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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On June 07 2019 21:41 MockHamill wrote: Every cheater should be banned for life. I look forward to the day when cheating in multiplayer games will give you a lengthy prison sentence. The state is decade behind on that one, I called the police last week when my "friend" cheated at GoFish and they didn't even have the decency to put him in custody. | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On June 07 2019 21:41 MockHamill wrote: Every cheater should be banned for life. I look forward to the day when cheating in multiplayer games will give you a lengthy prison sentence. Let's hope you'll never have power in a country. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On June 07 2019 21:52 Nakajin wrote: The state is decade behind on that one, I called the police last week when my "friend" cheated at GoFish and they didn't even have the decency to put him in custody. This is obviously just because you live in Canada. Our police would have shot him 29 times and poured cocaine all over the body. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On June 07 2019 21:41 MockHamill wrote: Every cheater should be banned for life. I look forward to the day when cheating in multiplayer games will give you a lengthy prison sentence. Yes, and better start with the youngest first. I promise you, a 13 year old will not cheat again once he gets released after a 5 year sentence! The ultimate solution without a doubt.  | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
On June 07 2019 21:41 MockHamill wrote: Every cheater should be banned for life. I look forward to the day when cheating in multiplayer games will give you a lengthy prison sentence. That sentence is too light, the only justice would be the electric chair. | ||
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Jan1997
Norway671 Posts
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On June 07 2019 23:51 renaissanceMAN wrote: This is obviously just because you live in Canada. Our police would have shot him 29 times and poured cocaine all over the body. As it should be done. | ||
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verlar
34 Posts
On June 07 2019 06:56 ProTech wrote: No, actually if you were tracking his account you could see that after being a full time 2v2 player ( for 9 years ) he got to top 16 GM in less than 2,000 games. I can assure you that's not possible. I have watched his stream many years ago (like 5) and he was very fast player with good macro and good micro. I favoured watch him above many GMs and even most pro players. Obviously he could be top GM long time ago, just needed to knew 1v1 BO and responses. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On June 07 2019 14:09 Stormhoof wrote: If this hacking happened 4-5 years ago and guy didnt hacked during qualifiers, this is plain dumb. On June 07 2019 20:53 stilt wrote: Getting banned for an offense commited on ladder 4y ago ? Nice one Blizzard. On June 07 2019 17:20 SnowAngel wrote: There is proof that he hacked in 2v2 AND 4v4 years ago, but I doubt he has done it after that, not with his main account anyway. I'd like to believe him that he hasn't hacked since, not with his main account anyway, but since he didn't get properly punished back in the day, so it was due time. It's difficult to defend a toxic guy, but I don't hate him like many do. I hope he has learned his lesson now and uninstalls all lurking and tempting cheating software from his computer. Blizzard says that he hacked recently - not 4-5 years ago - on the ladder and banned him from SC2 AGAIN for that. An sc2 ban at any point during WCS disqualifies you from further competition in that event. So many low post count accounts that are very quick to defend the word of an infamous serial hacker without even reading the statements that Blizzard made about the issue. It's not even like he was permabanned, there doesn't seem to have been a disciplinary action kicking him out of future WCS or even this one - he got swapped out for another player because the rules say that you can't compete while your account is in bad standing, AKA literally during a ban for hacking. | ||
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ProTech
United States491 Posts
On June 08 2019 02:39 Cyro wrote: Blizzard says that he hacked recently - not 4-5 years ago - on the ladder and banned him from SC2 AGAIN for that. An sc2 ban at any point during WCS disqualifies you from further competition in that event. So many low post count accounts that are very quick to defend the word of an infamous serial hacker without even reading the statements that Blizzard made about the issue. Yeah people definitely don't understand the tweet from blizzard. He got banned for hacking during his ladder sessions. Whether he was caught in a banwave or targeted investigation is uncertain. The point is, he cheated his way to his rank that allowed him to compete in the first place, hence the life time ban he received. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
hence the life time ban he received. All that i've seen so far is that he got banned from SC2 for some amount of time for recent hacking and as a consequence can't compete in the current WCS. I haven't heard anything about sc2 ban duration or future competition bans | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On June 08 2019 02:39 Cyro wrote: Blizzard says that he hacked recently - not 4-5 years ago - on the ladder and banned him from SC2 AGAIN for that. An sc2 ban at any point during WCS disqualifies you from further competition in that event. So many low post count accounts that are very quick to defend the word of an infamous serial hacker without even reading the statements that Blizzard made about the issue. It's not even like he was permabanned, there doesn't seem to have been a disciplinary action kicking him out of future WCS or even this one - he got swapped out for another player because the rules say that you can't compete while your account is in bad standing, AKA literally during a ban for hacking. Even more low posts account are criticizing him, not that I really care contrary to you, dunno what you're trying to imply, seems like unspoken stuffs). That said, considering the strong antagonisms between na players, it's quite normal. Anyway I tend to actually believe him yes, especially with this kind of post : "To clarify: While no cheats were detected during the open qualifiers, a player whose account is no longer in good standing is ineligible to compete based on Rule 3.1.a in the WCS Rules." Ok, we know this guy cheated at some point, the rules are the rules but considering the lenght of an esport carrer, I think a statute of limitations should apply too, it's not as if he matchfixed. Finally, even if you are "the rules are the rules" kind of mentality it's weird they didn't ban him before and waited for this. | ||
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BadHabits
Canada45 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Ok, we know this guy cheated at some point, the rules are the rules but considering the lenght of an esport carrer, I think a statute of limitations should apply too, it's not as if he matchfixed. Finally, even if you are "the rules are the rules" kind of mentality it's weird they didn't ban him before and waited for this. You're still talking about cheating "at some point" and statute of limitations stuff, so i guess that some people missed the bolded quotes and still don't understand the current situation The problem is not that he was destroying the game 5 years ago, it's that he continued to do it to the current day until he recieved yet another sc2 ban for hacking on the ladder in 2019. I don't have any obsession with the guy or negative intent. I do firmly believe that the correct information should be laid out cleanly and clearly so that well-meaning posters aren't misled by the tsunami of strongly opinionated but poorly educated posters on the topic. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27269 Posts
On June 08 2019 03:59 stilt wrote: Even more low posts account are criticizing him, not that I really care contrary to you, dunno what you're trying to imply, seems like unspoken stuffs). That said, considering the strong antagonisms between na players, it's quite normal. Anyway I tend to actually believe him yes, especially with this kind of post : "To clarify: While no cheats were detected during the open qualifiers, a player whose account is no longer in good standing is ineligible to compete based on Rule 3.1.a in the WCS Rules." Ok, we know this guy cheated at some point, the rules are the rules but considering the lenght of an esport carrer, I think a statute of limitations should apply too, it's not as if he matchfixed. Finally, even if you are "the rules are the rules" kind of mentality it's weird they didn't ban him before and waited for this. Hacking is maybe not match fixing level bad at the competitive pro levels, it’s worse for a game overall. I’ve seen cheaters get rehabilitated into other scenes, generally they do a full mea culpa, maybe take a break, or work hard to give something back to their community and earn their way back in. I feel that standard is ok, I’m pretty sure some prominent SC2 figures who are greatly respected now, hacker or did something like win-trading in BW. From what I’ve read in thread this guy hacked just for the sake of it, then hacked close enough to a Challenger qualification and got caught, years later. And is toxic to boot apparently, although I don’t know the guy. Yes second chances, I’m sick of the onus being on decent players and people to just suck up toxic behaviour. It’s been 20 years and I’m thoroughly sick of ‘it’s the internet.’ I’m happy to give second chances, sure but there are mistakes and there are habitual behaviour, and there are folks who genuinely feel bad and those who feel bad they’ve been caught. | ||
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ProTech
United States491 Posts
On June 08 2019 02:56 Cyro wrote: All that i've seen so far is that he got banned from SC2 for some amount of time for recent hacking and as a consequence can't compete in the current WCS. I haven't heard anything about sc2 ban duration or future competition bans He streamed for about an hour last night, and said that it was a life time ban. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On June 08 2019 06:29 ProTech wrote: He streamed for about an hour last night, and said that it was a life time ban. That makes things simple then | ||
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MrFreeman
207 Posts
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raff100
498 Posts
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ProTech
United States491 Posts
On June 08 2019 10:30 raff100 wrote: Rotterdam interview with Purelegacy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr96LU5lI4Q I'm not sure why, but rotterdam seems to think that being in good standing with the community is why he got banned. Here's the rule set for 2019 WCS: https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/gallery/no/NOKZ0GJO1ZP31549474261241.pdf Refer to 3.1.A as to why he got banned. | ||
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