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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On April 08 2014 03:41 Qwerty85 wrote: Yeah because only Europeans play in EU football clubs... There are minimum quotas for the number of "home" players in EU football clubs. You can't have, say, a team of all Brazilians competing in the Champion's league. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 08 2014 03:50 Fischbacher wrote: There are minimum quotas for the number of "home" players in EU football clubs. You can't have, say, a team of all Brazilians competing in the Champion's league. And when compairing Football with Starcraft EU would be Korea while Na would be USA. And USA does not have all EU player teams. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On April 08 2014 03:50 Fischbacher wrote: There are minimum quotas for the number of "home" players in EU football clubs. You can't have, say, a team of all Brazilians competing in the Champion's league. Still, the 11 that come out are based on skill and current form, not by local patriotism. Europe is strong in football since it is an extremely popular sport here so you will always have good spanish, german or english players playing in spanish, german or english clubs.It is because they are among the best and can compete with the best. Even small country like mine produced a lot of great players who played or still play in biggest clubs. On the other hand, if you would all of a sudden have US version of Champions League and super rich clubs that could afford the best players and if entire football scene shifted to US right now, there would probably be like 1% of Americans and 99% of South Americans and Europeans actually playing... However, as football would become more and more popular (because of the high level play you watch) there would be probably more Americans playing the game as well and eventually you would have Americans that can actually get into top teams and play along with the best players. It is not maybe the best example because football gives you a safer future I would say because even average players can make a great living out of playing the game which is not really the case in SC2 since there is far less money available. Personally I would rather have bracket with Bomber, Taeja, Polt, Hyun etc. than local NA players because those games should be better with best guys playing. That however doesn't mean that WCS should "eat" all other tournaments and stop the development of the local scene. The biggest issue I actually see is that those Koreans who are now in the brackets actually practice on the KR ladder.At least I assume most of them do. If they played NA and made NA GM stronger and more competitive, NA players would probably improve in skill as well. WCS EU is slightly different because most of the Koreans actually now live in EU and can't play KR server because of the lag so overall quality of EU GM has improved by having guys like Jjakji, MC, MMA, ForGG as practice partners. Still not even close to KR GM but much better than before. So the ideal scenario would be if people in EU or NA would watch those amazing Koreans and get motivation to get to that level, of course paired by an infrastructure that would support them in their attempts to reach those levels... | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
And "AM hardest region" is such a confusing statement. Just because you haven't followed long time solid players like soo and Zest since they beat people in BW they're faceless and bad? Grow up and be thankful for the great bracket. This is almost as good as a Code A group.  | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
... just kidding... WCS EU is "almost" as good as WCS AM.... for those of us that do wanna watch the best competition? the best players happen to be all korean top 8 the new WCS 2014 format in which only 2 koreans can come through the qualifiers is kinda late, maybe if this was implements in 2013 Season 2 this might have worked theres just too many good koreans already in the system, and they wont ever lose in the Up and Downs a way to really make the WCS 2014 only 2 korean qualifiers work is if they reset the entire system, everyone must requalify again, which they surely arent going to do | ||
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linkhimura
Argentina231 Posts
these are pretty good players, I don't know who will win, since everything can happen. These guys deserve to be there. | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy831 Posts
On April 07 2014 18:53 riyanme wrote: hahahahaha! What the~ Tourna: WCS America Venue: Europe Players: Korea after all the 'ruckus' of 'kicking out' Koreans in WCS America.... led to all Korean.... Blame american organizers who screwed up the tournament and american players who sucked balls | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 08 2014 02:38 Kergy wrote: But this bracket doesn't have any top 10 players in it. It just looks like a pointless low tier GSL. Really? You don't think Polt, Bomber and Taeja couldn't easily be code S if they were back in Korea? That they're not among the upper-tier of Terrans? | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On April 08 2014 04:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Really? You don't think Polt, Bomber and Taeja couldn't easily be code S if they were back in Korea? That they're not among the upper-tier of Terrans? HINT : He doesn't watch SC2 | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On April 08 2014 04:23 neptunusfisk wrote: Why is this "boo hoo koreans" still a thing? Noone would have enjoyed an AM only "tourney". And "AM hardest region" is such a confusing statement. Just because you haven't followed long time solid players like soo and Zest since they beat people in BW they're faceless and bad? Grow up and be thankful for the great bracket. This is almost as good as a Code A group. I would have enjoyed an AM only tourney. If I want to see an KR only tourney, np, there is at least one I can watch already, and it is called WCS KR. | ||
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Nightwishone
Italy391 Posts
On April 08 2014 04:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Really? You don't think Polt, Bomber and Taeja couldn't easily be code S if they were back in Korea? That they're not among the upper-tier of Terrans? They are easily the best terrans. WCS Korea has only Maru who is comparable in skills. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On April 08 2014 05:03 BaneRiders wrote: I would have enjoyed an AM only tourney. If I want to see an KR only tourney, np, there is at least one I can watch already, and it is called WCS KR. Well it is not like foreigners can't play WCS KR (GSL). They just can't get through the Code B hell..... | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
I wish IdrA was here, he was better than Revival, Arthur and Alicia. | ||
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sigm
192 Posts
On April 08 2014 03:12 TotalBiscuit wrote: Hurrdurr, anything other than glorious proleague masterrace is not worth watching, hurrdurr. Such an obnoxious attitude. You can't deny that the level of play is highest in the GSL out of all the WCS tournaments, and while that does not guarantee exciting games by itself, it is a large part of it. And not everyone has the time or the will to watch every single match out there, so a lot of people focus on the big-name games solely because playstyles and personalities aside, at least they can expect a certain level of play. I'm not saying that lesser known and lesser skilled players cannot play exciting and technically proficient matches, it's just that going with top-of-the-line pros gives a better chance for those few matches that you may only have time for to be worth it. So I'd say it's a perfectly reasonable attitude to have, and that you're simply overreacting and making it sound worse than it is. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
the bottom line is that people want a magical world where if you force enough americans into a tournament they'll start beating koreans. or they want an all-american tournament, but then somehow when all-american tournaments happen outside of WCS no one watches and the production is shitty because everyone knows no one is going to watch so why would they put money into that? i can't believe this same exact conversation is still happening every single time On April 08 2014 05:14 sigm wrote: You can't deny that the level of play is highest in the GSL out of all the WCS tournaments, and while that does not guarantee exciting games by itself, it is a large part of it. And not everyone has the time or the will to watch every single match out there, so a lot of people focus on the big-name games solely because playstyles and personalities aside, at least they can expect a certain level of play. I'm not saying that lesser known and lesser skilled players cannot play exciting and technically proficient matches, it's just that going with top-of-the-line pros gives a better chance for those few matches that you may only have time for to be worth it. So I'd say it's a perfectly reasonable attitude to have, and that you're simply overreacting and making it sound worse than it is. some people like to throw stones in glass houses | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On April 08 2014 05:08 Qwerty85 wrote: Well it is not like foreigners can't play WCS KR (GSL). They just can't get through the Code B hell..... How is that related to enjoying to see an AM only tournament?  | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 08 2014 05:08 Mensol wrote: what a surprise. I wish IdrA was here, he was better than Revival, Arthur and Alicia. At his peak, perhaps, but both Revival and Alicia have had comparable highs. | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
OP Please update <3 | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On April 08 2014 05:27 Zealously wrote: How come so few people watched Shoutcraft? I mean, surely American-only competition should at least break 40k viewers given that so many people are adamant that it's what the scene needs, right? At his peak, perhaps, but both Revival and Alicia have had comparable highs. Because the people who are actually serious about that (and the dead gaem meme) don't actually watch Starcraft. | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
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