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GSL vs. The World: Team Korea Vote (2019) - Page 11

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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7533 Posts
July 26 2019 06:56 GMT
#201
Why is anyone angry about the option to vote?

For our game to live, letting some nobody like me help shape my own future content seems smart.

I, we, are shaping our own event. Beyond Bangladeshi troll farms defrauding the vote - I say anything goes.

Re: post above mine.

I think a better player should have zero more rights then you.

Keep voting and if your guys or girl wins - please watch. Eyeballs keep the sport alive.

Happy Democracy you sexy fawks.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States880 Posts
July 26 2019 07:07 GMT
#202
On July 26 2019 15:56 AttackZerg wrote:
Re: post above mine.

I think a better player should have zero more rights then you.


Read the post more carefully. It was literally just a thought exercise. I didn't take a stance either way, and explicitly stated I was happy with the current system.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7533 Posts
July 26 2019 07:14 GMT
#203
On July 26 2019 16:07 Kitai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 15:56 AttackZerg wrote:
Re: post above mine.

I think a better player should have zero more rights then you.


Read the post more carefully. It was literally just a thought exercise. I didn't take a stance either way, and explicitly stated I was happy with the current system.


I read fine and then asserted my opinion. The way you wrote was clear. No inference required.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7533 Posts
July 26 2019 07:16 GMT
#204
On July 26 2019 16:14 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 16:07 Kitai wrote:
On July 26 2019 15:56 AttackZerg wrote:
Re: post above mine.

I think a better player should have zero more rights then you.


Read the post more carefully. It was literally just a thought exercise. I didn't take a stance either way, and explicitly stated I was happy with the current system.


I read fine and then asserted my opinion. The way you wrote was clear. No inference required.


To be clearer still.

I agree with you
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States880 Posts
July 26 2019 07:26 GMT
#205
On July 26 2019 16:16 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 16:14 AttackZerg wrote:
On July 26 2019 16:07 Kitai wrote:
On July 26 2019 15:56 AttackZerg wrote:
Re: post above mine.

I think a better player should have zero more rights then you.


Read the post more carefully. It was literally just a thought exercise. I didn't take a stance either way, and explicitly stated I was happy with the current system.


I read fine and then asserted my opinion. The way you wrote was clear. No inference required.


To be clearer still.

I agree with you


Ah, sorry. The way your initial post came off it sounded like you were accusing me of trying to suppress voter rights and subvert democracy or something lol.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7202 Posts
July 26 2019 07:46 GMT
#206
Holy moly. Fantasy fanbase is incredible! If this goes on we may get 3 Terrans voted in
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 26 2019 08:09 GMT
#207
On July 25 2019 22:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2019 21:12 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 25 2019 20:27 Geo.Rion wrote:
On July 25 2019 18:38 deacon.frost wrote:
On July 25 2019 18:13 sneakyfox wrote:
Btw, if voting ended now this would actually be a pretty strong tournament.

- Dark, Maru, Classic, TY, soO, Stats, Trap/PartinG, Inno
- Serral, Neeb, SpeCial, Reynor, Scarlett, Showtime, HeroMarine, TIME

That's a Code S Ro16 right there.

No for Showtime, heromarine, Scarlett and time.
No for Parting who out of the last 4 Code S was in the RO16 once.

Innovation and soO in slump so hard to say if they're ATM RO16 caliber(usually they are though)

I mean how can you call Scarlett RO16 Code S when she tried and failed every Code S this year? She ended 3rd, 4th and 4th IIRC in RO32 groups.

You have very interesting criteria for the ro16 tier pros.
So it's someone who consistently makes it to ro16, but does not advance any further?

What's your criteria then? My criteria is that they have to have the quality to reliably get to the RO16(and beyond)
(I mean Code S RO16, obviously, when the discussion started with Code S RO16 post)

That's why I mentioned soO and Innovation may not be RO16 players NOW but they are on paper as they usually get in. Now is the key word(ATM in this case doesn't mean the machine tha eats your card and doesn't give you money but At THe Moment ).

Scarlett in 2019 isn't CodeS RO16 player. We can argue about her qualities oversea, fine. But we have the evidence from Season 1 to Season 3 RO32. She never made it. Parting made it once out of 4 cases. That means he's not where he used to be(Parting award, hello?). He's a RO32 player with a great promise but he's not there yet.

Showtime, heromarine, time? Where do we have any evidence they're good enough to pass the RO32 test? No offense to those players, but how can we tell they're good enough to be on the level of Code S RO16? Tell me why you think these 3 are RO16 Code S players material. What results made you think that. I don't think so, they haven't been to Katowice main event which was 24 players nor they have been to Code S. I give a leeway to Serral as he's obvious top player similarly I give a leeway to Neeb, Reynor and mjr Special(who actually qualified to Code S RO16 and not just once).

I don't think I'm being mean or harsh, but let's hear your side of the story

Edit> BTW you didn't miss it's about Code S RO16 quality, did you?

I dont know, the current standings seem absolutely fine for me.
It's not like you can vote in casual streamers and fan favorite semi-pros. Parting is on the Korean poll-options because of the WCS points. He accumulated more than Zest or SoS this year. You dont like the Blizzard/WCS system, that's fine, but it is their event, they can do it according to their own point-system.

Saying who are the best at the moment is an absolutely impossible task, since it's so easy to say X or Y is in slump cuz he blows out from one or 2 tournaments, so he's not among the top player ATM (but might get to the finals when he doesnt get knocked out, and suddenly people are calling him the best who ever was).

Locking the top of each race, then narrowing down the options based on the point system is as good a strategy as you can get, as long as you want to get that fan-voting element in there.

The Korean roster seems very very strong, even if Parting squeezes in as the 8th player (which isnt certain at this point). As you can verify for yourself, not every GSL code S ro16 roster looks like the 16 best players in Korea (or in the world), so let's lower the standards just a tiny bit, each selection process has its ups and downs and its upsets.

As for the foreigners, obviously we dont have 8 players who could reliably beat the Korean roster, we have 1-4 players who might actually make it to the finals (they are all locked in), and as for the 5-8 seeds, based on the current standings, they are all people who have taken games and series off of top Koreans in the past year (except, big Gabe, i guess, but arguably he found his mojo only recently, so I wholeheartedly agree with him being there this time around)




But that was not the point. I just said this isn't the quality of Code S RO16. I didn't dispute the rest and I mostly argue about foreigners and Parting. So why do we have this discussion? It appears there's no disagreement. Probably some weird planet constellation turned us into misreading each other
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
DMadGuard
Profile Joined July 2018
3 Posts
July 26 2019 08:14 GMT
#208
On July 26 2019 01:55 JJH777 wrote:
Amazing comeback by Trap. He is far better than Stats or Parting right now tbh. I would love to see Trap beat Serral in this event.


Same. I think last time they met at a tournament was at Katowice last year where he almost 3-0'd Serral. But that was right before Serral went into overdrive.
tinalordforg
Profile Joined July 2019
1 Post
July 26 2019 08:21 GMT
#209
Please vote INnoVation,maybe you think he is not one of the best Terran in the world anymore,but we really want to see him in this competition,hope that he could bring back his glory of yesterday
7miles
Profile Joined July 2019
17 Posts
July 26 2019 08:47 GMT
#210
I voted TY,Solar,Trap
TY is a fun player and performed very well recently, and Trap deserves a seat as the third place on the WCS Korean list , the reason for voting for Solar is his new video, he tryed hard to canvass in Chinese and promise to donate his 20% bonuses to charity
Serral fan
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
July 26 2019 09:16 GMT
#211
Keep going let’s get Trap the Protoss seed: he should’ve been seeded.

Very weird looking at the FanTaSy vote: I don’t think he should be in based on this year’s performance, which is what I feel we should be voting on. Name branding isn’t everything here.

I believe the Korean qualifiers should be Inno, soO, Trap and Stats, and the World reps HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, ShoWTimE and Scarlett. Based on the voting perimeters that feels like the correct result.
INnoVation3
Profile Joined July 2019
1 Post
July 26 2019 09:24 GMT
#212
On July 26 2019 17:47 7miles wrote:
I voted TY,Solar,Trap
TY is a fun player and performed very well recently, and Trap deserves a seat as the third place on the WCS Korean list , the reason for voting for Solar is his new video, he tryed hard to canvass in Chinese and promise to donate his 20% bonuses to charity

25zai???
DarkAngel2
Profile Joined July 2019
Poland23 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-26 09:30:47
July 26 2019 09:28 GMT
#213
On July 26 2019 18:16 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Keep going let’s get Trap the Protoss seed: he should’ve been seeded.

Very weird looking at the FanTaSy vote: I don’t think he should be in based on this year’s performance, which is what I feel we should be voting on. Name branding isn’t everything here.

I believe the Korean qualifiers should be Inno, soO, Trap and Stats, and the World reps HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, ShoWTimE and Scarlett. Based on the voting perimeters that feels like the correct result.


Either Trap or Stats can be seeded in a "normal" way - the second will be part of a "lottery", depending how many votes other guys are given.
Trap is performing better this year - but Stats is way better in context of whole carrer. I have given Stats a vote.
Trap has similar position as soO - both have been hit by Blizzard's rule changing. However soO is not complaining about that and nobody on this forum is sorry for him - at least no one express it that much as for Trap .
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 26 2019 09:30 GMT
#214
While I'm writing, Fantasy has surpassed Inno; pretty unexpected, I love Fanta but Inno is a more competitive player.

In any of case, four Terran would be too much considering WCS representative will at least have other three; keep voting Trap(and Stats), please.
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
July 26 2019 09:38 GMT
#215
On July 26 2019 18:16 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Keep going let’s get Trap the Protoss seed: he should’ve been seeded.

Very weird looking at the FanTaSy vote: I don’t think he should be in based on this year’s performance, which is what I feel we should be voting on. Name branding isn’t everything here.

I believe the Korean qualifiers should be Inno, soO, Trap and Stats, and the World reps HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, ShoWTimE and Scarlett. Based on the voting perimeters that feels like the correct result.


Not quite sure how you can say we ought to be voting on this year's performance and then say Inno ought to qualify, barring WESG the dude's been mediocre at best.
mechanized
Profile Joined July 2018
2 Posts
July 26 2019 09:46 GMT
#216
Vote for solar ,hero and fantasy
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18291 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-26 09:50:12
July 26 2019 09:49 GMT
#217
On July 26 2019 18:38 Z3nith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2019 18:16 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Keep going let’s get Trap the Protoss seed: he should’ve been seeded.

Very weird looking at the FanTaSy vote: I don’t think he should be in based on this year’s performance, which is what I feel we should be voting on. Name branding isn’t everything here.

I believe the Korean qualifiers should be Inno, soO, Trap and Stats, and the World reps HeRoMaRinE, Reynor, ShoWTimE and Scarlett. Based on the voting perimeters that feels like the correct result.


Not quite sure how you can say we ought to be voting on this year's performance and then say Inno ought to qualify, barring WESG the dude's been mediocre at best.

He's the best performing Terran in that list though...

By far better than Gumi or Fantasy this year. And by far better than Bunny in *any* year. You could maybe argue TY is on par, but Inno has a bigger trophy and otherwise similar results. Cure the only reason to include him is because he has been tearing it up online and looked strong in the GSL Ro32, but he hasn't gotten at all far in any major tournaments.
Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
July 26 2019 10:07 GMT
#218
Thanks popularity contests for making Rogue stream
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
July 26 2019 10:36 GMT
#219
Com'on vote for Inno
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
gxq2010
Profile Joined July 2019
2 Posts
July 26 2019 10:52 GMT
#220
Please vote for Fantasy!!!Despite his poor performance in Starcraft2,But he always shows the attitude and spirit of professional players,Moved us,So。。。please!vote for him and Support him!Thankyou!
I am in the mysterious East ----- China, bless you~
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