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On July 26 2019 02:13 DarkAngel2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote:
Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event. I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players.
That's no different than players telling their stream viewers to vote for them which I'm sure parting has already done several times. Trap has had an amazing year and has been very consistent. He is 3rd in WCS points. He deserves to be at this event.
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On July 26 2019 02:37 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 02:13 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote:
Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event. I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players. That's no different than players telling their stream viewers to vote for them which I'm sure parting has already done several times.
Very big difference buddy
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On July 26 2019 02:29 batatm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 02:13 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote:
Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event. I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players. how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules.
Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting?
The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments.
That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans.
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On July 26 2019 02:37 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 02:13 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote:
Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event. I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players. That's no different than players telling their stream viewers to vote for them which I'm sure parting has already done several times. Trap has had an amazing year and has been very consistent. He is 3rd in WCS points. He deserves to be at this event.
I don't question whether he deserves or not to be at that event. IMHO he does. I just don't like the way he tries to achieve it - by sharing "touching" story of being a Blizzard's victim.
I have my fingers crossed that both Stats and Trap will eventually be seeded up to the event. They both deserve to be there.
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I am happy that players sympathize with a GSL finalist without a seed, over a clown streamer.
Nobody said what kind of popularity contest this is.
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On July 26 2019 02:57 Ej_ wrote:
I am happy that players sympathize with a GSL finalist without a seed, over a clown streamer.
Nobody said what kind of popularity contest this is.
You might not like him but PartinG is one of the greatest Protoss in sc2 history just as much as he is a clown streamer.
Trap must have a GSL vs The World spot, in any of case.
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On July 26 2019 03:07 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 02:57 Ej_ wrote:
I am happy that players sympathize with a GSL finalist without a seed, over a clown streamer.
Nobody said what kind of popularity contest this is. You might not like him but PartinG is one of the greatest Protoss in sc2 history just as much as he is a clown streamer. Trap must have a GSL vs The World spot, in any of case.
Yeah but PartinG is at the vote count he's at because he's a popular character who doesn't play standard, not because of his accomplishments. Similar to how people vote for Fantasy because he's Fantasy, not because he's better than the other available options.
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What is the chance for a non-seeded player to win it all? I feel we are voting to decide the loosers...
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On July 26 2019 02:45 DarkAngel2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 02:29 batatm wrote:On July 26 2019 02:13 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote:
Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event. I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players. how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules. Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting? The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments. That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans.
where to begin with?
first, wcs if not a mere ladder, it represent the accumulated accomplishments the players had during the year.
in this "ladder" trap has more than double the points that parting has, and is placed third, which undeniably high.
what's more, with the year coming to a close and not too many points left to grab, there won't too be many changes.
that's especially true for parting, who is already eliminated from the current GSL.
as for your criteria for who should be in the tournament, that is according to their "activity" and fan base- there is nothing to support your claim in that regard. it's simply a vote, meaning a majority rule.
maybe parting has more fans than trap, but that does not mean those fans have more power than people who aren't trap fans yet choose to vote for trap.
next, i don't think it's pity derived from trap's tweet that drive such a strong movement to push him into the tournamnet.
in my opinion it has more to do with outrage that a player who did well enough during the year to be placed third on the WCS Korea standings, might not be participating in the upcoming tournament.
lastly, you did not respond to the fact you've made your account today.
ofc there is nothing wrong with that, but it does imply you have an agenda you're trying to push.
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On July 26 2019 02:57 Ej_ wrote:
I am happy that players sympathize with a GSL finalist without a seed, over a clown streamer.
Nobody said what kind of popularity contest this is.
I believe that most of the people share your opinion about that GSL finalist is way better than clown streamer. However I don't find STATS that way. And when he fails to be seeded up - that in practise he will be the victim of Blizzard"s "rule changing" and not Trap.
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On July 26 2019 03:26 Xamo wrote:
What is the chance for a non-seeded player to win it all? I feel we are voting to decide the loosers...
Depends on the bracket. You can't count out guys like Stats, TY and Innovation.
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On July 26 2019 03:27 batatm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 02:45 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 02:29 batatm wrote:On July 26 2019 02:13 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote:
Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event. I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players. how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules. Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting? The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments. That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans. where to begin with? first, wcs if not a mere ladder, it represent the accumulated accomplishments the players had during the year. in this "ladder" trap has more than double the points that parting has, and is placed third, which undeniably high. what's more, with the year coming to a close and not too many points left to grab, there won't too be many changes. that's especially true for parting, who is already eliminated from the current GSL. as for your criteria for who should be in the tournament, that is according to their "activity" and fan base- there is nothing to support your claim in that regard. it's simply a vote, meaning a majority rule. maybe parting has more fans than trap, but that does not mean those fans have more power than people who aren't trap fans yet choose to vote for trap. next, i don't think it's pity derived from trap's tweet that drive such a strong movement to push him into the tournamnet. in my opinion it has more to do with outrage that a player who did well enough during the year to be placed third on the WCS Korea standings, might not be participating in the upcoming tournament. lastly, you did not respond to the fact you've made your account today. ofc there is nothing wrong with that, but it does imply you have an agenda you're trying to push.
I believe that you took me wrong at first. I'm not a fan of PartinG - but STATS. And I'm bit afraid that he will be hit mostly by Trap's touching story. He was way in front of Trap and PartinG before the Twitt was published.
I have created my account today to support STATS as I really like to watch his streams and really enjoy the way he plays. I'm not a shame of that - as my story with SC2 started not that long ago. Maybe he doesn't perform super well this year but I believe he is one of the best Protoss player across past few years.
However I'm pretty "mature" guy - most likely way elder than most of you - and I did a lot of sport competition during my all life. My competing with others sport's opponents always relayed on fair rules - without any influence of such "external factors" like we have here.
To summarize - I true believe that Trap deserves to be at the event. I just think he chose a bit "unfair" way to get there - as I'm sure many people is motivated to vote for him by his "touching" Twitt.
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On July 26 2019 02:45 DarkAngel2 wrote:
Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans.
Voting can be about anything you want it to be. You are not the arbiter of what is a "good" reason to vote for someone. In my opinion, being a fan is not the only reason to vote for someone in GSL vs the World.
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On July 26 2019 03:53 Kalera wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 02:45 DarkAngel2 wrote:
Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Voting can be about anything you want it to be. You are not the arbiter of what is a "good" reason to vote for someone. In my opinion, being a fan is not the only reason to vote for someone in GSL vs the World.
I'm not an arbiter - that's true. And I don't want to be at all. I just think that fair voting requires fair rules - not being disturbed by "touching stories".
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Based on current form it should be TY, Trap, and a Zerg whose ID starts with an R.
Based on popularity it will be INnoVation, Stats, and soO.
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On July 26 2019 04:05 Boggyb wrote:
Based on current form it should be TY, Trap, and a Zerg whose ID starts with an R.
Based on popularity it will be INnoVation, Stats, and soO.
If the voting trend doesn't radically change we will have all of them except for the R rated Zerg players.
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On July 26 2019 03:50 DarkAngel2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 03:27 batatm wrote:On July 26 2019 02:45 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 02:29 batatm wrote:On July 26 2019 02:13 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote:
Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event. I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players. how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules. Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting? The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments. That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans. where to begin with? first, wcs if not a mere ladder, it represent the accumulated accomplishments the players had during the year. in this "ladder" trap has more than double the points that parting has, and is placed third, which undeniably high. what's more, with the year coming to a close and not too many points left to grab, there won't too be many changes. that's especially true for parting, who is already eliminated from the current GSL. as for your criteria for who should be in the tournament, that is according to their "activity" and fan base- there is nothing to support your claim in that regard. it's simply a vote, meaning a majority rule. maybe parting has more fans than trap, but that does not mean those fans have more power than people who aren't trap fans yet choose to vote for trap. next, i don't think it's pity derived from trap's tweet that drive such a strong movement to push him into the tournamnet. in my opinion it has more to do with outrage that a player who did well enough during the year to be placed third on the WCS Korea standings, might not be participating in the upcoming tournament. lastly, you did not respond to the fact you've made your account today. ofc there is nothing wrong with that, but it does imply you have an agenda you're trying to push. I believe that you took me wrong at first. I'm not a fan of PartinG - but STATS. And I'm bit afraid that he will be hit mostly by Trap's touching story. He was way in front of Trap and PartinG before the Twitt was published. I have created my account today to support STATS as I really like to watch his streams and really enjoy the way he plays. I'm not a shame of that - as my story with SC2 started not that long ago. Maybe he doesn't perform super well this year but I believe he is one of the best Protoss player across past few years. However I'm pretty "mature" guy - most likely way elder than most of you - and I did a lot of sport competition during my all life. My competing with others sport's opponents always relayed on fair rules - without any influence of such "external factors" like we have here. To summarize - I true believe that Trap deserves to be at the event. I just think he chose a bit "unfair" way to get there - as I'm sure many people is motivated to vote for him by his "touching" Twitt.
well what do you know! we share some things in common.
i too voted for stats and like you i'm also "mature".
you'll be surprised how many more of us "mature" guys are around (blizzard roots does go back to the 90s after all).
lastly i still stick to my claim that it's not being "touched" that made people jump on the Trap train,
rather it was their honest wish to see the players who did best during the year.
once they saw parting having such a strong lead they realised the situation and acted accordingly.
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On July 26 2019 04:35 batatm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 03:50 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 03:27 batatm wrote:On July 26 2019 02:45 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 02:29 batatm wrote:On July 26 2019 02:13 DarkAngel2 wrote:On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote:
Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event. I believe that people are sorry about Trap - because of his Twitt about being disappointed and being a victim of Blizzard rule changes. That's where the votes come from. For the first few hours he had 1-2% of votes - and after his Twitt the number started to grow suddenly. That is unfair against other players. how interesting... almost as interesting as the fact that trap is currently third in WCS Korea point, or that you made your account this very day. in any case, everyone is free to post whatever they like on reddit, so long they don't break any rules. Voting phase is not about who is higher in the ladder - but who is more "active" on SC2 scene and have more fans. Do you want to tell me that Trap's fans were "sleeping" for a first few hours and next they suddenly woke up for voting? The place on the ladder is kind of "dynamic" ,changes frequently and doesn't have to reflect real skills and current shape of the player. You must be aware that this is quite common that someone from place 8th beats 1st in a tournaments. That's true that everyone can post anything on reddit - I don't question it. I just share my opinion that having a vote just because someone gets "touched" by his story - it's just not fair against other players which are more active and have more "regular and loyal" fans. where to begin with? first, wcs if not a mere ladder, it represent the accumulated accomplishments the players had during the year. in this "ladder" trap has more than double the points that parting has, and is placed third, which undeniably high. what's more, with the year coming to a close and not too many points left to grab, there won't too be many changes. that's especially true for parting, who is already eliminated from the current GSL. as for your criteria for who should be in the tournament, that is according to their "activity" and fan base- there is nothing to support your claim in that regard. it's simply a vote, meaning a majority rule. maybe parting has more fans than trap, but that does not mean those fans have more power than people who aren't trap fans yet choose to vote for trap. next, i don't think it's pity derived from trap's tweet that drive such a strong movement to push him into the tournamnet. in my opinion it has more to do with outrage that a player who did well enough during the year to be placed third on the WCS Korea standings, might not be participating in the upcoming tournament. lastly, you did not respond to the fact you've made your account today. ofc there is nothing wrong with that, but it does imply you have an agenda you're trying to push. I believe that you took me wrong at first. I'm not a fan of PartinG - but STATS. And I'm bit afraid that he will be hit mostly by Trap's touching story. He was way in front of Trap and PartinG before the Twitt was published. I have created my account today to support STATS as I really like to watch his streams and really enjoy the way he plays. I'm not a shame of that - as my story with SC2 started not that long ago. Maybe he doesn't perform super well this year but I believe he is one of the best Protoss player across past few years. However I'm pretty "mature" guy - most likely way elder than most of you - and I did a lot of sport competition during my all life. My competing with others sport's opponents always relayed on fair rules - without any influence of such "external factors" like we have here. To summarize - I true believe that Trap deserves to be at the event. I just think he chose a bit "unfair" way to get there - as I'm sure many people is motivated to vote for him by his "touching" Twitt. well what do you know! we share some things in common. i too voted for stats and like you i'm also "mature". you'll be surprised how many more of us "mature" guys are around (blizzard roots does go back to the 90s after all). lastly i still stick to my claim that it's not being "touched" that made people jump on the Trap train, rather it was their honest wish to see the players who did best during the year. once they saw parting having such a strong lead they realised the situation and acted accordingly.
One thing from my end: Hopefully you are right regarding reasons people are voting for TRAP.
Let's keep fingers crossed that STATS will go through  .
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On July 25 2019 18:38 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 18:13 sneakyfox wrote:
Btw, if voting ended now this would actually be a pretty strong tournament.
- Dark, Maru, Classic, TY, soO, Stats, Trap/PartinG, Inno
- Serral, Neeb, SpeCial, Reynor, Scarlett, Showtime, HeroMarine, TIME
That's a Code S Ro16 right there. No for Showtime, heromarine, Scarlett and time. No for Parting who out of the last 4 Code S was in the RO16 once. Innovation and soO in slump so hard to say if they're ATM RO16 caliber(usually they are though) I mean how can you call Scarlett RO16 Code S when she tried and failed every Code S this year? She ended 3rd, 4th and 4th IIRC in RO32 groups.
News flash: HeRoMaRinE ShoWTimE and Scarlett are World Players not GSL players. Scarlett will probably get in as a wild card because the best non seeded Zerg in the World Circuit is CLEARLY Reynor. I don’t have a problem with Scarlett taking that spot because she’s hit two GSLs and had a top four finish at WESG which don’t get reflected in her WCS standings.
TIME is almost a lock for BlizzCon at this point. The only player I have a real issue with is PartinG who has no business getting in at the expense of Trap this year, I don’t care about anyone else’s argument there: if Trap doesn’t get a spot it’s a terrible vote crime.
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