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Northern Ireland23305 Posts
On July 30 2019 01:16 yubo56 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 00:54 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Also, memo to the masses: not all Korean Terrans are created equal. Yes, they are not, FanTaSy has a special spot in Koreans' hearts that he's carved out over the past decade by now, one that not even TY/BaBy or Stats can lay claim to (who have been playing in BW for a similar amount of time as FanTaSy but with much less success), let alone Inno/Bogus or Trap. Since it's a fan vote, "travesties" will happen in everybody's eyes since the fanbase has diverse opinions, to continue to harp on this is just wasted energy. If MVP or Polt somehow came into the polls and received a disproportionate amount of support to their skill, hardly anybody would bat an eye. But somehow, this combination of Trap's unfortunate situation and FanTaSy's invisible support has left some people really unhappy. For the record, I voted TY + Trap, but if FanTaSy wants to play, works hard to get his votes and actually gets them, who am I to complain?
It’s 2019, we don’t have MLGs, IPLs, regular IEMs etc any more.
GSL vs the World is a tournament that needs to be as strong as possible IMO to plug those gaps and the relative rareness of top foreigners playing Korea’s best in big tournaments.
It has a decent prize pool (last year’s numbers) in a region whose prize pools are too low for how cut throat and competitive it is already.
People can vote how they want, I just don’t think nearly as many places should be being decided that way, a fan favourite wild card or two for each region maybe.
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My soul hurts. Please god, forgive me. Trap deserved it but i gave my vote to Parting. He influenced me by having a Stream title saying "Please vote for Parting". How could i possibly ignore that. Right now i wish i could undo my decision and give it to Trap. Please god of the TL.net forum, listen to me. Please.
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I voted here on TL, but I can vote other ways as well right?
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Fantasy and Inno are now neck and neck, a literal 3 vote difference. TY pulled ahead after joining the foreign house 24h stream and presumably getting their support. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Fantasy and/or Inno overtake Stats, let alone Trap. Both of them have a small but significant lead right now that looks like it will be decisive for 5th place. Vote margins are pretty thin all around, though I imagine most people have already voted.
Frankly I'm surprised that the tallies are this close; it was my understanding that guys like Fantasy and Inno have pretty large/dedicated fanbases (or China), but I've never heard anything like that for Trap.
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Never expected this tight of a race to occur this late into the game. I kind of want Fantasy to win, though I don't necessarily think he's the better player.
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On July 30 2019 04:30 pvsnp wrote:
Fantasy and Inno are now neck and neck, a literal 3 vote difference. TY pulled ahead after joining the foreign house 24h stream and presumably getting their support. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Fantasy and/or Inno overtake Stats, let alone Trap. Both of them have a small but significant lead right now that looks like it will be decisive for 5th place. Vote margins are pretty thin all around, though I imagine most people have already voted.
Frankly I'm surprised that the tallies are this close; it was my understanding that guys like Fantasy and Inno have pretty large/dedicated fanbases (or China), but I've never heard anything like that for Trap.
Its very unlikely that Inno will overtake Stats. Fantasy however...
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This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
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On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote:
This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much.
Trap: Ro12 IEM, GSL S1 Ro4, GSLS2 Runner Up, #3 in WCS Korea: #3!
FanTaSy: two GSL Ro16s, #21 in WCS Korea
Am I missing something?
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On July 30 2019 05:45 StarcraftSquall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote:
This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much. Trap: Ro12 IEM, GSL S1 Ro4, GSLS2 Runner Up, #3 in WCS Korea: #3! FanTaSy: two GSL Ro16s, #21 in WCS Korea Am I missing something?
I love democracy
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So unfair to trap... three terrans advancing?
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There is no doubt that Trap is a powerful player.However,no one can refuse Stats’s smile.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/57gX1Iv.jpg)
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On July 30 2019 05:45 StarcraftSquall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote:
This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much. Trap: Ro12 IEM, GSL S1 Ro4, GSLS2 Runner Up, #3 in WCS Korea: #3! FanTaSy: two GSL Ro16s, #21 in WCS Korea Am I missing something?
You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based.
You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes.
Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
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Northern Ireland23305 Posts
On July 30 2019 07:38 5ecured wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 05:45 StarcraftSquall wrote:On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote:
This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much. Trap: Ro12 IEM, GSL S1 Ro4, GSLS2 Runner Up, #3 in WCS Korea: #3! FanTaSy: two GSL Ro16s, #21 in WCS Korea Am I missing something? You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based. You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes. Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o
Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line.
Especially not at a time where constant whining about Protoss is de facto accepted by the community for too long and the achievements of good, hard working players are downplayed consistently due to their race, especially by a subset of ‘master race’ Terrans.
I like Fantasy’s play stylistically, respect his BW legacy, want him to do well in choosing SC2 and a new challenge vs becoming a BW streamer, I cheer for him most matches he plays but I don’t want him parachuted in to a decent tournament over someone like Trap without earning it with results.
At least going by last year’s prize pool GSL vs the World’s silver pays out more than winning the Super Tournament and top 4 is only a few thousand dollars out, there’s not enough money available to Korean players as it is without the most recent GSL runner up not being able to play in this one.
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On July 30 2019 08:14 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 07:38 5ecured wrote:On July 30 2019 05:45 StarcraftSquall wrote:On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote:
This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much. Trap: Ro12 IEM, GSL S1 Ro4, GSLS2 Runner Up, #3 in WCS Korea: #3! FanTaSy: two GSL Ro16s, #21 in WCS Korea Am I missing something? You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based. You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes. Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line. Especially not at a time where constant whining about Protoss is de facto accepted by the community for too long and the achievements of good, hard working players are downplayed consistently due to their race, especially by a subset of ‘master race’ Terrans. I like Fantasy’s play stylistically, respect his BW legacy, want him to do well in choosing SC2 and a new challenge vs becoming a BW streamer, I cheer for him most matches he plays but I don’t want him parachuted in to a decent tournament over someone like Trap without earning it with results. At least going by last year’s prize pool GSL vs the World’s silver pays out more than winning the Super Tournament and top 4 is only a few thousand dollars out, there’s not enough money available to Korean players as it is without the most recent GSL runner up not being able to play in this one.
If you have a problem with the format, take it up with Blizzard. Instead of shitting on the people who are just following the voting rules that Blizzard laid out.
It almost seems like this is some kind of political election with all the haranguing. It's a video game popularity vote, just take it easy.
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Uh oh,it seems Trap cannot make it.Fantasy and Inno will win the race.
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Northern Ireland23305 Posts
On July 30 2019 08:43 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 08:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 30 2019 07:38 5ecured wrote:On July 30 2019 05:45 StarcraftSquall wrote:On July 30 2019 05:08 hjkim1304 wrote:
This is kinda exciting to watch. Go Fantasy and Trap!!! Kinda sad that only one of them is likely to go through... They both deserve it so much. Trap: Ro12 IEM, GSL S1 Ro4, GSLS2 Runner Up, #3 in WCS Korea: #3! FanTaSy: two GSL Ro16s, #21 in WCS Korea Am I missing something? You are not missing anything. You are simply forgetting or perhaps deliberately ignoring the fact that this is fan-voted. The fans vote who they want to see. I do agree Trap has been doing amazing lately but this is not skill-based, hence the vote. Its fan-based, not skill-based. You are clearly very upset at this. Trap and Fantasy are both working hard to earn their votes. Let the fans choose. From what I have seen, Fantasy has been working so so much to earn his votes. Off topic btw - I see so many posters here with < 10 posts O_o Which is a great advertisement on why fan votes are a bad idea for competitive tournaments with decent money on the line. Especially not at a time where constant whining about Protoss is de facto accepted by the community for too long and the achievements of good, hard working players are downplayed consistently due to their race, especially by a subset of ‘master race’ Terrans. I like Fantasy’s play stylistically, respect his BW legacy, want him to do well in choosing SC2 and a new challenge vs becoming a BW streamer, I cheer for him most matches he plays but I don’t want him parachuted in to a decent tournament over someone like Trap without earning it with results. At least going by last year’s prize pool GSL vs the World’s silver pays out more than winning the Super Tournament and top 4 is only a few thousand dollars out, there’s not enough money available to Korean players as it is without the most recent GSL runner up not being able to play in this one. If you have a problem with the format, take it up with Blizzard. Instead of shitting on the people who are just following the voting rules that Blizzard laid out. It almost seems like this is some kind of political election with all the haranguing. It's a video game popularity vote, just take it easy.
Where did I shit on anyone voting? In my previous post I said people can vote how they want, I just don’t think it being so vote heavy is a good idea, I said keeping a spot or two for a fan favourite vote would be OK by me.
If people want to vote how they do, fine. I’m a fan too and in a scene that has fewer tournaments than ever I’d like to see a GSL runner up test Serral’s mettle over Fantasy. Or over Inno or Ty who don’t have the form this year.
And yes I don’t agree with how it was structured to begin with, that’s not on voters, if voters want to squander an increasingly rare opportunity to have the best of Korea against the best foreigners that’s entirely their choice when the tick the ballot.
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I look at that lineup as it will likely turn out and I weep for the foreigners. I hope Serral, Special, Neeb and Reynor bring it hard, and the others (HeroMarine, Showtime, Time and Scarlett) do their best. But the top Koreans have so many years under their belts and are all just so solid and storied. Serral making it to round two is no gimme, and then moving on, man. If Serral wins this year it would be crazy (let alone another foreigner). Love the guy, but odds are stacked against him.
Edit: let's see how he does in Asus ROG
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Voted for Trap, as he can be strong against the foreigner team.
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On July 30 2019 11:54 frazzle wrote:
I look at that lineup as it will likely turn out and I weep for the foreigners. I hope Serral, Special, Neeb and Reynor bring it hard, and the others (HeroMarine, Showtime, Time and Scarlett) do their best. But the top Koreans have so many years under their belts and are all just so solid and storied. Serral making it to round two is no gimme, and then moving on, man. If Serral wins this year it would be crazy (let alone another foreigner). Love the guy, but odds are stacked against him.
Edit: let's see how he does in Asus ROG
Honestly, of every player potentially in this tournament, Serral is probably the one I’m the least worried about. :-) Think about it: we are criticizing him because he got a runner up in WCS Summer and was knocked out by the champ in Katowice. There’s probably only 9-10 players in the world (including South Korea) that can take him on and win in a Bo5+. 
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