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paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
July 17 2013 10:08 GMT
#61
How on earth did select get through?! I swear he hasn't been back playing the game all too long and he got through a qualifier with all those Koreans
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
July 17 2013 10:22 GMT
#62
On July 17 2013 19:03 hyshes wrote:
Are EU or NA players allowed to qualify for wcs korea online without having to commit themselves by moving to korea before being into the money?

Try to do an all offline WCS on EU or AM.
Good luck with that, and with the lack of players every week.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
July 17 2013 10:49 GMT
#63
Funny how Select comes back from not playing Sc2 for a long time and qualifies in his first try while so many NA players that did play all this time are still crap and useless. Oh and Select plays and practices on NA server.
Mefano
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden190 Posts
July 17 2013 11:14 GMT
#64
Clearly the hellbat nerf made terrans loose more! Nah that was a joke :-)

Its nice to see Select made it through in America!
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 11:21:26
July 17 2013 11:20 GMT
#65
No Terrans to EU

Happy to see koreans!

Edit:

On July 17 2013 19:08 paradoxOO9 wrote:
How on earth did select get through?! I swear he hasn't been back playing the game all too long and he got through a qualifier with all those Koreans



He's been going for a couple months, he was good before and he's still a boss now!
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
July 17 2013 11:31 GMT
#66
On July 17 2013 19:08 paradoxOO9 wrote:
How on earth did select get through?! I swear he hasn't been back playing the game all too long and he got through a qualifier with all those Koreans

Because he is really that good, the insane multitasking he was known of is still in him and he adapts to the new metagame very fast.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
July 17 2013 11:37 GMT
#67
WERE UNDER ATTACK
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FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6183 Posts
July 17 2013 11:46 GMT
#68
On July 17 2013 20:37 TT1 wrote:
WERE UNDER ATTACK

nah men.. the war is already over, we got conquered...
n_n
Bjarne
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany192 Posts
July 17 2013 11:52 GMT
#69
On July 17 2013 18:37 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 15:50 Pokebunny wrote:
On July 17 2013 14:29 Arnstein wrote:
On July 17 2013 14:22 Icekommander wrote:
On July 17 2013 12:54 BronzeKnee wrote:
On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.

American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent.



What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...


Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and, fraer at WCG.



But seriously, there have been a lot of solid NA players who have disappeared/retired. IdrA, Sheth, and Nony/Tyler are the biggest ones people remember right now, but Drewbie, Painuser, TT1, Kiwikaki and Slush all made waves and then disappeared or retired. And how many people remember Cruncher, Chance, Silver, Lastshadow, Murder, Torch, dde, Mihai, Optikzero? Grabbing the top 16 of IEM Cologne 2010 and MLG Raleigh 2010, something like 11/15 Europeans are still playing, and only 4/16 North Americans are still playing (numbers are slightly off, point stands).


Back then, SC2 was a lot easier, as it wasn't as developed, and less people played it. Today many people have become really good at it, but for some reason it seems americans haven't. I don't know why though, because there are many players that get a lot of money and play full time. But they probably don't practice as hard as koreans and europeans.

Gotta love the random baseless conclusions!


The state of the game in 2010 was entirely different from what it is today. And there are many americans that play SC2 full-time, that still doesn't win a lot. Since it's not genetics(americans will probably say it is, though) they can't practice as hard as koreans. Of course I don't know, but I can't find any other explanation for it.


Im quite sure youre wrong. Performance not depends only on the amount of training.
If you live in the startale team-house, with coaches and code-S-Korean Superstars, its pretty much easier to get better than sitting at home, less opportunitys to play against top players, without any coaches...
And what about the money you need to pay your bills?
Im sure that startales LIFE not has to waste time earning money...
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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
July 17 2013 12:11 GMT
#70
WCS EU, WCS KR, WCSKR2.

K.
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 12:52:38
July 17 2013 12:52 GMT
#71
On July 17 2013 21:11 Crownlol wrote:
WCS EU, WCS KR, WCSKR2.

K.

WCS NA sir
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WCS No America
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Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
July 17 2013 12:52 GMT
#72
On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.

American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent.



What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...

PC gaming is much smaller in the US than most other countries. Console games are much more popular.

Many of my friends started to play at the beginning of WoL because of nostalgia of BW, but many lost interest after the next big console game came out. The few that dedicated significant amount of time trying to get the mechanics down reached a peak even reaching GM, but eventually they lost interest in high level competition and play half 2v2 and 1v1.

I know this is going to get a lot of hate, but I can't see the appeal in being a "professional gamer". Even getting a degree from a state run institution is a much better career choice. College is so fun and federal loans makes it very affordable. Most high school grads with intelligence and discipline are going to have the option to choose to attend college. While attending college there is much more appeal in becoming Greek or joining other student groups.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
July 17 2013 12:58 GMT
#73
sad for america but my guess is it would looks similar in europe if korea / europe lag was half decent. not really surprised bout the eu no terran stuff. eu terran "talent" is kinda weak and the top dogs in eu from terran are already in, whats left is just super mediocre and no one really shows any significant talent.

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ichi
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia14 Posts
July 17 2013 13:19 GMT
#74
Just so u know, Starbuck will win this WCS.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 17 2013 13:55 GMT
#75
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 17 2013 13:57 GMT
#76
Korea holds!
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 17 2013 14:02 GMT
#77
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Kyir
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1047 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 14:47:47
July 17 2013 14:45 GMT
#78
I love the NASL team and I'll still probably tune in once in a while, but if I wanted to watch a tournament with (almost) all Koreans, I would have just watched WCS Korea.
MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
July 17 2013 14:56 GMT
#79
On July 17 2013 22:19 ichi wrote:
Just so u know, Starbuck will win this WCS.

Are you serious or not?
Because I checked his TLPD and he has a sick ZvZ win ratio... maybe with a proper bracket he can do something more than simple partecipation.
Do you recall any relevant VOD of him?
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eScaper-tsunami
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada313 Posts
July 17 2013 14:58 GMT
#80
How come only 8 people qualified? Shouldn't there be 20 since 20 of last season's ro40 got eliminated? I'm probably missing some key information here but it'd be nice if someone provided those details.
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