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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On April 08 2014 07:16 Darkhorse wrote: I've been burned by foreign terran hype trains before. theres a bunch more players who are better than Neeb that didnt make it into Ro8 this Season...so not sure if Neeb can... LiquidHero, AcerScarlett, igJim, EG JAEDONG just to name a few...so its very hard to make it into Ro8 upsets are not common... | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On April 07 2014 18:10 esdf wrote: Talking about the other half of the bracket. Would prefer shitty neverbeen americans to hasbeens. Blizzard really needs to do something with who's allowed and who's not allowed to participate in each region. It's not Blizzard's problem to fix. If the best North America has to offer can't even compete with "has been" Koreans then what the fuck is the point of giving them tickets to Blizzcon? Honestly answer that for me? Other than wanting to just make sure that the Foreigners get a bigger slice of the Prize pool pie that they haven't earned, what is the point of sending them to the higher tournaments only so they can get crushed by the top tier Koreans. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:32 Vindicare605 wrote: It's not Blizzard's problem to fix. If the best North America has to offer can't even compete with "has been" Koreans then what the fuck is the point of giving them tickets to Blizzcon? Honestly answer that for me? Other than wanting to just make sure that the Foreigners get a bigger slice of the Prize pool pie that they haven't earned, what is the point of sending them to the higher tournaments only so they can get crushed by the top tier Koreans. How many NA players are actually making money worth mentioning, via SC 2? If you're not making money, you have to find other avenues. If you're not going to increase the amount of NA players who can devote the time to the game, as you would another job, then how are you supposed to catch up to the Koreans who are already better, when the game is already a viable job to them? WCS AM only hurts NA players' chances of being able to compete at the level of Koreans. We're now relying on talented kids who are still going to school, while facing Koreans who are only tasked with playing SC 2... That's our best bet due to the lack of opportunities Blizzard provides NA players who need something they can call a job. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On April 07 2014 17:54 TT1 wrote: blizzard killed every na-based league so we could have this  NA players killed NA leagues cuz whining is easier than trying hard. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Waise
3165 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:43 playa wrote: How many NA players are actually making money worth mentioning, via SC 2? If you're not making money, you have to find other avenues. If you're not going to increase the amount of NA players who can devote the time to the game, as you would another job, then how are you supposed to catch up to the Koreans who are already better, when the game is already a viable job to them? WCS AM only hurts NA players' chances of being able to compete at the level of Koreans. We're now relying on talented kids who are still going to school, while facing Koreans who are only tasked with playing SC 2... That's our best bet due to the lack of opportunities Blizzard provides NA players who need something they can call a job. that still doesn't refute what he said. it's not blizzard's problem to fix. why do they need to support the NA scene better? if it were profitable, they would already be doing it. can you explain why blizzard owes something specifically to NA players? do you feel that because blizzard employees and executives are from north america, they are somehow morally obliged to help people who are also from north america rather than doing what any business would do? yes, the cultural infrastructure is different here. i get that and i see your point. but if blizzard is doing just fine supporting the system in place, and a profitable majority of viewers is still interested in koreans (i sure am!), where is the impetus you're suggesting exists? because all i'm hearing is still "i want to see NA players, help NA! put money into NA so i can see people from my landmass win!" you put it more eloquently, but logically i don't see how it's any different. if it's hard to succeed as a pro SC2 player in NA, well... tough fucking shit, do something else? sorry, not trying to get BM with you, but we're not talking about being a doctor or a fireman here. it's a video game. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:43 playa wrote: How many NA players are actually making money worth mentioning, via SC 2? If you're not making money, you have to find other avenues. If you're not going to increase the amount of NA players who can devote the time to the game, as you would another job, then how are you supposed to catch up to the Koreans who are already better, when the game is already a viable job to them? WCS AM only hurts NA players' chances of being able to compete at the level of Koreans. We're now relying on talented kids who are still going to school, while facing Koreans who are only tasked with playing SC 2... That's our best bet due to the lack of opportunities Blizzard provides NA players who need something they can call a job. Your reasoning is a problem because you seem to think WCS is supposed to be a Life Support IV for foreign competition in place of actual legitimate competition. NA's problem is that it has no sustainable region locked tournament like Europe does. European pros are doing fine because they have their own battlegrounds that are isolated to compete in whereas NA doesn't. That's not what WCS is for. It never has been. WCS is about crowning a Global Champion. WCS is about creating a Superbowl style title that is supposed to reign above other tournaments. It's supposed to be the end goal, the top of the pyramid. The real problem here is that North America can't develop and sustain for itself its own competition. When NA tournaments do come around no one watches them or complain incessantly about how bad the games are. If the fans like you that want a better NA scene really care about it they'll put their money where their big ass mouths are. Disable adblock, support NA only teams and watch the fucking tournaments that DO come around. Stop whining about it on forums like it's someone else's job to support the players that YOU want to succeed. | ||
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Dwayn
Germany949 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:32 Vindicare605 wrote: Honestly answer that for me? Other than wanting to just make sure that the Foreigners get a bigger slice of the Prize pool pie that they haven't earned, what is the point of sending them to the higher tournaments only so they can get crushed by the top tier Koreans. This. I don't get why people are upset about this. The worst thing possible would be a bunch of walkovers in the final. At least Koreans bring high quality games and if foreigners can't compete on the highest level they don't belong there. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
MLG Anaheim is in 2 months. Watch it. Hype it up. Disable fucking ad block and sit through the ads so that MLG can actually make some money and do another tournament. (OMG PAINFUL) Like their sponsors on social media and write to them about how much you appreciate their support of Starcraft 2. And for the love of god don't talk shit about how bad the players are, stop fucking rioting when players like Bubbles win over your more popular guys with legit fucking strategy. Have some actual fucking support for the guys who play under the Canadian and American flags. Be the fans you all claim to be. | ||
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:18 mikumegurine wrote: theres a bunch more players who are better than Neeb that didnt make it into Ro8 this Season...so not sure if Neeb can... LiquidHero, AcerScarlett, igJim, EG JAEDONG just to name a few...so its very hard to make it into Ro8 upsets are not common... none of those players u mentioned is even half-consistent (hero wins cologne then loses next 10 pvps in a row). wont be surprised if same thing happened again. also jaedong isnt as good if u watching his stream, its like he turned into a different player omg. no more donguuuu or heruuuu | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:51 Vindicare605 wrote: Your reasoning is a problem because you seem to think WCS is supposed to be a Life Support IV for foreign competition in place of actual legitimate competition. NA's problem is that it has no sustainable region locked tournament like Europe does. European pros are doing fine because they have their own battlegrounds that are isolated to compete in whereas NA doesn't. That's not what WCS is for. It never has been. WCS is about crowning a Global Champion. WCS is about creating a Superbowl style title that is supposed to reign above other tournaments. It's supposed to be the end goal, the top of the pyramid. The real problem here is that North America can't develop and sustain for itself its own competition. When NA tournaments do come around no one watches them or complain incessantly about how bad the games are. If the fans like you that want a better NA scene really care about it they'll put their money where their big ass mouths are. Disable adblock, support NA only teams and watch the fucking tournaments that DO come around. Stop whining about it on forums like it's someone else's job to support the players that YOU want to succeed. Couldn't have put it better myself. All I care about is good players being rewarded, so the more Koreans, the better as far as I'm concerned. What a sick RO8 lineup. And a TvT finals is not only possible but probable?! Daaamn. I'm thinking Bomber vs. Polt. Bomber's TvT is great and Taeja's not in the best shape of his career. No idea who wins though. | ||
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yido
United States350 Posts
NA is very console heavy in gaming. Most Americans use apple products these days. There really isn't a big market for computer gaming here... wake up, starting living in reality. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:43 playa wrote: How many NA players are actually making money worth mentioning, via SC 2? If you're not making money, you have to find other avenues. If you're not going to increase the amount of NA players who can devote the time to the game, as you would another job, then how are you supposed to catch up to the Koreans who are already better, when the game is already a viable job to them? WCS AM only hurts NA players' chances of being able to compete at the level of Koreans. We're now relying on talented kids who are still going to school, while facing Koreans who are only tasked with playing SC 2... That's our best bet due to the lack of opportunities Blizzard provides NA players who need something they can call a job. Obviously the exact figures aren't public but I'd be suprised if korean players like Arthur, Oz, Revival, Alicia, Heart or Crank are payed significantly more than a lot of foreigners. But these koreans are still consistently beating foreigner because they are just better players. No amount of money will change that. | ||
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ultra0806
Korea (South)9 Posts
Bomber vs Polt => 4:2 Bomber Win | ||
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ultra0806
Korea (South)9 Posts
Bomber vs Polt => 4:2 Bomber Win | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On April 08 2014 09:51 Vindicare605 wrote: Your reasoning is a problem because you seem to think WCS is supposed to be a Life Support IV for foreign competition in place of actual legitimate competition. NA's problem is that it has no sustainable region locked tournament like Europe does. European pros are doing fine because they have their own battlegrounds that are isolated to compete in whereas NA doesn't. That's not what WCS is for. It never has been. WCS is about crowning a Global Champion. WCS is about creating a Superbowl style title that is supposed to reign above other tournaments. It's supposed to be the end goal, the top of the pyramid. The real problem here is that North America can't develop and sustain for itself its own competition. When NA tournaments do come around no one watches them or complain incessantly about how bad the games are. If the fans like you that want a better NA scene really care about it they'll put their money where their big ass mouths are. Disable adblock, support NA only teams and watch the fucking tournaments that DO come around. Stop whining about it on forums like it's someone else's job to support the players that YOU want to succeed. Lol? Pretty much the only reason I got into SC in 2012 was because WCS was about regional competition. The glory days were when you could watch Huk vs Scarlett and it seemed relevant/important. This whole crowning the world champion thing has NOTHING what-so-ever to do with whether WCS AM, etc are truly region locked or not. It's like saying the best players in the world won't end up getting gold in the Olympics if they allowed some people from the Special Olympics to occupy some spots... I'm not saying it's anyones responsibility. I'm just saying it's silly to shit on NA players or act like you're doing them a favor when you're the sole reason behind creating where we are at now. If you care about the NA scene growing, then you should do things that make sense, when it comes to actually growing the scene. SC 2 has gone nothing but downhill since the changes to WCS. It must be a magical coincidence that the novelty wore off at that precise moment. They have gone from crowning both the best regional player and best player, overall, to having no regional champions and making you wonder whether the WCS KR champion is just as deserving as the winner at the end of the year (if they are different players). Accomplishing 2 things is better than 1. You guys that buy into rhetoric with no substance behind it are also part of the problem. You think MLG would have agreed to be apart of WCS if Koreans weren't allowed? You guys are gullible and silly for not understanding why these regions have become a farce. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On April 08 2014 10:57 Vindicare605 wrote: And nothing Playa said made any sense. Best retort of all time? Since you're such a sensible guy, what should Blizzard do? Keep it exactly the same, since things are prospering so much? Enlighten me. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On April 08 2014 10:59 playa wrote: Best retort of all time? Since you're such a sensible guy, what should Blizzard do? Keep it exactly the same, since things are prospering so much? Enlighten me. This is your argument in a nutshell. 1. Blizzard created this situation. 2. This situation is bad. 3. Blizzard is responsible for fixing this situation. 1. is wrong because, as most people learn in high school, correlation does not mean causation. Your statement of "coincidence?! I think not!!!" is worthless. There are plenty of other factors that have a hand in SC2's decline in popularity, and you do nothing to prove that the one you list is more significant than the rest. 2. is wrong for very obvious reasons. Not everyone shares your opinion. 3. no they aren't. They have no obligation to anyone to do anything. But as long as they're running a world championship series, I do expect them to feel obligated to make it a world championship series. That means anyone who doesn't deserve to be there should be cut long, long before. If that means 100% Koreans, so be it. | ||
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