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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote: What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah... Yeah, well, with that mindset you are not going anywhere. After all it is not like it is easier for Koreans without teams to get that good, it is probably even harder. They have more pressure from their parents and more pressure from school. They have even fewer tournaments (outside from WCS where they don't qualify anyway unless they are already much better than foreigners) and also even less exposure since there are quite a few people willing to watch low level foreigners play. There are ZERO people willing to watch low level Koreans play. From my understanding the big advantage of the Koreans is their approach to the game and if you don't match that you won't get anywhere. If anyone from Korea thinks I am wrong feel free to correct me. | ||
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jtp118
United States137 Posts
On July 17 2013 23:58 eScaper-tsunami wrote: How come only 8 people qualified? Shouldn't there be 20 since 20 of last season's ro40 got eliminated? I'm probably missing some key information here but it'd be nice if someone provided those details. only the bottom 8 drop out of premier league. the liquipedia WCS portal explains this pretty well | ||
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Hunterai
Thailand842 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 17 2013 19:08 paradoxOO9 wrote: How on earth did select get through?! I swear he hasn't been back playing the game all too long and he got through a qualifier with all those Koreans Well select still has Korean DNA so he gets a +2 to starcraft skill. | ||
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
On July 17 2013 19:22 Taipoka wrote: Try to do an all offline WCS on EU or AM. Good luck with that, and with the lack of players every week. that's no reason to make korea all offline.. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Um...Their country is the size of some of the tinier US states. All the qualifiers should be offline, but it is not viable in NA or EU yet. I would like to see it as soon as possible, because it will quickly weed out those who are not willing to give it their all and make room for those who are(excluding visa issues). | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On July 17 2013 17:35 saltis wrote: WCS NA : international Korean league WCS NA qualifier proved - there are no more top tier american players anymore, only pro-amateurs. It's fine that sponsors pay for swimming pool, gym and other non related activities to SC2 but apart of that NA teams performance is declining. The best americans are already qualified in the league. The only ones missing are massan/hendralisk/kane but you need to beat 4 koreans on average in the qualifier to advance to challenger. | ||
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Cattlecruiser
United States340 Posts
On July 17 2013 23:02 JimmiC wrote: What you're saying is moslty true, and college is a awesome experience. That being said a Degree does not gaurantee a high paying job. And more importantly then that it FORSURE does not gaurantee a job you love, in fact most people do not enjoy there jobs, they might enjoy the people they work with, or think it could be worse. Progaming offers the person the ability to make money at what they love, nd more then that so much freedom, travel. Not having a middle manager over your shoulder who you know more then and is there becuase of time served or a good resume is very frustrating. I agree many people will pick college but college will always be there and it will be no less fun to do when you are 24-28 then 18-22. In fact you will probably appreciate it more and have a better idea of exactly what you want to do. On top of that the age group of women you can hit on is much wider which is also incredibly important. I'm not advocating, quit school and become a pro gamer, I'm simply saying they arn't mutually exclusive. And depending on what field you go into the progaming can be used on a resume with lots of success. Often in my sales I bring up progaming when talking to IT people to build common ground (no I wasn't a pro gamer but I was the best player in the world for a couple months in 1999-2000 in a game called CnC tiberiun Sun, It's how I met Ret who was like a 12 year old bad ass at that game as well). In closing do both! Thanks for the insight. I took a year off, aka looking for a job, after I got my bachelors. It was fun and relaxing while it lasted, but during the time I always felt I was falling behind my friends. The point I was trying to make is that in the US there will be less talent because of console games being more popular, availability of loans making attending college plausible for everyone, and college being a very enjoyable experience because well... we party harder and more often compared to the rest of the world. Not many talented gamers will choose not to dedicate to a game because they are enjoying or attracted to the college lifestyle. Just saying there are really talented gamers in the US, but they didn't choose sc2 or went right into college. | ||
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Giantorange
Canada24 Posts
On July 18 2013 01:40 FXOdesRow wrote: The best americans are already qualified in the league. The only ones missing are massan/hendralisk/kane but you need to beat 4 koreans on average in the qualifier to advance to challenger. QXC's missing as well! I'd place him at least top 5 in terms of NA players. If not higher. | ||
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Fearest
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On July 18 2013 02:11 Fearest wrote: I hate how people associate American as Caucasian or non-Korean. Select is an American who happens to be a Korean, not the other way around. US Citizenship = American. When did Select get a US Citizenship and why would it void his Korean Citizenship? | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:22 TheBanana wrote: When did Select get a US Citizenship and why would it void his Korean Citizenship? If you become a naturalized US Citizen you have to renounce your citizenship to other countries, I believe, although you can go back and become a citizen of that country again after earning your American citizenship. Something like that. Is Select a US citizen, though? I have idea so I'm just asking in general. | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
@Plansix That was mostly true before wcs.Considering all sc2 competition are under the same wcs umbrella they all should have the same rules in order to assure a fair playing field.The na and eu scenes accepting online qualifiers form anywhere on Earth while koreans imposing 100% offline play is no an even playing field and it gives koreans an unfair advantage over other regions.it is either all wcs competitions accept online play or all accept only offline play,You can not have different rules for different regions sicne it is unfair.And that is what is happening in wcs right now | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: If you become a naturalized US Citizen you have to renounce your citizenship to other countries, I believe, although you can go back and become a citizen of that country again after earning your American citizenship. Something like that. Is Select a US citizen, though? I have idea so I'm just asking in general. No, US allows for dual citizenship. But Korean Americans tend to renounce their Korean citizenship to get out of military service. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:40 T.O.P. wrote: No, US allows for dual citizenship. But Korean Americans tend to renounce their Korean citizenship to get out of military service. Ah my bad. I know some people that became US citizens told me that they had to take an oath that removes their previous citizenship but according to wikipedia it says that it has never actually been enforced | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:37 theking1 wrote: I watched last night for nestea to see if he qualifies.Was a bit dissapointed and then closed stream.Really not that many good things to watch in wcs na.Hopefully with next years studio only play the situation will improve. @Plansix That was mostly true before wcs.Considering all sc2 competition are under the same wcs umbrella they all should have the same rules in order to assure a fair playing field.The na and eu scenes accepting online qualifiers form anywhere on Earth while koreans imposing 100% offline play is no an even playing field and it gives koreans an unfair advantage over other regions.it is either all wcs competitions accept online play or all accept only offline play,You can not have different rules for different regions sicne it is unfair.And that is what is happening in wcs right now We have to baseball leagues in the US. Both have slightly different rules, but they both end up in the World Series for MLB. At the end of the day, minor rules differences do not really matter when it comes to a large scale league. | ||
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
On July 17 2013 23:56 MavivaM wrote: Are you serious or not? Because I checked his TLPD and he has a sick ZvZ win ratio... maybe with a proper bracket he can do something more than simple partecipation. Do you recall any relevant VOD of him? @Dingodile: LOLOLOL Because he won over Genius 2:0 ??, and cause that's what knocked Genius down in the Challenger league on EU ?, maybe not though, but he's still pretty much veeeeeeeeeeeeery young, he's got quite a lot ahead of him.. :D | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote: We have to baseball leagues in the US. Both have slightly different rules, but they both end up in the World Series for MLB. At the end of the day, minor rules differences do not really matter when it comes to a large scale league. Except for the fact that the mlb is only for american teams in only one country:USA Except for the fact that online play form allover the world vs studio play only in korea is a MAJOR rule difference and it causes an impact.I do not think that one of the baseball leagues in the USA is composed 80% of people coming form all corners of the globe.Really do not think that is the case.Minor rule differences are ok.Big rule differences are not.And also discriminating against foreigners is not.The fact that koreans have different infrastructures doesnt give them the right to play by their own rules | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:52 theking1 wrote: Except for the fact that the mlb is only for american teams in only one country:USA Except for the fact that online play form allover the world vs studio play only in korea is a MAJOR rule difference and it causes an impact.I do not think that one of the baseball leagues in the USA is composed 80% of people coming form all corners of the globe.Really do not think that is the case.Minor rule differences are ok.Big rule differences are not.And also discriminating against foreigners is not.The fact that koreans have different infrastructures doesnt give them the right to play by their own rules When I say different rule, I mean, they play the game differently in the same league. Pitchers are required to bat in one league and are not required to in another. This means that teams function very differently depending on who they are playing and what league they are playing against. Their entire hitting and pitching line up can be messed up. The leagues are based on location too. There is no directly parallel in Starcraft, I would it close to letting players always know the starting location of their opponent in one league and never knowing it in another and both leagues would end up in the same finals. And it all works out in the end. Minor rule differences due to the regions are fine and the whole thing will move to mostly offline in the future. | ||
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