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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16041 Posts
December 06 2016 22:00 GMT
#101
On December 07 2016 06:54 LongShot27 wrote:
I will not say I called it, I will not say I told you so......oh it hurts to keep in....and it hurts more that it's over

why do you visit this website?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 06 2016 22:02 GMT
#102
On December 07 2016 07:00 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 06:54 LongShot27 wrote:
I will not say I called it, I will not say I told you so......oh it hurts to keep in....and it hurts more that it's over

why do you visit this website?


Because I love starcraft
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16041 Posts
December 06 2016 22:08 GMT
#103
On December 07 2016 07:02 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 07:00 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 07 2016 06:54 LongShot27 wrote:
I will not say I called it, I will not say I told you so......oh it hurts to keep in....and it hurts more that it's over

why do you visit this website?


Because I love starcraft

doesn't seem like it from all the "ahahaha your game is dead, accept it and move on" comments.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 06 2016 22:23 GMT
#104
On December 07 2016 07:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 07:02 LongShot27 wrote:
On December 07 2016 07:00 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 07 2016 06:54 LongShot27 wrote:
I will not say I called it, I will not say I told you so......oh it hurts to keep in....and it hurts more that it's over

why do you visit this website?


Because I love starcraft

doesn't seem like it from all the "ahahaha your game is dead, accept it and move on" comments.


Yeah you've definitely never read my posts
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
December 06 2016 22:34 GMT
#105
On December 07 2016 06:44 JackONeill wrote:
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On December 07 2016 06:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Now that content has been added to OW its now a full $60 title.


Absolutely. Fucking. Not.

A multiplayer-only game (that's not some kind of MMO) will never be worth 60$. Usually, multiplayer games range from 20 to 30$, while multi + solo games are worth 60. And yeah sure you've got some 60$ solo games, but that's where you have to be carefull with your money (Skyrim was well worth the money, fallout 4 not so much, especially with the addons bundle BS).
But for instance Killing floor 2 proposes arguably more content than OW and it's 20-25$.

Few years back, i'd have bought any blizzard games with my eyes closed. I did for diablo III, and regretted it a lot. My point is that now you can't trust blizzard to produce "great" game. They'll advertise the shit out of them, but wether they're worth the money is debatable (Diablo III wasn't for sure when it came out, overwatch isn't for sure).

I'd agree on Diablo, but Overwatch seems like its an amazing game. It's really popular, and they're going to keep adding more and more to it. I think games are worth 60 dollars, I've gotten hundreds of hours out of Overwatch and probably thousands of hours with Starcraft multiplayer alone.

On December 07 2016 05:27 Little-Chimp wrote:
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On December 07 2016 05:04 alexanderzero wrote:
On December 07 2016 04:52 BaronVonOwn wrote:
Casters and pro players are victims of this epic implosion, not perpetrators. There's no point in attacking them. And Blizzard put up plenty of money into SC2 prize pools and there was a thriving tournament scene outside WCS too. As the top esport for a time, a status granted to it by BW's legacy, SC2 had plenty of marketing exposure so that was not the issue either.

SC2 was just a flawed product and the average gamer did not enjoy the game like they once enjoyed BW. SC2 ceased to be relevant to the average gamer somewhere back in 2012 and both expansions utterly and totally failed to address their problems with the game. I think it took a lot of arrogance for the designers to think they could outdo the Brood War formula, and this is what happens. In 2016, BW is more popular than SC2. Why is that? Is Blizzard pumping money into the BW esports scene? I don't think so.


Brood War never reached a fraction of SC2's popularity outside of Korea. Let's be real for a minute. The majority of gamers will never choose to play difficult RTS games, no matter how they're designed. The circumstances that lead to Brood War's popularity in Korea were special. Today there are so many more accessible, but competitive games for people to play.


What the fuck are you talking about dude, Brood war sold like 10 million copies. Not to mention the amount it was pirated in some manner.

No there was no twitch TV back then but it was still super popular.


SC1 + BW combined sold 10 million copies. And what he's saying still has standing. Compare BW's popularity in the West to Counterstrike, Quake, and later Warcraft 3 and it didnt reach the same esports popularity as those games, all before Twitch.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
saltis
Profile Joined September 2012
159 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 22:43:26
December 06 2016 22:42 GMT
#106
So the game was design with pro players in mind neglecting casuals. No2 neither pro plays neither casuals enjoys.
Can we say it was nice attempt but in conclusion it FAILED ?
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 06 2016 22:45 GMT
#107
On December 07 2016 07:42 saltis wrote:
So the game was design with pro players in mind neglecting casuals. No2 neither pro plays neither casuals enjoys.
Can we say it was nice attempt but in conclusion it FAILED ?


It was a bad attempt that disconnected from the people who support the game, that's why it failed. The game is fine, they way it was handled was....well it wasn't no man's sky so theres that.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
December 06 2016 22:45 GMT
#108
On December 07 2016 07:42 saltis wrote:
So the game was design with pro players in mind neglecting casuals. No2 neither pro plays neither casuals enjoys.
Can we say it was nice attempt but in conclusion it FAILED ?

No
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 23:02:01
December 06 2016 23:01 GMT
#109
On December 07 2016 07:42 saltis wrote:
So the game was design with pro players in mind neglecting casuals. No2 neither pro plays neither casuals enjoys.
Can we say it was nice attempt but in conclusion it FAILED ?

Well to quote the Stork interview that this thread is supposed to be about

'I still think StarCraft 2 is a fun game, a really fun game, once you begin to understand how it all works. Once you pass a certain threshold. But with the times changing, and the genre itself fading away in popularity, not many gave StarCraft 2 the chance it needed.'
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain884 Posts
December 06 2016 23:04 GMT
#110
This is a tremendous interview. Congratulations to the media and my utmost respect to Stork.

Still a bit emotional, here are my thoughts:
- Stork confirms that Proleague's death was primarly caused by Life and its match-fixing scandal. It was his main concern when speaking to Blizzard/Kespa. This is no surprise for me, but many other still believe "LotV is too fast/hard/boring/imba/expensive" is the main reason... please re-read the interview if this is still your opinion.
- Blizzard... WTF?? I eagerly await an statement about this, it is dissapointing to say the least. How can you care and not care about your game at the same time??

And @admins please, this thread should be highlighted.
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
December 06 2016 23:11 GMT
#111
Holy hell how many ppl need to realize Blizzard =/= Blizzard Korea... -_-
twitch.tv/pharaphobia
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 06 2016 23:12 GMT
#112
On December 07 2016 08:04 Xamo wrote:
This is a tremendous interview. Congratulations to the media and my utmost respect to Stork.

Still a bit emotional, here are my thoughts:
- Stork confirms that Proleague's death was primarly caused by Life and its match-fixing scandal. It was his main concern when speaking to Blizzard/Kespa. This is no surprise for me, but many other still believe "LotV is too fast/hard/boring/imba/expensive" is the main reason... please re-read the interview if this is still your opinion.
- Blizzard... WTF?? I eagerly await an statement about this, it is dissapointing to say the least. How can you care and not care about your game at the same time??

And @admins please, this thread should be highlighted.


I would say the matchfixing scandal sealed the deal. A lot of fans were upset with the way SC was being handled but still felt the game was worth supporting....then we got betrayed by the people who we as fans made into semi-celebrities. LotV isn't the main reason but the expansion was poorly designed and rushed in all facets, the multiplayer, the campaign, everything. As for Blizzard, Disappointing but kind of expected, with the way they were just not listening to people, brushing off starcrafts decline as nothing to worry about and a complete disconnect from the community it wasn't.....surprising to hear they kind of stopped caring.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain884 Posts
December 06 2016 23:21 GMT
#113
On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:

Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all.

In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game.

WHAT... Life is in prision for accepting money to alter the result of a match that had many bets on. Basically he helped to steal money from those who had bet for him, and give it to the criminals that bet against him. Your wording suggests that his fault was not too big, and this is absolutely regrettable.
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
December 06 2016 23:31 GMT
#114
On December 07 2016 08:21 Xamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:

Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all.

In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game.

WHAT... Life is in prision for accepting money to alter the result of a match that had many bets on. Basically he helped to steal money from those who had bet for him, and give it to the criminals that bet against him. Your wording suggests that his fault was not too big, and this is absolutely regrettable.


He's not in prison.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 06 2016 23:40 GMT
#115
On December 07 2016 08:21 Xamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:

Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all.

In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game.

WHAT... Life is in prision for accepting money to alter the result of a match that had many bets on. Basically he helped to steal money from those who had bet for him, and give it to the criminals that bet against him. Your wording suggests that his fault was not too big, and this is absolutely regrettable.


Life isn't in prison, and the point he made is valid.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
December 06 2016 23:41 GMT
#116
On December 07 2016 08:21 Xamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:

Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all.

In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game.

WHAT... Life is in prision for accepting money to alter the result of a match that had many bets on. Basically he helped to steal money from those who had bet for him, and give it to the criminals that bet against him. Your wording suggests that his fault was not too big, and this is absolutely regrettable.

Not to mention that every type of gambling is prohibited in Korea, it was some underground betting
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StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
December 06 2016 23:48 GMT
#117
For the tl:dr guys ^_^
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itsdaniel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Austria334 Posts
December 06 2016 23:52 GMT
#118
what a nice interview... Im still here
OFFICIAL #1 STORK FAN // Stork:"This past week, there's a foreign fan named Daniel who got caught on the camera a few times. He came from Vienna in Austria to come and see me, and he wanted to be mentioned in one of my interviews."
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
December 06 2016 23:54 GMT
#119
On December 07 2016 08:41 aQuaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 08:21 Xamo wrote:
On December 07 2016 00:44 FireCake wrote:

Sadly Apollo and many other personnalities and commentators that lied about the state of Sc2 in order to get money/a jump in their career/more opportunities will never have any problems at all.

In the meantime Life is in prison for throwing 2 games in a video game.

WHAT... Life is in prision for accepting money to alter the result of a match that had many bets on. Basically he helped to steal money from those who had bet for him, and give it to the criminals that bet against him. Your wording suggests that his fault was not too big, and this is absolutely regrettable.

Not to mention that every type of gambling is prohibited in Korea, it was some underground betting


Which is not true; what SK prohibits is private betting.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 07 2016 00:03 GMT
#120
Also in response to the title of the article and the few true SC2 fans that remain even after this traumatic experience:

"My brethren, hear me, for there is little time left. All that remains of our race, our civilization, are those that stand beside you now. Trust in each other. Strike as one will. Let our last stand burn a memory so bright we will be remembered forever. En taro Tassadar!"
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