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The qualifiers for the WCS America and Europe Challenger Leagues have concluded with eight players qualifying in each region.
In Europe,  StarDust, BlinG, San, Genius, ShoWTimE,  Starbuck, AlaStOr, and TargA were the eight players to make it through. Notably, no Terrans made it through the qualifiers, while two Korean Protosses playing from Korea were able to overcome the cross-region lag to qualify as well.
In the American region, Arthur,  Hack, Sound, HyuN, Center, ByuL, SeleCT, and Heart earned spots in the Challenger League, completing a Korean sweep of the qualifiers (although some choose to categorize SeleCT as American). Though a handful of KeSPA players also competed in the WCS AM qualifiers, none of them were able to make it through.
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WCS gets more Koreans! Gogo Genius!
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SeleCT <3 Good stuff my man!
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haha 5 terrans in AM, 5 protoss's in EU
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Sad to see no Terrans from EU but none the less great players so far that qualified!
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I know he hasn't won yet but can America adopt Select like how Europe adopted Mvp?
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Really glad to see that only Koreans qualified for WCS America!!!!!!!
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United States97276 Posts
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Love going to stay up all night to watch Koreans play in WCS NA, because they want to avoid GSL/OSL.
On a plus note, there's 9 NA players in premier league, so at least 9 will be in WCS season 3.
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On July 17 2013 08:10 Race is Terran wrote:
haha 5 terrans in AM, 5 protoss's in EU
3 zerg eu 2 zerg na. So perfect balance o.o
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On July 17 2013 08:25 GreenMash wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 08:10 Race is Terran wrote:
haha 5 terrans in AM, 5 protoss's in EU 3 zerg eu 2 zerg na. So perfect balance o.o
1 protoss in NA.....this guy Arthur. Korean, but withh an american name. My mind is intrigued with what this guy has to offer
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WCS AM should be WCS EZ for koreans
Best of luck to them though.
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Go Korea! 
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Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent.
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On July 17 2013 08:16 Shebuha wrote:Really glad to see that only Koreans qualified for WCS America!!!!!!! + Show Spoiler +
Can't you chalk up Select as a win?
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SeleCt definitely counts as American... he hasn't trained in korea for the vast majority of SC2.
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On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent.
What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...
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Has WCS NA turned into Code A?
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Good to see San and Genius make it!
Hopefully they go far!
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hahah
san the god of qualifiers
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On July 17 2013 10:33 jkim91 wrote:
Has WCS NA turned into Code A?
Code A with a bigger prize pool, basically.
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Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
Are there any NA players left in AM WCS?
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WCS Code AM has a nice ring to it.
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On July 17 2013 10:33 jkim91 wrote:
Has WCS NA turned into Code A?
Code C. Code A and Code B qualifiers are both harder
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On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent. What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...
Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and fraer at WCG.
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Go Targa!
Also, american players should start practicing more :p
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On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent. What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...
Right, because we left the NA scene to flounder under the weight of a Korean tidal wave, and answered the death throes with a steady chorus of "LOL, GET BETTER."
In a world where MLG, IPL, and NASL actively facilitated the complete and total takeover of Korean talent, are we actually surprised that foreign teams picked up Korean pros and didn't give a shit as the better NA pros started to retire?
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WCS "America"
Nice to see some Europeans qualifier in WCS EU
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On July 17 2013 12:54 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent. What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah... Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and, fraer at WCG.
But seriously, there have been a lot of solid NA players who have disappeared/retired. IdrA, Sheth, and Nony/Tyler are the biggest ones people remember right now, but Drewbie, Painuser, TT1, Kiwikaki and Slush all made waves and then disappeared or retired. And how many people remember Cruncher, Chance, Silver, Lastshadow, Murder, Torch, dde, Mihai, Optikzero? Grabbing the top 16 of IEM Cologne 2010 and MLG Raleigh 2010, something like 11/15 Europeans are still playing, and only 4/16 North Americans are still playing (numbers are slightly off, point stands).
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On July 17 2013 14:22 Icekommander wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 12:54 BronzeKnee wrote:On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent. What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah... Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and, fraer at WCG. But seriously, there have been a lot of solid NA players who have disappeared/retired. IdrA, Sheth, and Nony/Tyler are the biggest ones people remember right now, but Drewbie, Painuser, TT1, Kiwikaki and Slush all made waves and then disappeared or retired. And how many people remember Cruncher, Chance, Silver, Lastshadow, Murder, Torch, dde, Mihai, Optikzero? Grabbing the top 16 of IEM Cologne 2010 and MLG Raleigh 2010, something like 11/15 Europeans are still playing, and only 4/16 North Americans are still playing (numbers are slightly off, point stands).
Back then, SC2 was a lot easier, as it wasn't as developed, and less people played it. Today many people have become really good at it, but for some reason it seems americans haven't. I don't know why though, because there are many players that get a lot of money and play full time. But they probably don't practice as hard as koreans and europeans.
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Oooooh, moar reasons to complain about race distribution of any kind! So many Protoss! So many Terrans! So many Koreans! ;P
Ok, with that out of the way: Go go SeleCT!! <3
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On July 17 2013 14:29 Arnstein wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 14:22 Icekommander wrote:On July 17 2013 12:54 BronzeKnee wrote:On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent. What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah... Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and, fraer at WCG. But seriously, there have been a lot of solid NA players who have disappeared/retired. IdrA, Sheth, and Nony/Tyler are the biggest ones people remember right now, but Drewbie, Painuser, TT1, Kiwikaki and Slush all made waves and then disappeared or retired. And how many people remember Cruncher, Chance, Silver, Lastshadow, Murder, Torch, dde, Mihai, Optikzero? Grabbing the top 16 of IEM Cologne 2010 and MLG Raleigh 2010, something like 11/15 Europeans are still playing, and only 4/16 North Americans are still playing (numbers are slightly off, point stands). Back then, SC2 was a lot easier, as it wasn't as developed, and less people played it. Today many people have become really good at it, but for some reason it seems americans haven't. I don't know why though, because there are many players that get a lot of money and play full time. But they probably don't practice as hard as koreans and europeans.
Gotta love the random baseless conclusions!
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On July 17 2013 12:33 rift wrote:Code C. Code A and Code B qualifiers are both harder
Code B qualifiers are definitely not harder, have you even bothered to look at the qualifier brackets for the past few seasons? most groups only have 2 known players tops.
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On July 17 2013 08:44 Race is Terran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 08:25 GreenMash wrote:On July 17 2013 08:10 Race is Terran wrote:
haha 5 terrans in AM, 5 protoss's in EU 3 zerg eu 2 zerg na. So perfect balance o.o 1 protoss in NA.....this guy Arthur. Korean, but with an american name. My mind is intrigued with what this guy has to offer
Are you for real?
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On July 17 2013 08:12 hangene92 wrote:
Sad to see no Terrans from EU but none the less great players so far that qualified!
all say this but its totally wayne and also nice, sure if heromarine qualified it would be nice but STILL
with the downcomers from premiumleague, 1 day before the last group we have 10 protoss 10 zerg 10 terran in challanger 1st round ... 10 10 10 ... why u complain about perfection xD
ps: its nice for select and he deserves it by beating boongboong etc BUT seeing american guy elige just losing qualifier by ONE map ... hurts bro
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Austria24422 Posts
WCS America is starting to look like WCS Korea 2.0
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Norway25712 Posts
Oh Myungsik. So close 
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On July 17 2013 15:50 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 14:29 Arnstein wrote:
Back then, SC2 was a lot easier, as it wasn't as developed, and less people played it. Today many people have become really good at it, but for some reason it seems americans haven't. I don't know why though, because there are many players that get a lot of money and play full time. But they probably don't practice as hard as koreans and europeans. Gotta love the random baseless conclusions!
SO MANY ESPORTS DOLLARES
fyi, with all these pros making SO MUCH MONEY why is theogenis taking a spot on ROOT instead of a salary, yes, instead.
FCUK I just want to scream.
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(P)Arthur, (T)Hack, (T)Sound, (Z)HyuN, (T)Center, (Z)ByuL, (T)SeleCT, and (T)Heart
'murica
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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I like how after every qualifier americans come and cry on the forum that the big bad koreans stole their spots. How about people start working hard like the rest of the world and not expect things to be handed over on a silver plate. But hey, 'mericah, so we should get free stuff.
Anyway gratz to Bling and Stardust.
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WCS NA : international Korean league
WCS NA qualifier proved - there are no more top tier american players anymore, only pro-amateurs.
It's fine that sponsors pay for swimming pool, gym and other non related activities to SC2 but apart of that NA teams performance is declining.
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On July 17 2013 11:27 Antylamon wrote:Code A with a bigger prize pool, basically.
So this was all a secret plan to get the poor Code A guys some better payment? Genius, Blizzard! No Terrans on EU...
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On July 17 2013 09:14 Alryk wrote:
SeleCt definitely counts as American... he hasn't trained in korea for the vast majority of SC2.
i sense desperation here...
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On July 17 2013 17:44 schaf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 11:27 Antylamon wrote:On July 17 2013 10:33 jkim91 wrote:
Has WCS NA turned into Code A? Code A with a bigger prize pool, basically. So this was all a secret plan to get the poor Code A guys some better payment? Genius, Blizzard! No Terrans on EU...
heromarine so close twice :/
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trolls 
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North/South Americans in Premier League:
puCK
HuK
Minigun
theognis
MajOr
Neeb
ViBE
Suppy
What about scarlet? Probably the best na player out there!
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I don't care what anyone says, SeleCT is totally american son. <3
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I was sure that socke, nightend, marine, b4 and golden all would qualify without much trouble. I hope they get back where they belong next season.
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On July 17 2013 15:50 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 14:29 Arnstein wrote:On July 17 2013 14:22 Icekommander wrote:On July 17 2013 12:54 BronzeKnee wrote:On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent. What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah... Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and, fraer at WCG. But seriously, there have been a lot of solid NA players who have disappeared/retired. IdrA, Sheth, and Nony/Tyler are the biggest ones people remember right now, but Drewbie, Painuser, TT1, Kiwikaki and Slush all made waves and then disappeared or retired. And how many people remember Cruncher, Chance, Silver, Lastshadow, Murder, Torch, dde, Mihai, Optikzero? Grabbing the top 16 of IEM Cologne 2010 and MLG Raleigh 2010, something like 11/15 Europeans are still playing, and only 4/16 North Americans are still playing (numbers are slightly off, point stands). Back then, SC2 was a lot easier, as it wasn't as developed, and less people played it. Today many people have become really good at it, but for some reason it seems americans haven't. I don't know why though, because there are many players that get a lot of money and play full time. But they probably don't practice as hard as koreans and europeans. Gotta love the random baseless conclusions!
The state of the game in 2010 was entirely different from what it is today. And there are many americans that play SC2 full-time, that still doesn't win a lot. Since it's not genetics(americans will probably say it is, though) they can't practice as hard as koreans. Of course I don't know, but I can't find any other explanation for it.
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Are EU or NA players allowed to qualify for wcs korea online without having to commit themselves by moving to korea before being into the money?
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How on earth did select get through?! I swear he hasn't been back playing the game all too long and he got through a qualifier with all those Koreans
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On July 17 2013 19:03 hyshes wrote:
Are EU or NA players allowed to qualify for wcs korea online without having to commit themselves by moving to korea before being into the money?
Try to do an all offline WCS on EU or AM.
Good luck with that, and with the lack of players every week.
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Funny how Select comes back from not playing Sc2 for a long time and qualifies in his first try while so many NA players that did play all this time are still crap and useless. Oh and Select plays and practices on NA server.
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Clearly the hellbat nerf made terrans loose more! Nah that was a joke :-)
Its nice to see Select made it through in America!
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
No Terrans to EU
Happy to see koreans!
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On July 17 2013 19:08 paradoxOO9 wrote:
How on earth did select get through?! I swear he hasn't been back playing the game all too long and he got through a qualifier with all those Koreans
He's been going for a couple months, he was good before and he's still a boss now!
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China6330 Posts
On July 17 2013 19:08 paradoxOO9 wrote:
How on earth did select get through?! I swear he hasn't been back playing the game all too long and he got through a qualifier with all those Koreans
Because he is really that good, the insane multitasking he was known of is still in him and he adapts to the new metagame very fast.
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On July 17 2013 20:37 TT1 wrote:
WERE UNDER ATTACK
nah men.. the war is already over, we got conquered...
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On July 17 2013 18:37 Arnstein wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 15:50 Pokebunny wrote:On July 17 2013 14:29 Arnstein wrote:On July 17 2013 14:22 Icekommander wrote:On July 17 2013 12:54 BronzeKnee wrote:On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent. What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah... Yes, we need Combatex back. The same Combatex who took a game off Parting and defeated Adelscott, Killer and, fraer at WCG. But seriously, there have been a lot of solid NA players who have disappeared/retired. IdrA, Sheth, and Nony/Tyler are the biggest ones people remember right now, but Drewbie, Painuser, TT1, Kiwikaki and Slush all made waves and then disappeared or retired. And how many people remember Cruncher, Chance, Silver, Lastshadow, Murder, Torch, dde, Mihai, Optikzero? Grabbing the top 16 of IEM Cologne 2010 and MLG Raleigh 2010, something like 11/15 Europeans are still playing, and only 4/16 North Americans are still playing (numbers are slightly off, point stands). Back then, SC2 was a lot easier, as it wasn't as developed, and less people played it. Today many people have become really good at it, but for some reason it seems americans haven't. I don't know why though, because there are many players that get a lot of money and play full time. But they probably don't practice as hard as koreans and europeans. Gotta love the random baseless conclusions! The state of the game in 2010 was entirely different from what it is today. And there are many americans that play SC2 full-time, that still doesn't win a lot. Since it's not genetics(americans will probably say it is, though) they can't practice as hard as koreans. Of course I don't know, but I can't find any other explanation for it.
Im quite sure youre wrong. Performance not depends only on the amount of training.
If you live in the startale team-house, with coaches and code-S-Korean Superstars, its pretty much easier to get better than sitting at home, less opportunitys to play against top players, without any coaches...
And what about the money you need to pay your bills?
Im sure that startales LIFE not has to waste time earning money...
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WCS EU, WCS KR, WCSKR2.
K.
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On July 17 2013 21:11 Crownlol wrote:
WCS EU, WCS KR, WCSKR2.
K.
WCS NA sir
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On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent. What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...
PC gaming is much smaller in the US than most other countries. Console games are much more popular.
Many of my friends started to play at the beginning of WoL because of nostalgia of BW, but many lost interest after the next big console game came out. The few that dedicated significant amount of time trying to get the mechanics down reached a peak even reaching GM, but eventually they lost interest in high level competition and play half 2v2 and 1v1.
I know this is going to get a lot of hate, but I can't see the appeal in being a "professional gamer". Even getting a degree from a state run institution is a much better career choice. College is so fun and federal loans makes it very affordable. Most high school grads with intelligence and discipline are going to have the option to choose to attend college. While attending college there is much more appeal in becoming Greek or joining other student groups.
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sad for america but my guess is it would looks similar in europe if korea / europe lag was half decent. not really surprised bout the eu no terran stuff. eu terran "talent" is kinda weak and the top dogs in eu from terran are already in, whats left is just super mediocre and no one really shows any significant talent.
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Just so u know, Starbuck will win this WCS. 
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United States97276 Posts
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I love the NASL team and I'll still probably tune in once in a while, but if I wanted to watch a tournament with (almost) all Koreans, I would have just watched WCS Korea.
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On July 17 2013 22:19 ichi wrote:Just so u know, Starbuck will win this WCS.
Are you serious or not?
Because I checked his TLPD and he has a sick ZvZ win ratio... maybe with a proper bracket he can do something more than simple partecipation.
Do you recall any relevant VOD of him?
@Dingodile: LOLOLOL
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How come only 8 people qualified? Shouldn't there be 20 since 20 of last season's ro40 got eliminated? I'm probably missing some key information here but it'd be nice if someone provided those details.
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I love how SeleCT just went, meh DotA2 ain't working out. Let's just beat everyone at SC2 again.
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On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent. What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah...
Yeah, well, with that mindset you are not going anywhere. After all it is not like it is easier for Koreans without teams to get that good, it is probably even harder. They have more pressure from their parents and more pressure from school. They have even fewer tournaments (outside from WCS where they don't qualify anyway unless they are already much better than foreigners) and also even less exposure since there are quite a few people willing to watch low level foreigners play. There are ZERO people willing to watch low level Koreans play. From my understanding the big advantage of the Koreans is their approach to the game and if you don't match that you won't get anywhere. If anyone from Korea thinks I am wrong feel free to correct me.
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On July 17 2013 23:58 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
How come only 8 people qualified? Shouldn't there be 20 since 20 of last season's ro40 got eliminated? I'm probably missing some key information here but it'd be nice if someone provided those details.
only the bottom 8 drop out of premier league. the liquipedia WCS portal explains this pretty well
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Eventually we will have call WCS NA as WCS KR2
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On July 17 2013 19:08 paradoxOO9 wrote:
How on earth did select get through?! I swear he hasn't been back playing the game all too long and he got through a qualifier with all those Koreans
Well select still has Korean DNA so he gets a +2 to starcraft skill.
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On July 17 2013 19:22 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 19:03 hyshes wrote:
Are EU or NA players allowed to qualify for wcs korea online without having to commit themselves by moving to korea before being into the money? Try to do an all offline WCS on EU or AM. Good luck with that, and with the lack of players every week.
that's no reason to make korea all offline..
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On July 18 2013 01:36 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 19:22 Taipoka wrote:On July 17 2013 19:03 hyshes wrote:
Are EU or NA players allowed to qualify for wcs korea online without having to commit themselves by moving to korea before being into the money? Try to do an all offline WCS on EU or AM. Good luck with that, and with the lack of players every week. that's no reason to make korea all offline..
Um...Their country is the size of some of the tinier US states. All the qualifiers should be offline, but it is not viable in NA or EU yet. I would like to see it as soon as possible, because it will quickly weed out those who are not willing to give it their all and make room for those who are(excluding visa issues).
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On July 17 2013 17:35 saltis wrote:
WCS NA : international Korean league
WCS NA qualifier proved - there are no more top tier american players anymore, only pro-amateurs.
It's fine that sponsors pay for swimming pool, gym and other non related activities to SC2 but apart of that NA teams performance is declining.
The best americans are already qualified in the league. The only ones missing are massan/hendralisk/kane but you need to beat 4 koreans on average in the qualifier to advance to challenger.
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On July 17 2013 23:02 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 21:52 Cattlecruiser wrote:On July 17 2013 10:15 SniXSniPe wrote:On July 17 2013 08:54 titan55 wrote:
Koreans definitely made the American competition look like a joke.. NA talent needs to be grown more to keep ourselves more competitive.
American teams really need to stop focusing on acquiring the correct korean talent and go back to just finding talent. What people don't seem to realize is how many players have already quit SC2, including some former solid NA players that were there. NA isn't going to become any better, in regards to the number of skilled players. Maybe one or two might reach a level of being able to beat some lesser Koreans (in tournaments), but yeah... PC gaming is much smaller in the US than most other countries. Console games are much more popular. Many of my friends started to play at the beginning of WoL because of nostalgia of BW, but many lost interest after the next big console game came out. The few that dedicated significant amount of time trying to get the mechanics down reached a peak even reaching GM, but eventually they lost interest in high level competition and play half 2v2 and 1v1. I know this is going to get a lot of hate, but I can't see the appeal in being a "professional gamer". Even getting a degree from a state run institution is a much better career choice. College is so fun and federal loans makes it very affordable. Most high school grads with intelligence and discipline are going to have the option to choose to attend college. While attending college there is much more appeal in becoming Greek or joining other student groups. What you're saying is moslty true, and college is a awesome experience. That being said a Degree does not gaurantee a high paying job. And more importantly then that it FORSURE does not gaurantee a job you love, in fact most people do not enjoy there jobs, they might enjoy the people they work with, or think it could be worse. Progaming offers the person the ability to make money at what they love, nd more then that so much freedom, travel. Not having a middle manager over your shoulder who you know more then and is there becuase of time served or a good resume is very frustrating. I agree many people will pick college but college will always be there and it will be no less fun to do when you are 24-28 then 18-22. In fact you will probably appreciate it more and have a better idea of exactly what you want to do. On top of that the age group of women you can hit on is much wider which is also incredibly important. I'm not advocating, quit school and become a pro gamer, I'm simply saying they arn't mutually exclusive. And depending on what field you go into the progaming can be used on a resume with lots of success. Often in my sales I bring up progaming when talking to IT people to build common ground (no I wasn't a pro gamer but I was the best player in the world for a couple months in 1999-2000 in a game called CnC tiberiun Sun, It's how I met Ret who was like a 12 year old bad ass at that game as well). In closing do both!
Thanks for the insight. I took a year off, aka looking for a job, after I got my bachelors. It was fun and relaxing while it lasted, but during the time I always felt I was falling behind my friends.
The point I was trying to make is that in the US there will be less talent because of console games being more popular, availability of loans making attending college plausible for everyone, and college being a very enjoyable experience because well... we party harder and more often compared to the rest of the world.
Not many talented gamers will choose not to dedicate to a game because they are enjoying or attracted to the college lifestyle.
Just saying there are really talented gamers in the US, but they didn't choose sc2 or went right into college.
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On July 18 2013 01:40 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 17:35 saltis wrote:
WCS NA : international Korean league
WCS NA qualifier proved - there are no more top tier american players anymore, only pro-amateurs.
It's fine that sponsors pay for swimming pool, gym and other non related activities to SC2 but apart of that NA teams performance is declining. The best americans are already qualified in the league. The only ones missing are massan/hendralisk/kane but you need to beat 4 koreans on average in the qualifier to advance to challenger.
QXC's missing as well! I'd place him at least top 5 in terms of NA players. If not higher.
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I hate how people associate American as Caucasian or non-Korean. Select is an American who happens to be a Korean, not the other way around. US Citizenship = American.
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On July 18 2013 02:11 Fearest wrote:
I hate how people associate American as Caucasian or non-Korean. Select is an American who happens to be a Korean, not the other way around. US Citizenship = American.
When did Select get a US Citizenship and why would it void his Korean Citizenship?
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On July 18 2013 03:22 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 02:11 Fearest wrote:
I hate how people associate American as Caucasian or non-Korean. Select is an American who happens to be a Korean, not the other way around. US Citizenship = American. When did Select get a US Citizenship and why would it void his Korean Citizenship?
If you become a naturalized US Citizen you have to renounce your citizenship to other countries, I believe, although you can go back and become a citizen of that country again after earning your American citizenship. Something like that. Is Select a US citizen, though? I have idea so I'm just asking in general.
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I watched last night for nestea to see if he qualifies.Was a bit dissapointed and then closed stream.Really not that many good things to watch in wcs na.Hopefully with next years studio only play the situation will improve.
@Plansix
That was mostly true before wcs.Considering all sc2 competition are under the same wcs umbrella they all should have the same rules in order to assure a fair playing field.The na and eu scenes accepting online qualifiers form anywhere on Earth while koreans imposing 100% offline play is no an even playing field and it gives koreans an unfair advantage over other regions.it is either all wcs competitions accept online play or all accept only offline play,You can not have different rules for different regions sicne it is unfair.And that is what is happening in wcs right now
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On July 18 2013 03:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:22 TheBanana wrote:On July 18 2013 02:11 Fearest wrote:
I hate how people associate American as Caucasian or non-Korean. Select is an American who happens to be a Korean, not the other way around. US Citizenship = American. When did Select get a US Citizenship and why would it void his Korean Citizenship? If you become a naturalized US Citizen you have to renounce your citizenship to other countries, I believe, although you can go back and become a citizen of that country again after earning your American citizenship. Something like that. Is Select a US citizen, though? I have idea so I'm just asking in general.
No, US allows for dual citizenship. But Korean Americans tend to renounce their Korean citizenship to get out of military service.
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On July 18 2013 03:40 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 18 2013 03:22 TheBanana wrote:On July 18 2013 02:11 Fearest wrote:
I hate how people associate American as Caucasian or non-Korean. Select is an American who happens to be a Korean, not the other way around. US Citizenship = American. When did Select get a US Citizenship and why would it void his Korean Citizenship? If you become a naturalized US Citizen you have to renounce your citizenship to other countries, I believe, although you can go back and become a citizen of that country again after earning your American citizenship. Something like that. Is Select a US citizen, though? I have idea so I'm just asking in general. No, US allows for dual citizenship. But Korean Americans tend to renounce their Korean citizenship to get out of military service.
Ah my bad. I know some people that became US citizens told me that they had to take an oath that removes their previous citizenship but according to wikipedia it says that it has never actually been enforced
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On July 18 2013 03:37 theking1 wrote:
I watched last night for nestea to see if he qualifies.Was a bit dissapointed and then closed stream.Really not that many good things to watch in wcs na.Hopefully with next years studio only play the situation will improve.
@Plansix
That was mostly true before wcs.Considering all sc2 competition are under the same wcs umbrella they all should have the same rules in order to assure a fair playing field.The na and eu scenes accepting online qualifiers form anywhere on Earth while koreans imposing 100% offline play is no an even playing field and it gives koreans an unfair advantage over other regions.it is either all wcs competitions accept online play or all accept only offline play,You can not have different rules for different regions sicne it is unfair.And that is what is happening in wcs right now
We have to baseball leagues in the US. Both have slightly different rules, but they both end up in the World Series for MLB. At the end of the day, minor rules differences do not really matter when it comes to a large scale league.
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On July 17 2013 23:56 MavivaM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 22:19 ichi wrote:Just so u know, Starbuck will win this WCS. Are you serious or not? Because I checked his TLPD and he has a sick ZvZ win ratio... maybe with a proper bracket he can do something more than simple partecipation. Do you recall any relevant VOD of him? @Dingodile: LOLOLOL
Because he won over Genius 2:0 ??, and cause that's what knocked Genius down in the Challenger league on EU ?, maybe not though, but he's still pretty much veeeeeeeeeeeeery young, he's got quite a lot ahead of him.. :D
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On July 18 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:37 theking1 wrote:
I watched last night for nestea to see if he qualifies.Was a bit dissapointed and then closed stream.Really not that many good things to watch in wcs na.Hopefully with next years studio only play the situation will improve.
@Plansix
That was mostly true before wcs.Considering all sc2 competition are under the same wcs umbrella they all should have the same rules in order to assure a fair playing field.The na and eu scenes accepting online qualifiers form anywhere on Earth while koreans imposing 100% offline play is no an even playing field and it gives koreans an unfair advantage over other regions.it is either all wcs competitions accept online play or all accept only offline play,You can not have different rules for different regions sicne it is unfair.And that is what is happening in wcs right now We have to baseball leagues in the US. Both have slightly different rules, but they both end up in the World Series for MLB. At the end of the day, minor rules differences do not really matter when it comes to a large scale league.
Except for the fact that the mlb is only for american teams in only one country:USA
Except for the fact that online play form allover the world vs studio play only in korea is a MAJOR rule difference and it causes an impact.I do not think that one of the baseball leagues in the USA is composed 80% of people coming form all corners of the globe.Really do not think that is the case.Minor rule differences are ok.Big rule differences are not.And also discriminating against foreigners is not.The fact that koreans have different infrastructures doesnt give them the right to play by their own rules
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On July 18 2013 03:52 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:On July 18 2013 03:37 theking1 wrote:
I watched last night for nestea to see if he qualifies.Was a bit dissapointed and then closed stream.Really not that many good things to watch in wcs na.Hopefully with next years studio only play the situation will improve.
@Plansix
That was mostly true before wcs.Considering all sc2 competition are under the same wcs umbrella they all should have the same rules in order to assure a fair playing field.The na and eu scenes accepting online qualifiers form anywhere on Earth while koreans imposing 100% offline play is no an even playing field and it gives koreans an unfair advantage over other regions.it is either all wcs competitions accept online play or all accept only offline play,You can not have different rules for different regions sicne it is unfair.And that is what is happening in wcs right now We have to baseball leagues in the US. Both have slightly different rules, but they both end up in the World Series for MLB. At the end of the day, minor rules differences do not really matter when it comes to a large scale league. Except for the fact that the mlb is only for american teams in only one country:USA Except for the fact that online play form allover the world vs studio play only in korea is a MAJOR rule difference and it causes an impact.I do not think that one of the baseball leagues in the USA is composed 80% of people coming form all corners of the globe.Really do not think that is the case.Minor rule differences are ok.Big rule differences are not.And also discriminating against foreigners is not.The fact that koreans have different infrastructures doesnt give them the right to play by their own rules
When I say different rule, I mean, they play the game differently in the same league. Pitchers are required to bat in one league and are not required to in another. This means that teams function very differently depending on who they are playing and what league they are playing against. Their entire hitting and pitching line up can be messed up. The leagues are based on location too.
There is no directly parallel in Starcraft, I would it close to letting players always know the starting location of their opponent in one league and never knowing it in another and both leagues would end up in the same finals. And it all works out in the end. Minor rule differences due to the regions are fine and the whole thing will move to mostly offline in the future.
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On July 18 2013 03:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:22 TheBanana wrote:On July 18 2013 02:11 Fearest wrote:
I hate how people associate American as Caucasian or non-Korean. Select is an American who happens to be a Korean, not the other way around. US Citizenship = American. When did Select get a US Citizenship and why would it void his Korean Citizenship? If you become a naturalized US Citizen you have to renounce your citizenship to other countries, I believe, although you can go back and become a citizen of that country again after earning your American citizenship. Something like that. Is Select a US citizen, though? I have idea so I'm just asking in general.
I'm pretty sure he isn't, that's why I'm asking as well.
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yay WCS America killing the NA/continental American scene
Where are the god damned pitch forks at?
Here's to hoping blizzard removes its head out of its ass.
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On July 17 2013 19:03 hyshes wrote:
Are EU or NA players allowed to qualify for wcs korea online without having to commit themselves by moving to korea before being into the money?
NOPE
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Some previous GSL Koreans can't even qualify in the NA challenger league. And, Blizzard knew NA was already the weakest region to begin with. Like trying to putting a house on fire out by adding some more fire. It seemed like originally they did something that was beneficial for the players but they didn't get enough out of it. Now, they're flipping off the players and only thinking about themselves. As a player, you have to stop playing in their events first of all. In a scenario like this, there has to be a compromise where both sides meet somewhere in the middle. Other sports already have a blueprint on how to handle this. It's not exactly hard.
I'm worrying about finding some nexus wars tournaments for now. I couldn't care less about WCS.
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On July 18 2013 10:00 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
yay WCS America killing the NA/continental American scene
Where are the god damned pitch forks at?
Here's to hoping blizzard removes its head out of its ass.
They did anounce studio only play form next season.sadly it is a bit late.
@playa
Blizzards idea of wcs is to have the best in the world play form anywhere across the globe.They said in their last ama that for now the wcs role is not to grow the local scene aka they couldnt care less how many koreans there are.This coupled with the fact that the korean scene makes its own rules and has offline only play and the low lag between us and kr results in the situation we have today.This like as you said other companies protect the na scene and want to watch it grow.The na scene is usually the scene that provides the highest level of entertainment but with the sc2 scene it is exactly the opposite.
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I wonder why NA players don't try to qualify in EU. Far fewer Koreans and the lag isn't nearly as bad as KR-EU.
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Wow, 90% are Koreans...
This format will ultimately kill WCS as it becomes a worse Code A.
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On July 19 2013 02:36 Caladan wrote:
Wow, 90% are Koreans...
This format will ultimately kill WCS as it becomes a worse Code A.
The majority of the good NA players are already in code A or S for NA, so I don't really see a problem. We have fewer good players than EU. Also. your last sentance makes no sense.
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On July 18 2013 03:52 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:46 Plansix wrote:On July 18 2013 03:37 theking1 wrote:
I watched last night for nestea to see if he qualifies.Was a bit dissapointed and then closed stream.Really not that many good things to watch in wcs na.Hopefully with next years studio only play the situation will improve.
@Plansix
That was mostly true before wcs.Considering all sc2 competition are under the same wcs umbrella they all should have the same rules in order to assure a fair playing field.The na and eu scenes accepting online qualifiers form anywhere on Earth while koreans imposing 100% offline play is no an even playing field and it gives koreans an unfair advantage over other regions.it is either all wcs competitions accept online play or all accept only offline play,You can not have different rules for different regions sicne it is unfair.And that is what is happening in wcs right now We have to baseball leagues in the US. Both have slightly different rules, but they both end up in the World Series for MLB. At the end of the day, minor rules differences do not really matter when it comes to a large scale league. Except for the fact that the mlb is only for american teams in only one country:USA Except for the fact that online play form allover the world vs studio play only in korea is a MAJOR rule difference and it causes an impact.I do not think that one of the baseball leagues in the USA is composed 80% of people coming form all corners of the globe.Really do not think that is the case.Minor rule differences are ok.Big rule differences are not.And also discriminating against foreigners is not.The fact that koreans have different infrastructures doesnt give them the right to play by their own rules
What impact? You really think foreigners will make serious runs at WCS Korea if online play in earlier rounds was allowed? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
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On July 18 2013 10:11 TOdesKaMpF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 19:03 hyshes wrote:
Are EU or NA players allowed to qualify for wcs korea online without having to commit themselves by moving to korea before being into the money? NOPE
doesn't make any difference because there isn't going to be a foreigner qualifying for code a anyway
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On July 17 2013 08:44 Race is Terran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 08:25 GreenMash wrote:On July 17 2013 08:10 Race is Terran wrote:
haha 5 terrans in AM, 5 protoss's in EU 3 zerg eu 2 zerg na. So perfect balance o.o 1 protoss in NA.....this guy Arthur. Korean, but withh an american name. My mind is intrigued with what this guy has to offer
Ehm, let me guess: 4gates? Pretty much all his games in WoL were old skool crazy stuff even in 2012, IIRC
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On July 18 2013 01:49 Giantorange wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 01:40 FXOdesRow wrote:On July 17 2013 17:35 saltis wrote:
WCS NA : international Korean league
WCS NA qualifier proved - there are no more top tier american players anymore, only pro-amateurs.
It's fine that sponsors pay for swimming pool, gym and other non related activities to SC2 but apart of that NA teams performance is declining. The best americans are already qualified in the league. The only ones missing are massan/hendralisk/kane but you need to beat 4 koreans on average in the qualifier to advance to challenger. QXC's missing as well! I'd place him at least top 5 in terms of NA players. If not higher.
Yes I agree Can't believe I forgot him ^^ !
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