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On July 29 2019 14:42 StarcraftSquall wrote:Show nested quote +
If you're stuck there, why not watch some streams instead? The foreign teamhouse just wrapped up their 24h stream, but there are plenty others still on right now.
That only works on unlimited data plans. 😬 Btw FanTaSy is offering bonuses to people who vote him in: i was wondering how he was getting so many votes all of a sudden. I’ll post a count between the two in question at the top of the hour.
What kind of incentives is he offering and how do we apply for them ? 
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Are people still trying to figure out why Fantasy gets more votes lately? It's all about popularity and how and where the players (and their fans) tell people to vote for them.
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On July 29 2019 15:07 StarcraftSquall wrote:
In the past five hours between the two in question:
FanTaSy received 85 new votes.
Trap received 29 new votes.
FanTaSy gained a net of 56 votes since 6 PM PDT.
That seems like an awful lot of votes in a very short period of time. 👀
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him
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The third place in WCS Korean list / Last GSL Runner up may not get the ticket to the "GSL" vs World, GOOD JOB guys!
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On July 29 2019 15:38 5ecured wrote:
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him
That ^ was factual. What I dislike is seeing a top ten, possibly a top five player in the world being left out in favor of a player who has stream popularity but really nothing else.
I am on Trap’s side THIS YEAR because I feel it’s justified. If the tables were reversed I’d be arguing the same way for FanTaSy. The offline achievements this year speak volumes.
The real crime is... Trap should have been a direct seed and not subject to all of this nonsense.
I feel results should be weighted much more than a popularity contest. And Trap has that in spades over FanTaSy this year. I don’t how many different ways you’d like me to say it, as one of our posters so eloquently pointed out.
On a side note: You know, I haven’t usually cared about race stuff but what I’m seeing happening here is making me personally grow more and more anti-Terran...
This is very upsetting to me and I’m not even a Trap fan or an anti-FanTaSy zealot. It just seems really bush league.
Ok... erg I got going on a tangent again: enough ranting, I’m going to bed. Vote for who you think deserves to go but I can’t see how you justify the 3rd best player in the Korea standings being left out in favor of the 21st.
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On July 29 2019 07:00 StarcraftSquall wrote:
There are four foreigners that can compete with the Koreans without any debate:
Serral, Reynor, Neeb and SpeCial. They have proven this. The foreign scene is much stronger than it used to be and also has the strongest player in the world in Serral.
Another reason to vote Trap’s competence: last year’s IEM he may have been the closest player to take out Serral in a Bo5 for the entire season. He really is showing he’s that good. Stats is going to win the Korean Protoss vote it looks like but I would argue Trap is doing even better than him.
The foreign scene isn't stronger than it used to be, it's still the same, we just have fewer Koreans. Blizzcon results didn't show any change in this regard, IEM neither. The only exception is Serral and your claim he's the best player in the world is questionable considering his IEM and WESG results.
Still the 1:3 ratio of successful foreigners more or less(or worse) around RO8 of Blizzcon, worse for IEM(because foreigners don't have granted spots). Occassionally some foreigner shows great run and then falls back(e.g. Scarlett, Neeb). The only exception to this is Serral and we had this before in Thorzain, Naniwa or Stephano.
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On July 29 2019 16:11 StarcraftSquall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2019 15:38 5ecured wrote:
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him That ^ was factual. What I dislike is seeing a top ten, possibly a top five player in the world being left out in favor of a player who has stream popularity but really nothing else. I am on Trap’s side THIS YEAR because I feel it’s justified. If the tables were reversed I’d be arguing the same way for FanTaSy. The offline achievements this year speak volumes. The real crime is... Trap should have been a direct seed and not subject to all of this nonsense. I feel results should be weighted much more than a popularity contest. And Trap has that in spades over FanTaSy this year. I don’t how many different ways you’d like me to say it, as one of our posters so eloquently pointed out. On a side note: You know, I haven’t usually cared about race stuff but what I’m seeing happening here is making me personally grow more and more anti-Terran... This is very upsetting to me and I’m not even a Trap fan or an anti-FanTaSy zealot. It just seems really bush league. Ok... erg I got going on a tangent again: enough ranting, I’m going to bed. Vote for who you think deserves to go but I can’t see how you justify the 3rd best player in the Korea standings being left out in favor of the 21st.
Trap plays boring games, standard to the bone, nothing special. Fantasy plays whacky styles and is fun to watch. I don't care if one player is 2% better, I care if it's fun to watch.
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I didn't think July of 2019 would be the time when people realized that SC2 fans like a variety of different players for a variety of different reasons
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Looks like we are graced with 4 Korean Terrans in GSL v World. Interesting
At least TvT is more interesting to watch than PvP IMO
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On July 29 2019 17:15 Harris1st wrote:
Looks like we are graced with 4 Korean Terrans in GSL v World. Interesting
At least TvT is more interesting to watch than PvP IMO
There were many twist and turns, currently it looks like it s gonna be 4 Ts, but there are 2 more days.
Trap is fairly close.
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On July 29 2019 17:09 Waxangel wrote:I didn't think July of 2019 would be the time when people realized that SC2 fans like a variety of different players for a variety of different reasons
Ah damn for a moment I though you were saying JulyZerg was making a comeback and would participate 
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On July 29 2019 17:15 Harris1st wrote:
Looks like we are graced with 4 Korean Terrans in GSL v World. Interesting
At least TvT is more interesting to watch than PvP IMO
Imo all Terran matchups are more interesting than PvP and atm PvZ too.
And I agree that anything can still happen, Fantasy is not safe yet, and the same goes for almost all players except soO I guess.
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On July 29 2019 17:03 MrFreeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2019 16:11 StarcraftSquall wrote:On July 29 2019 15:38 5ecured wrote:
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him That ^ was factual. What I dislike is seeing a top ten, possibly a top five player in the world being left out in favor of a player who has stream popularity but really nothing else. I am on Trap’s side THIS YEAR because I feel it’s justified. If the tables were reversed I’d be arguing the same way for FanTaSy. The offline achievements this year speak volumes. The real crime is... Trap should have been a direct seed and not subject to all of this nonsense. I feel results should be weighted much more than a popularity contest. And Trap has that in spades over FanTaSy this year. I don’t how many different ways you’d like me to say it, as one of our posters so eloquently pointed out. On a side note: You know, I haven’t usually cared about race stuff but what I’m seeing happening here is making me personally grow more and more anti-Terran... This is very upsetting to me and I’m not even a Trap fan or an anti-FanTaSy zealot. It just seems really bush league. Ok... erg I got going on a tangent again: enough ranting, I’m going to bed. Vote for who you think deserves to go but I can’t see how you justify the 3rd best player in the Korea standings being left out in favor of the 21st. Trap plays boring games, standard to the bone, nothing special. Fantasy plays whacky styles and is fun to watch. I don't care if one player is 2% better, I care if it's fun to watch.
So you think Trap's series against Innovation or Classic were standard or boring? He became better this year, and more entertaining to watch.
Fantasy is in a lower tier than Trap despite being entertaining, what if he plays like he did against Armani?
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On July 29 2019 19:19 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2019 17:03 MrFreeman wrote:On July 29 2019 16:11 StarcraftSquall wrote:On July 29 2019 15:38 5ecured wrote:
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him That ^ was factual. What I dislike is seeing a top ten, possibly a top five player in the world being left out in favor of a player who has stream popularity but really nothing else. I am on Trap’s side THIS YEAR because I feel it’s justified. If the tables were reversed I’d be arguing the same way for FanTaSy. The offline achievements this year speak volumes. The real crime is... Trap should have been a direct seed and not subject to all of this nonsense. I feel results should be weighted much more than a popularity contest. And Trap has that in spades over FanTaSy this year. I don’t how many different ways you’d like me to say it, as one of our posters so eloquently pointed out. On a side note: You know, I haven’t usually cared about race stuff but what I’m seeing happening here is making me personally grow more and more anti-Terran... This is very upsetting to me and I’m not even a Trap fan or an anti-FanTaSy zealot. It just seems really bush league. Ok... erg I got going on a tangent again: enough ranting, I’m going to bed. Vote for who you think deserves to go but I can’t see how you justify the 3rd best player in the Korea standings being left out in favor of the 21st. Trap plays boring games, standard to the bone, nothing special. Fantasy plays whacky styles and is fun to watch. I don't care if one player is 2% better, I care if it's fun to watch. So you think Trap's series against Innovation or Classic were standard or boring? He became better this year, and more entertaining to watch. Fantasy is in a lower tier than Trap despite being entertaining, what if he plays like he did against Armani?
Armani vs Fantasy was one of the most entertaining serie of the year ?!
So I'm on board with that
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On July 29 2019 19:26 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2019 19:19 Xain0n wrote:On July 29 2019 17:03 MrFreeman wrote:On July 29 2019 16:11 StarcraftSquall wrote:On July 29 2019 15:38 5ecured wrote:
You say you have nothing against Fantasy but you seem to quite dislike him That ^ was factual. What I dislike is seeing a top ten, possibly a top five player in the world being left out in favor of a player who has stream popularity but really nothing else. I am on Trap’s side THIS YEAR because I feel it’s justified. If the tables were reversed I’d be arguing the same way for FanTaSy. The offline achievements this year speak volumes. The real crime is... Trap should have been a direct seed and not subject to all of this nonsense. I feel results should be weighted much more than a popularity contest. And Trap has that in spades over FanTaSy this year. I don’t how many different ways you’d like me to say it, as one of our posters so eloquently pointed out. On a side note: You know, I haven’t usually cared about race stuff but what I’m seeing happening here is making me personally grow more and more anti-Terran... This is very upsetting to me and I’m not even a Trap fan or an anti-FanTaSy zealot. It just seems really bush league. Ok... erg I got going on a tangent again: enough ranting, I’m going to bed. Vote for who you think deserves to go but I can’t see how you justify the 3rd best player in the Korea standings being left out in favor of the 21st. Trap plays boring games, standard to the bone, nothing special. Fantasy plays whacky styles and is fun to watch. I don't care if one player is 2% better, I care if it's fun to watch. So you think Trap's series against Innovation or Classic were standard or boring? He became better this year, and more entertaining to watch. Fantasy is in a lower tier than Trap despite being entertaining, what if he plays like he did against Armani? Armani vs Fantasy was one of the most entertaining serie of the year ?! So I'm on board with that
It was fun to watch, but Fantasy himself was embarassed.
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Some people here are taking a video game fan vote altogether too seriously.
This isn't like last year, where the Kelazhur vote actually had sketchy stuff going on. This is literally just people getting pissed that the player they want to win is not as popular as another player they don't want to win.
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On July 29 2019 18:35 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2019 17:15 Harris1st wrote:
Looks like we are graced with 4 Korean Terrans in GSL v World. Interesting
At least TvT is more interesting to watch than PvP IMO Imo all Terran matchups are more interesting than PvP and atm PvZ too. And I agree that anything can still happen, Fantasy is not safe yet, and the same goes for almost all players except soO I guess.
I find PvZ actually quite entertaining. Specially the way Reynor for example plays it. Always some counterattack/ flanking lings and the 3 ravager hit squad for the WP, so any Allin is getting choked immediately.
Sure, the super late game BL/ Infestor/ static defense vs Tempest / Templar is a bit stale, but everything up to that point is fine by me
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On July 29 2019 19:50 pvsnp wrote:
Some people here are taking a video game fan vote altogether too seriously.
This isn't like last year, where the Kelazhur vote actually had sketchy stuff going on. This is literally just people getting pissed that the player they want to win is not as popular as another player they don't want to win.
People are upset because Blizzard changed the rules without notification which screwed Trap who thought he'd get a seed.
Disappoining that the community isn't unified enough to compensate him for this unfairness.
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On July 29 2019 16:27 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2019 07:00 StarcraftSquall wrote:
There are four foreigners that can compete with the Koreans without any debate:
Serral, Reynor, Neeb and SpeCial. They have proven this. The foreign scene is much stronger than it used to be and also has the strongest player in the world in Serral.
Another reason to vote Trap’s competence: last year’s IEM he may have been the closest player to take out Serral in a Bo5 for the entire season. He really is showing he’s that good. Stats is going to win the Korean Protoss vote it looks like but I would argue Trap is doing even better than him. The foreign scene isn't stronger than it used to be, it's still the same, we just have fewer Koreans. Blizzcon results didn't show any change in this regard, IEM neither. The only exception is Serral and your claim he's the best player in the world is questionable considering his IEM and WESG results. Still the 1:3 ratio of successful foreigners more or less(or worse) around RO8 of Blizzcon, worse for IEM(because foreigners don't have granted spots). Occassionally some foreigner shows great run and then falls back(e.g. Scarlett, Neeb). The only exception to this is Serral and we had this before in Thorzain, Naniwa or Stephano.
I don't care if you ignore me, as long as you drop this kind of bombs I'll keep on answering.
There has never been anyone like Serral before, Stephano kind of had the same aura and greatness but was not successful enough to compare to him while Naniwa and Thorzain are not even remotely close.
Maybe the foreign scene isn't stronger now than it was in 2016 and 2018 in LoTV or 2011/2012 in WoL, if we exclude Serral , but it is way stronger than it was during HoTS and no amount of retired koreans can invalidate that.
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Poll results should've been hidden to avoid self-presentation and other possible bias.
Voted Cure, Solar and Trap.
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