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Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
June 10 2019 08:16 GMT
#121
The neckbeards and soyboys are real in this thread

User was temp banned for this post.
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-10 12:25:28
June 10 2019 12:24 GMT
#122
On June 09 2019 22:57 DeMusliM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2019 15:22 Cyro wrote:
On June 09 2019 14:51 UtherTruthBringer wrote:
Rotti apparently trying to bait out views for his yt channel. Sad he would defend this guy


There have been some bizarre defenses from high profile people like Rotti and Demuslim.

They don't seem to have an understanding of the subject as i've seen both of them talk as if the issue and ban stems only from some 2v2 hacking in 2014-2015 which is not the case. They have based entire discussions on this information which has always been very clearly incorrect.

Every reliable source contradicts that assertion; the highest quality of which is the original source and announcement of the ban from Blizzard.

The only source that i can see saying that all of this came from some 2014 2v2 hacking is the accused himself, and what use is it to get your entire view of the situation by asking the banned person what happened and then accepting it as fact without so much as a glance at other sources? They've been misled but they left themselves wide open to it, especially Rotti. How can you make a 27 minute video discussing the ban without even reading the reason for the ban?

In repeating such dubious statements about the situation they are causing a lot of people - fans and general members of the community who trust them - to give credit to (most likely) blatant lies that don't deserve the benefit of the doubt*. I don't think it's something to hold against them but retractions/edits with more factually accurate information would clear up a lot.

*edit: Part of that may have even happened because Demuslim got his info about the subject from Rotti's video and repeated the incorrect information thirdhand.



Just to hone in on some key points of what you wrote -- "Every reliable source contradicts that assertion" -- The only msg from Blizzard was a tweet stating his account recently hacked. -- There is no date on that, for all I know, recent goes by the hack of 4 years ago. If I stated Tod in Recent years went from Progamer in sc2, to commentator it wouldn't be wrong, and from a company like Blizzard that has used "Soon" as a statement for 2-3 years +, I don't think relying on that meaning what ever you want it to mean is accurate either.

It was stated by Blizzard that he wasn't hacking in the WCS qualifier in which he qualified, but the account had a recent hacking violation -- I think there's a lot of things that could've been done a lot better, like not letting him in the qualifier in the first place if this was the case anyway.
But the thing is, without specifics from Blizzard, I could be wrong, or anyone could be wrong with their view on this.
If it really was back in 2015 that he hacked in 2v2, and that was it (back when he was what, 16?) -- Would you really feel it'd still be wrong, and should be perma banned period? Because if so, that's another case for disagreement rather than just believing he's lying.

Maybe I'm just a more forgiving person in that regard, but honestly I feel a lot of people are judging more based off character, which I agree, the stream sniping and bming/flaming isn't cool at all, and for the record, everything I've seen makes me dislike him as a person, and I really think he needs to grow up. BUT we aren't talking about banning him based off those reasons, purely based on the hacking which again, if it was recent, and by that I mean has continually hacked/cheated past 2015 and onwards, then I totally agree with a ban. BUT how can I know, and without Blizzard releasing specifics, the only thing I can say is, if he hasn't done it since 2015, then yeah, I think the whole thing was handled very poorly.

I respect you and Rotti for weighing in on difficult subjects, especially when it turns into utter flamefests like this.

While Blizzards meaning of "recent" can be interpreted both ways and there is no way to really know the truth that seems to me like splitting hairs.

Sure its not definite that Blizzards "recent play" isn't 4 years ago but it is pretty damn unlikely.

Consider the context, we have a known and previously banned cheater, that cheated for sure 2014-2015. If you were a Blizzard employee that knew this in what context would you write that he was banned due to "a hacks review of recent play"? In the context were he is banned because he cheated 2014 or the context where he is banned due to cheating this year?

Its just baffling, my guess would bethat Blizzard intentionally wrote "recent" in order for this discussion to never happen. As always even if you think you are communicating very clearly there will always be people that can find that slight opening to interpret something different.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6899 Posts
June 11 2019 11:59 GMT
#123
On June 09 2019 05:15 TaKeTV wrote:
My only issue with the ban is that he was allowed to participate. If the rule is that you have to be in good standing by WCS standards and a flagged account for hacking - no matter how long it has been - is ruled out, that is harsh but fine by me. Giving him the chance to play and ban him after seems unreasonable.

Personally I feel the 'flagged once - banned forever' is fine but I don't want people to have 2nd chances in a competetive world where they cheated.


Even in normal sports, people are allowed back in after a year or two. One of the most popular examples is Maria Sharapova after she got caught doping was allowed to play WTA again. And don't get me started on cyclists... Sad but true
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ScrubbleS
Profile Joined December 2010
United States74 Posts
June 11 2019 16:09 GMT
#124
I agree that he should be unbanned, yes he ruined games for top team game players and 1v1ers in the past, but that is the past... It has been a long time since he was hacking, I know personally he has never hacked against me, countless times I have done 3:40 3base nydus against him and he has lost to it, or reacts after it is in his main. I have went through every replay I have played against him and there is no sign off hacking. We play often on the NA server. #freePL
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 11 2019 17:22 GMT
#125
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BadHabits
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada45 Posts
June 11 2019 17:34 GMT
#126
On June 12 2019 01:09 ScrubbleS wrote:
I agree that he should be unbanned, yes he ruined games for top team game players and 1v1ers in the past, but that is the past... It has been a long time since he was hacking, I know personally he has never hacked against me, countless times I have done 3:40 3base nydus against him and he has lost to it, or reacts after it is in his main. I have went through every replay I have played against him and there is no sign off hacking. We play often on the NA server. #freePL


ya except for him and his friends still terrorize 2v2 to this day.

they've come into my twitch and trolled me (i'm not even an important person). it was like 4-5 of them at once, very annoying.

he's basicly one of those people you never want to encounter, just has a negative vibe, thinks it's funny to ruin peoples day... just a terrible person, he should not be given any second chances.. he's just a stain on the community.

and i didn't watch the video but he cries at the end?? WHAT A BABY, he got what he deserved...... maybe should've just played legit the whole time instead of being a selfish pompous douche? GOOD RIDDANCE.
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NbaLover
Profile Joined May 2019
24 Posts
June 11 2019 18:42 GMT
#127
On June 12 2019 01:09 ScrubbleS wrote:
I agree that he should be unbanned, yes he ruined games for top team game players and 1v1ers in the past, but that is the past... It has been a long time since he was hacking, I know personally he has never hacked against me, countless times I have done 3:40 3base nydus against him and he has lost to it, or reacts after it is in his main. I have went through every replay I have played against him and there is no sign off hacking. We play often on the NA server. #freePL


Based on this logic, we should un-ban all the match fixing players. Since they never ruined the experience for any players.

#freeLife
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
June 11 2019 19:40 GMT
#128
On June 12 2019 02:34 BadHabits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2019 01:09 ScrubbleS wrote:
I agree that he should be unbanned, yes he ruined games for top team game players and 1v1ers in the past, but that is the past... It has been a long time since he was hacking, I know personally he has never hacked against me, countless times I have done 3:40 3base nydus against him and he has lost to it, or reacts after it is in his main. I have went through every replay I have played against him and there is no sign off hacking. We play often on the NA server. #freePL


ya except for him and his friends still terrorize 2v2 to this day.

they've come into my twitch and trolled me (i'm not even an important person). it was like 4-5 of them at once, very annoying.

he's basicly one of those people you never want to encounter, just has a negative vibe, thinks it's funny to ruin peoples day... just a terrible person, he should not be given any second chances.. he's just a stain on the community.

and i didn't watch the video but he cries at the end?? WHAT A BABY, he got what he deserved...... maybe should've just played legit the whole time instead of being a selfish pompous douche? GOOD RIDDANCE.


Yeah, people act like he's a changed man or something. Dude was still a dick recently and is only apologetic because he got caught. He claims that people people bait him in chat, but in reality he's the one calling them "fucking retarded" and other obscene things. I appreciate Rotti for this interview, but PureLegacy is totally playing the victim card. I am glad he's gone. Maybe now that he has nothing to play for he'll go annoy people in other games.
Tayar
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1439 Posts
June 11 2019 22:00 GMT
#129
If blizzard said "recently" they don't mean 4 years ago guys, christ
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
June 11 2019 22:34 GMT
#130
On June 11 2019 20:59 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2019 05:15 TaKeTV wrote:
My only issue with the ban is that he was allowed to participate. If the rule is that you have to be in good standing by WCS standards and a flagged account for hacking - no matter how long it has been - is ruled out, that is harsh but fine by me. Giving him the chance to play and ban him after seems unreasonable.

Personally I feel the 'flagged once - banned forever' is fine but I don't want people to have 2nd chances in a competetive world where they cheated.


Even in normal sports, people are allowed back in after a year or two. One of the most popular examples is Maria Sharapova after she got caught doping was allowed to play WTA again. And don't get me started on cyclists... Sad but true


Yea it's pretty funny that the SC2 video game community is way harsher on cheaters than the huge worldwide popular leagues that are much more serious and have a lot more at stake. UFC is another example where cheaters get caught taking steroids/PEDs and are allowed back in just a couple years. And there people can get seriously hurt because their opponent is using illegal substances to get an advantage unlike SC2. If the SC2 community ran the UFC those guys would never be able to fight again in their life lol.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25047 Posts
June 11 2019 22:42 GMT
#131
On June 12 2019 07:34 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2019 20:59 Harris1st wrote:
On June 09 2019 05:15 TaKeTV wrote:
My only issue with the ban is that he was allowed to participate. If the rule is that you have to be in good standing by WCS standards and a flagged account for hacking - no matter how long it has been - is ruled out, that is harsh but fine by me. Giving him the chance to play and ban him after seems unreasonable.

Personally I feel the 'flagged once - banned forever' is fine but I don't want people to have 2nd chances in a competetive world where they cheated.


Even in normal sports, people are allowed back in after a year or two. One of the most popular examples is Maria Sharapova after she got caught doping was allowed to play WTA again. And don't get me started on cyclists... Sad but true


Yea it's pretty funny that the SC2 video game community is way harsher on cheaters than the huge worldwide popular leagues that are much more serious and have a lot more at stake. UFC is another example where cheaters get caught taking steroids/PEDs and are allowed back in just a couple years. And there people can get seriously hurt because their opponent is using illegal substances to get an advantage unlike SC2. If the SC2 community ran the UFC those guys would never be able to fight again in their life lol.

Also the dude literally got caught hacking a second time anyway, so it’s not even that we don’t give a second chance and just lifetime ban folks for first offences (outside of matchfixing)

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ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
June 12 2019 18:32 GMT
#132
On June 12 2019 07:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2019 07:34 NinjaNight wrote:
On June 11 2019 20:59 Harris1st wrote:
On June 09 2019 05:15 TaKeTV wrote:
My only issue with the ban is that he was allowed to participate. If the rule is that you have to be in good standing by WCS standards and a flagged account for hacking - no matter how long it has been - is ruled out, that is harsh but fine by me. Giving him the chance to play and ban him after seems unreasonable.

Personally I feel the 'flagged once - banned forever' is fine but I don't want people to have 2nd chances in a competetive world where they cheated.


Even in normal sports, people are allowed back in after a year or two. One of the most popular examples is Maria Sharapova after she got caught doping was allowed to play WTA again. And don't get me started on cyclists... Sad but true


Yea it's pretty funny that the SC2 video game community is way harsher on cheaters than the huge worldwide popular leagues that are much more serious and have a lot more at stake. UFC is another example where cheaters get caught taking steroids/PEDs and are allowed back in just a couple years. And there people can get seriously hurt because their opponent is using illegal substances to get an advantage unlike SC2. If the SC2 community ran the UFC those guys would never be able to fight again in their life lol.

Also the dude literally got caught hacking a second time anyway, so it’s not even that we don’t give a second chance and just lifetime ban folks for first offences (outside of matchfixing)




When his account got permabanned he started using his alt to ladder with. Took about 30 games to get top 16 gm mmr. I was looking through his 2v2 match history and discovered that he was using both that alt, and his main to win trade during 2v2 matches.

He probably does the same thing in 1v1 which is why he spams so many games and leaves league as often as he does.
Joneleth
Profile Joined July 2012
Denmark90 Posts
June 12 2019 23:46 GMT
#133
Its hard to take him seriously when his cheating days are clearly not behind him. I've just found one player he boosted to GM 3 days ago: battlenet:://starcraft/profile/1/12788380186013859840

I know the person of this account and she is only diamond/low masters. She has a grand total of 3 1v1 games as zerg, all 3 is vs Purelegacy, all of them lasted 7 seconds, all of them she won which got her into GM again.

When someone has been hacking in the past and is doing other illegal things such as boosting accounts to GM in the present. How can you take it serious when they claim to have been reformed?
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UtherTruthBringer
Profile Joined June 2019
43 Posts
June 13 2019 02:31 GMT
#134
A lot of guys will boost accounts for money. Apparently GM meant a lot to that female. She paid him most likely
MrFreeman
Profile Joined January 2015
207 Posts
June 14 2019 12:35 GMT
#135
I don't understand why this community defends hackers so much. There is a thread for high profile hackers and PureLegacy is a frequent feature there.
Hacking pretty much killed Apex Legends, the game that was poised to fight Fortnite for #1 spot, it can cause crazy damages, don't support it guys, please.
Gen.Rolly
Profile Joined September 2011
United States200 Posts
June 17 2019 03:21 GMT
#136
If we're honest with ourselves, we've all probably done or said some messed up stuff on Bnet. Competitive games like StarCraft bring out both the best and worst. Regrettably, I've cursed people out, used every kind of derogatory slur, spammed personal chats, made veiled (empty) threats on players that angered me, and even unfriended a brother.

I think the punishment should fit the crime. PureLegacy's prior actions have no doubt hurt the community, but if in fact he is a legit 1v1 player, removing him from the competitive community actually hurts the scene. I think a more reasonable action on Blizzard's behalf would be to place a monetary fine on players that have behaved badly but are otherwise legit players (not saying PureLegacy is), who have truly repented and want to do right by the community and remain part of it.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-17 09:48:06
June 17 2019 09:47 GMT
#137
On June 17 2019 12:21 Gen.Rolly wrote:

I think the punishment should fit the crime. PureLegacy's prior actions have no doubt hurt the community, but if in fact he is a legit 1v1 player, removing him from the competitive community actually hurts the scene. I think a more reasonable action on Blizzard's behalf would be to place a monetary fine on players that have behaved badly but are otherwise legit players (not saying PureLegacy is), who have truly repented and want to do right by the community and remain part of it.


if ur not gonna read the thread, or even the OP, don't post.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
June 17 2019 10:11 GMT
#138
On June 14 2019 21:35 MrFreeman wrote:
I don't understand why this community defends hackers so much. There is a thread for high profile hackers and PureLegacy is a frequent feature there.
Hacking pretty much killed Apex Legends, the game that was poised to fight Fortnite for #1 spot, it can cause crazy damages, don't support it guys, please.

Nobody's defending cheating per se, what were you reading?
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DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
June 17 2019 13:18 GMT
#139
On June 17 2019 12:21 Gen.Rolly wrote:
If we're honest with ourselves, we've all probably done or said some messed up stuff on Bnet. Competitive games like StarCraft bring out both the best and worst. Regrettably, I've cursed people out, used every kind of derogatory slur, spammed personal chats, made veiled (empty) threats on players that angered me, and even unfriended a brother.

I think the punishment should fit the crime. PureLegacy's prior actions have no doubt hurt the community, but if in fact he is a legit 1v1 player, removing him from the competitive community actually hurts the scene. I think a more reasonable action on Blizzard's behalf would be to place a monetary fine on players that have behaved badly but are otherwise legit players (not saying PureLegacy is), who have truly repented and want to do right by the community and remain part of it.

I have done none of these things, what the hell?!
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9612 Posts
June 17 2019 13:28 GMT
#140
On June 17 2019 22:18 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2019 12:21 Gen.Rolly wrote:
If we're honest with ourselves, we've all probably done or said some messed up stuff on Bnet. Competitive games like StarCraft bring out both the best and worst. Regrettably, I've cursed people out, used every kind of derogatory slur, spammed personal chats, made veiled (empty) threats on players that angered me, and even unfriended a brother.

I think the punishment should fit the crime. PureLegacy's prior actions have no doubt hurt the community, but if in fact he is a legit 1v1 player, removing him from the competitive community actually hurts the scene. I think a more reasonable action on Blizzard's behalf would be to place a monetary fine on players that have behaved badly but are otherwise legit players (not saying PureLegacy is), who have truly repented and want to do right by the community and remain part of it.

I have done none of these things, what the hell?!

I was thinking the same.
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