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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3304 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 16:24:08
December 06 2016 16:23 GMT
#41
This is not surprising. Still sad, though. There is/was only so much time, resources, and money they could dump into SC2.
T P Z sagi
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 06 2016 16:34 GMT
#42
What's all this Blizzard Korea vs "real" Blizzard? Blizzard Korea does what Blizzard HQ wants; it's not some sort of rogue org. If you're gonna hate on Blizz then hate on the decision makers, not the employs that carry out the orders.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
CrayonSc2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States267 Posts
December 06 2016 16:37 GMT
#43
The kid (life) got 2 years for a video game. Meanwhile i got friends that did assault with a deadly weapon, petite larceny, and even drug dealing go in for less.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 16:44:05
December 06 2016 16:41 GMT
#44
On December 07 2016 01:37 CrayonSc2 wrote:
The kid (life) got 2 years for a video game. Meanwhile i got friends that did assault with a deadly weapon, petite larceny, and even drug dealing go in for less.

Life doesn't have to serve jail time unless he commits another crime in the next 2 1/2 years. I'm pretty sure people who assault other people don't get conditions like that.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
CrayonSc2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States267 Posts
December 06 2016 16:43 GMT
#45
On December 07 2016 01:41 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 01:37 CrayonSc2 wrote:
The kid (life) got 2 years for a video game. Meanwhile i got friends that did assault with a deadly weapon, petite larceny, and even drug dealing go in for less.

Life doesn't have to serve jail time unless he commits another crime in the next 2 1/2 years.


So he is on probation? Not jail. Thats more reasonable.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
December 06 2016 16:45 GMT
#46
On December 07 2016 01:43 CrayonSc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 01:41 Elentos wrote:
On December 07 2016 01:37 CrayonSc2 wrote:
The kid (life) got 2 years for a video game. Meanwhile i got friends that did assault with a deadly weapon, petite larceny, and even drug dealing go in for less.

Life doesn't have to serve jail time unless he commits another crime in the next 2 1/2 years.


So he is on probation? Not jail. Thats more reasonable.

Yeah his sentence was 18 months jail time but suspended for 3 years meaning he's on probation. Which does seem more reasonable than serving the entire sentence plus the time he wasn't free while they were investigating.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
BaronVonOwn
Profile Joined April 2011
299 Posts
December 06 2016 16:47 GMT
#47
I don't think it's fair to say Blizzard doesn't care about Starcraft. They care, the problem is they have no idea what to do. The LOTV release changes looked desperate, and every balance update after that has been grasping at straws. The entire multiplayer gameplay structure is fundamentally compromised.

Is it any surprise that the most successful part of LOTV has been co-op mode? It's based on a completely different gameplay dynamic, free from the enormous pile of mistakes that the multiplayer design team made. I don't blame them for wanting to move on, and I'm hoping that includes Brood War HD soon. It's sad to see the entire Starcraft community get suffocated like this. SC2 was propped up for a long time by the in-built SC1 fanbase but that's not going to be around forever.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 16:48:26
December 06 2016 16:48 GMT
#48
I've said for a while (half-jokingly) that Blizzard is sabotaging SC2 to make people go and play their other games that can actually earn them money. Looks like that wasn't too far from the truth
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 06 2016 16:49 GMT
#49
You would only be surprised if you believed in the rhetoric about Korean SC2 being healthy as fuck.
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Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
December 06 2016 16:49 GMT
#50
Good job, Blizzard. Good job indeed.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4243 Posts
December 06 2016 16:50 GMT
#51
On December 07 2016 01:34 Sapphire.lux wrote:
What's all this Blizzard Korea vs "real" Blizzard? Blizzard Korea does what Blizzard HQ wants; it's not some sort of rogue org. If you're gonna hate on Blizz then hate on the decision makers, not the employs that carry out the orders.

They'll do what the HQ wants but that doesnt seem they dont have any discretion. We've seen last year oov was tlaking about Blizzard KR employees shitalking SC2, that's something that would probably never happen in Blizzard proper.

On December 07 2016 00:50 FireCake wrote:
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On December 07 2016 00:37 horrypotter wrote:
Investing OW is at least 10 times more worth than investing dying fullprice RTS game. I don't know what is the problem.


The problem is what Kim Phan said : "We’ve been working with organizers in Korea to build more grassroots tournaments and to help growing that talent"
(You can read it here : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/505248-kim-phan-we-are-trying-to-make-sure-we-are-doing-whats-best-for-starcraft)

What Apollo said : "I think the Korean scene is healthy as fuck and will continue to be"
(you can read it here : http://imgur.com/5kdlK4i)

They both said that at the beginning of the WCS 2016.

Now Stork is showing us how Blizzard didn't give a shit about korea.


I don't think not giving a shit about Proleague and not giving a shit about Korea are two completely different things. They can't subsidize everything and anything under the sun when they already subsidize millions of dollars a year into SC2.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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AlexGPunkt
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany258 Posts
December 06 2016 16:50 GMT
#52
SAd to see the decisionmaking of KESPA and Blizz on that.

Still think SC2 will prevail. BW also did, because fans did a lot.

SC2 needs to do the same. Dont care about haters. If you think the game is dead, just walk away. Nobody needs you!

To compare the decision of letting Proleauge die to a criminal action(LIfe) is just stupid. Laws were broken, Life earned a shitton of money and called himself a pro. Now he has to live with the consequences of his actions.
--> Funny that a failed progamer(firecake) seems to have the need to convince others the game is dead. Maybe because he needs to feel that his decision was the right one.

I`m sure SC2 has its problems and a decline might be obvious, its still a really great game. I think its far more important to search for solutions than to play the blame game.

I will support all the streamers and weekly cups as good as I can. There are a lot of Tournaments and I enjoy taht all the monster Koreans play in them now. I like this part of PL dying.

Best of luck to Stork!!!!

Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
December 06 2016 16:52 GMT
#53
I'm waiting on Apollo' take on this
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 17:00:13
December 06 2016 16:56 GMT
#54
On December 07 2016 01:34 Sapphire.lux wrote:
What's all this Blizzard Korea vs "real" Blizzard? Blizzard Korea does what Blizzard HQ wants; it's not some sort of rogue org. If you're gonna hate on Blizz then hate on the decision makers, not the employs that carry out the orders.

dunno man

Some cultures like the Korean culture are usually very quick to try to find a scapegoat to take responsibility for stuff. I honestly think Blizzard KR didn't care too much anymore and negative nancied more than I believe that the actual devs who made the game wanted it to stop.

Sad anyhow, but yea. Bring on OW or BW.

On December 07 2016 01:06 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 00:55 207aicila wrote:
On December 07 2016 00:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
Everything I hear about Blizzard Korea makes me like that branch less and less. Maybe they did lose a bunch of good talent to Riot back in the day. Maybe they are just out of touch. I wonder if things would've been different if Mike Morhaime had been in the room since that guy seems do actually care about Starcraft.


Morhaime's such a great dude, I shudder to think how much worse things would be if it weren't for his passion for the game.

His passion is what's keeping the game afloat through Blizzard's direct support. Any other company would've abandoned ship earlier under these conditions. I even heard that he regretted sinking the BW pro scene and how they handled the entire switch.


Exactly, it's at the very least not Morhaime beheading the game. Every time he talks about his games it's like a dad boasting about his son's football play.
The Bomber boy
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
December 06 2016 17:11 GMT
#55
"They weren’t even that well informed on the match fixing scandal."
Are you fucking kidding me.
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
RaymondFish
Profile Joined July 2012
United States42 Posts
December 06 2016 17:17 GMT
#56
On December 06 2016 23:17 digmouse wrote:
This is infuriating...


My sentiments exactly.
RaymondFish
Profile Joined July 2012
United States42 Posts
December 06 2016 17:34 GMT
#57
On December 07 2016 01:52 Noonius wrote:
I'm waiting on Apollo' take on this


Now living in LA on ESLs teet, he couldn't care less.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 06 2016 17:35 GMT
#58
On December 07 2016 01:56 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 01:34 Sapphire.lux wrote:
What's all this Blizzard Korea vs "real" Blizzard? Blizzard Korea does what Blizzard HQ wants; it's not some sort of rogue org. If you're gonna hate on Blizz then hate on the decision makers, not the employs that carry out the orders.

dunno man

Some cultures like the Korean culture are usually very quick to try to find a scapegoat to take responsibility for stuff. I honestly think Blizzard KR didn't care too much anymore and negative nancied more than I believe that the actual devs who made the game wanted it to stop.

Sad anyhow, but yea. Bring on OW or BW.

Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 01:06 eviltomahawk wrote:
On December 07 2016 00:55 207aicila wrote:
On December 07 2016 00:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
Everything I hear about Blizzard Korea makes me like that branch less and less. Maybe they did lose a bunch of good talent to Riot back in the day. Maybe they are just out of touch. I wonder if things would've been different if Mike Morhaime had been in the room since that guy seems do actually care about Starcraft.


Morhaime's such a great dude, I shudder to think how much worse things would be if it weren't for his passion for the game.

His passion is what's keeping the game afloat through Blizzard's direct support. Any other company would've abandoned ship earlier under these conditions. I even heard that he regretted sinking the BW pro scene and how they handled the entire switch.


Exactly, it's at the very least not Morhaime beheading the game. Every time he talks about his games it's like a dad boasting about his son's football play.

There is Activision to consider here. That alone explains a lot of things blizz did in regards to many of its games.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19391 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 17:38:21
December 06 2016 17:38 GMT
#59
On December 06 2016 23:29 Penev wrote:
If true then disappointing is quite the understatement

Happy Birthday! ^


"I promise to give it a lot of effort." + Show Spoiler [ASL Spoiler] +
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lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
392 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 18:02:40
December 06 2016 18:02 GMT
#60
I dunno what makes me more sad, the interview or some of the comments.

Off to watch Wardi's league. Gotta watch what ya can get.
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