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WCS AM/EU qualifiers conclude, Genius, San, SeleCT and oth…

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midnight999
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States257 Posts
July 17 2013 01:33 GMT
#21
Has WCS NA turned into Code A?
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
July 17 2013 01:57 GMT
#22
Good to see San and Genius make it!
Hopefully they go far!
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
July 17 2013 02:01 GMT
#23
hahah
san the god of qualifiers
moo...for DRG
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
July 17 2013 02:27 GMT
#24
On July 17 2013 10:33 jkim91 wrote:
Has WCS NA turned into Code A?

Code A with a bigger prize pool, basically.
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
July 17 2013 03:08 GMT
#25
Yeah Select!
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 03:15:33
July 17 2013 03:15 GMT
#26
Are there any NA players left in AM WCS?
oh, hai
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
July 17 2013 03:31 GMT
#27
WCS Code AM has a nice ring to it.
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rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
July 17 2013 03:33 GMT
#28
On July 17 2013 10:33 jkim91 wrote:
Has WCS NA turned into Code A?

Code C. Code A and Code B qualifiers are both harder
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 03:37:42
July 17 2013 03:36 GMT
#29
On July 17 2013 12:15 HornyHerring wrote:
Are there any NA players left in AM WCS?

From the Start of WCS Season 2

North/South Americans in Challenger League:
(P)Capoch
(P)State
(P)Hellokitty
(T)Drunkenboi
(Z)KiLLeR

North/South Americans in Premier League:
(P)puCK
(P)HuK
(P)Minigun
(T)theognis
(T)MajOr
(T)Neeb
(Z)ViBE
(Z)Suppy

5 in challenger, 8 in premier, for a total of 13 as of the start of WCS Season 2.

Note that I didn't include Demuslim(who is in premier league), but you could technically consider him since he lives in the United States.

5/16 American representation in Challenger League R1, 8/32 in premier league. Sadly, that's better than I expected.

On July 17 2013 12:33 rift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 10:33 jkim91 wrote:
Has WCS NA turned into Code A?

Code C. Code A and Code B qualifiers are both harder

At this point I think American players that are stuck trying to get into the qualifiers should just try for WCS Europe. They'd have a better shot against European players and the few(er) Koreans partaking in it.
If you don't like it, you can quit.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 05:17:51
July 17 2013 03:54 GMT
#30
On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.

American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent.



What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...


Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and fraer at WCG.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 17 2013 04:52 GMT
#31
Go Targa!

Also, american players should start practicing more :p
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
July 17 2013 05:06 GMT
#32
On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.

American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent.



What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...


Right, because we left the NA scene to flounder under the weight of a Korean tidal wave, and answered the death throes with a steady chorus of "LOL, GET BETTER."

In a world where MLG, IPL, and NASL actively facilitated the complete and total takeover of Korean talent, are we actually surprised that foreign teams picked up Korean pros and didn't give a shit as the better NA pros started to retire?
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
July 17 2013 05:12 GMT
#33
WCS "America"

Nice to see some Europeans qualifier in WCS EU
monchi | IdrA | Flash
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
July 17 2013 05:15 GMT
#34
Select fighting!!
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
July 17 2013 05:22 GMT
#35
Koreafires
Icekommander
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 05:24:26
July 17 2013 05:22 GMT
#36
On July 17 2013 12:54 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.

American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent.



What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...


Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and, fraer at WCG.



But seriously, there have been a lot of solid NA players who have disappeared/retired. IdrA, Sheth, and Nony/Tyler are the biggest ones people remember right now, but Drewbie, Painuser, TT1, Kiwikaki and Slush all made waves and then disappeared or retired. And how many people remember Cruncher, Chance, Silver, Lastshadow, Murder, Torch, dde, Mihai, Optikzero? Grabbing the top 16 of IEM Cologne 2010 and MLG Raleigh 2010, something like 11/15 Europeans are still playing, and only 4/16 North Americans are still playing (numbers are slightly off, point stands).
Time Flies like an arrow. Fruit Flies like a banana.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 17 2013 05:29 GMT
#37
On July 17 2013 14:22 Icekommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 12:54 BronzeKnee wrote:
On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.

American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent.



What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...


Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and, fraer at WCG.



But seriously, there have been a lot of solid NA players who have disappeared/retired. IdrA, Sheth, and Nony/Tyler are the biggest ones people remember right now, but Drewbie, Painuser, TT1, Kiwikaki and Slush all made waves and then disappeared or retired. And how many people remember Cruncher, Chance, Silver, Lastshadow, Murder, Torch, dde, Mihai, Optikzero? Grabbing the top 16 of IEM Cologne 2010 and MLG Raleigh 2010, something like 11/15 Europeans are still playing, and only 4/16 North Americans are still playing (numbers are slightly off, point stands).


Back then, SC2 was a lot easier, as it wasn't as developed, and less people played it. Today many people have become really good at it, but for some reason it seems americans haven't. I don't know why though, because there are many players that get a lot of money and play full time. But they probably don't practice as hard as koreans and europeans.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
pieroog
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland146 Posts
July 17 2013 06:17 GMT
#38
supppp WCS son!
Mekare
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany393 Posts
July 17 2013 06:26 GMT
#39
Oooooh, moar reasons to complain about race distribution of any kind! So many Protoss! So many Terrans! So many Koreans! ;P
Ok, with that out of the way: Go go SeleCT!! <3
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
July 17 2013 06:50 GMT
#40
On July 17 2013 14:29 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 14:22 Icekommander wrote:
On July 17 2013 12:54 BronzeKnee wrote:
On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:
On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.

American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent.



What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...


Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and, fraer at WCG.



But seriously, there have been a lot of solid NA players who have disappeared/retired. IdrA, Sheth, and Nony/Tyler are the biggest ones people remember right now, but Drewbie, Painuser, TT1, Kiwikaki and Slush all made waves and then disappeared or retired. And how many people remember Cruncher, Chance, Silver, Lastshadow, Murder, Torch, dde, Mihai, Optikzero? Grabbing the top 16 of IEM Cologne 2010 and MLG Raleigh 2010, something like 11/15 Europeans are still playing, and only 4/16 North Americans are still playing (numbers are slightly off, point stands).


Back then, SC2 was a lot easier, as it wasn't as developed, and less people played it. Today many people have become really good at it, but for some reason it seems americans haven't. I don't know why though, because there are many players that get a lot of money and play full time. But they probably don't practice as hard as koreans and europeans.

Gotta love the random baseless conclusions!
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
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