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The Last Hierarch: Stork on SPL and BW return

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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 21:59:34
December 06 2016 14:04 GMT
#1
The Last Hierarch: Stork on Proleague's death and his return to BW
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https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/555


'The end came about in a meeting between all Proleague coaches and people from Blizzard. We all went into that room with desperation, determination, to keep Proleague alive. But it was evident Blizzard didn’t care very much. They weren’t even that well informed on the match fixing scandal.

We thought the meeting was to come up with solutions to prevent future matchfixing. To come up with action plans to overcome and recover from this huge blow. The feeling was not mutual. Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived. I was disheartened, heartbroken. But I could understand their position.'

I thought this part of the interview was disappointing . There was news in the past of Blizzard Korea being dismissive of SC2, seems nothing changed.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 14:09:51
December 06 2016 14:08 GMT
#2
Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived.

If this is true, then I have no words for Blizzard.
Guess they really wanted to push Overwatch and didn't care about killing off korean SC2 for it?

In any case, enjoyed reading about Stork. Hope that all players that lost their teams and homes will find something that makes them happy.
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 14:10:06
December 06 2016 14:09 GMT
#3
On December 06 2016 23:04 Ansibled wrote:

'Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived. I was disheartened, heartbroken.


...this is so fuckin' sad...
ModeratorSC2 LP Admin - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
December 06 2016 14:17 GMT
#4
This is infuriating...
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 06 2016 14:18 GMT
#5
The wierdest thing is that they didn't bother telling the players the purpose of the meeting.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
December 06 2016 14:24 GMT
#6
Stork going in dry
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
December 06 2016 14:29 GMT
#7
If true then disappointing is quite the understatement
I Protoss winner, could it be?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18730 Posts
December 06 2016 14:30 GMT
#8
and to think how many people got warned or banned on TL because they were speaking the things Stork actually confirmed for us now heh
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
December 06 2016 14:32 GMT
#9
On December 06 2016 23:30 sharkie wrote:
and to think how many people got warned or banned on TL because they were speaking the things Stork actually confirmed for us now heh

They were not speaking, they were gossiping
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 06 2016 14:42 GMT
#10
That's a really good interview.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
gab12
Profile Joined June 2016
Poland147 Posts
December 06 2016 14:48 GMT
#11
jesus thats depressing
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 06 2016 14:49 GMT
#12
On an emotional level this is incredible.

On a rational level, they did the same with BW in Korea if i remember correctly; they push their new shiny toy. Then it was SC2 instead of BW, now Overwatch instead of SC2.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 06 2016 14:51 GMT
#13
On December 06 2016 23:49 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On an emotional level this is incredible.

On a rational level, they did the same with BW in Korea if i remember correctly; they push their new shiny toy. Then it was SC2 instead of BW, now Overwatch instead of SC2.


Yeah, this is what I just thought about as well. Though with SC2 <-> BW you could at least argue that back then, people honestly thought SC2 can be a worthwhile successor to BW and be an "evolution".

For many, including me, it took quite a while to realize that this is not the case.

Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 14:55:36
December 06 2016 14:55 GMT
#14
Blizzard try to push their new shiny toys and abandoning their previous game? Wow, didn't see that coming.

/s
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Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
December 06 2016 14:55 GMT
#15
Is there a distinction to be made between "Blizzard" and "Blizzard Korea," here? It seems strange that the Blizzard I've come to know would be unmotivated to save Proleague. I mean, they've certainly been trying and putting a lot of money into Starcraft lately, sponsoring most tournaments, haven't they?
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
526 Posts
December 06 2016 15:00 GMT
#16
A while back, I had a slight misunderstanding with the Brood War community. I was trying to criticize two specific groups of BW streamers – those who had been convicted of matchfixing, and those who had become a “stream monkey” ready to humiliate themselves and others nonstop just for the cash grab – but my words were quoted out of context; people thought I was looking down on all BW streamers, something I have never done.

Wasn't that already quite obvious from what he said? Think those people who thought that probably never read his quote.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2661 Posts
December 06 2016 15:07 GMT
#17
On December 06 2016 23:55 Rehio wrote:
Is there a distinction to be made between "Blizzard" and "Blizzard Korea," here? It seems strange that the Blizzard I've come to know would be unmotivated to save Proleague. I mean, they've certainly been trying and putting a lot of money into Starcraft lately, sponsoring most tournaments, haven't they?


Chances are this is only about proleague, proleague cost more money that GSL and SSL and its hard do keep going, they probably just want to end SC2 proleague to make it OW proleague and keep the rest of SC2 tourneys.

A hearthbreaking decision but a rational one, OW can be profitable, SC2 cant.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 15:12:24
December 06 2016 15:11 GMT
#18
Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived.


Man I would fucking love to see what the head-in-the-sand defeners who pretend everything is fine are going to say to this.

Any chance Apollo will ever read this interview or has he also abandoned SC2 to work on other things while lying through his teeth?
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
December 06 2016 15:13 GMT
#19
The thing is KeSPA never managed to make a match fixing free proleague, it plagued the competition very early on.

And it's the main reason for starcraft proleague audience decline (even before the sc2 switch) : all the dubious games slowly but surely made people go to other game.

Having a whole team + the GOAT being caught in 2015 was just the last nail in the coffin.

as for Blizzard, I will wait and see what they do for 2017 to make my opinion (at this stage, they could very well have thought that any effort to keep proleague alive was a waste of money and time)
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 06 2016 15:15 GMT
#20
On December 07 2016 00:11 207aicila wrote:
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Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived.


Man I would fucking love to see what the head-in-the-sand defeners who pretend everything is fine are going to say to this.

Any chance Apollo will ever read this interview or has he also abandoned SC2 to work on other things while lying through his teeth?

Well at the same time it's important to not go to the other extreme, we can still have an enjoyable SC2 scene without proleague as disappointing as its end is. The lack of WCS news is hardly encouraging however.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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