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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On December 07 2016 02:38 BisuDagger wrote: Happy Birthday! ^ "I promise to give it a lot of effort." + Show Spoiler [ASL Spoiler] + - Good thing he didn't give it effort or he would have lost in the ro24 Just so we wish you a happy birthday too? :D Well, happy birthday! | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
Seriously, like holy shit Also happy birthday to penev and bd | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 07 2016 03:11 bduddy wrote: Blizzard wanted to have their cake and eat it too - they wanted a big eSport game, without investing big amounts of money (LoL) or putting in the work to integrate tournaments with the community (DoTA 2). When they realized it wouldn't work, they quit. Simple as that. You know I'm pretty sure it's not anywhere close to as simple as that. | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On December 07 2016 02:38 BisuDagger wrote: Happy Birthday! ^ "I promise to give it a lot of effort." + Show Spoiler [ASL Spoiler] + - Good thing he didn't give it effort or he would have lost in the ro24 Happy birthday to you! On topic : this is a very beautiful interview which makes me look as favourably on Stork as bad on Blizzard... | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
I like teamleague but it does not seem to be the most cost-effective format in the mind of Blizzard esport team and Kespa Well at least we still have NSL for now in China | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote: I am even more hyped for the WCS announcement. It will probably be very interesting to see how they explain that the game is more alive with even less tournaments than before :D Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all. In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game. Since the beginning of SC2, I always thought that the real winners of the scene were the casters, they dont have to put great amount of time to make all those wrong calls, and they get the money whatever happens in the tournament, besides how hard is to yell and hype fake things from the games?. | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
Blizzard only cares about supporting the E-sports scene as long as it supports game sales. SC2 has already sold the game to the people who would buy it, but now they see Overwatch as their new cash cow. Not only do you pay for the game, but people spend money on mini-transactions in the game to unlock items and what not. They can abandon SC2 now to promote their new game, and this cycle will continue and overwatch will be replaced in the future. Blizzard purposely did their best to kill of BW, succeeded, and now doing the exact same thing to SC2. You can just imagine that the next game they produce, we will see Overwatch abandoned. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9439 Posts
Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all. Source of lying? | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
and after a certain point, it's not profitable anymore for anyone involved. would you do work for free? | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On December 07 2016 03:50 palexhur wrote: Since the beginning of SC2, I always thought that the real winners of the scene were the casters, they dont have to put great amount of time to make all those wrong calls, and they get the money whatever happens in the tournament, besides how hard is to yell and hype fake things from the games?. incredibly ignorant. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18658 Posts
On December 07 2016 03:56 nanaoei wrote: there's no purposeful killing of their games. it's just the nature of gamers to move on and forget. and after a certain point, it's not profitable anymore for anyone involved. would you do work for free? Millions of people work for free. For example, here in Austria our health care system is carried by people working for free. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On December 07 2016 00:50 FireCake wrote: The problem is what Kim Phan said : "We’ve been working with organizers in Korea to build more grassroots tournaments and to help growing that talent" (You can read it here : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/505248-kim-phan-we-are-trying-to-make-sure-we-are-doing-whats-best-for-starcraft) What Apollo said : "I think the Korean scene is healthy as fuck and will continue to be" (you can read it here : http://imgur.com/5kdlK4i) They both said that at the beginning of the WCS 2016. Now Stork is showing us how Blizzard didn't give a shit about korea. How exactly ? With one sentence taken out of context and with no backstory at all ? Is talking nonsense your new career ? | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
incredibly ignorant. | ||
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BaronVonOwn
299 Posts
SC2 was just a flawed product and the average gamer did not enjoy the game like they once enjoyed BW. SC2 ceased to be relevant to the average gamer somewhere back in 2012 and both expansions utterly and totally failed to address their problems with the game. I think it took a lot of arrogance for the designers to think they could outdo the Brood War formula, and this is what happens. In 2016, BW is more popular than SC2. Why is that? Is Blizzard pumping money into the BW esports scene? I don't think so. | ||
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alexanderzero
United States659 Posts
On December 07 2016 04:52 BaronVonOwn wrote: Casters and pro players are victims of this epic implosion, not perpetrators. There's no point in attacking them. And Blizzard put up plenty of money into SC2 prize pools and there was a thriving tournament scene outside WCS too. As the top esport for a time, a status granted to it by BW's legacy, SC2 had plenty of marketing exposure so that was not the issue either. SC2 was just a flawed product and the average gamer did not enjoy the game like they once enjoyed BW. SC2 ceased to be relevant to the average gamer somewhere back in 2012 and both expansions utterly and totally failed to address their problems with the game. I think it took a lot of arrogance for the designers to think they could outdo the Brood War formula, and this is what happens. In 2016, BW is more popular than SC2. Why is that? Is Blizzard pumping money into the BW esports scene? I don't think so. Brood War never reached a fraction of SC2's popularity outside of Korea. Let's be real for a minute. The majority of gamers will never choose to play difficult RTS games, no matter how they're designed. The circumstances that lead to Brood War's popularity in Korea were special. Today there are so many more accessible, but competitive games for people to play. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
Now i can say for sure last patch was just a strategy to bring some people back to SC2 and sell their skins and packs. Making the game better is just a cheap excuse. | ||
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Superbanana
2369 Posts
Nothing lasts forever, while (some) criticism on the game design and management are fair, SC2 still lasted for quite a while. Its not even dead yet, just a little past expiration date. They actually cared a lot for quite long. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9439 Posts
On December 07 2016 03:59 Pr0wler wrote: How exactly ? With one sentence taken out of context and with no backstory at all ? Is talking nonsense your new career ? Regardless of whether its lying (as in ignoring the obvious) or just being a bad predictor, this does indicates that Apollo's judgement is very poor. That said, associating Apollo with a matchfixer is a pretty despictable act by Firecake. | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada949 Posts
On December 07 2016 05:04 alexanderzero wrote: Brood War never reached a fraction of SC2's popularity outside of Korea. Let's be real for a minute. The majority of gamers will never choose to play difficult RTS games, no matter how they're designed. The circumstances that lead to Brood War's popularity in Korea were special. Today there are so many more accessible, but competitive games for people to play. What the fuck are you talking about dude, Brood war sold like 10 million copies. Not to mention the amount it was pirated in some manner. No there was no twitch TV back then but it was still super popular. | ||
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