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TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
July 17 2013 18:59 GMT
#101
On July 18 2013 03:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 03:22 TheBanana wrote:
On July 18 2013 02:11 Fearest wrote:
I hate how people associate American as Caucasian or non-Korean. Select is an American who happens to be a Korean, not the other way around. US Citizenship = American.


When did Select get a US Citizenship and why would it void his Korean Citizenship?

If you become a naturalized US Citizen you have to renounce your citizenship to other countries, I believe, although you can go back and become a citizen of that country again after earning your American citizenship. Something like that. Is Select a US citizen, though? I have idea so I'm just asking in general.


I'm pretty sure he isn't, that's why I'm asking as well.
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sWs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States409 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 01:07:15
July 18 2013 01:00 GMT
#102
yay WCS America killing the NA/continental American scene

Where are the god damned pitch forks at?

Here's to hoping blizzard removes its head out of its ass.
@swsc2
sWs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States409 Posts
July 18 2013 01:11 GMT
#103
On July 17 2013 19:03 hyshes wrote:
Are EU or NA players allowed to qualify for wcs korea online without having to commit themselves by moving to korea before being into the money?


NOPE
@swsc2
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
July 18 2013 01:25 GMT
#104
Some previous GSL Koreans can't even qualify in the NA challenger league. And, Blizzard knew NA was already the weakest region to begin with. Like trying to putting a house on fire out by adding some more fire. It seemed like originally they did something that was beneficial for the players but they didn't get enough out of it. Now, they're flipping off the players and only thinking about themselves. As a player, you have to stop playing in their events first of all. In a scenario like this, there has to be a compromise where both sides meet somewhere in the middle. Other sports already have a blueprint on how to handle this. It's not exactly hard.

I'm worrying about finding some nexus wars tournaments for now. I couldn't care less about WCS.
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 01:39:20
July 18 2013 01:35 GMT
#105
On July 18 2013 10:00 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
yay WCS America killing the NA/continental American scene

Where are the god damned pitch forks at?

Here's to hoping blizzard removes its head out of its ass.


They did anounce studio only play form next season.sadly it is a bit late.

@playa

Blizzards idea of wcs is to have the best in the world play form anywhere across the globe.They said in their last ama that for now the wcs role is not to grow the local scene aka they couldnt care less how many koreans there are.This coupled with the fact that the korean scene makes its own rules and has offline only play and the low lag between us and kr results in the situation we have today.This like as you said other companies protect the na scene and want to watch it grow.The na scene is usually the scene that provides the highest level of entertainment but with the sc2 scene it is exactly the opposite.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 17:28:23
July 18 2013 17:28 GMT
#106
I wonder why NA players don't try to qualify in EU. Far fewer Koreans and the lag isn't nearly as bad as KR-EU.
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
July 18 2013 17:36 GMT
#107
Wow, 90% are Koreans...
This format will ultimately kill WCS as it becomes a worse Code A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 18 2013 17:38 GMT
#108
On July 19 2013 02:36 Caladan wrote:
Wow, 90% are Koreans...
This format will ultimately kill WCS as it becomes a worse Code A.

The majority of the good NA players are already in code A or S for NA, so I don't really see a problem. We have fewer good players than EU. Also. your last sentance makes no sense.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 18 2013 18:49 GMT
#109
On July 18 2013 03:52 theking1 wrote:
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On July 18 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:
On July 18 2013 03:37 theking1 wrote:
I watched last night for nestea to see if he qualifies.Was a bit dissapointed and then closed stream.Really not that many good things to watch in wcs na.Hopefully with next years studio only play the situation will improve.

@Plansix

That was mostly true before wcs.Considering all sc2 competition are under the same wcs umbrella they all should have the same rules in order to assure a fair playing field.The na and eu scenes accepting online qualifiers form anywhere on Earth while koreans imposing 100% offline play is no an even playing field and it gives koreans an unfair advantage over other regions.it is either all wcs competitions accept online play or all accept only offline play,You can not have different rules for different regions sicne it is unfair.And that is what is happening in wcs right now

We have to baseball leagues in the US. Both have slightly different rules, but they both end up in the World Series for MLB. At the end of the day, minor rules differences do not really matter when it comes to a large scale league.


Except for the fact that the mlb is only for american teams in only one country:USA

Except for the fact that online play form allover the world vs studio play only in korea is a MAJOR rule difference and it causes an impact.I do not think that one of the baseball leagues in the USA is composed 80% of people coming form all corners of the globe.Really do not think that is the case.Minor rule differences are ok.Big rule differences are not.And also discriminating against foreigners is not.The fact that koreans have different infrastructures doesnt give them the right to play by their own rules


What impact? You really think foreigners will make serious runs at WCS Korea if online play in earlier rounds was allowed? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
July 18 2013 18:53 GMT
#110
Fuck yeah Genius
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krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
July 18 2013 18:53 GMT
#111
On July 18 2013 10:11 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 19:03 hyshes wrote:
Are EU or NA players allowed to qualify for wcs korea online without having to commit themselves by moving to korea before being into the money?


NOPE

doesn't make any difference because there isn't going to be a foreigner qualifying for code a anyway
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
July 21 2013 15:58 GMT
#112
On July 17 2013 08:44 Race is Terran wrote:
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On July 17 2013 08:25 GreenMash wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:10 Race is Terran wrote:
haha 5 terrans in AM, 5 protoss's in EU

3 zerg eu 2 zerg na. So perfect balance o.o

1 protoss in NA.....this guy Arthur. Korean, but withh an american name. My mind is intrigued with what this guy has to offer


Ehm, let me guess: 4gates? Pretty much all his games in WoL were old skool crazy stuff even in 2012, IIRC
maru G5L pls
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
July 22 2013 02:28 GMT
#113
On July 18 2013 01:49 Giantorange wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 01:40 FXOdesRow wrote:
On July 17 2013 17:35 saltis wrote:
WCS NA : international Korean league
WCS NA qualifier proved - there are no more top tier american players anymore, only pro-amateurs.
It's fine that sponsors pay for swimming pool, gym and other non related activities to SC2 but apart of that NA teams performance is declining.


The best americans are already qualified in the league. The only ones missing are massan/hendralisk/kane but you need to beat 4 koreans on average in the qualifier to advance to challenger.


QXC's missing as well! I'd place him at least top 5 in terms of NA players. If not higher.

Yes I agree Can't believe I forgot him ^^ !
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