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United Kingdom20285 Posts
On June 09 2019 05:15 TaKeTV wrote:
My only issue with the ban is that he was allowed to participate. If the rule is that you have to be in good standing by WCS standards and a flagged account for hacking - no matter how long it has been - is ruled out, that is harsh but fine by me. Giving him the chance to play and ban him after seems unreasonable.
Personally I feel the 'flagged once - banned forever' is fine but I don't want people to have 2nd chances in a competetive world where they cheated.
He got detected/banned for hacking after the qualifier and blizzard can't go back in time to tell him not to bother signing up. How are they supposed to know who they are going to detect hacking before they catch them?
People may be perfectly eligible to compete, win a qualifier and then later go on to break game rules that get their accounts suspended/banned. That will get them kicked out of the tournament immediately because it's part of the rules, just as happened here.
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On June 07 2019 04:16 atira_sc2 wrote:
This is absurd. There's no way my sweetheart is hacking/cheating in anyway. Blizzard is just doing this out of peer pressure of the community.
StarCraft has a community?! I thought it died a long time ago!
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Northern Ireland25075 Posts
On June 09 2019 10:14 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2019 05:15 TaKeTV wrote:
My only issue with the ban is that he was allowed to participate. If the rule is that you have to be in good standing by WCS standards and a flagged account for hacking - no matter how long it has been - is ruled out, that is harsh but fine by me. Giving him the chance to play and ban him after seems unreasonable.
Personally I feel the 'flagged once - banned forever' is fine but I don't want people to have 2nd chances in a competetive world where they cheated. He got the ban for hacking on ladder around the same time and that sc2 account ban didn't happen until after the qualifier. What do you want them to do, go back in time?
Communicate a bit better I suppose? Was something I pondered myself. I mean these kinda bans aren’t common, clarifying things a bit better both cuts through people trying to defend him from a position of misunderstanding, but also sends a message out to anyone thinking of hacking in future.
Granted as some people read a statement that talks about recent hacks and whatnot and responses here and on reddit are arguing that you shouldn’t be banned for being BM, or old hacks shouldn’t DQ you for this etc, perhaps communication at Blizzard’s end isn’t the issue
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on reddit are arguing that you shouldn’t be banned for being BM, or old hacks shouldn’t DQ you for this etc
When these people don't read the approximately 5 sentences of rock solid information that we have on the situation i don't think that there's anything that you can do to help them. Best we can do is make the situation clear so that people who take a few seconds looking for that information don't get misled by the crowds.
I mean these kinda bans aren’t common
Hackers get banned quite regularly. The uncommon part is that one of those active hackers qualified for WCS meanwhile, potentially without hacking during the actual qualifier.
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Ya I'm actually surprised Nate and Ting let him win that 2v2 tournament back in 2015. Such obvious hacking, why wouldn't they take the prize money and give it to the runner up? That was a good 2v2 tourney, beside legacy and larry, I wish Ting or some other sponsor would do that every year.
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didn't watch the video but now i've lost ALL respect for rotti, what is he doing ??? purelagacy is the scum of starcraft, he should be left in the dust without another word.
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Rotti apparently trying to bait out views for his yt channel. Sad he would defend this guy
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United Kingdom20285 Posts
On June 09 2019 14:51 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
Rotti apparently trying to bait out views for his yt channel. Sad he would defend this guy
There have been some bizarre defenses from high profile people like Rotti and Demuslim.
They don't seem to have an understanding of the subject as i've seen both of them talk as if the issue and ban stems only from some 2v2 hacking in 2014-2015 which is not the case. They have based entire discussions on this information which has always been very clearly incorrect.
Every reliable source contradicts that assertion; the highest quality of which is the original source and announcement of the ban from Blizzard.
The only source that i can see saying that all of this came from some 2014 2v2 hacking is the accused himself, and what use is it to get your entire view of the situation by asking the banned person what happened and then accepting it as fact without so much as a glance at other sources? They've been misled but they left themselves wide open to it, especially Rotti. How can you make a 27 minute video discussing the ban without even reading the reason for the ban?
In repeating such dubious statements about the situation they are causing a lot of people - fans and general members of the community who trust them - to give credit to (most likely) blatant lies that don't deserve the benefit of the doubt*. I don't think it's something to hold against them but retractions/edits with more factually accurate information would clear up a lot.
*edit: Part of that may have even happened because Demuslim got his info about the subject from Rotti's video and repeated the incorrect information thirdhand.
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On June 09 2019 15:22 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2019 14:51 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
Rotti apparently trying to bait out views for his yt channel. Sad he would defend this guy There have been some bizarre defenses from high profile people like Rotti and Demuslim. They don't seem to have an understanding of the subject as i've seen both of them talk as if the issue and ban stems only from some 2v2 hacking in 2014-2015 which is not the case. They have based entire discussions on this information which has always been very clearly incorrect. Every reliable source contradicts that assertion; the highest quality of which is the original source and announcement of the ban from Blizzard. The only source that i can see saying that all of this came from some 2014 2v2 hacking is the accused himself, and what use is it to get your entire view of the situation by asking the banned person what happened and then accepting it as fact without so much as a glance at other sources? They've been misled but they left themselves wide open to it, especially Rotti. How can you make a 27 minute video discussing the ban without even reading the reason for the ban? In repeating such dubious statements about the situation they are causing a lot of people - fans and general members of the community who trust them - to give credit to (most likely) blatant lies that don't deserve the benefit of the doubt*. I don't think it's something to hold against them but retractions/edits with more factually accurate information would clear up a lot. *edit: Part of that may have even happened because Demuslim got his info about the subject from Rotti's video and repeated the incorrect information thirdhand.
I just don't understand why 2v2 hacking is presented as minor either. It's like, once a cheater, always a cheater, lifetime ban. That's what happens to matchfixers, cheaters, and hackers. That's the deterrence. It shows shockingly bad judgement and the lifetime ban is needed to prevent those things from happening, or casting ethics questions on the games.
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On June 09 2019 10:14 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2019 05:15 TaKeTV wrote:
My only issue with the ban is that he was allowed to participate. If the rule is that you have to be in good standing by WCS standards and a flagged account for hacking - no matter how long it has been - is ruled out, that is harsh but fine by me. Giving him the chance to play and ban him after seems unreasonable.
Personally I feel the 'flagged once - banned forever' is fine but I don't want people to have 2nd chances in a competetive world where they cheated. He got detected/banned for hacking after the qualifier and blizzard can't go back in time to tell him not to bother signing up. How are they supposed to know who they are going to detect hacking before they catch them? People may be perfectly eligible to compete, win a qualifier and then later go on to break game rules that get their accounts suspended/banned. That will get them kicked out of the tournament immediately because it's part of the rules, just as happened here.
Well they could do these kind of checks BEFORE the qualifiers?
In the other case, that he was detected for hacking after the qualifiers, they didn't really mention it in the post linked in the original post. They could easily stated a rough time frame for this to avoid much of this discussion. "Recent" doesn't really tell me if it's before or after the qualifiers. And yes it does leave open the interpretation of up to 4 years, because they chose not to be specific. Not likely, but possible.
On June 09 2019 15:22 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2019 14:51 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
Rotti apparently trying to bait out views for his yt channel. Sad he would defend this guy There have been some bizarre defenses from high profile people like Rotti and Demuslim.
Because even people who are for sure guilty need to be able to defend themselves? Because blatant lies sometimes (actually often) are not as blatant as they are claimed? Because we shoot first and ask questions later?
Because interpreting that Rotterdam is defending PureLegacy is wrong? Although I do get why one could think so, but we should not if we were in an ideal world.
Because we are not that dumb yet, that we need other people to decide our opinion?
Because people try to supress the "wrong opinion" rather than deal with its contents? And that is also rather worrying?
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you cant just... " post this statement claiming iam innocent" you need proof these days... word of mouth is not enough.
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On June 09 2019 01:47 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2019 23:06 naughtDE wrote:
Blizz just needs to clarify if he got swooped with the recent Ban wave because of his hacking 4 years ago or more recently, especially since he swore he hasn't during that time. And even if he got swooped because of what he did 4 years ago and he has to sit this one out, then so be it.
If Blizz just believed hearsay of popular community figures and this is a witch hunt, then Rotti did well in warning us of what we are becoming. Maybe, Rotti’s position seemed to be informed by an understanding that a combination of 2015 hacking and other poor conduct made up the rationale for his ban. I and many others here interpret the wording of the statement and other things to mean he was banned for hacking a pretty short time ago, and possibly was part of the most recent ban wave for it. I don’t think Rotti had that information because he didn’t bring it up at all, I don’t think he takes the stance he did if he was privy to it. Nobody really, outside of historians, scientists dealing with long-term phenomena, people analysing cultural trends etc uses the word ‘recent’ to mean 4 years ago. What we have become, and have been for some time is way too tolerant of shitty behaviour because ‘the scene needs characters’ or ‘it’s entertaining’ other such justifications. People were defending Avilo on Reddit even after Twitch banned him and the police were involved. Why is the onus on people to just tolerate bullshit and not on people to just grow up and be functional adults? If the 2v2 guys in this thread, a scene I don’t know or care for particularly are saying that between cheating and other obnoxious behaviour he actually ruined the competitive end of the scene in NA, and multiple 1v1 players have said the same subsequently on the obnoxious behaviour end, and have said so for quite some time that’s really not a witch hunt that’s a consistent pattern of behaviour. None of his answers really pass muster against that IMO. If he’s in need of good practice, I don’t know maybe do the rather common practice partner thing? I just don’t think he’s being honest at all in the interview with Rotti. If we were even a quarter as tolerant of casters who aren’t Tastosis or other favourites that would be a marked improvement.
My impression of him was very dishonest during that interview as well. That was my impression. For me personally, recent does not mean 4 years ago either, then again, How long did it take Blizzard to fix Infestors in WoL...right, they didn't and they don't seem to be very punctual when it comes to dealing with hackers (soon™). So while they are not historians or scientists dealing with long-term phenomena, they are a company I deem capable of calling four years ago recent.
And I also agree with you that we are way to tolerant of terrible behavior, that is why I wrote, even if his hacking four years ago gets punished now I wouldn't mind.
I still mind that Blizzard does not simply clarify if he is the lying bastard we assume he is by simply clarifying if he got banned because of how much the community dislikes him or if he actually cheated during the last four years. Until then ,and I share your viewpoint, however, until then we are just rambling on like the rest of the idiots in this thread without crucial pieces of information that could steer this discussion in a meaningful direction...information Blizzard should just disclose.
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On June 09 2019 15:22 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2019 14:51 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
Rotti apparently trying to bait out views for his yt channel. Sad he would defend this guy There have been some bizarre defenses from high profile people like Rotti and Demuslim. They don't seem to have an understanding of the subject as i've seen both of them talk as if the issue and ban stems only from some 2v2 hacking in 2014-2015 which is not the case. They have based entire discussions on this information which has always been very clearly incorrect. Every reliable source contradicts that assertion; the highest quality of which is the original source and announcement of the ban from Blizzard. The only source that i can see saying that all of this came from some 2014 2v2 hacking is the accused himself, and what use is it to get your entire view of the situation by asking the banned person what happened and then accepting it as fact without so much as a glance at other sources? They've been misled but they left themselves wide open to it, especially Rotti. How can you make a 27 minute video discussing the ban without even reading the reason for the ban? In repeating such dubious statements about the situation they are causing a lot of people - fans and general members of the community who trust them - to give credit to (most likely) blatant lies that don't deserve the benefit of the doubt*. I don't think it's something to hold against them but retractions/edits with more factually accurate information would clear up a lot. *edit: Part of that may have even happened because Demuslim got his info about the subject from Rotti's video and repeated the incorrect information thirdhand.
Just to hone in on some key points of what you wrote -- "Every reliable source contradicts that assertion" -- The only msg from Blizzard was a tweet stating his account recently hacked. -- There is no date on that, for all I know, recent goes by the hack of 4 years ago. If I stated Tod in Recent years went from Progamer in sc2, to commentator it wouldn't be wrong, and from a company like Blizzard that has used "Soon" as a statement for 2-3 years +, I don't think relying on that meaning what ever you want it to mean is accurate either.
It was stated by Blizzard that he wasn't hacking in the WCS qualifier in which he qualified, but the account had a recent hacking violation -- I think there's a lot of things that could've been done a lot better, like not letting him in the qualifier in the first place if this was the case anyway.
But the thing is, without specifics from Blizzard, I could be wrong, or anyone could be wrong with their view on this.
If it really was back in 2015 that he hacked in 2v2, and that was it (back when he was what, 16?) -- Would you really feel it'd still be wrong, and should be perma banned period? Because if so, that's another case for disagreement rather than just believing he's lying.
Maybe I'm just a more forgiving person in that regard, but honestly I feel a lot of people are judging more based off character, which I agree, the stream sniping and bming/flaming isn't cool at all, and for the record, everything I've seen makes me dislike him as a person, and I really think he needs to grow up. BUT we aren't talking about banning him based off those reasons, purely based on the hacking which again, if it was recent, and by that I mean has continually hacked/cheated past 2015 and onwards, then I totally agree with a ban. BUT how can I know, and without Blizzard releasing specifics, the only thing I can say is, if he hasn't done it since 2015, then yeah, I think the whole thing was handled very poorly.
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On June 09 2019 22:57 DeMusliM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2019 15:22 Cyro wrote:On June 09 2019 14:51 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
Rotti apparently trying to bait out views for his yt channel. Sad he would defend this guy There have been some bizarre defenses from high profile people like Rotti and Demuslim. They don't seem to have an understanding of the subject as i've seen both of them talk as if the issue and ban stems only from some 2v2 hacking in 2014-2015 which is not the case. They have based entire discussions on this information which has always been very clearly incorrect. Every reliable source contradicts that assertion; the highest quality of which is the original source and announcement of the ban from Blizzard. The only source that i can see saying that all of this came from some 2014 2v2 hacking is the accused himself, and what use is it to get your entire view of the situation by asking the banned person what happened and then accepting it as fact without so much as a glance at other sources? They've been misled but they left themselves wide open to it, especially Rotti. How can you make a 27 minute video discussing the ban without even reading the reason for the ban? In repeating such dubious statements about the situation they are causing a lot of people - fans and general members of the community who trust them - to give credit to (most likely) blatant lies that don't deserve the benefit of the doubt*. I don't think it's something to hold against them but retractions/edits with more factually accurate information would clear up a lot. *edit: Part of that may have even happened because Demuslim got his info about the subject from Rotti's video and repeated the incorrect information thirdhand. Just to hone in on some key points of what you wrote -- "Every reliable source contradicts that assertion" -- The only msg from Blizzard was a tweet stating his account recently hacked. -- There is no date on that, for all I know, recent goes by the hack of 4 years ago. If I stated Tod in Recent years went from Progamer in sc2, to commentator it wouldn't be wrong, and from a company like Blizzard that has used "Soon" as a statement for 2-3 years +, I don't think relying on that meaning what ever you want it to mean is accurate either. It was stated by Blizzard that he wasn't hacking in the WCS qualifier in which he qualified, but the account had a recent hacking violation -- I think there's a lot of things that could've been done a lot better, like not letting him in the qualifier in the first place if this was the case anyway. But the thing is, without specifics from Blizzard, I could be wrong, or anyone could be wrong with their view on this. If it really was back in 2015 that he hacked in 2v2, and that was it (back when he was what, 16?) -- Would you really feel it'd still be wrong, and should be perma banned period? Because if so, that's another case for disagreement rather than just believing he's lying. Maybe I'm just a more forgiving person in that regard, but honestly I feel a lot of people are judging more based off character, which I agree, the stream sniping and bming/flaming isn't cool at all, and for the record, everything I've seen makes me dislike him as a person, and I really think he needs to grow up. BUT we aren't talking about banning him based off those reasons, purely based on the hacking which again, if it was recent, and by that I mean has continually hacked/cheated past 2015 and onwards, then I totally agree with a ban. BUT how can I know, and without Blizzard releasing specifics, the only thing I can say is, if he hasn't done it since 2015, then yeah, I think the whole thing was handled very poorly.
Forgiving? lolllll. The guy was still harassing streamers recently (harassing isnt snipping). U seems ez forgiving when its not u being a victim of a nerd ruining ur ladder experience. Beastyqt, jason, protech, avilo, tons of small streamers. Hey man, keep supporting this kind of behavior, its no big deal lolllll
There is something called production tab hack, it gives u an advantage in a game even if you dont see the map. How do u think this player reached top gm the first time xD .Seeing "big" streamers defending this clown cracks me up.
There is only one thing to do in this case, unfollow a streamer supporting cheats and harassement behavior.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On June 10 2019 00:02 Adnapsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2019 22:57 DeMusliM wrote:On June 09 2019 15:22 Cyro wrote:On June 09 2019 14:51 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
Rotti apparently trying to bait out views for his yt channel. Sad he would defend this guy There have been some bizarre defenses from high profile people like Rotti and Demuslim. They don't seem to have an understanding of the subject as i've seen both of them talk as if the issue and ban stems only from some 2v2 hacking in 2014-2015 which is not the case. They have based entire discussions on this information which has always been very clearly incorrect. Every reliable source contradicts that assertion; the highest quality of which is the original source and announcement of the ban from Blizzard. The only source that i can see saying that all of this came from some 2014 2v2 hacking is the accused himself, and what use is it to get your entire view of the situation by asking the banned person what happened and then accepting it as fact without so much as a glance at other sources? They've been misled but they left themselves wide open to it, especially Rotti. How can you make a 27 minute video discussing the ban without even reading the reason for the ban? In repeating such dubious statements about the situation they are causing a lot of people - fans and general members of the community who trust them - to give credit to (most likely) blatant lies that don't deserve the benefit of the doubt*. I don't think it's something to hold against them but retractions/edits with more factually accurate information would clear up a lot. *edit: Part of that may have even happened because Demuslim got his info about the subject from Rotti's video and repeated the incorrect information thirdhand. Just to hone in on some key points of what you wrote -- "Every reliable source contradicts that assertion" -- The only msg from Blizzard was a tweet stating his account recently hacked. -- There is no date on that, for all I know, recent goes by the hack of 4 years ago. If I stated Tod in Recent years went from Progamer in sc2, to commentator it wouldn't be wrong, and from a company like Blizzard that has used "Soon" as a statement for 2-3 years +, I don't think relying on that meaning what ever you want it to mean is accurate either. It was stated by Blizzard that he wasn't hacking in the WCS qualifier in which he qualified, but the account had a recent hacking violation -- I think there's a lot of things that could've been done a lot better, like not letting him in the qualifier in the first place if this was the case anyway. But the thing is, without specifics from Blizzard, I could be wrong, or anyone could be wrong with their view on this. If it really was back in 2015 that he hacked in 2v2, and that was it (back when he was what, 16?) -- Would you really feel it'd still be wrong, and should be perma banned period? Because if so, that's another case for disagreement rather than just believing he's lying. Maybe I'm just a more forgiving person in that regard, but honestly I feel a lot of people are judging more based off character, which I agree, the stream sniping and bming/flaming isn't cool at all, and for the record, everything I've seen makes me dislike him as a person, and I really think he needs to grow up. BUT we aren't talking about banning him based off those reasons, purely based on the hacking which again, if it was recent, and by that I mean has continually hacked/cheated past 2015 and onwards, then I totally agree with a ban. BUT how can I know, and without Blizzard releasing specifics, the only thing I can say is, if he hasn't done it since 2015, then yeah, I think the whole thing was handled very poorly. Forgiving? lolllll. The guy was still harassing streamers recently (harassing isnt snipping). U seems ez forgiving when its not u being a victim of a nerd ruining ur ladder experience. Beastyqt, jason, protech, avilo, tons of small streamers. Hey man, keep supporting this kind of behavior, its no big deal lolllll There is something called production tab hack, it gives u an advantage in a game even if you dont see the map. How do u think this player reached top gm the first time xD .Seeing "big" streamers defending this clown cracks me up. There is only one thing to do in this case, unfollow a streamer supporting cheats and harassement behavior.
Yeah, Demu just exactly stated, that he acknowledge he isn't the best character and rolemodel around, but we should base our decesions on information, not on his character.
Edit> Did you read it?
Edit2 > also quite weird choice to mention Avilo in the "victim" side of people who are being harassed 
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Blizz should just clarify that he was not banned for hacking in 2015, but for something more recent if that is the case, so everybody could move on and Demu, Rotti and other good people would not have to play devil's advocate.
Blizz is justt making it worse with their cryptic tweets.
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On June 09 2019 22:57 DeMusliM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2019 15:22 Cyro wrote:On June 09 2019 14:51 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
Rotti apparently trying to bait out views for his yt channel. Sad he would defend this guy There have been some bizarre defenses from high profile people like Rotti and Demuslim. They don't seem to have an understanding of the subject as i've seen both of them talk as if the issue and ban stems only from some 2v2 hacking in 2014-2015 which is not the case. They have based entire discussions on this information which has always been very clearly incorrect. Every reliable source contradicts that assertion; the highest quality of which is the original source and announcement of the ban from Blizzard. The only source that i can see saying that all of this came from some 2014 2v2 hacking is the accused himself, and what use is it to get your entire view of the situation by asking the banned person what happened and then accepting it as fact without so much as a glance at other sources? They've been misled but they left themselves wide open to it, especially Rotti. How can you make a 27 minute video discussing the ban without even reading the reason for the ban? In repeating such dubious statements about the situation they are causing a lot of people - fans and general members of the community who trust them - to give credit to (most likely) blatant lies that don't deserve the benefit of the doubt*. I don't think it's something to hold against them but retractions/edits with more factually accurate information would clear up a lot. *edit: Part of that may have even happened because Demuslim got his info about the subject from Rotti's video and repeated the incorrect information thirdhand. Just to hone in on some key points of what you wrote -- "Every reliable source contradicts that assertion" -- The only msg from Blizzard was a tweet stating his account recently hacked. -- There is no date on that, for all I know, recent goes by the hack of 4 years ago. If I stated Tod in Recent years went from Progamer in sc2, to commentator it wouldn't be wrong, and from a company like Blizzard that has used "Soon" as a statement for 2-3 years +, I don't think relying on that meaning what ever you want it to mean is accurate either. It was stated by Blizzard that he wasn't hacking in the WCS qualifier in which he qualified, but the account had a recent hacking violation -- I think there's a lot of things that could've been done a lot better, like not letting him in the qualifier in the first place if this was the case anyway. But the thing is, without specifics from Blizzard, I could be wrong, or anyone could be wrong with their view on this. If it really was back in 2015 that he hacked in 2v2, and that was it (back when he was what, 16?) -- Would you really feel it'd still be wrong, and should be perma banned period? Because if so, that's another case for disagreement rather than just believing he's lying. Maybe I'm just a more forgiving person in that regard, but honestly I feel a lot of people are judging more based off character, which I agree, the stream sniping and bming/flaming isn't cool at all, and for the record, everything I've seen makes me dislike him as a person, and I really think he needs to grow up. BUT we aren't talking about banning him based off those reasons, purely based on the hacking which again, if it was recent, and by that I mean has continually hacked/cheated past 2015 and onwards, then I totally agree with a ban. BUT how can I know, and without Blizzard releasing specifics, the only thing I can say is, if he hasn't done it since 2015, then yeah, I think the whole thing was handled very poorly.
So if blizzards statement isn't enough, surely you can go to youtube and look up some Purelegacy hack videos. They are strewn all over youtube, and then perhaps you can come to an educated decision yourself.
Seeing as how you have been invested into the scene for as long as you have, you should know that someone with the psychopath personality such as PureLegacy usually combos well with cheating in this game.
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It was stated by Blizzard that he wasn't hacking in the WCS qualifier in which he qualified, but the account had a recent hacking violation -- I think there's a lot of things that could've been done a lot better, like not letting him in the qualifier in the first place if this was the case anyway.
But the thing is, without specifics from Blizzard, I could be wrong, or anyone could be wrong with their view on this.
The antihack account ban that kicked him out of WCS happened after the qualifier, that's the reason that was announced for him not being able to play
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On June 07 2019 23:23 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2019 21:41 MockHamill wrote:
Every cheater should be banned for life. I look forward to the day when cheating in multiplayer games will give you a lengthy prison sentence.
Let's hope you'll never have power in a country.
LMAO, i was thinking the same thing.
At the very least, no mas BOD.
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On June 07 2019 23:51 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2019 21:52 Nakajin wrote:On June 07 2019 21:41 MockHamill wrote:
Every cheater should be banned for life. I look forward to the day when cheating in multiplayer games will give you a lengthy prison sentence.
The state is decade behind on that one, I called the police last week when my "friend" cheated at GoFish and they didn't even have the decency to put him in custody. This is obviously just because you live in Canada. Our police would have shot him 29 times and poured cocaine all over the body.
Blue lives matter, I rly dislike Gargamel
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