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Elentos
55456 Posts
On July 26 2019 00:01 AlgeriaT wrote: 100 post requirement for voting plz  Severely unfair for people who wouldn't otherwise frequent TL.net (a lot of people prefer r/starcraft these days). Obviously like this we're running a major risk of voting tomfoolery, but there's actual new people who sign up just to vote for this (and also for TLMC) every time. Hundreds of people spamming posts to cross the voting limit doesn't seem the most desirable option then. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8983 Posts
On July 26 2019 00:01 AlgeriaT wrote: 100 post requirement for voting plz If it were some kind of TL community award sure, but this is supposed to be for all sc2 followers and fans. You can't expect everyone who likes sc2 to be posting on 3rd party forums | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On July 26 2019 00:01 AlgeriaT wrote: 100 post requirement for voting plz That would be absurd, in fact this vote should probably be on battle.net. The sc2 community is supposed to vote, not the TL community. Everybody should feel welcome to make a new account and vote, it's the whole point that anybody can vote. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17737 Posts
On July 25 2019 23:48 LiangKimi wrote: Please vote Trap... https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/chghvx/traps_twitlonger_about_gsl_vs_the_world/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app Damn. Now I feel bad for voting for parting  | ||
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DarkAngel2
Poland23 Posts
Situation with Trap reminds me TV-shows like IDOL, Must be the music, You can dance... etc. Participants start complaining about sick mother, hard childhood... etc. People start voting for them not because of their skills but because they are just sorry - and very often these participant wins. I really very sorry for Trap - being a victim of changing the rules in last minute is always a shock and not fair. However he put much less work in gaining big group of loyal fans which now could vote for him. | ||
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Need
566 Posts
On July 25 2019 23:48 LiangKimi wrote: Please vote Trap... https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/chghvx/traps_twitlonger_about_gsl_vs_the_world/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app Holy crap did Blizzard just change the rules in a way that didn't benefit a player? I thought they promised us that the rules can never change. I'm speechless reading about this abuse and I'm brainstorming a tweet storm as we speak | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On July 26 2019 00:15 Musicus wrote: That would be absurd, in fact this vote should probably be on battle.net. The sc2 community is supposed to vot, not the TL community. Everybody should feel welcome to make a new account and vote, it's the whole point that anybody can vote. I assume the reason it's not on battle.net anymore is because when they did it on b.net that one time it didn't work properly. IIRC there were lots of issues with EU players being unable to vote and such. Also in principle it not being on b.net means a guy with 15 accounts doesn't have 15 votes. Now whether TL ensures a person can't cast 15 votes with 15 accounts from the same IP I don't know. | ||
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DarkAngel2
Poland23 Posts
On July 25 2019 23:48 LiangKimi wrote: Please vote Trap... https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/chghvx/traps_twitlonger_about_gsl_vs_the_world/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app I've just read the Trap's post about his disappointment not being automatically promoted to GSL vs. World. I need to say that I'm very sorry for him. However IMHO that shouldn't be an only reason for giving him a Vote. Other players work for a whole year by streaming, meeting with fans, talking to them, giving advises... etc. They work for the popularity and for the votes. Situation with Trap reminds me TV-shows like IDOL, Must be the music, You can dance... etc. Participants start complaining about sick mother, hard childhood... etc. People start voting for them not because of their skills but because they are just sorry - and very often these participant wins. I really very sorry for Trap - being a victim of changing the rules in last minute is always a shock and not fair. However he put much less work in gaining big group of loyal fans which now could vote for him. Giving him a vote only because of his disappointment will be unfair against other players. | ||
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batatm
Israel116 Posts
On July 26 2019 00:01 AlgeriaT wrote: 100 post requirement for voting plz my TL account is 5 years old and yet i don't have 100 posts... should i be banned from voting? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Right now, Trap's spot has been restored and Rogue is the real victim of the change in voting system(even Fantasy has more votes than him); given Rogue's 2019 until now, it's not necessarily a bad thing. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On July 26 2019 00:19 Elentos wrote: I assume the reason it's not on battle.net anymore is because when they did it on b.net that one time it didn't work properly. IIRC there were lots of issues with EU players being unable to vote and such. Also in principle it not being on b.net means a guy with 15 accounts doesn't have 15 votes. Now whether TL ensures a person can't cast 15 votes with 15 accounts from the same IP I don't know. In the end I don't mind it being on TL, it just has to be as easy as possible for anybody who has never used TL before to vote. | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On July 26 2019 00:38 Xain0n wrote: Comparing WCS Korea standings with GSL vs the world voting system in 2017/2018 and this last system, we would have(assuming the vote ends now) six players locked in anyway(Dark, Classic, Trap, soO, Maru, Stats); we would have herO and Dear with WCS points, Rogue and TY with GSLTW 2018, TY and Inno with the current system. Right now, Trap's spot has been restored and Rogue is the real victim of the change in voting system(even Fantasy has more votes than him); given Rogue's 2019 until now, it's not necessarily a bad thing. That's under the assumption that the crowd voting for soO would transfer to Rogue in majority. Maybe the votes would actually migrate to Solar or RagnaroK. Also the previous system had the top 4 of WCS locked. Maru would have been added to the poll. Between Maru, Inno and TY stealing each others votes, I'm not confident 2 Terrans would have gone through in the end. | ||
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Penev
28440 Posts
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On July 26 2019 00:28 DarkAngel2 wrote: I've just read the Trap's post about his disappointment not being automatically promoted to GSL vs. World. I need to say that I'm very sorry for him. However IMHO that shouldn't be an only reason for giving him a Vote. That's not the only reason to give him a vote. The real and best reason is that his performance has been superior to almost every other Protoss this year, and if you want a genuine "GSL vs the World", there should be the players that perform the best. For entertainment value, I feel Nation Wars is the better venue. | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2195 Posts
On July 26 2019 00:12 Elentos wrote: Severely unfair for people who wouldn't otherwise frequent TL.net (a lot of people prefer r/starcraft these days). Obviously like this we're running a major risk of voting tomfoolery, but there's actual new people who sign up just to vote for this (and also for TLMC) every time. Hundreds of people spamming posts to cross the voting limit doesn't seem the most desirable option then. Alright alright it was a bad solution and I apologise to anyone who took offence. But yeah said tomfoolery is obviously what I suggested be dealt with in some way but I guess there's none, and yes definitely a good thing if the vote actually brings people to the forum in a real way. | ||
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JJH777
United States4373 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 26 2019 01:00 Elentos wrote: That's under the assumption that the crowd voting for soO would transfer to Rogue in majority. Maybe the votes would actually migrate to Solar or RagnaroK. Also the previous system had the top 4 of WCS locked. Maru would have been added to the poll. Between Maru, Inno and TY stealing each others votes, I'm not confident 2 Terrans would have gone through in the end. Actually, under the assumption soO's votes(48% of Zerg total) wouldn't follow a radically different distribution than the one the remaining 52% is showing, not turning the table in favor of Solar or Ragnarok. Regarding Terran, I am quite positive people would have given the wild card to a Terran(it's very unlikely Fantasy would have received all these votes in such a situation). | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On July 26 2019 02:00 Xain0n wrote: Actually, under the assumption soO's votes(48% of Zerg total) wouldn't follow a radically different distribution than the one the remaining 52% is showing, not turning the table in favor of Solar or Ragnarok. Regarding Terran, I am quite positive people would have given the wild card to a Terran(it's very unlikely Fantasy would have received all these votes in such a situation). I dunno, there's precedent from last year. ByuN and TY took away so many votes from each other that neither of them got any close to the wild card spot. I would assume the same would happen between Inno and TY if Maru was up for a vote. | ||
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DarkAngel2
Poland23 Posts
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote: Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event. I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players. | ||
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batatm
Israel116 Posts
On July 26 2019 02:13 DarkAngel2 wrote: I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players. how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules. | ||
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