Between INnoVation, Stats, Trap and FanTaSy one of those names clearly doesn’t belong with the other three yet it’s garnered twice as more votes in the last 48 hours.
(I’ve also seen his Twitter claiming this is the “last year” he can play in this tournament acting like he’s might have military service coming when it’s actually over...?) I have no idea what’s going on there.
I wonder how many people aren’t giving Trap a chance just because he’s Protoss? I’m sure there’s a decent number out there. This whole week really hasn’t been fair to him. Imagine if it was you in his situation. Would you be okay losing your space that you’ve worked hard to earn all year to someone who’s not five, or ten, but more like twenty spots behind you just because he has a bigger fan base and absolutely nothing else to show for it?
On July 30 2019 00:23 StarcraftSquall wrote: Between INnoVation, Stats, Trap and FanTaSy one of those names clearly doesn’t belong with the other three yet it’s garnered twice as more votes in the last 48 hours.
(I’ve also seen his Twitter claiming this is the “last year” he can play in this tournament acting like he’s might have military service coming when it’s actually over...?) I have no idea what’s going on there.
I wonder how many people aren’t giving Trap a chance just because he’s Protoss? I’m sure there’s a decent number out there. This whole week really hasn’t been fair to him. Imagine if it was you in his situation. Would you be okay losing your space that you’ve worked hard to earn all year to someone who’s not five, or ten, but more like twenty spots behind you just because he has a bigger fan base and absolutely nothing else to show for it?
You seem really upset by this situation. Give it a rest lol
If Fantasy makes it so be it. It's not some tragedy that upsets the whole scene.
On July 30 2019 00:23 StarcraftSquall wrote: Between INnoVation, Stats, Trap and FanTaSy one of those names clearly doesn’t belong with the other three yet it’s garnered twice as more votes in the last 48 hours.
(I’ve also seen his Twitter claiming this is the “last year” he can play in this tournament acting like he’s might have military service coming when it’s actually over...?) I have no idea what’s going on there.
I wonder how many people aren’t giving Trap a chance just because he’s Protoss? I’m sure there’s a decent number out there. This whole week really hasn’t been fair to him. Imagine if it was you in his situation. Would you be okay losing your space that you’ve worked hard to earn all year to someone who’s not five, or ten, but more like twenty spots behind you just because he has a bigger fan base and absolutely nothing else to show for it?
And where do these votes come from? Certainly not mostly from regular TL users, but from (korean) fans. Trap also was far behind when I voted for Stats a few days ago, he gained many votes from advertising on his stream, just like Fantasy did. Fantasy has more korean fans by far I'd assume, so he got that advantage.
You seem really upset by this situation. Give it a rest lol
If Fantasy makes it so be it. It's not some tragedy that upsets the whole scene.
Honestly I am upset, you’re right: but not because I have a dog in the fight for Trap or against FanTaSy: I’m disturbed because what’s happening simply isn’t right and would not be occurring if the voting process had taken place at any one of the previous tournaments. This whole fiasco can be pinned squarely on Blizzard.
Also, memo to the masses: not all Korean Terrans are created equal.
You seem really upset by this situation. Give it a rest lol
If Fantasy makes it so be it. It's not some tragedy that upsets the whole scene.
Honestly I am upset, you’re right: but not because I have a dog in the fight for Trap or against FanTaSy: I’m disturbed because what’s happening simply isn’t right and would not be occurring if the voting process had taken place at any one of the previous tournaments. This whole fiasco can be pinned squarely on Blizzard.
Also, memo to the masses: not all Korean Terrans are created equal.
A player who is more popular winning a popularity contest is disturbing and not right?
You seem really upset by this situation. Give it a rest lol
If Fantasy makes it so be it. It's not some tragedy that upsets the whole scene.
Honestly I am upset, you’re right: but not because I have a dog in the fight for Trap or against FanTaSy: I’m disturbed because what’s happening simply isn’t right and would not be occurring if the voting process had taken place at any one of the previous tournaments. This whole fiasco can be pinned squarely on Blizzard.
Also, memo to the masses: not all Korean Terrans are created equal.
You seem to forget this is basically a popularity contest:
If Fantasy gets elected, good for him: he chose SC2 over BW, and he has earned far less money than the others, so he could use some love from the scene. If Trap does, good for him: he is having a great year and he's 3th in ranking right now. If Inno does, good: he's one of the GOATs and the best team player ever.
On July 30 2019 00:54 StarcraftSquall wrote: Also, memo to the masses: not all Korean Terrans are created equal.
Yes, they are not, FanTaSy has a special spot in Koreans' hearts that he's carved out over the past decade by now, one that not even TY/BaBy or Stats can lay claim to (who have been playing in BW for a similar amount of time as FanTaSy but with much less success), let alone Inno/Bogus or Trap. Since it's a fan vote, "travesties" will happen in everybody's eyes since the fanbase has diverse opinions, to continue to harp on this is just wasted energy.
If MVP or Polt somehow came into the polls and received a disproportionate amount of support to their skill, hardly anybody would bat an eye. But somehow, this combination of Trap's unfortunate situation and FanTaSy's invisible support has left some people really unhappy.
For the record, I voted TY + Trap, but if FanTaSy wants to play, works hard to get his votes and actually gets them, who am I to complain?
On July 30 2019 00:54 StarcraftSquall wrote: Also, memo to the masses: not all Korean Terrans are created equal.
Yes, they are not, FanTaSy has a special spot in Koreans' hearts that he's carved out over the past decade by now, one that not even TY/BaBy or Stats can lay claim to (who have been playing in BW for a similar amount of time as FanTaSy but with much less success), let alone Inno/Bogus or Trap. Since it's a fan vote, "travesties" will happen in everybody's eyes since the fanbase has diverse opinions, to continue to harp on this is just wasted energy.
If MVP or Polt somehow came into the polls and received a disproportionate amount of support to their skill, hardly anybody would bat an eye. But somehow, this combination of Trap's unfortunate situation and FanTaSy's invisible support has left some people really unhappy.
For the record, I voted TY + Trap, but if FanTaSy wants to play, works hard to get his votes and actually gets them, who am I to complain?
It's Blizzard's fault in fact, Trap had to get seeded like he deserved because of the results he obtained this year.
On July 30 2019 00:54 StarcraftSquall wrote: Also, memo to the masses: not all Korean Terrans are created equal.
Yes, they are not, FanTaSy has a special spot in Koreans' hearts that he's carved out over the past decade by now, one that not even TY/BaBy or Stats can lay claim to (who have been playing in BW for a similar amount of time as FanTaSy but with much less success), let alone Inno/Bogus or Trap. Since it's a fan vote, "travesties" will happen in everybody's eyes since the fanbase has diverse opinions, to continue to harp on this is just wasted energy.
If MVP or Polt somehow came into the polls and received a disproportionate amount of support to their skill, hardly anybody would bat an eye. But somehow, this combination of Trap's unfortunate situation and FanTaSy's invisible support has left some people really unhappy.
For the record, I voted TY + Trap, but if FanTaSy wants to play, works hard to get his votes and actually gets them, who am I to complain?
It’s 2019, we don’t have MLGs, IPLs, regular IEMs etc any more.
GSL vs the World is a tournament that needs to be as strong as possible IMO to plug those gaps and the relative rareness of top foreigners playing Korea’s best in big tournaments.
It has a decent prize pool (last year’s numbers) in a region whose prize pools are too low for how cut throat and competitive it is already.
People can vote how they want, I just don’t think nearly as many places should be being decided that way, a fan favourite wild card or two for each region maybe.
My soul hurts. Please god, forgive me. Trap deserved it but i gave my vote to Parting. He influenced me by having a Stream title saying "Please vote for Parting". How could i possibly ignore that. Right now i wish i could undo my decision and give it to Trap. Please god of the TL.net forum, listen to me. Please.
Fantasy and Inno are now neck and neck, a literal 3 vote difference. TY pulled ahead after joining the foreign house 24h stream and presumably getting their support. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Fantasy and/or Inno overtake Stats, let alone Trap. Both of them have a small but significant lead right now that looks like it will be decisive for 5th place. Vote margins are pretty thin all around, though I imagine most people have already voted.
Frankly I'm surprised that the tallies are this close; it was my understanding that guys like Fantasy and Inno have pretty large/dedicated fanbases (or China), but I've never heard anything like that for Trap.
Never expected this tight of a race to occur this late into the game. I kind of want Fantasy to win, though I don't necessarily think he's the better player.
On July 30 2019 04:30 pvsnp wrote: Fantasy and Inno are now neck and neck, a literal 3 vote difference. TY pulled ahead after joining the foreign house 24h stream and presumably getting their support. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Fantasy and/or Inno overtake Stats, let alone Trap. Both of them have a small but significant lead right now that looks like it will be decisive for 5th place. Vote margins are pretty thin all around, though I imagine most people have already voted.
Frankly I'm surprised that the tallies are this close; it was my understanding that guys like Fantasy and Inno have pretty large/dedicated fanbases (or China), but I've never heard anything like that for Trap.
Its very unlikely that Inno will overtake Stats. Fantasy however...
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based.
You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes.
Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based.
You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes.
Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line.
Especially not at a time where constant whining about Protoss is de facto accepted by the community for too long and the achievements of good, hard working players are downplayed consistently due to their race, especially by a subset of ‘master race’ Terrans.
I like Fantasy’s play stylistically, respect his BW legacy, want him to do well in choosing SC2 and a new challenge vs becoming a BW streamer, I cheer for him most matches he plays but I don’t want him parachuted in to a decent tournament over someone like Trap without earning it with results.
At least going by last year’s prize pool GSL vs the World’s silver pays out more than winning the Super Tournament and top 4 is only a few thousand dollars out, there’s not enough money available to Korean players as it is without the most recent GSL runner up not being able to play in this one.
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based.
You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes.
Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line.
Especially not at a time where constant whining about Protoss is de facto accepted by the community for too long and the achievements of good, hard working players are downplayed consistently due to their race, especially by a subset of ‘master race’ Terrans.
I like Fantasy’s play stylistically, respect his BW legacy, want him to do well in choosing SC2 and a new challenge vs becoming a BW streamer, I cheer for him most matches he plays but I don’t want him parachuted in to a decent tournament over someone like Trap without earning it with results.
At least going by last year’s prize pool GSL vs the World’s silver pays out more than winning the Super Tournament and top 4 is only a few thousand dollars out, there’s not enough money available to Korean players as it is without the most recent GSL runner up not being able to play in this one.
If you have a problem with the format, take it up with Blizzard. Instead of shitting on the people who are just following the voting rules that Blizzard laid out.
It almost seems like this is some kind of political election with all the haranguing. It's a video game popularity vote, just take it easy.
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based.
You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes.
Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line.
Especially not at a time where constant whining about Protoss is de facto accepted by the community for too long and the achievements of good, hard working players are downplayed consistently due to their race, especially by a subset of ‘master race’ Terrans.
I like Fantasy’s play stylistically, respect his BW legacy, want him to do well in choosing SC2 and a new challenge vs becoming a BW streamer, I cheer for him most matches he plays but I don’t want him parachuted in to a decent tournament over someone like Trap without earning it with results.
At least going by last year’s prize pool GSL vs the World’s silver pays out more than winning the Super Tournament and top 4 is only a few thousand dollars out, there’s not enough money available to Korean players as it is without the most recent GSL runner up not being able to play in this one.
If you have a problem with the format, take it up with Blizzard. Instead of shitting on the people who are just following the voting rules that Blizzard laid out.
It almost seems like this is some kind of political election with all the haranguing. It's a video game popularity vote, just take it easy.
Where did I shit on anyone voting? In my previous post I said people can vote how they want, I just don’t think it being so vote heavy is a good idea, I said keeping a spot or two for a fan favourite vote would be OK by me.
If people want to vote how they do, fine. I’m a fan too and in a scene that has fewer tournaments than ever I’d like to see a GSL runner up test Serral’s mettle over Fantasy. Or over Inno or Ty who don’t have the form this year.
And yes I don’t agree with how it was structured to begin with, that’s not on voters, if voters want to squander an increasingly rare opportunity to have the best of Korea against the best foreigners that’s entirely their choice when the tick the ballot.
I look at that lineup as it will likely turn out and I weep for the foreigners. I hope Serral, Special, Neeb and Reynor bring it hard, and the others (HeroMarine, Showtime, Time and Scarlett) do their best. But the top Koreans have so many years under their belts and are all just so solid and storied. Serral making it to round two is no gimme, and then moving on, man. If Serral wins this year it would be crazy (let alone another foreigner). Love the guy, but odds are stacked against him. Edit: let's see how he does in Asus ROG
On July 30 2019 11:54 frazzle wrote: I look at that lineup as it will likely turn out and I weep for the foreigners. I hope Serral, Special, Neeb and Reynor bring it hard, and the others (HeroMarine, Showtime, Time and Scarlett) do their best. But the top Koreans have so many years under their belts and are all just so solid and storied. Serral making it to round two is no gimme, and then moving on, man. If Serral wins this year it would be crazy (let alone another foreigner). Love the guy, but odds are stacked against him. Edit: let's see how he does in Asus ROG
Honestly, of every player potentially in this tournament, Serral is probably the one I’m the least worried about. :-) Think about it: we are criticizing him because he got a runner up in WCS Summer and was knocked out by the champ in Katowice. There’s probably only 9-10 players in the world (including South Korea) that can take him on and win in a Bo5+.
On July 30 2019 15:55 fubuki11st wrote: I perfer INno……even his performance is so bad this year……
That depends... he hasn’t done much in GSL but he did get a HSC Runner Up and a WESG title. Popularity aside, what’s FanTaSy accomplished during the same time frame?
On July 30 2019 15:55 fubuki11st wrote: I perfer INno……even his performance is so bad this year……
That depends... he hasn’t done much in GSL but he did get a HSC Runner Up and a WESG title. Popularity aside, what’s FanTaSy accomplished during the same time frame?
As I expected lol, you really hate Fantasy. So many people have said this voting system is fan-based not skill/achievement-based. In light of that I am actually impressed you are still hating on Fantasy
Let it go, relax a bit my friend. You are way too upset over this. Let the people vote. Whoever wins, wins. As of right now, Trap has a ton of votes too, so relax.
On July 30 2019 11:54 frazzle wrote: I look at that lineup as it will likely turn out and I weep for the foreigners. I hope Serral, Special, Neeb and Reynor bring it hard, and the others (HeroMarine, Showtime, Time and Scarlett) do their best. But the top Koreans have so many years under their belts and are all just so solid and storied. Serral making it to round two is no gimme, and then moving on, man. If Serral wins this year it would be crazy (let alone another foreigner). Love the guy, but odds are stacked against him. Edit: let's see how he does in Asus ROG
Honestly, of every player potentially in this tournament, Serral is probably the one I’m the least worried about. :-) Think about it: we are criticizing him because he got a runner up in WCS Summer and was knocked out by the champ in Katowice. There’s probably only 9-10 players in the world (including South Korea) that can take him on and win in a Bo5+.
Inno and soO aren't lately in the top shape, Fantasy, uhm, hehe It's not like the best of the best are on the line, there are few weak Koreans either (and the obvious - Trap is in question)
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based.
You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes.
Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line.
I think it's a gread idea for a competitive tournament. Gets those juicy viewer numbers up. Fans can see who they want to see. More popularity for our beloved game. I mean, Fantasy probably won't win this tournament. But IMO neither would Trap. So from a competitive side it doesn't make much difference for me
Honestly I don't get why people want to see Fantasy. Dude accomplished nothing in SC2. He is a Broodwar legend, not a top notch SC2 player. I would be gutted for Trap/Stats/Innovation if he comes ahead...
Stats getting kicked out would be pretty sad as well...
About INno, it's hard to gauge his current form, but MMR wise on ladder he is still better than Fantasy, and albeit he has disappointing GSL results he's still ahead of fantasy (heck, even special is ahead of fantasy).
My ideal would be Trap, Stats, soO, TY, INno
edit: Trap will probably destroy fantasy live on olimoleague (CrankTV korean cast, Maynarde english cast; or Trap for Trap's pov or FanTaSy for fantasy's pov)
On July 30 2019 20:26 Poopi wrote: This is becoming exciting in itself, lmao.
Stats getting kicked out would be pretty sad as well...
About INno, it's hard to gauge his current form, but MMR wise on ladder he is still better than Fantasy, and albeit he has disappointing GSL results he's still ahead of fantasy (heck, even special is ahead of fantasy).
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based.
You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes.
Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line.
I think it's a gread idea for a competitive tournament. Gets those juicy viewer numbers up. Fans can see who they want to see. More popularity for our beloved game. I mean, Fantasy probably won't win this tournament. But IMO neither would Trap. So from a competitive side it doesn't make much difference for me
And what happens once Fanta is out? If the seeding will work he ends in the RO16 right away? Isn't better to go for lower numbers but stabile?
And we're oin the god damn internet, Kelazhur incident showed us what a fanfavorite he was. And how many of his "fans" were watching?
On July 30 2019 20:26 Poopi wrote: This is becoming exciting in itself, lmao.
Stats getting kicked out would be pretty sad as well...
About INno, it's hard to gauge his current form, but MMR wise on ladder he is still better than Fantasy, and albeit he has disappointing GSL results he's still ahead of fantasy (heck, even special is ahead of fantasy).
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based.
You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes.
Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line.
I think it's a gread idea for a competitive tournament. Gets those juicy viewer numbers up. Fans can see who they want to see. More popularity for our beloved game. I mean, Fantasy probably won't win this tournament. But IMO neither would Trap. So from a competitive side it doesn't make much difference for me
And what happens once Fanta is out? If the seeding will work he ends in the RO16 right away? Isn't better to go for lower numbers but stabile?
And we're oin the god damn internet, Kelazhur incident showed us what a fanfavorite he was. And how many of his "fans" were watching?
Who says viewers will leave once Fanta is out? Maybe they become fans of another player they like and would have otherwise never seen?
Your pessimism is starting to get annoying...
EDIT: Maybe Trap would lose in the Ro16? Maybe Fanta advances to the semi-final?
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based.
You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes.
Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line.
I think it's a gread idea for a competitive tournament. Gets those juicy viewer numbers up. Fans can see who they want to see. More popularity for our beloved game. I mean, Fantasy probably won't win this tournament. But IMO neither would Trap. So from a competitive side it doesn't make much difference for me
And what happens once Fanta is out? If the seeding will work he ends in the RO16 right away? Isn't better to go for lower numbers but stabile?
And we're oin the god damn internet, Kelazhur incident showed us what a fanfavorite he was. And how many of his "fans" were watching?
Who says viewers will leave once Fanta is out? Maybe they become fans of another player they like and would have otherwise never seen?
Your pessimism is starting to get annoying...
EDIT: Maybe Trap would lose in the Ro16? Maybe Fanta advances to the semi-final?
That was an intense last game, imo Fantasy had it easy if he did repair his mech units... especially the thors. Great if you have many, but them all being red? Not nice. His effective army supply was maybe 70% of real army supply with all these hurt units.
On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote: This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based.
You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes.
Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line.
I think it's a gread idea for a competitive tournament. Gets those juicy viewer numbers up. Fans can see who they want to see. More popularity for our beloved game. I mean, Fantasy probably won't win this tournament. But IMO neither would Trap. So from a competitive side it doesn't make much difference for me
And what happens once Fanta is out? If the seeding will work he ends in the RO16 right away? Isn't better to go for lower numbers but stabile?
And we're oin the god damn internet, Kelazhur incident showed us what a fanfavorite he was. And how many of his "fans" were watching?
Who says viewers will leave once Fanta is out? Maybe they become fans of another player they like and would have otherwise never seen?
Your pessimism is starting to get annoying...
EDIT: Maybe Trap would lose in the Ro16? Maybe Fanta advances to the semi-final?
That was an intense last game, imo Fantasy had it easy if he did repair his mech units... especially the thors. Great if you have many, but them all being red? Not nice. His effective army supply was maybe 70% of real army supply with all these hurt units.
Really good game from both IMO Fanta should have just pulled a Reynor and go All-in I guess. He had way more army supply but only 14 workers or something to Trap's 60+ workers. Instead he tried to pick apart Trap and got out multitasked
This is the closest race I've seen. 34 votes currently separate Trap, Fantasy, and Innovation. Then Stats is only 75 votes ahead of Trap, and even TY is only 100 votes ahead of Stats. It's a game of musical chairs, its easily possible for any of them to be left out with 2 days left.
How did Trap got his bump? A couple of days ago he was like 100 votes behind Fantasy, who was third among the Terrans, but now Trap seems to be in.
TY got a huge bump during the 24 hour stream from the house of the foreigners in KR as he was there, participated there, and there were like 3K viewers so he and the others there could influence a lot of people. But how did Trap got his bump?
On July 31 2019 02:52 bulya wrote: How did Trap got his bump? A couple of days ago he was like 100 votes behind Fantasy, who was third among the Terrans, but now Trap seems to be in.
TY got a huge bump during the 24 hour stream from the house of the foreigners in KR as he was there, participated there, and there were like 3K viewers so he and the others there could influence a lot of people. But how did Trap got his bump?
It's in the thread, last page...
On July 30 2019 20:21 Musicus wrote: Trap getting support.
On July 31 2019 02:52 bulya wrote: How did Trap got his bump? A couple of days ago he was like 100 votes behind Fantasy, who was third among the Terrans, but now Trap seems to be in.
TY got a huge bump during the 24 hour stream from the house of the foreigners in KR as he was there, participated there, and there were like 3K viewers so he and the others there could influence a lot of people. But how did Trap got his bump?
I'm just wondering the same - I watch voting from couple of days - and can confirm there were kind of "waves" when Trap got around 200 votes within 2 hours - and then it stopped. There were few waves like that - not sure what it was driven by.
why does trap deserve to be auto in? the rules were changed werent they? play by the rules. i just cant vote for anyone who says they cant sleep over this. he seems perfectly fine on his stream.
but if he truly cannot sleep over this i feel bad for him but he still wont get my vote.
i voted for fantasy because he shows great games and is a stand up guy.
On July 31 2019 02:52 bulya wrote: How did Trap got his bump? A couple of days ago he was like 100 votes behind Fantasy, who was third among the Terrans, but now Trap seems to be in.
TY got a huge bump during the 24 hour stream from the house of the foreigners in KR as he was there, participated there, and there were like 3K viewers so he and the others there could influence a lot of people. But how did Trap got his bump?
I'm just wondering the same - I watch voting from couple of days - and can confirm there were kind of "waves" when Trap got around 200 votes within 2 hours - and then it stopped. There were few waves like that - not sure what it was driven by.
Seriously? If you're going to make implications of vote fraud, bring some evidence, not vague anecdotal statements. Trap has been streaming regularly the past few days, and has had a number of posts/tweets in support. His votes have been going up regularly, not 'start' and 'stop'.
On July 31 2019 03:35 B0ssTerran wrote: why does trap deserve to be auto in? the rules were changed werent they? play by the rules. i just cant vote for anyone who says they cant sleep over this. he seems perfectly fine on his stream.
but if he truly cannot sleep over this i feel bad for him but he still wont get my vote.
i voted for fantasy because he shows great games and is a stand up guy.
You could in theory vote for each, right? You get one vote for each race.
The issue is they, apparently, changed the rules without telling anyone. So Trap learned he wasn't seeded the day these polls went up from what I've read. That 100% sucks for sure.
On July 31 2019 02:52 bulya wrote: How did Trap got his bump? A couple of days ago he was like 100 votes behind Fantasy, who was third among the Terrans, but now Trap seems to be in.
TY got a huge bump during the 24 hour stream from the house of the foreigners in KR as he was there, participated there, and there were like 3K viewers so he and the others there could influence a lot of people. But how did Trap got his bump?
I'm just wondering the same - I watch voting from couple of days - and can confirm there were kind of "waves" when Trap got around 200 votes within 2 hours - and then it stopped. There were few waves like that - not sure what it was driven by.
I would like it if Fantasy got in, but for example just earlier Trap won Olimoleague in front of 5k viewers or so, I am sure that got him quite some well deserved votes.
On July 31 2019 03:35 B0ssTerran wrote: why does trap deserve to be auto in? the rules were changed werent they? play by the rules. i just cant vote for anyone who says they cant sleep over this. he seems perfectly fine on his stream.
but if he truly cannot sleep over this i feel bad for him but he still wont get my vote.
i voted for fantasy because he shows great games and is a stand up guy.
You could in theory vote for each, right? You get one vote for each race.
The issue is they, apparently, changed the rules without telling anyone. So Trap learned he wasn't seeded the day these polls went up from what I've read. That 100% sucks for sure.
so if they told trap the rule changed, everyone would be ok? maybe im coming off rude but i truly dont understand why this is a issue.
and im not voting for trap only because of the outcry of blizzard not telling him. he started the first few days with barely any votes. the only reason it exploded is because trap wasnt told the rules.
On July 31 2019 02:52 bulya wrote: How did Trap got his bump? A couple of days ago he was like 100 votes behind Fantasy, who was third among the Terrans, but now Trap seems to be in.
TY got a huge bump during the 24 hour stream from the house of the foreigners in KR as he was there, participated there, and there were like 3K viewers so he and the others there could influence a lot of people. But how did Trap got his bump?
I'm just wondering the same - I watch voting from couple of days - and can confirm there were kind of "waves" when Trap got around 200 votes within 2 hours - and then it stopped. There were few waves like that - not sure what it was driven by.
Seriously? If you're going to make implications of vote fraud, bring some evidence, not vague anecdotal statements. Trap has been streaming regularly the past few days, and has had a number of posts/tweets in support. His votes have been going up regularly, not 'start' and 'stop'.
I'm not doing any implications - that's just simple reflection - so don't feel offended, please. However I can't agree that Trap's votes have been going up regularly - apart from regular grow, there were some "Start-Stop" actions. Stats votes grow regularly. Stats i.e. was 200 votes in front of him - next within an hour the diff is only 70 votes - I've notice such quick change at least three times. Next the diff grew again to 150 votes for Stats. Again - it is not any implication for any scam - just simple reflection and question what was happening.
This is the closest starcraft vote I can remember. I wonder if the players wil resort to shady tactics. Or maybe they have already. Apparently Fantasy was giving incentives and Trap is now getting League of Legends votes.
Sketchy stuff, but I guess that's democracy for you.
On July 31 2019 03:35 B0ssTerran wrote: why does trap deserve to be auto in? the rules were changed werent they? play by the rules. i just cant vote for anyone who says they cant sleep over this. he seems perfectly fine on his stream.
but if he truly cannot sleep over this i feel bad for him but he still wont get my vote.
i voted for fantasy because he shows great games and is a stand up guy.
You could in theory vote for each, right? You get one vote for each race.
The issue is they, apparently, changed the rules without telling anyone. So Trap learned he wasn't seeded the day these polls went up from what I've read. That 100% sucks for sure.
so if they told trap the rule changed, everyone would be ok? maybe im coming off rude but i truly dont understand why this is a issue.
and im not voting for trap only because of the outcry of blizzard not telling him. he started the first few days with barely any votes. the only reason it exploded is because trap wasnt told the rules.
I think more people would be O.K. with it, yeah. Under the old rules, Trap was an automatic seed. To yank the proverbial rug out from under him without telling him is a kinda low blow.
On July 31 2019 02:52 bulya wrote: How did Trap got his bump? A couple of days ago he was like 100 votes behind Fantasy, who was third among the Terrans, but now Trap seems to be in.
TY got a huge bump during the 24 hour stream from the house of the foreigners in KR as he was there, participated there, and there were like 3K viewers so he and the others there could influence a lot of people. But how did Trap got his bump?
I'm just wondering the same - I watch voting from couple of days - and can confirm there were kind of "waves" when Trap got around 200 votes within 2 hours - and then it stopped. There were few waves like that - not sure what it was driven by.
Seriously? If you're going to make implications of vote fraud, bring some evidence, not vague anecdotal statements. Trap has been streaming regularly the past few days, and has had a number of posts/tweets in support. His votes have been going up regularly, not 'start' and 'stop'.
I'm not doing any implications - that's just simple reflection - so don't feel offended, please. However I can't agree that Trap's votes have been going up regularly - apart from regular grow, there were some "Start-Stop" actions. Stats votes grow regularly. Stats i.e. was 200 votes in front of him - next within an hour the diff is only 70 votes - I've notice such quick change at least three times. Next the diff grew again to 150 votes for Stats. Again - it is not any implication for any scam - just simple reflection and question what was happening.
Well, I can think of 4 possibly reasonable "waves" for Trap 1) People mention in the thread that Trap is actually top contender right now and should be voted for. Next voters read this and more of 'em vote for Trap than before. 2) Trap's tweet about his luckless situation get's spreaded, people campaign for him now 3) That LoL-guy, who went on the same school as Trap, recommends to his followers to vote for Trap 4) Trap being in range motivates people to push even further.
On July 31 2019 02:52 bulya wrote: How did Trap got his bump? A couple of days ago he was like 100 votes behind Fantasy, who was third among the Terrans, but now Trap seems to be in.
TY got a huge bump during the 24 hour stream from the house of the foreigners in KR as he was there, participated there, and there were like 3K viewers so he and the others there could influence a lot of people. But how did Trap got his bump?
I'm just wondering the same - I watch voting from couple of days - and can confirm there were kind of "waves" when Trap got around 200 votes within 2 hours - and then it stopped. There were few waves like that - not sure what it was driven by.
Seriously? If you're going to make implications of vote fraud, bring some evidence, not vague anecdotal statements. Trap has been streaming regularly the past few days, and has had a number of posts/tweets in support. His votes have been going up regularly, not 'start' and 'stop'.
I'm not doing any implications - that's just simple reflection - so don't feel offended, please. However I can't agree that Trap's votes have been going up regularly - apart from regular grow, there were some "Start-Stop" actions. Stats votes grow regularly. Stats i.e. was 200 votes in front of him - next within an hour the diff is only 70 votes - I've notice such quick change at least three times. Next the diff grew again to 150 votes for Stats. Again - it is not any implication for any scam - just simple reflection and question what was happening.
Well, I can think of 4 possibly reasonable "waves" for Trap 1) People mention in the thread that Trap is actually top contender right now and should be voted for. Next voters read this and more of 'em vote for Trap than before. 2) Trap's tweet about his luckless situation get's spreaded, people campaign for him now 3) That LoL-guy, who went on the same school as Trap, recommends to his followers to vote for Trap 4) Trap being in range motivates people to push even further.
Yeah, I think this is what the original commenter meant to point out, that Trap's support is really coming from specific actions (tweets, shares etc.), while Stats' support comes less from campaigning and just average voters (which would be a more consistent stream). Didn't sound accusatory to me, and makes sense. Also really shows how powerful campaigning can be
People says getting LOL viewers or other voter source outside of SC2 fan base is a bad thing. I think is the opposite, it is a good way to promote our game. If we wanted the best of the best, lets face it, we will have a qualifiers or a open format in some way. But the voting system promotes the game in a engaging way. I can perfect image that some of those LOL fans that vote trap are going to see somehow the tournament if Trap wins and maybe getting hook.
On July 31 2019 02:52 bulya wrote: How did Trap got his bump? A couple of days ago he was like 100 votes behind Fantasy, who was third among the Terrans, but now Trap seems to be in.
TY got a huge bump during the 24 hour stream from the house of the foreigners in KR as he was there, participated there, and there were like 3K viewers so he and the others there could influence a lot of people. But how did Trap got his bump?
I'm just wondering the same - I watch voting from couple of days - and can confirm there were kind of "waves" when Trap got around 200 votes within 2 hours - and then it stopped. There were few waves like that - not sure what it was driven by.
Seriously? If you're going to make implications of vote fraud, bring some evidence, not vague anecdotal statements. Trap has been streaming regularly the past few days, and has had a number of posts/tweets in support. His votes have been going up regularly, not 'start' and 'stop'.
I'm not doing any implications - that's just simple reflection - so don't feel offended, please. However I can't agree that Trap's votes have been going up regularly - apart from regular grow, there were some "Start-Stop" actions. Stats votes grow regularly. Stats i.e. was 200 votes in front of him - next within an hour the diff is only 70 votes - I've notice such quick change at least three times. Next the diff grew again to 150 votes for Stats. Again - it is not any implication for any scam - just simple reflection and question what was happening.
Well, I can think of 4 possibly reasonable "waves" for Trap 1) People mention in the thread that Trap is actually top contender right now and should be voted for. Next voters read this and more of 'em vote for Trap than before. 2) Trap's tweet about his luckless situation get's spreaded, people campaign for him now 3) That LoL-guy, who went on the same school as Trap, recommends to his followers to vote for Trap 4) Trap being in range motivates people to push even further.
Yeah, I think this is what the original commenter meant to point out, that Trap's support is really coming from specific actions (tweets, shares etc.), while Stats' support comes less from campaigning and just average voters (which would be a more consistent stream). Didn't sound accusatory to me, and makes sense. Also really shows how powerful campaigning can be
Maybe the picture I saw was out of context .... but I saw a vote stats picture where he is wearing a black and gold (inc?) Vote Stats hat.
Not disputing your overal point but I think Trap isnt alone in campaigning.
Different topic - I voted for Stats based upon my subjective belief he is number 1 or 2 protoss. If I had known about or considered Traps situation - I would have voted differently.
I don't enjoy his play (subjective who cares) but he was a recent finalist of the most elite tournament in the world.
Organizers- Fuck the vote. Fix your mistake. It was a mistake.
On July 31 2019 04:20 pvsnp wrote: Today, tomorrow, and part of the next day.
This is the closest starcraft vote I can remember. I wonder if the players wil resort to shady tactics. Or maybe they have already. Apparently Fantasy was giving incentives and Trap is now getting League of Legends votes.
Sketchy stuff, but I guess that's democracy for you.
Yeah Fanta basically said "If I get voted in I'll do some events". Shady as fuck tbh.
Honestly there are a couple of things that have bothered me about this stuff. I mean it irks me a little that many of the players only stream when GSL Vs The World is on which disadvantages players like Stats and PartinG who consistently stream with or without.
But my main problem is the fact that Trap has constructed this narrative that afreeca has changed the rules in order to disadvantage him specifically, painting himself as a person of sympathy in order to gain votes. Afreeca has the prerogative to change the rules and that's there choice. So long as it isn't changed mid tournament or half way through the voting process then there's nothing wrong. Yes it's tough luck and he has my sympathy but it's not some grand conspiracy to stop him from going to GSL Vs The World. I mean as it stands he's in anyway.
As for Fantasy I have to say I'm not impressed at all if the suggestions on this thread are true.
On July 31 2019 08:26 Z3nith wrote: Honestly there are a couple of things that have bothered me about this stuff. I mean it irks me a little that many of the players only stream when GSL Vs The World is on which disadvantages players like Stats and PartinG who consistently stream with or without.
But my main problem is the fact that Trap has constructed this narrative that afreeca has changed the rules in order to disadvantage him specifically, painting himself as a person of sympathy in order to gain votes. Afreeca has the prerogative to change the rules and that's there choice. So long as it isn't changed mid tournament or half way through the voting process then there's nothing wrong. Yes it's tough luck and he has my sympathy but it's not some grand conspiracy to stop him from going to GSL Vs The World. I mean as it stands he's in anyway.
As for Fantasy I have to say I'm not impressed at all if the suggestions on this thread are true.
Afreeca? Trap had bad luck in the past and this time Blizzard could have changed the rules, but doing so without notifying the players involved is not fair. He would have had my sympathy even if I didn't like him.
On July 31 2019 08:26 Z3nith wrote: Honestly there are a couple of things that have bothered me about this stuff. I mean it irks me a little that many of the players only stream when GSL Vs The World is on which disadvantages players like Stats and PartinG who consistently stream with or without.
But my main problem is the fact that Trap has constructed this narrative that afreeca has changed the rules in order to disadvantage him specifically, painting himself as a person of sympathy in order to gain votes. Afreeca has the prerogative to change the rules and that's there choice. So long as it isn't changed mid tournament or half way through the voting process then there's nothing wrong. Yes it's tough luck and he has my sympathy but it's not some grand conspiracy to stop him from going to GSL Vs The World. I mean as it stands he's in anyway.
As for Fantasy I have to say I'm not impressed at all if the suggestions on this thread are true.
I mean the whole thing is a bit of a mess.
Put things to votes and this kind of stuff happens. Either it inherently gives a huge leg up to already popular players, players who don’t have that fan base resort to dubious measures to compensate, or fans themselves go out and vote multiple times on multiple accounts and what have you.
My main issue is given the current tournament structure, playerbase and calendar, GSL vs the World is kind of a rare chance to see Serral (and other top foreigners) against the very best of Korea, in Korea.
Surely that should be the central selling point of this tournament, so (potentially) diluting the quality of the field, meh I don’t fundamentally agree with it.
I think doing most slots by WCS rank, having a qualifier to select who is currently in the best form, and maybe a wild card pick or two by voting would best suit the tournament.
On July 31 2019 08:26 Z3nith wrote: Honestly there are a couple of things that have bothered me about this stuff. I mean it irks me a little that many of the players only stream when GSL Vs The World is on which disadvantages players like Stats and PartinG who consistently stream with or without.
But my main problem is the fact that Trap has constructed this narrative that afreeca has changed the rules in order to disadvantage him specifically, painting himself as a person of sympathy in order to gain votes. Afreeca has the prerogative to change the rules and that's there choice. So long as it isn't changed mid tournament or half way through the voting process then there's nothing wrong. Yes it's tough luck and he has my sympathy but it's not some grand conspiracy to stop him from going to GSL Vs The World. I mean as it stands he's in anyway.
As for Fantasy I have to say I'm not impressed at all if the suggestions on this thread are true.
Afreeca? Trap had bad luck in the past and this time Blizzard could have changed the rules, but doing so without notifying the players involved is not fair. He would have had my sympathy even if I didn't like him.
ok so if blizzard told trap everything is fine? really? this seems like fake outrage.
On July 25 2019 04:33 JJH777 wrote: Damn I feel bad for Trap. In terms of pure results he is definitely the second best Protoss behind Classic this year but he is just getting demolished by Stats and even Parting and herO for some reason :/
Parting is just so much fun to watch though!!! I love parting for some reason!
On July 31 2019 08:26 Z3nith wrote: Honestly there are a couple of things that have bothered me about this stuff. I mean it irks me a little that many of the players only stream when GSL Vs The World is on which disadvantages players like Stats and PartinG who consistently stream with or without.
But my main problem is the fact that Trap has constructed this narrative that afreeca has changed the rules in order to disadvantage him specifically, painting himself as a person of sympathy in order to gain votes. Afreeca has the prerogative to change the rules and that's there choice. So long as it isn't changed mid tournament or half way through the voting process then there's nothing wrong. Yes it's tough luck and he has my sympathy but it's not some grand conspiracy to stop him from going to GSL Vs The World. I mean as it stands he's in anyway.
As for Fantasy I have to say I'm not impressed at all if the suggestions on this thread are true.
Afreeca? Trap had bad luck in the past and this time Blizzard could have changed the rules, but doing so without notifying the players involved is not fair. He would have had my sympathy even if I didn't like him.
ok so if blizzard told trap everything is fine? really? this seems like fake outrage.
Trap himself said he still would be kind of upset but it would've been ok if he was notified about the rule change earlier. Also one has to consider: he really obejctively is the player being 4th in WCS points and having the most recent success (Top4 in GSL S1 and 2nd in GSL S2, still being in the race of GSL S3). Then being outmatched in a vote by Fantasy who is cool and all but not nearly as good and by Innovation who isn't exactly crisp these days - this must be kind of frustrating.
tbh event like this is basically like a report card on how often pro gamer engage with fans throughout the year. I will be giving my vote to TY and Stats as they make an effort to attend HSC and they also stream throughout the year
Honestly, the results should just have been hidden lol. It would have solved so many problems (maybe next year?). People basically stopped voting for TY and Stats a couple of days ago because they were "safe" and focused on voting for the others because that mattered more at the time. It's getting close enough that Stats and TY might get caught by some of other players.
At the same time this vote feels like it's really building awareness/hype for this event even in people that might not normally be totally into the scene. Plus all the streaming by the korean players is nice.
On July 31 2019 13:47 TentativePanda wrote: Whats funny about all this is Cure got 2% of the vote despite being waaay better than Fantasy and even in better form than Innovation right now
Let's act like the votes are representative of the sc2 fanbase
If this event wants the best playersto play, then just using wcs points for qualification. Since it is a fan voting system, then the criteria will be popularity in sc community, cure is far less popular which is the fact. Stop whining about the play level.
On July 31 2019 13:47 TentativePanda wrote: Whats funny about all this is Cure got 2% of the vote despite being waaay better than Fantasy and even in better form than Innovation right now
INno has lost in previous GSL, but I still believe that he is the best Terran player in the world. When I see his win that BO7 in WESG, I believe there is still something beyond the game, An old player's breakthrough in his player life. Everyone has a trough, I still believe he can do it.
Of the two Terrans competing for the final vote here, which one has eliminated both Maru and Serral in a premier tournament this calendar year on their resume...? 🤔
On July 31 2019 06:01 Argonauta wrote: People says getting LOL viewers or other voter source outside of SC2 fan base is a bad thing. I think is the opposite, it is a good way to promote our game.
It IS a bad thing. I pretty much doubt those LOL viewers will follow SC2, they just come and vote because their "idol" asked for it.
On July 31 2019 04:20 pvsnp wrote: Today, tomorrow, and part of the next day.
This is the closest starcraft vote I can remember. I wonder if the players wil resort to shady tactics. Or maybe they have already. Apparently Fantasy was giving incentives and Trap is now getting League of Legends votes.
Sketchy stuff, but I guess that's democracy for you.
Yeah Fanta basically said "If I get voted in I'll do some events". Shady as fuck tbh.
Winning a popular vote by being popular. Very shady.
A way to deal with the problems people see with this vote would be: Only TL accounts are allowed to vote who have linked their account to their battle.net account with a purchased version of Starcraft II. Maybe you can then add some more restrictions, like having had at least played a certain amount of games in non-arcade or 1v1 or whatever in the last few months. That way we would get very few duplicate votes and instead only *real Starcraft fans" would get to vote.
On July 31 2019 16:26 StarcraftSquall wrote: Of the two Terrans competing for the final vote here, which one has eliminated both Maru and Serral in a premier tournament this calendar year on their resume...? 🤔
It's the one who got into GSL vs The World last year because of his overwhelming popularity even though he had worse results than his competition.
But seriously fanta is 6.7k on his main, but just doing meme builds on stream on his 6.4 account. Just watch his games vs Trap from yesterday and you can see he is at that top level.
On July 31 2019 17:31 Poopi wrote: Remember as well that INno is currently running for the unofficial GOAT title against Maru on teamliquid, it would be a shame not to have the potential StarCraft 2 greatest of all time not playing in this event https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/549506-team-liquid-goat-contest-final-8
On July 31 2019 17:31 Poopi wrote: Remember as well that INno is currently running for the unofficial GOAT title against Maru on teamliquid, it would be a shame not to have the potential StarCraft 2 greatest of all time not playing in this event https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/549506-team-liquid-goat-contest-final-8
Double negatives are great.
Thanks for the correction, commute typing is harder than it looks .
STATS cannot "fight" for votes right now by streaming or making any other "marketing actions" as he is participating Assembly Cup in Finland - but let's do our best to make him through and give him a seed!!!
On July 31 2019 17:56 DarkAngel2 wrote: STATS cannot "fight" for votes right now by streaming or making any other "marketing actions" as he is participating Assembly Cup in Finland - but let's do our best to make him through and give him a seed!!!
Stats should post a selfie with Serral on Twitter and say "If you want another rematch, vote for me" or something.
On July 31 2019 16:51 Yakawakanawa wrote: A way to deal with the problems people see with this vote would be: Only TL accounts are allowed to vote who have linked their account to their battle.net account with a purchased version of Starcraft II. Maybe you can then add some more restrictions, like having had at least played a certain amount of games in non-arcade or 1v1 or whatever in the last few months. That way we would get very few duplicate votes and instead only *real Starcraft fans" would get to vote.
I haven t played a single game in like a year now, but watched pretty much every Premier Tournament in the last 2. Am I not a real fan then?
But seriously fanta is 6.7k on his main, but just doing meme builds on stream on his 6.4 account. Just watch his games vs Trap from yesterday and you can see he is at that top level.
What a cheap shot by Fantasy! Using cute cats to his advantage!
I wanted to vote for TY but I can't resist those cutsie schmudsie eyes
TYTYTYTYTY!!!! I like Inno but definitely love you better, please get Serral this time! I do feel bad for trap, but I don't know just enjoy stats' match more.
On July 31 2019 16:51 Yakawakanawa wrote: A way to deal with the problems people see with this vote would be: Only TL accounts are allowed to vote who have linked their account to their battle.net account with a purchased version of Starcraft II. Maybe you can then add some more restrictions, like having had at least played a certain amount of games in non-arcade or 1v1 or whatever in the last few months. That way we would get very few duplicate votes and instead only *real Starcraft fans" would get to vote.
I haven t played a single game in like a year now, but watched pretty much every Premier Tournament in the last 2. Am I not a real fan then?
yeah... I also didn't play until mid 2011 or so but watched the competetive scene since the beta. Having a bnet-account is no good criteria.
On July 31 2019 22:36 pitbulTweety wrote: I hope Rogue can find a way to make his comeback! Good luck Rogue!
I like your optimism but that's not gonna happen. Although I would love to see Rogue(especially because he looks better nowadays than soO), at least the winning player is a current world champion
gumiho only have 3% of the votes???? TY i can understand but boring innovation????? his whole persona is about being an emotionless robot, literally faceless korean!!!!
On August 01 2019 00:41 fishjie wrote: gumiho only have 3% of the votes???? TY i can understand but boring innovation????? his whole persona is about being an emotionless robot, literally faceless korean!!!!
He’s opened up a bit in recent years, plus there comes a weird point when being so robotic in itself has some endearing charm.
Gumiho doing so badly was the real weird result for me though, I’d always thought his unique style made him pretty damn popular with viewers, perhaps he’s more the Starcraft hipster’s choice or something?
On August 01 2019 00:41 fishjie wrote: gumiho only have 3% of the votes???? TY i can understand but boring innovation????? his whole persona is about being an emotionless robot, literally faceless korean!!!!
He’s opened up a bit in recent years, plus there comes a weird point when being so robotic in itself has some endearing charm.
Gumiho doing so badly was the real weird result for me though, I’d always thought his unique style made him pretty damn popular with viewers, perhaps he’s more the Starcraft hipster’s choice or something?
I don't think Gumiho ever was that popular, even when he was winning the GSL. I guess the silent lurkers of TL don't like him that much, whereas some vocal mech fans like it. Since his results are relatively bad nowadays, he gets outshined by INno who is popular among vocal and silent fans.
On August 01 2019 00:41 fishjie wrote: gumiho only have 3% of the votes???? TY i can understand but boring innovation????? his whole persona is about being an emotionless robot, literally faceless korean!!!!
He’s opened up a bit in recent years, plus there comes a weird point when being so robotic in itself has some endearing charm.
Gumiho doing so badly was the real weird result for me though, I’d always thought his unique style made him pretty damn popular with viewers, perhaps he’s more the Starcraft hipster’s choice or something?
Inno, TY and Fantasy all stream a decent amount. Inno has a huge Chinese fan base. Fantasy has a lot of loyal fans from BW. TY has been building a fan base due to his dedication to streaming and learning English.
GuMiho plays some nice Starcraft in a tournament every once in a while.
On August 01 2019 00:41 fishjie wrote: gumiho only have 3% of the votes???? TY i can understand but boring innovation????? his whole persona is about being an emotionless robot, literally faceless korean!!!!
He’s opened up a bit in recent years, plus there comes a weird point when being so robotic in itself has some endearing charm.
Gumiho doing so badly was the real weird result for me though, I’d always thought his unique style made him pretty damn popular with viewers, perhaps he’s more the Starcraft hipster’s choice or something?
Inno, TY and Fantasy all stream a decent amount. Inno has a huge Chinese fan base. Fantasy has a lot of loyal fans from BW. TY has been building a fan base due to his dedication to streaming and learning English.
GuMiho plays some nice Starcraft in a tournament every once in a while.
He’s called Gumigod for a reason dagnabbit.
He seems pretty popular on TL threads but I don’t really consume content from say r/Starcraft where maybe he isn’t that popular.
Lacking the stream is a big thing and I didn’t really expect him to push those guys for that reason, but thought he’d be up at 10%ish instead of where he is now.
That or start close enough but fall off when the aforementioned streamed and campaigned, but he was never in the running really from the start, it’s more that that surprised me than how he’s doing currently.
On August 01 2019 00:41 fishjie wrote: gumiho only have 3% of the votes???? TY i can understand but boring innovation????? his whole persona is about being an emotionless robot, literally faceless korean!!!!
He’s opened up a bit in recent years, plus there comes a weird point when being so robotic in itself has some endearing charm.
Gumiho doing so badly was the real weird result for me though, I’d always thought his unique style made him pretty damn popular with viewers, perhaps he’s more the Starcraft hipster’s choice or something?
Inno, TY and Fantasy all stream a decent amount. Inno has a huge Chinese fan base. Fantasy has a lot of loyal fans from BW. TY has been building a fan base due to his dedication to streaming and learning English.
GuMiho plays some nice Starcraft in a tournament every once in a while.
He’s called Gumigod for a reason dagnabbit.
He seems pretty popular on TL threads but I don’t really consume content from say r/Starcraft where maybe he isn’t that popular.
Lacking the stream is a big thing and I didn’t really expect him to push those guys for that reason, but thought he’d be up at 10%ish instead of where he is now.
That or start close enough but fall off when the aforementioned streamed and campaigned, but he was never in the running really from the start, it’s more that that surprised me than how he’s doing currently.
Well just because you like GuMiho doesn't mean you don't like another player more.
On August 01 2019 01:53 Kalera wrote: At this rate TY might get passed. That would be quite disappointing.
He's been in the lead for Terran almost the entire way through, would be really sad if he doesn't end up making it. Especially since he was already robbed last year when he didn't make it as the best available Terran player in the poll.
I'll say though it certainly isn't smart from him to support Fantasy's campaigning by retweeting him and hosting his stream
Honestly though it's surprising how many people want to see a Ro32 player and a guy who's never gone past the Ro16 in GSL instead of a GSL caster. He's never gonna be invited to any Caster tournaments, people should at least give him GSL vs The World.
On August 01 2019 03:23 pvsnp wrote: What with the deadline fast approaching and Elazer's spectacular comeback, I'm bracing for some more shenanigans with other players.
Strange enough already that this year there's 3 Terrans who have more votes than Inno did when he won the poll last year. And that they're so close. And that it's apparently an unending supply of people.
On August 01 2019 03:23 pvsnp wrote: What with the deadline fast approaching and Elazer's spectacular comeback, I'm bracing for some more shenanigans with other players.
Strange enough already that this year there's 3 Terrans who have more votes than Inno did when he won the poll last year. And that they're so close. And that it's apparently an unending supply of people.
Somebody on reddit claimed that TL was rolling out Weibo registration today. If true, I'd expect about a million new Inno votes by tomorrow.
On August 01 2019 03:23 pvsnp wrote: What with the deadline fast approaching and Elazer's spectacular comeback, I'm bracing for some more shenanigans with other players.
Strange enough already that this year there's 3 Terrans who have more votes than Inno did when he won the poll last year. And that they're so close. And that it's apparently an unending supply of people.
Somebody on reddit claimed that TL was rolling out Weibo registration today. If true, I'd expect about a million new Inno votes by tomorrow.
Would be a wildly stupid thing to do before the vote ends.
On August 01 2019 03:23 pvsnp wrote: What with the deadline fast approaching and Elazer's spectacular comeback, I'm bracing for some more shenanigans with other players.
Strange enough already that this year there's 3 Terrans who have more votes than Inno did when he won the poll last year. And that they're so close. And that it's apparently an unending supply of people.
Somebody on reddit claimed that TL was rolling out Weibo registration today. If true, I'd expect about a million new Inno votes by tomorrow.
Would be a wildly stupid thing to do before the vote ends.
Hmm, what's the rationale for that? Should Chinese players not be able to vote?
On August 01 2019 03:23 pvsnp wrote: What with the deadline fast approaching and Elazer's spectacular comeback, I'm bracing for some more shenanigans with other players.
Strange enough already that this year there's 3 Terrans who have more votes than Inno did when he won the poll last year. And that they're so close. And that it's apparently an unending supply of people.
Somebody on reddit claimed that TL was rolling out Weibo registration today. If true, I'd expect about a million new Inno votes by tomorrow.
Would be a wildly stupid thing to do before the vote ends.
Hmm, what's the rationale for that? Should Chinese players not be able to vote?
No. They can vote. Lots of them already did.
It's just going to favor certain players to a pretty strong degree if you open the Chinese floodgates further. Probably not on the same level as Elazer/Kelazhur incidents but a lot nonetheless. It should have been done before the vote or just after, but not one day before the finish.
On August 01 2019 03:23 pvsnp wrote: What with the deadline fast approaching and Elazer's spectacular comeback, I'm bracing for some more shenanigans with other players.
Strange enough already that this year there's 3 Terrans who have more votes than Inno did when he won the poll last year. And that they're so close. And that it's apparently an unending supply of people.
Somebody on reddit claimed that TL was rolling out Weibo registration today. If true, I'd expect about a million new Inno votes by tomorrow.
Would be a wildly stupid thing to do before the vote ends.
Hmm, what's the rationale for that? Should Chinese players not be able to vote?
No. They can vote. The problem is that adding Weibo basically gives them another account to use in the vote.
It's also going to favor certain players to a pretty strong degree if you open the Chinese floodgates. Probably not on the same level as Elazer/Kelazhur incidents but a lot nonetheless.
Another account? You know you can already sign in via Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Twitch, Steam, and Battle.net?
On August 01 2019 03:23 pvsnp wrote: What with the deadline fast approaching and Elazer's spectacular comeback, I'm bracing for some more shenanigans with other players.
Strange enough already that this year there's 3 Terrans who have more votes than Inno did when he won the poll last year. And that they're so close. And that it's apparently an unending supply of people.
Somebody on reddit claimed that TL was rolling out Weibo registration today. If true, I'd expect about a million new Inno votes by tomorrow.
Would be a wildly stupid thing to do before the vote ends.
Hmm, what's the rationale for that? Should Chinese players not be able to vote?
No. They can vote. The problem is that adding Weibo basically gives them another account to use in the vote.
It's also going to favor certain players to a pretty strong degree if you open the Chinese floodgates. Probably not on the same level as Elazer/Kelazhur incidents but a lot nonetheless.
Another account? You know you can already sign in via Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Twitch, Steam, and Battle.net?
It's poorly worded which is why I removed that. But I stand by the fact that Weibo support should either have been added before the vote or should be added after, not one day before it ends when it would likely have severe implications on the outcome (and on short notice).
On August 01 2019 04:42 LuftGespenst wrote: Let’s see how TY fails to make it BECAUSE someone still living on his SCBW game get voted in. Garbage system.
On August 01 2019 04:42 LuftGespenst wrote: Let’s see how TY fails to make it BECAUSE someone still living on his SCBW game get voted in. Garbage system.
BW fame vs China fame vs GSL caster fame
Well, at least Chinese viewers actually watch SC2, not to mention they are not so enthusiastic about the vote #%^* after TIME was invited and innovation fell pathetically in GSL S3. They aren’t crazy Latin and some western groups who don’t even know how SC2 looks like.
On August 01 2019 01:53 Kalera wrote: At this rate TY might get passed. That would be quite disappointing.
He's been in the lead for Terran almost the entire way through, would be really sad if he doesn't end up making it. Especially since he was already robbed last year when he didn't make it as the best available Terran player in the poll.
I'll say though it certainly isn't smart from him to support Fantasy's campaigning by retweeting him and hosting his stream
Fantasy has now passed TY. Inb4 TY ends up not making it. Ironic. He could save others but not himself.
On August 01 2019 01:53 Kalera wrote: At this rate TY might get passed. That would be quite disappointing.
He's been in the lead for Terran almost the entire way through, would be really sad if he doesn't end up making it. Especially since he was already robbed last year when he didn't make it as the best available Terran player in the poll.
I'll say though it certainly isn't smart from him to support Fantasy's campaigning by retweeting him and hosting his stream
Fantasy has now passed TY. Inb4 TY ends up not making it. Ironic. He could save others but not himself.
It's weird how for all 3 of them the vote counts increase the most when they're not doing jack shit instead of when they're streaming.
For fuck's sake if TY doesn't make it I will be reallyy maad. Other than Maru he is the terran with the most chances to do well at the tournament. Do people really want to see fantasy get 3-0ed by Serral or 3-1ed by Reynor / Neeb / Showtime; 3-2ed by almost every other foreigner? T_T
Tomorrow being the last day of this voting madness, with Asus ROG tournament starting, won't be my most productive day at work for sure.
On August 01 2019 01:53 Kalera wrote: At this rate TY might get passed. That would be quite disappointing.
He's been in the lead for Terran almost the entire way through, would be really sad if he doesn't end up making it. Especially since he was already robbed last year when he didn't make it as the best available Terran player in the poll.
I'll say though it certainly isn't smart from him to support Fantasy's campaigning by retweeting him and hosting his stream
Fantasy has now passed TY. Inb4 TY ends up not making it. Ironic. He could save others but not himself.
It's weird how for all 3 of them the vote counts increase the most when they're not doing jack shit instead of when they're streaming.
Nah, TY got like 200 or 300 votes in pretty quick succession during his 24h stream on Scarlett's stream, that was when he built a pretty comfy lead that has now vanished. I think it's just crunch time and all the fans are getting serious about voting
On August 01 2019 05:35 sneakyfox wrote: For god's sake TY, why are you hosting Fantasy's stream and retweeting his pleas for votes?!
Can we all just somehow save TY from himself and send the best, most interesting Terran to the tournament?
I already have a huge TY crush, and this is so in character. I think TY practices as hard as anybody out there, and his infinite builds are a testament to that, but you always feel like he does it because he loves the game and the scene.
That being said, I really hope people continue to vote TY in light of his generosity. Probably a long shot though... I still think he has okay chances, fingers crossed!!
There's a reddit thread about supporting TY. Since reddit has so many readers and possibly a good chunk who hasn't voted, I guess that's a good place to voice your support if you want him to go to the tournament:
On August 01 2019 06:13 Grumpey11 wrote: Fantasy making it over inno...lol
I'm expecting huge movements on that poll before the vote is over. Things have shifted so much there over the last few days I don't think any of them can be comfortable yet.
On August 01 2019 06:13 Grumpey11 wrote: Fantasy making it over inno...lol
I'm expecting huge movements on that poll before the vote is over. Things have shifted so much there over the last few days I don't think any of them can be comfortable yet.
Nor Trap, he's tied with TY, meaning about 30 votes behind Fantasy and 50 ahead of Inno. It's gonna be razor thin margins all the way down.
On August 01 2019 06:13 Grumpey11 wrote: Fantasy making it over inno...lol
I'm expecting huge movements on that poll before the vote is over. Things have shifted so much there over the last few days I don't think any of them can be comfortable yet.
Nor Trap, he's tied with TY, meaning about 30 votes behind Fantasy and 50 ahead of Inno. It's gonna be razor thin margins all the way down.
Even for Stats it could still get close if Trap somehow makes a rally to catch up. Only one who can sit by idly and laugh around is soO.
On August 01 2019 06:13 Grumpey11 wrote: Fantasy making it over inno...lol
I'm expecting huge movements on that poll before the vote is over. Things have shifted so much there over the last few days I don't think any of them can be comfortable yet.
Nor Trap, he's tied with TY, meaning about 30 votes behind Fantasy and 50 ahead of Inno. It's gonna be razor thin margins all the way down.
Even for Stats it could still get close if Trap somehow makes a rally to catch up. Only one who can sit by idly and laugh around is soO.
I stand by my earlier statement. One or more if these guys is gonna resort to (more) shenanigans.
Guys... apart from whining against Blizzard rules that voting system is not about who is better rather who is more popular - please remember that to show on the voting list players had to be very high in WCS Korea and Circuit rank (at least in first 15). That guarantee that only very high-skilled players are possible to be voted on.
You guys are forgetting that are 2 wild cards with the mext most votes that go after the winner of each group. 5 players will be going. Probably, Stats, SoO, Fantasy, Trap, and TY. Trap and TY would be the wild cards.
I didn't realize how much the the hoopla bothered me until TY and Inno got overtaken by Fantasy.
Back in bw, I was definitely a fan. He invented the modern terran that Flash took into the future. He has a beautiful mind and a heart full of fight....
But TY is brilliant today. Inno is top tier today.
Kinda lame to miss Serral v Ty or Inno
Or dark v inno or Ty.
I hope some people can come through for either of them. They are both worthy.
(My subjective opinion, I respect others, just stating mine)
On August 01 2019 07:52 Seth1 wrote: You guys are forgetting that are 2 wild cards with the mext most votes that go after the winner of each group. 5 players will be going. Probably, Stats, SoO, Fantasy, Trap, and TY. Trap and TY would be the wild cards.
Nobody is forgetting, but that means one of Fantasy, Inno, Trap, TY won't make it (assuming stats is safe, since soO is definitely safe).
Fanta is putting in the effort and streaming heaps so if he is going to win, he deserves it. To those saying he is going to get 3-0'd by all the foreigners, you're giving Fantasy way too little credit. He's good.
On August 01 2019 13:51 Kalera wrote: Are you really planning on posting the vote deltas every half hour until the end of the poll? That seems excessive.
It's looking like TY will be left out now. I'm rather disappointed.
It’s the home stretch - it’s something to do while I’m at work
My personal opinion: Trap deserves to be there more than any of the others in question. If the 3rd highest Korean can’t make the tournament its pretty sad.
Quote: Seth1 Profile PM Joined July 2019 7 Posts 7 hours ago #597 You guys are forgetting that are 2 wild cards with the mext most votes that go after the winner of each group. 5 players will be going. Probably, Stats, SoO, Fantasy, Trap, and TY. Trap and TY would be the wild cards.
I think so too. Yes, Inno and Ty are a little a head of Fantasy skillwise right now. but if u are watching his stream you can see that he is taking maps of trap, ty and other top tier pros. I especially voted for fantasy because he always is willing to play the macro game, plays with intelligence and it's always much fun to watch him play. i predict that he will beat any foreigner beside serral.
On August 01 2019 15:02 StarcraftSquall wrote: Vote Tally: 10:30 PM PDT - 11:00 PM PDT
TY 21 Trap 10 INnoVation 8 FanTaSy 8
Do you really need to make a separate post every half hour? If you absolutely have to keep a running tally you could compile it in a single post at least.
On August 01 2019 14:52 DarkGamer wrote: Quote: Seth1 Profile PM Joined July 2019 7 Posts 7 hours ago #597 You guys are forgetting that are 2 wild cards with the mext most votes that go after the winner of each group. 5 players will be going. Probably, Stats, SoO, Fantasy, Trap, and TY. Trap and TY would be the wild cards.
I think so too. Yes, Inno and Ty are a little a head of Fantasy skillwise right now. but if u are watching his stream you can see that he is taking maps of trap, ty and other top tier pros. I especially voted for fantasy because he always is willing to play the macro game, plays with intelligence and it's always much fun to watch him play. i predict that he will beat any foreigner beside serral.
Anyone can take maps on ladder: I’ve yet to see his game translate to the offline scene. IIRC he didn’t even get out of his HSC Group with plenty of foreign talent. In my opinion he is the weakest offline player in this discussion. But he’s “bribed” enough votes to hustle his way into the Terran spot so it’s up to him to change my opinion. But I expect him to be bounced if he draws about 12 of the 15 other players, easily.
Fantasy leading in the vote and Trap also has a shitload effectively knocking out TY and Innovation. In the end this tournament got a whole lot easier for Serral, Dark Maru and Classic.
On August 01 2019 15:25 kajtarp wrote: Fantasy leading in the vote and Trap also has a shitload effectively knocking out TY and Innovation. In the end this tournament got a whole lot easier for Serral, Dark Maru and Classic.
On August 01 2019 15:29 qwerty23455 wrote: Disappointed that TY could very well miss this. FanTaSy is pretty meh in my opinion in terms of style and skill, at least compared tp TY.
Good thing it's not between TY and Fantasy then! It's a fight between Inno and TY.
EDIT: And I guess Trap too since they're right on top of him.
Nah, I’m just saying that because I would have preferred TY over FanTaSy, I don’t really mind the other 2 players.
Trap because he has done so well this year and deserves to go anyway. INnoVation because he’s an all time SC2 great and has a very clear style that can be very entertaining to watch.
FanTaSy... well, one of my most recent memories was his series against Aramani, and I would prefer something else at one of the only international tournaments we have.
I quite like the campaigning by the Koreans. Although I support TY, regardless of who wins at the end, the SC2 community benefits. The World vote on the other hand is a joke.
On August 01 2019 16:40 Anc13nt wrote: hopefully Inno does well in his group for ASUS Rog. Feel like if he can beat Serral, more people will vote for him.
On August 01 2019 14:52 DarkGamer wrote: Quote: Seth1 Profile PM Joined July 2019 7 Posts 7 hours ago #597 You guys are forgetting that are 2 wild cards with the mext most votes that go after the winner of each group. 5 players will be going. Probably, Stats, SoO, Fantasy, Trap, and TY. Trap and TY would be the wild cards.
I think so too. Yes, Inno and Ty are a little a head of Fantasy skillwise right now. but if u are watching his stream you can see that he is taking maps of trap, ty and other top tier pros. I especially voted for fantasy because he always is willing to play the macro game, plays with intelligence and it's always much fun to watch him play. i predict that he will beat any foreigner beside serral.
Anyone can take maps on ladder: I’ve yet to see his game translate to the offline scene. IIRC he didn’t even get out of his HSC Group with plenty of foreign talent. In my opinion he is the weakest offline player in this discussion. But he’s “bribed” enough votes to hustle his way into the Terran spot so it’s up to him to change my opinion. But I expect him to be bounced if he draws about 12 of the 15 other players, easily.
Your posts contain mostly assumption with false facts. he didnt even participate in HSC. Dont spread false reports. Look it up or dont post it at all. It seems like you only try to support your opinion with wrong statements. Beside that: No, not everyone is trading maps with the best sc2 players. fantasy is around 6600 mmr all the time right now. Thats impressive. Though i have to admit that he couldnt transfer his gameplay to the gsl round of 32. But fantasy himself said that he was embarrassed by his own play.
All in all it think there are arguments for everyone in the pool. Its a matter of taste who you are voting for
On August 01 2019 14:52 DarkGamer wrote: Quote: Seth1 Profile PM Joined July 2019 7 Posts 7 hours ago #597 You guys are forgetting that are 2 wild cards with the mext most votes that go after the winner of each group. 5 players will be going. Probably, Stats, SoO, Fantasy, Trap, and TY. Trap and TY would be the wild cards.
I think so too. Yes, Inno and Ty are a little a head of Fantasy skillwise right now. but if u are watching his stream you can see that he is taking maps of trap, ty and other top tier pros. I especially voted for fantasy because he always is willing to play the macro game, plays with intelligence and it's always much fun to watch him play. i predict that he will beat any foreigner beside serral.
Anyone can take maps on ladder: I’ve yet to see his game translate to the offline scene. IIRC he didn’t even get out of his HSC Group with plenty of foreign talent. In my opinion he is the weakest offline player in this discussion. But he’s “bribed” enough votes to hustle his way into the Terran spot so it’s up to him to change my opinion. But I expect him to be bounced if he draws about 12 of the 15 other players, easily.
Your posts contain mostly assumption with false facts. he didnt even participate in HSC. Dont spread false reports. Look it up or dont post it at all. It seems like you only try to support your opinion with wrong statements. Beside that: No, not everyone is trading maps with the best sc2 players. fantasy is around 6500 mmr all the time right now. Thats impressive. Though i have to admit that he couldnt transfer his gameplay to the gsl round of 32. But fantasy himself said that he was embarrassed by his own play.
All in all it think there are arguments for everyone in the pool. Its a matter of taste who you are voting for
INno has multiple accounts in the 6900-7000mmr range and he isn't even the top form terran. Fantasy is only favored against Elazer and TIME...
On August 01 2019 14:52 DarkGamer wrote: Quote: Seth1 Profile PM Joined July 2019 7 Posts 7 hours ago #597 You guys are forgetting that are 2 wild cards with the mext most votes that go after the winner of each group. 5 players will be going. Probably, Stats, SoO, Fantasy, Trap, and TY. Trap and TY would be the wild cards.
I think so too. Yes, Inno and Ty are a little a head of Fantasy skillwise right now. but if u are watching his stream you can see that he is taking maps of trap, ty and other top tier pros. I especially voted for fantasy because he always is willing to play the macro game, plays with intelligence and it's always much fun to watch him play. i predict that he will beat any foreigner beside serral.
Anyone can take maps on ladder: I’ve yet to see his game translate to the offline scene. IIRC he didn’t even get out of his HSC Group with plenty of foreign talent. In my opinion he is the weakest offline player in this discussion. But he’s “bribed” enough votes to hustle his way into the Terran spot so it’s up to him to change my opinion. But I expect him to be bounced if he draws about 12 of the 15 other players, easily.
Your posts contain mostly assumption with false facts. he didnt even participate in HSC. Dont spread false reports. Look it up or dont post it at all. It seems like you only try to support your opinion with wrong statements. Beside that: No, not everyone is trading maps with the best sc2 players. fantasy is around 6500 mmr all the time right now. Thats impressive. Though i have to admit that he couldnt transfer his gameplay to the gsl round of 32. But fantasy himself said that he was embarrassed by his own play.
All in all it think there are arguments for everyone in the pool. Its a matter of taste who you are voting for
INno has multiple accounts in the 6900-7000mmr range and he isn't even the top form terran. Fantasy is only favored against Elazer and TIME...
On August 01 2019 14:52 DarkGamer wrote: Quote: Seth1 Profile PM Joined July 2019 7 Posts 7 hours ago #597 You guys are forgetting that are 2 wild cards with the mext most votes that go after the winner of each group. 5 players will be going. Probably, Stats, SoO, Fantasy, Trap, and TY. Trap and TY would be the wild cards.
I think so too. Yes, Inno and Ty are a little a head of Fantasy skillwise right now. but if u are watching his stream you can see that he is taking maps of trap, ty and other top tier pros. I especially voted for fantasy because he always is willing to play the macro game, plays with intelligence and it's always much fun to watch him play. i predict that he will beat any foreigner beside serral.
Anyone can take maps on ladder: I’ve yet to see his game translate to the offline scene. IIRC he didn’t even get out of his HSC Group with plenty of foreign talent. In my opinion he is the weakest offline player in this discussion. But he’s “bribed” enough votes to hustle his way into the Terran spot so it’s up to him to change my opinion. But I expect him to be bounced if he draws about 12 of the 15 other players, easily.
Your posts contain mostly assumption with false facts. he didnt even participate in HSC. Dont spread false reports. Look it up or dont post it at all. It seems like you only try to support your opinion with wrong statements. Beside that: No, not everyone is trading maps with the best sc2 players. fantasy is around 6500 mmr all the time right now. Thats impressive. Though i have to admit that he couldnt transfer his gameplay to the gsl round of 32. But fantasy himself said that he was embarrassed by his own play.
All in all it think there are arguments for everyone in the pool. Its a matter of taste who you are voting for
I agree with you, but he beat gumiho and armani and advanced right? Why is he embarrassed. And his main acc is higher than 6,5k. Check sc2unmasked.
On August 01 2019 14:52 DarkGamer wrote: Quote: Seth1 Profile PM Joined July 2019 7 Posts 7 hours ago #597 You guys are forgetting that are 2 wild cards with the mext most votes that go after the winner of each group. 5 players will be going. Probably, Stats, SoO, Fantasy, Trap, and TY. Trap and TY would be the wild cards.
I think so too. Yes, Inno and Ty are a little a head of Fantasy skillwise right now. but if u are watching his stream you can see that he is taking maps of trap, ty and other top tier pros. I especially voted for fantasy because he always is willing to play the macro game, plays with intelligence and it's always much fun to watch him play. i predict that he will beat any foreigner beside serral.
Anyone can take maps on ladder: I’ve yet to see his game translate to the offline scene. IIRC he didn’t even get out of his HSC Group with plenty of foreign talent. In my opinion he is the weakest offline player in this discussion. But he’s “bribed” enough votes to hustle his way into the Terran spot so it’s up to him to change my opinion. But I expect him to be bounced if he draws about 12 of the 15 other players, easily.
Your posts contain mostly assumption with false facts. he didnt even participate in HSC. Dont spread false reports. Look it up or dont post it at all. It seems like you only try to support your opinion with wrong statements. Beside that: No, not everyone is trading maps with the best sc2 players. fantasy is around 6500 mmr all the time right now. Thats impressive. Though i have to admit that he couldnt transfer his gameplay to the gsl round of 32. But fantasy himself said that he was embarrassed by his own play.
All in all it think there are arguments for everyone in the pool. Its a matter of taste who you are voting for
I agree with you, but he beat gumiho and armani and advanced right? Why is he embarrassed. And his main acc is higher than 6,5k. Check sc2unmasked.
Yes, i edited my post cuz of that. He was embarrassed (look post game interview). The reason was, that he played poorly in comparision to his ladder gameplay.
On August 01 2019 14:52 DarkGamer wrote: Quote: Seth1 Profile PM Joined July 2019 7 Posts 7 hours ago #597 You guys are forgetting that are 2 wild cards with the mext most votes that go after the winner of each group. 5 players will be going. Probably, Stats, SoO, Fantasy, Trap, and TY. Trap and TY would be the wild cards.
I think so too. Yes, Inno and Ty are a little a head of Fantasy skillwise right now. but if u are watching his stream you can see that he is taking maps of trap, ty and other top tier pros. I especially voted for fantasy because he always is willing to play the macro game, plays with intelligence and it's always much fun to watch him play. i predict that he will beat any foreigner beside serral.
Anyone can take maps on ladder: I’ve yet to see his game translate to the offline scene. IIRC he didn’t even get out of his HSC Group with plenty of foreign talent. In my opinion he is the weakest offline player in this discussion. But he’s “bribed” enough votes to hustle his way into the Terran spot so it’s up to him to change my opinion. But I expect him to be bounced if he draws about 12 of the 15 other players, easily.
Your posts contain mostly assumption with false facts. he didnt even participate in HSC. Dont spread false reports. Look it up or dont post it at all. It seems like you only try to support your opinion with wrong statements. Beside that: No, not everyone is trading maps with the best sc2 players. fantasy is around 6500 mmr all the time right now. Thats impressive. Though i have to admit that he couldnt transfer his gameplay to the gsl round of 32. But fantasy himself said that he was embarrassed by his own play.
All in all it think there are arguments for everyone in the pool. Its a matter of taste who you are voting for
I agree with you, but he beat gumiho and armani and advanced right? Why is he embarrassed. And his main acc is higher than 6,5k. Check sc2unmasked.
Yes, i edited my post cuz of that. He was embarrassed (look post game interview). The reason was, that he played poorly in comparision to his ladder gameplay.
Well Dear is a monster right now. It happens, I am sure next time will look better.
Cmon ppl, vote for INno, we all absolutely need our Deus ex Machina be present for that event! Who else can teach AlphaStar? Definitely not those pathetic meatbags u r voting for, guys =\
Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
Honestly everyone who reads this voted already anyway. Make a reddit post or something :p.
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
Honestly everyone who reads this voted already anyway. Make a reddit post or something :p.
There might be guys who votes multiple times and read the posts, idk?
I can bear with INno not going, but having INno / fanta instead of TY would be a joke
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
Honestly everyone who reads this voted already anyway. Make a reddit post or something :p.
I dunno feels like any time someone says "Vote for Inno" on TL Inno gets 5 votes
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
Honestly everyone who reads this voted already anyway. Make a reddit post or something :p.
There might be guys who votes multiple times and read the posts, idk?
I can bear with INno not going, but having INno / fanta instead of TY would be a joke
Well unless the vote swings drastically that's just what's gonna happen. TY is getting votes slower than any of his competitors atm. The push he had going a few hours ago has ebbed out. Doesn't matter he's the most in-form of the trio or that he's put in the most campaigning.
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
Do bots read TL.net ?
Maybe Google is working on a sophisticated shitposting AI and is gathering info from TL for that purpose. Project DeepShit.
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
Do bots read TL.net ?
Maybe Google is working on a sophisticated shitposting AI and is gathering info from TL for that purpose. Project DeepShit.
That would be some scary AI. Imagine it studies the confusing BM thread xD
10+ hours left. Curious to see if someone still has Aces up his sleeve
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
Do bots read TL.net ?
Maybe Google is working on a sophisticated shitposting AI and is gathering info from TL for that purpose. Project DeepPoopi.
On August 01 2019 17:39 DieuCure wrote: If INno somehow wins against Serral, TY will be out I guess. What a shame.
Well at least that would mean INno is in form so that's ok. I wonder which foreigner will have the chance to destroy fantasy, or the shame to lose against him.
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
On August 01 2019 17:39 DieuCure wrote: If INno somehow wins against Serral, TY will be out I guess. What a shame.
Well at least that would mean INno is in form so that's ok. I wonder which foreigner will have the chance to destroy fantasy, or the shame to lose against him.
Yes. Funny how Fantasy was closer to Cure than to TY/INno before a certain night, how to explain it ?
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
Do bots read TL.net ?
Maybe Google is working on a sophisticated shitposting AI and is gathering info from TL for that purpose. Project DeepShit.
That would be some scary AI. Imagine it studies the confusing BM thread xD
10+ hours left. Curious to see if someone still has Aces up his sleeve
TY's final ace is going to the foreigner team house.
For some reason I did not see Scarlett and I wanted to vote for her, anyways I did it for TY. If someone know about @onfireScarlett pls let me know gracias amigos
On August 01 2019 17:52 ElFaravahar wrote: For some reason I did not see Scarlett and I wanted to vote for her, anyways I did it for TY. If someone know about @onfireScarlett pls let me know gracias amigos
You can vote for Scarlet on Team World voting page. The link is published at the and of the article on page 1.
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
On August 01 2019 17:03 Poopi wrote: Fantasy highest account on ladder is at 6658MMR according to sc2unmasked, compared to 7023 for INno (who has other accounts near this MMR). That's only 101 more MMR than Maru's protoss... vote TY / INno
I have to admit that i overlooked the 7023 mmr. But it still leads to false conclusions: the 7023 mmr account wasnt used this season (beside one lose). The accounts which were used by innovation are showing another mmr: 6361-6955 on 3 accounts. Though this is his skill-mmr right now. As said before: He is a little above Fantasy, but not as much as some people wanna convince us of.
Interesting sidenote that support my argumentation: TY's account is 6612 mmr. Though less then Fantasys main account. I know that TY can step it up in important games but the skill gap that is painted by some people here isnt that big. (btw im a TY supporter as well, just wanna weaken the people who are degrading Fantasy).
I think all three have valid arguments for them beeing voted in.
Trap is getting another burst of votes so surely he is safe. Come on, vote TY now! We need the best and most entertaining Terran in the vote to go to the tournament!
INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
What he said is actually widely known in Chinese community, Inno did ask time to help him for the vote.
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
Well, there are many chinese fans without accounts.
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
What he said is actually widely known in Chinese community, Inno did ask time to help him for the vote.
What about the actual slanderous part?
Are you saying that also is widely known in Chinese community?
People voting in a poll that drives people to this website and proves the scale and influence of it's top figures... does not ruin the poll and it is not disgusting.
For fans of strategy games - some of you fail to see marketing and corporate strategy.
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
What he said is actually widely known in Chinese community, Inno did ask time to help him for the vote.
What about the actual slanderous part?
Are you saying that also is widely known in Chinese community?
Well, I am a member of the Chinese Starcraft II community. My favorite Korean players is TY, then Zest and Stats, let me tell you the truth. Because of good strength and some funny stories and topics, INnoVation and soO are the most well-known foreign players in the Chinese community. Inno, TY and Special are our boy TIME's good friends. It's normal for Inno to ask TIME to canvass for his vote. It's something happened in the Starcraft community. It's totally different from what Elazer did. Most importantly, most people in our Chinese community don't vote thoughtlessly. Although Inno's popularity is relatively high, we still choose to vote for our favorite player. If we vote for Chinese players, our number may have some advantages. For Korean players and fans, please don't worry that we will disrupt the voting. We will vote for worthwhile players, whether Inno, TY or the others. Thanks for your understanding!
GUYS... INNO cannot stream and advertise for voting for him as he is in Finland on Assembly cup. He is performing really good - apart from losing with Serral - but Serral is found as a best of the best one so no shame. Let's give him and TY support to let them both to be seeded!!!!
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
What he said is actually widely known in Chinese community, Inno did ask time to help him for the vote.
What about the actual slanderous part?
Are you saying that also is widely known in Chinese community?
What Chinese community knows is Inno said that he likes Time’s playstyle and would like to practise with him. And he hopes time to help him. So what the guy said before maybe a little bit exaggerated, but that is not purely slander
It should be TY and Innovation. So many people voted for Fantasy because of his past success. Stats #1 vote getter. The 2 protoss could finish#1 and #2 in votes and both easily qualify one with the Protoss spot, one as the top wildcard. 1 of 2
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
I think INNOVATION‘s excuse is disgusting and Hypocritical.
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
I think INNOVATION‘s excuse is disgusting and Hypocritical.
How do you know he's pretending? Maybe he really likes TIME
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
I think INNOVATION‘s excuse is disgusting and Hypocritical.
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
I think INNOVATION‘s excuse is disgusting and Hypocritical.
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
I think INNOVATION‘s excuse is disgusting and Hypocritical.
On August 01 2019 23:51 gpanda wrote: Don't know why TY has less votes than Trap and FanTaSy while at the same time has much more stream viewer count than the sum of Trap and FanTaSy.
On August 01 2019 23:51 gpanda wrote: Don't know why TY has less votes than Trap and FanTaSy while at the same time has much more stream viewer count than the sum of Trap and FanTaSy.
On August 01 2019 23:51 gpanda wrote: Don't know why TY has less votes than Trap and FanTaSy while at the same time has much more stream viewer count than the sum of Trap and FanTaSy.
On August 01 2019 23:51 gpanda wrote: Don't know why TY has less votes than Trap and FanTaSy while at the same time has much more stream viewer count than the sum of Trap and FanTaSy.
On August 01 2019 23:51 gpanda wrote: Don't know why TY has less votes than Trap and FanTaSy while at the same time has much more stream viewer count than the sum of Trap and FanTaSy.
Yea, he has even been hosting Fantasy's stream. Dude is too nice.
oh man, this is not how you win an election TY
All is well for TY if he beats out Innovation and helped Fantasy with it.
He's only gonna beat Inno though because he got a ton of support from his friends in the foreigner team house. He almost cost himself with his Fantasy supporting shenanigans.
On August 01 2019 22:10 check'ma'te'r wrote: INNOVATION 0:2 SERRAL FANTASY even worse lets vote for TY! PS：In order to get Chinese fans' support, INNOVATION pretended to be TIME's fans and want TIME to promote him among Chinese players. Its ridiculous and disgusting!
1 post guy defaming inno. Hmm.....
I think INNOVATION‘s excuse is disgusting and Hypocritical.
How do you know he's pretending? Maybe he really likes TIME
He really doesn't like Chinese players. If he wins, he will mock them. Believe me, I saw it with my own eyes.
So it's basically over right? I'm satisfied with these results. Trap is in and after seeing innovation get 2-0'd by Serral today I think Fantasy is a better Terran rep anyways.
Petition to have a Bo5/Bo7 between TY and FanTaSy to decide who goes to GSL vs. The World Edit: Wait do both of them go? Nice. I was worried I wouldn't get to see TY >_>
On August 02 2019 04:18 Vazalemma wrote: Petition to have a Bo5/Bo7 between TY and FanTaSy to decide who goes to GSL vs. The World I refuse to have 1 vote decide the attendance of two legends
Even if INno is a better player this year (debatable given their recent GSL performances), he got in last year even when he clearly didn't deserve to, it's nice to see the vote go to someone else this time.
the fantasy army feels high and mighty... i don't mind them rooting (and pushing) for their favorite player but spewing out BS is a little annoying. don't try to suger coat why you're voting for a specific player, him being your favorite is enough. it won't help your cause to throw around arguements that are not backed up by stats.
Hey guys: which crossover match do you think would be fun if you could pick the first round matches (other than Maru vs Serral - we hype that to death)
Personally I am signing up for Dark vs HeRoMaRinE: the ego explosion between those two would be hilarious! A joint interview alone would be worth it.
Other side note: if we do the team match again this year Dark gonna be forced to have to draft foreigners on his squad! 😂 Yes please!
On August 02 2019 06:35 StarcraftSquall wrote: Hey guys: which crossover match do you think would be fun if you could pick the first round matches (other than Maru vs Serral - we hype that to death)
Personally I am signing up for Dark vs HeRoMaRinE: the ego explosion between those two would be hilarious! A joint interview alone would be worth it.
Other side note: if we do the team match again this year Dark gonna be forced to have to draft foreigners on his squad! 😂 Yes please!
I want dark to manner nydus heromarine just for ego explosion and a lot of whine on his stream.
On August 02 2019 06:35 StarcraftSquall wrote: ... Other side note: if we do the team match again this year Dark gonna be forced to have to draft foreigners on his squad! 😂 Yes please!
It is GSL vs the World. Have the Koreans play against the foreigners. I think that drafting teams like last year was lame.
On August 02 2019 06:38 SamirDuran wrote: I want dark to manner nydus heromarine just for ego explosion and a lot of whine on his stream.
On August 02 2019 06:35 StarcraftSquall wrote: Hey guys: which crossover match do you think would be fun if you could pick the first round matches (other than Maru vs Serral - we hype that to death)
Personally I am signing up for Dark vs HeRoMaRinE: the ego explosion between those two would be hilarious! A joint interview alone would be worth it.
Other side note: if we do the team match again this year Dark gonna be forced to have to draft foreigners on his squad! 😂 Yes please!
I want dark to manner nydus heromarine just for ego explosion and a lot of whine on his stream.
On August 02 2019 10:06 Riner1212 wrote: I know fantasy is a good player but hes not in the level of ty or innovation, can anyone please inform me why he was voted?
He is a popular streamer and living off his BW fame. People vote for him because he’s a fan favorite they don’t care if he has any results to back it up. Plus he was telling people he’d do some events for them if he got voted in. I woils like to know where all these votes came from, even from a popular streamer - he picked up several hundred yesterday 👀
On August 02 2019 10:06 Riner1212 wrote: I know fantasy is a good player but hes not in the level of ty or innovation, can anyone please inform me why he was voted?
He is a popular streamer and living off his BW fame. People vote for him because he’s a fan favorite they don’t care if he has any results to back it up. Plus he was telling people he’d do some events for them if he got voted in. I woils like to know where all these votes came from, even from a popular streamer - he picked up several hundred yesterday 👀
I think Inno out is the best solution given we had to accept Fantasy was in! I am ok with that, now that Trap is safe.
On August 02 2019 10:06 Riner1212 wrote: I know fantasy is a good player but hes not in the level of ty or innovation, can anyone please inform me why he was voted?
He is a popular streamer and living off his BW fame. People vote for him because he’s a fan favorite they don’t care if he has any results to back it up. Plus he was telling people he’d do some events for them if he got voted in. I woils like to know where all these votes came from, even from a popular streamer - he picked up several hundred yesterday 👀
I think Inno out is the best solution given we had to accept Fantasy was in! I am ok with that, now that Trap is safe.
Agreed I’m glad stats/TY/trap made it out of this. Of course I think Inno deserves to be there over fantasy though. Editing for inno in ASUS ROG now
Since its GSL vs the World, i really hope they set up the bracket such that every GSL player is matched against a world player. Please do not make it like last year where we see 2 World or GSL players matching up against each other in RO16
On August 02 2019 15:46 DieuCure wrote: It's still weird that Fantasy was far behind INno and TY after the first days, then suddenly came back, and went first in the end.
Do they investigate the votes or they just don't care about it ?
Fantasy has more fans due to his status in BW, plus he campaign harder than inno so no surprise there
I think it's funny how people are white knighting Inno and/ or Fantasy when actually GuMiho has the most WCS points and would have deserved to go. Even before TY
On August 02 2019 16:55 Harris1st wrote: I think it's funny how people are white knighting Inno and/ or Fantasy when actually GuMiho has the most WCS points and would have deserved to go. Even before TY
I would prefer using the current form over WCS points. e.g. soO is a world champion, cool. Bud doesn't show a good form while Rogue was looking good at the last Code S. Similarly GumiHo has WCS points but didn't look exactly good at Code S. The issue with Fantasy is, that while he's at the Code S RO16 he didn't play very good and he doesn't even have the WCS points to show that he was at least somewhat decent in the past.
Based on my criteria(which are mine, so who cares, but I will write it anyway ) I would push through just TY, Trap, Stats, Rogue. And then soO because he's WC But that doesn't matter, voting is done.
Trap vs HeroMarine awwww yisss watching Trap bop HeroMarine will make me so happy that Trap got to make it to GSL vs the world. Then its vs winner of Serral/TY : S, poor TY being put vs Serral early again.
Honestly happy Fantasy is in and Innovation is isn't while I believe Inno to be the better player his play style is so robotic and boring you basically see like 2 or 3 builds from him with minimal variation yes his macro and micro are absolute top tier just a boring player to watch has no flash.
Sad for Solar that the voting ended before Asus Rog Summer Assembly. He demonstrated that he is quite a bit above soO right now. Well, voters would've opted for soO anyway, considering that Solar has already shown that he is the superior player at the moment.
On August 03 2019 21:36 fronkschnonk wrote: Sad for Solar that the voting ended before Asus Rog Summer Assembly. He demonstrated that he is quite a bit above soO right now. Well, voters would've opted for soO anyway, considering that Solar has already shown that he is the superior player at the moment.
Even Rogue, who slumped most of the year, is in a better state than soO who's slumping now. But maybe the caster buff will work for him, worked for TY
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