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On April 09 2014 06:15 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 05:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 09 2014 05:49 BaneRiders wrote:On April 09 2014 05:45 pure.Wasted wrote:On April 09 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:On April 09 2014 02:45 sixfour wrote:On April 09 2014 01:31 boxerfred wrote:On April 08 2014 23:21 gold_ wrote:On April 08 2014 20:26 NarutO wrote:On April 08 2014 20:25 gold_ wrote:
Viewer base will continue to drop due to no home town heros to cheer for. I am not bashing the koreans at all, but WCS America should've been at least people LIVING in any part of the Americas only. I personally have stopped watching, Koreans have their own WCS FFS. Polt 1/8 then that actually live in the Americas? :/ Noone would watch if WCS NA was actually NA only. Except Totalbiscuit I'd be an undefined amount more likely to watch it than I am at the moment I would watch an all WCS AM tournament. This is at least the second time someone in this thread comes with this weird idea that no one would watch an all AM tournament (although boxerfred confused NA with AM). I wonder why people is trying to tell me that I wouldn't watch something that I would watch. And yes, I'm not going to watch the WCS AM Bo8 season 1, because honestly I don't care who wins it.  If you're not interested in Taeja/Bomber/Polt, then you're not going to be very interested in world finals regardless of what WCS AM looks like (because even if only American talent gets through, they all get stomped in the first round and you tune out after that). Do you understand what that means? Blizzard has nothing at all to gain by appealing to you. Unless you think that changing WCS AM will magically make local players able to compete on a global level within 1-2 seasons (and it won't), they'll be sabotaging world finals AND they won't gain you as a viewer for the most important event anyway! No, you miss the point. Blizzard has everything to gain by appealing to me. You will watch Bomber if he plays in Korea or AM. I will not. You will always watch, my watching comes with a condition. World finals will always be there for you my friend, no need to worry about it so much. No I'm going to take a different approach. If you're the kind of fan that says he is a fan but checks out the moment the white guys are eliminated then no, Blizzard DOESN'T gain anything by appealing to you. Anything of value anyway. There are fans and then there are quality fans. Appealing to fans by showcasing the quality of the game has a far longer term appeal than appealing to fans because hey this guy that's playing is someone you can relate to. Remember that Blizzard's ultimate motivation is to give exposure to their game. If your whole argument is that you care more about who is playing the game than the game itself, then you aren't the kind of fans that Blizzard has any real use for in the first place. Yes I agree with your second point about Blizzards motivation though, Blizzard wants as many fans to their game as they can get (which obviously contradicts your first point). America (all of it) has 900 million potential fans. Korea has 50 million potential fans. Which market do you think is the most valuable to invest in? Wanna conquer the American (all of it) with Bomber, Taeja, Oz and another handful of Koreans? Good luck.
Mistake #1: thinking Blizzard can conquer America. Not gonna happen. If SC2 is slowly dying in pro-PC, pro-discipline Korean culture, there's absolutely zero chance it's going to start growing in America. You're deluding yourself if you think it's possible.
To make this conceivable, Blizzard would have to make SC2 ladder F2P and add in a LOOOOOOOT of rewards to give players an incentive to play... and play... and play. And even that's hardly guaranteed to work.
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On April 09 2014 06:15 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 05:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 09 2014 05:49 BaneRiders wrote:On April 09 2014 05:45 pure.Wasted wrote:On April 09 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:On April 09 2014 02:45 sixfour wrote:On April 09 2014 01:31 boxerfred wrote:On April 08 2014 23:21 gold_ wrote:On April 08 2014 20:26 NarutO wrote:On April 08 2014 20:25 gold_ wrote:
Viewer base will continue to drop due to no home town heros to cheer for. I am not bashing the koreans at all, but WCS America should've been at least people LIVING in any part of the Americas only. I personally have stopped watching, Koreans have their own WCS FFS. Polt 1/8 then that actually live in the Americas? :/ Noone would watch if WCS NA was actually NA only. Except Totalbiscuit I'd be an undefined amount more likely to watch it than I am at the moment I would watch an all WCS AM tournament. This is at least the second time someone in this thread comes with this weird idea that no one would watch an all AM tournament (although boxerfred confused NA with AM). I wonder why people is trying to tell me that I wouldn't watch something that I would watch. And yes, I'm not going to watch the WCS AM Bo8 season 1, because honestly I don't care who wins it. If you're not interested in Taeja/Bomber/Polt, then you're not going to be very interested in world finals regardless of what WCS AM looks like (because even if only American talent gets through, they all get stomped in the first round and you tune out after that). Do you understand what that means? Blizzard has nothing at all to gain by appealing to you. Unless you think that changing WCS AM will magically make local players able to compete on a global level within 1-2 seasons (and it won't), they'll be sabotaging world finals AND they won't gain you as a viewer for the most important event anyway! No, you miss the point. Blizzard has everything to gain by appealing to me. You will watch Bomber if he plays in Korea or AM. I will not. You will always watch, my watching comes with a condition. World finals will always be there for you my friend, no need to worry about it so much. No I'm going to take a different approach. If you're the kind of fan that says he is a fan but checks out the moment the white guys are eliminated then no, Blizzard DOESN'T gain anything by appealing to you. Anything of value anyway. There are fans and then there are quality fans. Appealing to fans by showcasing the quality of the game has a far longer term appeal than appealing to fans because hey this guy that's playing is someone you can relate to. Remember that Blizzard's ultimate motivation is to give exposure to their game. If your whole argument is that you care more about who is playing the game than the game itself, then you aren't the kind of fans that Blizzard has any real use for in the first place. I dare say blizzard has good use of all the fans. Your argument about low value and high value fans is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read here this forum!!  Yes I agree with your second point about Blizzards motivation though, Blizzard wants as many fans to their game as they can get (which obviously contradicts your first point). America (all of it) has 900 million potential fans. Korea has 50 million potential fans. Which market do you think is the most valuable to invest in? Wanna conquer the American (all of it) with Bomber, Taeja, Oz and another handful of Koreans? Good luck. If I want to watch the best Koreans play I can watch WCS KR. If I want to watch the best Europeans play, well there are three in the WCS EU still. I'm very exited about that, but should none of the Europeans make it to the final, then I'm not at all bothered if Stardust or Jjakji or MC wins. For me that doesn't really matter. At least I had fun watching the event all the way from the qualifiers, through the challenger (which was a bit shabby this year, I don't like this format) to the PL. So I'm the kind of fan Blizzard doesn't gain anything from catering to? Yeah right. Gosh. Oh, and by the way, I need to ask a "quality fan" like yourself, what should I watch if I want to see the best Americans play? I bet quality fans know everything about every scene, don't they? Or are quality fans only experts on the very best starcraft has to offer?
I already issued my challenge pages ago.
If you claim to actually care about NA competition then watch MLG Anaheim that's coming up in 2 months.
The problem is with your "theory" is that every NA only tournament in the past two years has had terrible ratings compared to tournaments featuring Koreans or European only tournaments. NA "only" fans don't actually put their time or their money where their mouths are. That's the REAL problem here.
If NA fans actually gave an actual shit about the stuff they said they cared about then it would be possible to actually have a sustainable NA only regional scene. The reason we can't have one is because no one actually cares about it, they just like to bitch and complain about how bad NA players are compared to the competition and wish someone would do something about it.
I've done my time in the trenches. I spent 8-10 months over a 2 year period casting semi-professional Grandmaster level team leagues hosted by two different North American teams both of which are no longer around. First it was the ISTL, then it was the URTL. We struggled to maintain 300 viewers on a GOOD day, despite being featured on TeamLiquid and doing plenty of marketing on Reddit and Twitter. Deimos Teamleague is trying to do the same thing now as is Feardragon's Breaking Out show.
There is content out there, there are people actually TRYING to improve NA. They don't get any support except for a very small devoted crowd of quality fans.
The problem isn't Blizzard's to fix. It's NA's own fan base. Europe is doing just fine despite Korean global domination because their fans actually support their players and their teams. NA's fans don't. That's the truth of it.
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On April 09 2014 00:08 jakethesnake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 23:55 SoFrOsTy wrote:
The only reason I dislike the regional separation, is because horrible players like OZ and Revival are able to get to the quarter finals when they are mediocre ladder players at best. Oz and Revival are mediocre ladder players? OO The two people who took 1st and 2nd at IEM Shanghai not too long ago? You must have really high standards for what constitutes better than 'mediocre'.
aw there's a pinch of salt in there. I honestly don't hold IEM to the same standard as a lot of other tournaments. What constitutes as a major tournament and a premiere tournament varies from person to person. Most of the time it just comes across as jargon to me. I remember when EG signed them and I thought surely they'd help, but I always viewed them as middle of the road guys who would definitely help a team in like lets say PL especially when your roster is thin. They can exceed expectations from time to time. I wouldn't consider them regular contenders though.
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Look at all this great "American" talent we have here for WCS America.
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On April 09 2014 09:34 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 00:08 jakethesnake wrote:On April 08 2014 23:55 SoFrOsTy wrote:
The only reason I dislike the regional separation, is because horrible players like OZ and Revival are able to get to the quarter finals when they are mediocre ladder players at best. Oz and Revival are mediocre ladder players? OO The two people who took 1st and 2nd at IEM Shanghai not too long ago? You must have really high standards for what constitutes better than 'mediocre'. aw there's a pinch of salt in there. I honestly don't hold IEM to the same standard as a lot of other tournaments. What constitutes as a major tournament and a premiere tournament varies from person to person. Most of the time it just comes across as jargon to me. I remember when EG signed them and I thought surely they'd help, but I always viewed them as middle of the road guys who would definitely help a team in like lets say PL especially when your roster is thin. They can exceed expectations from time to time. I wouldn't consider them regular contenders though.
I think it's fair to say something like that when you look at IEM Sao Paolo for instance, but that one in particular had some pretty sick Korean representation and not the worst foreigners either.
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On April 09 2014 06:22 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 06:09 KingKayzz wrote:
@Banerider: Do you realize that you are basically saying that someone native to the NA region deserves to go to college more than an asian kid, whose family came to U.S to make something of themselves, and busts his ass to get good scores on exams? Your logic is flawed as fuck, I'm sorry. If one DESERVES something, then one should get it; race, creed, color, or anything else does NOT FUCKING MATTER.
Dude, I want a chance to see WCS AM with, you know Americans, because that would be fun to watch. You can have your world finals with all Koreans, I'm totally fine with that.
I see 21 americans in WCS NA. What are you talking about? (Not even counting SEA players that don't even have a WCS)
On April 09 2014 10:23 AceOfCakez wrote:
Look at all this great "American" talent we have here for WCS America.
What about it?
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8 of America's best starcraft talents, right here.
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