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I'm frustrated reading this section:
But it was evident Blizzard didn’t care very much. They weren’t even that well informed on the match fixing scandal.
I wasn't there, I don't know what happened. I do know for a fact that Blizzard is informed regarding the match fixing scandals, based on first hand accounts discussing with important & relevant people that work at Blizzard, and that they were even working hard on solutions to prevent future issues. The part I heard only through the grapevine was that at this meeting they proposed a lot of solutions to help with match fixing / scandals in general, but that it was KESPA who said, "ya ya who cares but what about Overwatch :^) ?"
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So as far as i understand, this seems to be more a problem with Blizzard Korea rather than the main Blizzard?
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Blizzards acting is not suprising.
SC II binds too many resources without reaching the RoI of something like Cardstone or Overwatch. Especially Korean SC, which is a marked of 40 Million and needs about the same investment then the global market of over 1 Billion potential consumers (WCS). And even tho these consumers also watch korean events partly, they are still likely to watch WCS because of the much better timeslots.
At least the dead esport game meme can now exist on, it is partly official now.
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Investing OW is at least 10 times more worth than investing dying fullprice RTS game. I don't know what is the problem.
At least Blizzard is still supporting SC2. Publshing patch, making new contents, throwing money for small e-sports scene.
We shouldn't expect more. Blizzard is not volunteer organizations.
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On December 06 2016 23:55 Rehio wrote:
Is there a distinction to be made between "Blizzard" and "Blizzard Korea," here? It seems strange that the Blizzard I've come to know would be unmotivated to save Proleague. I mean, they've certainly been trying and putting a lot of money into Starcraft lately, sponsoring most tournaments, haven't they?
That's an important distinction.
Also something I'd have to wonder, is does Blizzard actually invest resources in team based Starcraft leagues? I kinda assumed they only did the individual leagues for SC2 and Proleague had to do their own thing.
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On December 07 2016 00:11 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived. Man I would fucking love to see what the head-in-the-sand defeners who pretend everything is fine are going to say to this. Any chance Apollo will ever read this interview or has he also abandoned SC2 to work on other things while lying through his teeth?
I am even more hyped for the WCS announcement. It will probably be very interesting to see how they explain that the game is more alive with even less tournaments than before :D
Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all.
In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game.
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On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 00:11 207aicila wrote:Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived. Man I would fucking love to see what the head-in-the-sand defeners who pretend everything is fine are going to say to this. Any chance Apollo will ever read this interview or has he also abandoned SC2 to work on other things while lying through his teeth? I am even more hyped for the WCS announcement. It will probably be very interesting to see how they explain that the game is more alive with even less tournaments than before :D Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all. In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game.
Are you suggesting we should all forgive Life or that he didn't deserve it?
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On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:
I am even more hyped for the WCS announcement. It will probably be very interesting to see how they explain that the game is more alive with even less tournaments than before :D
Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all.
Oh they'll find a way to explain it, don't you worry.
It blows my mind dude, how these people show such strong support for poor decisions that are killing the scene with a smile on their face, while having the gall to accuse us, the old timers, of being hateful or not big enough fans or whatever. Like they were literally in diapers when we fell in love with this game, and now that the game is being killed through mismanagement and incompetence, it's our fault for not pretending everything is fine? It's some next level Stockholm Syndrome or something, I don't get it.
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On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 00:11 207aicila wrote:Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived. Man I would fucking love to see what the head-in-the-sand defeners who pretend everything is fine are going to say to this. Any chance Apollo will ever read this interview or has he also abandoned SC2 to work on other things while lying through his teeth? I am even more hyped for the WCS announcement. It will probably be very interesting to see how they explain that the game is more alive with even less tournaments than before :D Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all. In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game.
Life broke Korean law, not some video game rules and was prosecuted by government body, not Blizzard or KeSPA, not sure what you mean
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Everything I hear about Blizzard Korea makes me like that branch less and less. Maybe they did lose a bunch of good talent to Riot back in the day. Maybe they are just out of touch. I wonder if things would've been different if Mike Morhaime had been in the room since that guy seems do actually care about Starcraft.
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On December 07 2016 00:44 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:On December 07 2016 00:11 207aicila wrote:Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived. Man I would fucking love to see what the head-in-the-sand defeners who pretend everything is fine are going to say to this. Any chance Apollo will ever read this interview or has he also abandoned SC2 to work on other things while lying through his teeth? I am even more hyped for the WCS announcement. It will probably be very interesting to see how they explain that the game is more alive with even less tournaments than before :D Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all. In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game. Are you suggesting we should all forgive Life or that he didn't deserve it?
What I am trying to say is they are both (Life and Blizzard) lying to all the starcraft scene (especially the viewers).
But only one (Life) has to pay for what he has done.
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It was a poor choice of words, but it was in answer to people complaining about a lack of Korean tournaments/prize money in 2016 after the region lock, which with proleague/ssl/gsl wasn't really the case.
Apollo should have spoken more carefully, and I certainly don't agree with a lot of what he says but I feel this scapegoating of him is getting stupid.
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On December 07 2016 00:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
Everything I hear about Blizzard Korea makes me like that branch less and less. Maybe they did lose a bunch of good talent to Riot back in the day. Maybe they are just out of touch. I wonder if things would've been different if Mike Morhaime had been in the room since that guy seems do actually care about Starcraft.
Morhaime's such a great dude, I shudder to think how much worse things would be if it weren't for his passion for the game.
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On December 07 2016 00:44 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:On December 07 2016 00:11 207aicila wrote:Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived. Man I would fucking love to see what the head-in-the-sand defeners who pretend everything is fine are going to say to this. Any chance Apollo will ever read this interview or has he also abandoned SC2 to work on other things while lying through his teeth? I am even more hyped for the WCS announcement. It will probably be very interesting to see how they explain that the game is more alive with even less tournaments than before :D Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all. In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game. Are you suggesting we should all forgive Life or that he didn't deserve it?
I don't know about him but I certainly don't think Life deserved more than 6 months punishment at worst.
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On December 07 2016 00:44 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:On December 07 2016 00:11 207aicila wrote:Both KeSPA and Blizzard were looking at alternatives to SC2, not ways it could be revived. Man I would fucking love to see what the head-in-the-sand defeners who pretend everything is fine are going to say to this. Any chance Apollo will ever read this interview or has he also abandoned SC2 to work on other things while lying through his teeth? I am even more hyped for the WCS announcement. It will probably be very interesting to see how they explain that the game is more alive with even less tournaments than before :D Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all. In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game. Are you suggesting we should all forgive Life or that he didn't deserve it?
I don't think he is so much saying that as he is downplaying the supposed immorality or criminality of Life's actions. At the same time, I don't think that that matchfixing case created what was already a declining scene with declining conditions; it merely accelerated the inevitable
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On December 07 2016 00:55 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 00:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
Everything I hear about Blizzard Korea makes me like that branch less and less. Maybe they did lose a bunch of good talent to Riot back in the day. Maybe they are just out of touch. I wonder if things would've been different if Mike Morhaime had been in the room since that guy seems do actually care about Starcraft. Morhaime's such a great dude, I shudder to think how much worse things would be if it weren't for his passion for the game.
His passion is what's keeping the game afloat through Blizzard's direct support. Any other company would've abandoned ship earlier under these conditions. I even heard that he regretted sinking the BW pro scene and how they handled the entire switch.
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This is sad.
However, can someone explain the obsession with match-fixing? I highly doubt that SC2 is dying because of a few cases of match-fixing many years ago. And as for solutions to solving match-fixing, it does not seriously seem that much can be done about it. Are we going to tap their phones?
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On December 07 2016 01:09 paralleluniverse wrote:
This is sad.
However, can someone explain the obsession with match-fixing? I highly doubt that SC2 is dying because of a few cases of match-fixing many years ago. And as for solutions to solving match-fixing, it does not seriously seem much can do done about it. Are we going to tape their phones?
It's dying in big part because of the match fixing that got uncovered at the beginning of this year which killed Prime and got Life charged and banned. Viewers left and sponsors became hesitant because the legitimacy of the games and scene were again thrown into question.
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On December 07 2016 01:09 paralleluniverse wrote:
This is sad.
However, can someone explain the obsession with match-fixing? I highly doubt that SC2 is dying because of a few cases of match-fixing many years ago. And as for solutions to solving match-fixing, it does not seriously seem much can do done about it. Are we going to tape their phones?
Scandal with Life, Bbyong, YoDa and some other Prime members (including the team management) is fairly recent, it was uncovered just over a year ago. Korean scene just didn't seem to be interested in following a game where they weren't sure things are staged or not, but it's just my take on it.
By the way, I'm curious: YoDa won an IEM in Katowice in 2013, did they remove his name from the future trophies?
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