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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
May 13 2013 21:47 GMT
#461
On May 14 2013 06:31 Clbull wrote:
I didn't mean that point personally, I just find the whole thing a double standard from the community...


There really isn't a double standard in the community. Nobody benefits from an outburst. Being BM and raging at your opponent for beating you is much more infantile that you realize, apparently. Nobody has patience for someone who can't just shut up and accept a loss, but we sympathize with a person who gets mad at himself for losing, because at the end of the day it's your fault that you lost.

The OP is obviously intelligent enough to realize that his ultra-competitive nature causes his frustration to manifest itself in an ugly way. It's very different from being delusional about the conditions of your loss and going on a tangent of blaming your opponent and talking shit that you can't back up. You may think we're being disingenuous or holding a double standard by chastising immaturity and bad sportsmanship while showing sympathy for someone who genuinely feels like punishing himself for losing. I assure you, again, that no such double standard exists. You don't get better by blaming others for your own inadequacies as a player. End of story.
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 22:08:39
May 13 2013 22:05 GMT
#462
This thread may have run its course, but just in case you're still keeping up, you might find it interesting to try and register your thoughts and emotions as the gaming session progresses.

What is your state of mind as you're sitting down to play?

What are your thoughts and how are your emotions?

How do you feel as a game begins and plays out? Are you excited? Nervous? Reluctant? Hesitant? Anticipant?

How do you feel when you're in a good position in the game? How do you feel when things go sour? When do how you feel and think about the game, for better or worse, change during the course of the game? What happens when you seem to be winning? What happens when you're close to losing? When you make a good move? When you make a mistake?

With a game as involving as SC2 it can be difficult to register all of this as the game is running, but if you could become more aware about the triggers of the the fluctuations of your frame of mind and your emotional state, you might learn to recognize and anticipate the factors that lead to you having these unwanted emotional outbursts.

Perhaps you could use a voice-recorder to try and verbalize what is going on as you're playing the game? You could listen to the recording afterwards and try to pin down what factors frustrate you. What often happen with our thoughts and emotions are that they cascade through familiar patterns that may not be helpful or make a lot of sense on closer inspection. If you try and pry apart what goes on "on the inside" during a game, thus identifying the beginning of the thoughts and feelings that lead down the path to you becoming angry, you may be able to make a break from them before they take you there.

Good luck!
Lauriel
Profile Joined October 2012
United States108 Posts
May 13 2013 22:25 GMT
#463
On May 14 2013 06:25 Snuggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 03:00 Clbull wrote:
Kinda funny I asked this exact same question on the TL Strategy forum and on the Blogs section months ago and got badmouthed and called a fucking asshole.


Read your blog. It's reasonable why people called you an asshole because you were an asshole. There is rage when you take it out on yourself, like in OP's case, banging his fist on the table. Then there's people who lash out at other people, that's BM. Raging and taking it out on your opponent is much worse than taking it out on yourself.

How goes the games Lauriel? You should keep us posted on your mood while you play now. Ever since IdrA got the cut for his own issues rage has become quite the topic.

I honestly wish I could tell you guys a sure fire way to stop raging at a video game, but really I can only describe it as "snapping" one day and just not feel ticked off by anything. It's not a progressive type of thing, it just happens. I have never heard of a person slowly changing a personality trait of their's through some procedure. They either except their personality trait or dismiss it, or they don't even know they had a choice to do so in the beginning and may or may not refuse to see the fact that they have a choice. To me it's like an on and off switch. I shock myself times when I realize how calm and collected I am after losing to an all-in in ZvZ, 6pool with like 4 drones pulled and 2 spines down. That was one of the biggest triggers to make me flip my table over, and now with my switch turned off I simply just grumble a bit say my 'gg', think about it and remind myself to do this and this next time I spot it with my ovie.

There are times when I turn the switch back on though. Of course I never do any of that fist slamming anymore, but it's more like scolding. I play WoW Arena with my buds pretty competitively, and I remember this one time with lost to something for the 4 th time in a row. I was pretty pissed, because it was something we had seen over and over yet we still weren't prepared for it. My friends did their usual "damn, ugh, goddammit, I dunno man" routine and queued up for another game. I put my foot down and addressed the issue, and we worked together to get a solution. Not necessarily the rage we have in mind, but I still think that it counts as rage because I'm emotionally fired up and I'm in a state of mind where I could say things that are meaningless in terms of improvement. Here I took that emotion and tried to use it constructively. I was pissed, I don't get pissed for real that often when it came to Arena, my teammates could feel it so they listened carefully and responded accordingly.

Constructive rage and blind rage, let's use those token words.


Actually, so far so good! I've probably logged about 100 games since posting this thread, and I haven't raged once, despite losing to several cheeses that I know would have bothered the hell out of me in the past.

The biggest difference, surprisingly, is just always saying "gl hf" and "gg" if I lose. Starting the game off in a positive frame of mind helps, and saying "gg," for whatever reason, gives a little closure to the game for me so that I'm not constantly thinking about a loss afterwards.

Now, there have been some moments of frustration, and I have caught myself getting heated in a couple of instances, and in those moments I've taken a second, gone over what happened in the game, and tried to at least make something positive come from it. The most important thing is that I'm not queueing right away. Getting up from the computer and taking a walk around my place also helps. But yes, so far, things have been going much better.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
May 13 2013 22:32 GMT
#464
'I don't drink much, and have never done a drug in my life, but it's how I imagine it must feel to be on some sort of mind-altering substance, where rational thought no longer has any bearing on your actions.'

says all you need to know.
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HandleTaken
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden81 Posts
May 13 2013 22:54 GMT
#465
On May 14 2013 07:25 Lauriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 06:25 Snuggles wrote:
On May 14 2013 03:00 Clbull wrote:
Kinda funny I asked this exact same question on the TL Strategy forum and on the Blogs section months ago and got badmouthed and called a fucking asshole.


Read your blog. It's reasonable why people called you an asshole because you were an asshole. There is rage when you take it out on yourself, like in OP's case, banging his fist on the table. Then there's people who lash out at other people, that's BM. Raging and taking it out on your opponent is much worse than taking it out on yourself.

How goes the games Lauriel? You should keep us posted on your mood while you play now. Ever since IdrA got the cut for his own issues rage has become quite the topic.

I honestly wish I could tell you guys a sure fire way to stop raging at a video game, but really I can only describe it as "snapping" one day and just not feel ticked off by anything. It's not a progressive type of thing, it just happens. I have never heard of a person slowly changing a personality trait of their's through some procedure. They either except their personality trait or dismiss it, or they don't even know they had a choice to do so in the beginning and may or may not refuse to see the fact that they have a choice. To me it's like an on and off switch. I shock myself times when I realize how calm and collected I am after losing to an all-in in ZvZ, 6pool with like 4 drones pulled and 2 spines down. That was one of the biggest triggers to make me flip my table over, and now with my switch turned off I simply just grumble a bit say my 'gg', think about it and remind myself to do this and this next time I spot it with my ovie.

There are times when I turn the switch back on though. Of course I never do any of that fist slamming anymore, but it's more like scolding. I play WoW Arena with my buds pretty competitively, and I remember this one time with lost to something for the 4 th time in a row. I was pretty pissed, because it was something we had seen over and over yet we still weren't prepared for it. My friends did their usual "damn, ugh, goddammit, I dunno man" routine and queued up for another game. I put my foot down and addressed the issue, and we worked together to get a solution. Not necessarily the rage we have in mind, but I still think that it counts as rage because I'm emotionally fired up and I'm in a state of mind where I could say things that are meaningless in terms of improvement. Here I took that emotion and tried to use it constructively. I was pissed, I don't get pissed for real that often when it came to Arena, my teammates could feel it so they listened carefully and responded accordingly.

Constructive rage and blind rage, let's use those token words.


Actually, so far so good! I've probably logged about 100 games since posting this thread, and I haven't raged once, despite losing to several cheeses that I know would have bothered the hell out of me in the past.

The biggest difference, surprisingly, is just always saying "gl hf" and "gg" if I lose. Starting the game off in a positive frame of mind helps, and saying "gg," for whatever reason, gives a little closure to the game for me so that I'm not constantly thinking about a loss afterwards.

Now, there have been some moments of frustration, and I have caught myself getting heated in a couple of instances, and in those moments I've taken a second, gone over what happened in the game, and tried to at least make something positive come from it. The most important thing is that I'm not queueing right away. Getting up from the computer and taking a walk around my place also helps. But yes, so far, things have been going much better.


Good to hear you're feeling better.

I had a problem with tilt for a while when playing poker.
I realize this may not be exactly as your problem.
But it turns out I was studying to hard at the university.
It took me a couple of years of rest to get back to my normal self.

I wish I would have taken my early warning signs of tilt more seriously.
This way I would have avoided getting to the point where I had to rest for that long.

So if I were you I would take a look at my life to see if you are where you want to be.
If everyhing is ok then nvm my post ;-)
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
May 13 2013 23:44 GMT
#466
All I know is the best attitude to have is the love of the game/sport/field

When I played college tennis, I would begin each match by telling myself: "Good luck to this other guy. He's going to need it." When my opponent made a good play, I acknowledged his good play and even was happy for it. His good play enhanced the quality of our match.

Seen in this light, you play to increase your level of performance, not just win the point/game/match. The same can be applied to SC2 and other things in life.

When I decided to run a marathon, I realized that competing against other people is stupid. (and I am a very competitive person). It's better to compete against yourself. Set your own standards and be impressed when others out-perform them. Playfully challenge them to out-perform you and wish them luck, knowing YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE IT YOUR DAMN BEST. And if they beat your best, so be it.

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EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
May 13 2013 23:46 GMT
#467
i dont rage much unless i lose a game to stupid lucky play, but i usually just don't gg and maybe say protoss 1a ftw or something
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oucho
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom22 Posts
May 14 2013 00:51 GMT
#468
On May 13 2013 11:41 Sokrates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 10:55 oucho wrote:
On May 13 2013 10:04 Sokrates wrote:
It is really interesting how people from the US are advising therapy for such a minor issue. Paying a lot of money to rage less in sc2 sounds really weird to me. And i also think the OP can fix his issues by himself...

I really wonder if this "go see a therapist" thing is something you would get recommended in the US more often than in other (western) countries.

yeah I mean it's not as if he's putting his own health or the lives of others at risk so it's clearly not a serious issue

if you could solve the issue by yourself I think you would have done it by now, don't play the game any time before you need to drive, that would be very irresponsible for you

and yes you should probably talk to a professional, even if it's only just once, what you're describing isn't at all normal and even if it's just related to starcraft at the moment you shouldn't avoid confronting this as it seems very dangerous and harmful

maybe you can deal with this issue yourself but maybe you can't and it's always going to be much easier with the help of a professional


1. I m not the OP. Dont mix that up please.
2. Why should you run to a therpaist of one behaviour is not considered normal? I think that adds to charakter depth if it is within certain boundaries.
3. "Dangerous and harmful", total exaggeration, you might also give the advice that if you are stressed out and angry, dont be around people because you might hit them.

Just totally out of proportion. It also doesnt help your own life experience if you run to a therapist when you have a minor issue instead of trying to fix it by yourself.


The second part of the post was addressed to the OP not you, I know you're not the op.

He said that he drives recklessly and at one point was close to requiring surgery, if this isn't 'dangerous and harmful' behaviour then I really don't what is. How you can see behaviour like this to be acceptable and normal is beyond me.

I really don't think what you're saying about 'running to a therapist' is at all appropriate. Everything OP has said implies that he isn't in control of the situation and has no idea why it's happening, coupled with the fact that he's hurting himself and exhibiting extreme behaviour I think it should be pretty clear that he needs help of some sort.

Obviously you just have some kind of personal issue with the idea of therapy. I don't want to be over the top but you seem very stupid.
im cool yo
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
May 14 2013 01:35 GMT
#469
On May 14 2013 07:25 Lauriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 06:25 Snuggles wrote:
On May 14 2013 03:00 Clbull wrote:
Kinda funny I asked this exact same question on the TL Strategy forum and on the Blogs section months ago and got badmouthed and called a fucking asshole.


Read your blog. It's reasonable why people called you an asshole because you were an asshole. There is rage when you take it out on yourself, like in OP's case, banging his fist on the table. Then there's people who lash out at other people, that's BM. Raging and taking it out on your opponent is much worse than taking it out on yourself.

How goes the games Lauriel? You should keep us posted on your mood while you play now. Ever since IdrA got the cut for his own issues rage has become quite the topic.

I honestly wish I could tell you guys a sure fire way to stop raging at a video game, but really I can only describe it as "snapping" one day and just not feel ticked off by anything. It's not a progressive type of thing, it just happens. I have never heard of a person slowly changing a personality trait of their's through some procedure. They either except their personality trait or dismiss it, or they don't even know they had a choice to do so in the beginning and may or may not refuse to see the fact that they have a choice. To me it's like an on and off switch. I shock myself times when I realize how calm and collected I am after losing to an all-in in ZvZ, 6pool with like 4 drones pulled and 2 spines down. That was one of the biggest triggers to make me flip my table over, and now with my switch turned off I simply just grumble a bit say my 'gg', think about it and remind myself to do this and this next time I spot it with my ovie.

There are times when I turn the switch back on though. Of course I never do any of that fist slamming anymore, but it's more like scolding. I play WoW Arena with my buds pretty competitively, and I remember this one time with lost to something for the 4 th time in a row. I was pretty pissed, because it was something we had seen over and over yet we still weren't prepared for it. My friends did their usual "damn, ugh, goddammit, I dunno man" routine and queued up for another game. I put my foot down and addressed the issue, and we worked together to get a solution. Not necessarily the rage we have in mind, but I still think that it counts as rage because I'm emotionally fired up and I'm in a state of mind where I could say things that are meaningless in terms of improvement. Here I took that emotion and tried to use it constructively. I was pissed, I don't get pissed for real that often when it came to Arena, my teammates could feel it so they listened carefully and responded accordingly.

Constructive rage and blind rage, let's use those token words.


Actually, so far so good! I've probably logged about 100 games since posting this thread, and I haven't raged once, despite losing to several cheeses that I know would have bothered the hell out of me in the past.

The biggest difference, surprisingly, is just always saying "gl hf" and "gg" if I lose. Starting the game off in a positive frame of mind helps, and saying "gg," for whatever reason, gives a little closure to the game for me so that I'm not constantly thinking about a loss afterwards.

Now, there have been some moments of frustration, and I have caught myself getting heated in a couple of instances, and in those moments I've taken a second, gone over what happened in the game, and tried to at least make something positive come from it. The most important thing is that I'm not queueing right away. Getting up from the computer and taking a walk around my place also helps. But yes, so far, things have been going much better.



Good on you! We're so glad you're doing well! I'm learning too how to be a better player from reading this thread. Thanks for starting this thread, and all the best with your new found success with your anger!
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
May 14 2013 01:58 GMT
#470
Also sc2 isn´t a game to "relax". Atleast when you play ladder. Many of my friends made this mistake and were frustrated because they couldn´t relax with laddering. It´s like i´m going to swim to have fun but there´s always a swimming contest and i´m forced to participate. So i told them if you want to relax after work in the evening don´t play sc2. Or play arcade but don´t play ladder if you want to relax. It´ll frustrate you.
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RedFury
Profile Joined September 2011
Italy85 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 02:08:01
May 14 2013 02:07 GMT
#471
On May 13 2013 15:12 Lauriel wrote:
Well, I am a very competitive person, and I hate losing in real life as much as I hate losing at online games. I think the difference is that in real life I can take steps that I know will help me perform better in the area at which I'm performing under par. In games, there is no way to go back in time and play better. Instead, you can just play better in the next game. I think that realization bothered me, because I hate not being able to go back and fix the things I did wrong against the opponents I lost to.


I know that feeling. Sometimes it happens to lose a game for a minor mistake and you can't go back and remove it. However that's exactly what I meant with uncorrect approch to the games you play.
To fix this you have to consider two things.

Firstly of all, you must realize that ladder games can be pretty casual. Random opponents, maps, even your mental condition (and thus the performance) is partially random and depending on which time you play, etc. Ladder games are just a path for self improvement. And since you are not a pro, self-improvement and fun are the only goals you must pursue.

Secondly, you should also take in account that none is perfect and we all make mistakes or, sometimes, we have bad luck.
Based on this you have to accept the losses and move on. The best way to do this without too many consequences is giving a reason to each particular loss and learn from it for the future. Whatever is the reason (NB actual reason not an excuse) just try to learn something from it.


So don't take the games you play too seriously. Just focus on the long run. Once you start noticing the improvements you made through the time you will automatically forgot the past losses and also realize how stupid is overeacting with anger after a single one.


Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 02:40:46
May 14 2013 02:39 GMT
#472
Day[9] actually talked about this topic after Idra's release and he has really good advice to give on the subject. While its partly about Idra, its really about managing anger in a constructive way and him speaking of a part of himself we don't see.

Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
May 14 2013 02:47 GMT
#473
You need to lose to learn

That simple
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GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 03:18:07
May 14 2013 03:15 GMT
#474
On May 09 2013 09:13 FromShouri wrote:
I completely understand where you're coming from, when I was 15 I punched a hole in the wall because a rogue wouldn't stop ganking me in WoW XD. Though, it honestly is quite simple, just get over it. No one is going to give a shit about your leet starcraft skills, nor will you ever get good enough to play in GSL or MLG and get a good ranking. Just let it go and make a concious effort to stay in control....that said, maybe you should try some drugs xD

The WoW thing happened to me too. I was a lvl 22 night elf druid and some asshole kept camping my body. I've never wanted to stab someone in the face sooooo bad.

Can people please stop saying that it's just a game, because it isn't. Checkers is just a game, Tetris is just a game, hop skotch and hangman are just games. For the people who've taken enough time to register on this forum, read strategy guides, memorize build orders, and watch streams; it is obviously more than a game. It's an obsession that you receive pleasure from; it's a point of focus in your life that builds pride as your skill progresses. You cheapen it by referring to it as just "some game."
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FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
May 14 2013 03:24 GMT
#475
If you BM too hard there is an option. Just unbind the chat hotkey.
Dan26
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 04:27:33
May 14 2013 04:19 GMT
#476
On May 14 2013 06:24 Vlade wrote:
It's interesting how StarCraft seems to be able to incite such rage, to where people who don't have problems with any other games get furious at this game. I read some threads about this a while ago, it's probably a combination of several factors:

1. It's a Demanding Game

SC requires your absolute full attention, always. No matter how intensely you play, you are aware that the game demands more from you than you can physically or mentally deliver. Your body responds with adrenaline and an activated fight-or-flight response.

2. There's Only One Winner

No matter how you slice it, one person is going to lose the game. No matter how confident or brilliant the two players are, one will emerge a winner and the other a loser, and there are no points or accolades for losing by a small or large margin.

3. You Are Forced to Admit Defeat

Unless you wait for every single one of your buildings to explode, the way to leave a game of SC requires you to surrender to your opponent, acknowledging his win and cementing your awareness of your loss at the same time.

4. It Requires a Huge Time Investment

Learning to play StarCraft even at an average level is much harder than most people give themselves credit for. Playing at a high level is harder than many University courses you could take, and the sheer time investment you need to learn the basics alone, the hundreds and thousands of games to just scratch the surface, can frustrate many people who believe they should be rewarded for this effort.

5. It's Always Your Fault

When you lose, it's often very hard for people to take responsibility for their loss, especially after the extended period of heightened effort and anxiety that preceded it. The first, and most common response, is to blame the game, even though people know that a better player could have won with one hand tied behind his back. The reason you lost always traces back to a mistake (or series of mistakes) that you made, that the opponent (knowingly or not) capitalized on. However, as many people find it hard to take responsibility for things, they often flame the developers or players.

--------------------

Of course as stated before, these are conventions, but if we're looking for the "reasons" for the rage, you don't have to look much farther than this. Long story short, your body's physiology is responding to the demanding and ruthless "survival of the fittest" situation it finds itself in, which is what it naturally does. When you lose and you no longer need the chemicals, you suddenly find yourself sitting at your computer with a wounded ego and adrenaline in your veins. What do you think that leads to?


+1. You have gotten to the core of the issue here.

My advice in combination with this brilliant post is:

Don't try and play like a pro. Just play slowly, keep up good scouting, and don't try and push your skill level past what you are capable of. I'm in Platinum and I don't stress too much about having perfect macro or perfect scouting.

Dignitas' Apollo once said in one of his tutorial videos that "Playing fast is not just for the sake of it; it simply means you know exactly what to do and when to do it."

Think clearly and slowly and play with a low APM and just breathe. This is how I get into my "zone".

After a while you start naturally playing faster and making better decisions because you are not forcing or pushing yourself to do so because you feel you need to. Let it come in a healthy way. Lose your first few games. It's okay. Warm into it. Just take it easy on yourself. Don't punish yourself for bad play, don't feel bad and don't over-analyze.

Also if your heart isn't in it, then your mind will not follow. Rage can be caused because your forcing your mind to play a very difficult game. Love it, or leave it.

Professional gamers are professional because they have a very strong control over their emotions. (with exception of a few well known players). They lose a game, gg out as soon as they recognize a loss, then get on with it. This game requires a tough mind. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Lastly, say this to yourself a few times before playing:

"I am in complete control of my thoughts and emotions; If I get angry, or frustrated, I am choosing to be. No-one is responsible for how I'm feeling"



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Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
May 14 2013 06:00 GMT
#477
On May 14 2013 07:25 Lauriel wrote:
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On May 14 2013 06:25 Snuggles wrote:
On May 14 2013 03:00 Clbull wrote:
Kinda funny I asked this exact same question on the TL Strategy forum and on the Blogs section months ago and got badmouthed and called a fucking asshole.


Read your blog. It's reasonable why people called you an asshole because you were an asshole. There is rage when you take it out on yourself, like in OP's case, banging his fist on the table. Then there's people who lash out at other people, that's BM. Raging and taking it out on your opponent is much worse than taking it out on yourself.

How goes the games Lauriel? You should keep us posted on your mood while you play now. Ever since IdrA got the cut for his own issues rage has become quite the topic.

I honestly wish I could tell you guys a sure fire way to stop raging at a video game, but really I can only describe it as "snapping" one day and just not feel ticked off by anything. It's not a progressive type of thing, it just happens. I have never heard of a person slowly changing a personality trait of their's through some procedure. They either except their personality trait or dismiss it, or they don't even know they had a choice to do so in the beginning and may or may not refuse to see the fact that they have a choice. To me it's like an on and off switch. I shock myself times when I realize how calm and collected I am after losing to an all-in in ZvZ, 6pool with like 4 drones pulled and 2 spines down. That was one of the biggest triggers to make me flip my table over, and now with my switch turned off I simply just grumble a bit say my 'gg', think about it and remind myself to do this and this next time I spot it with my ovie.

There are times when I turn the switch back on though. Of course I never do any of that fist slamming anymore, but it's more like scolding. I play WoW Arena with my buds pretty competitively, and I remember this one time with lost to something for the 4 th time in a row. I was pretty pissed, because it was something we had seen over and over yet we still weren't prepared for it. My friends did their usual "damn, ugh, goddammit, I dunno man" routine and queued up for another game. I put my foot down and addressed the issue, and we worked together to get a solution. Not necessarily the rage we have in mind, but I still think that it counts as rage because I'm emotionally fired up and I'm in a state of mind where I could say things that are meaningless in terms of improvement. Here I took that emotion and tried to use it constructively. I was pissed, I don't get pissed for real that often when it came to Arena, my teammates could feel it so they listened carefully and responded accordingly.

Constructive rage and blind rage, let's use those token words.


Actually, so far so good! I've probably logged about 100 games since posting this thread, and I haven't raged once, despite losing to several cheeses that I know would have bothered the hell out of me in the past.

The biggest difference, surprisingly, is just always saying "gl hf" and "gg" if I lose. Starting the game off in a positive frame of mind helps, and saying "gg," for whatever reason, gives a little closure to the game for me so that I'm not constantly thinking about a loss afterwards.

Now, there have been some moments of frustration, and I have caught myself getting heated in a couple of instances, and in those moments I've taken a second, gone over what happened in the game, and tried to at least make something positive come from it. The most important thing is that I'm not queueing right away. Getting up from the computer and taking a walk around my place also helps. But yes, so far, things have been going much better.


Nice. Sounds great man. From my experience, if things are going the way you say it is, you are directly on the road to never raging again. You just wake up one day, and you stop raging at your losses. Soon you'll find that this will directly give a positive influence on your real life experiences. Having a hobby where you can have fun and be positive is an amazing thing.
Sokrates
Profile Joined May 2012
738 Posts
May 14 2013 15:38 GMT
#478
On May 14 2013 09:51 oucho wrote:
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On May 13 2013 11:41 Sokrates wrote:
On May 13 2013 10:55 oucho wrote:
On May 13 2013 10:04 Sokrates wrote:
It is really interesting how people from the US are advising therapy for such a minor issue. Paying a lot of money to rage less in sc2 sounds really weird to me. And i also think the OP can fix his issues by himself...

I really wonder if this "go see a therapist" thing is something you would get recommended in the US more often than in other (western) countries.

yeah I mean it's not as if he's putting his own health or the lives of others at risk so it's clearly not a serious issue

if you could solve the issue by yourself I think you would have done it by now, don't play the game any time before you need to drive, that would be very irresponsible for you

and yes you should probably talk to a professional, even if it's only just once, what you're describing isn't at all normal and even if it's just related to starcraft at the moment you shouldn't avoid confronting this as it seems very dangerous and harmful

maybe you can deal with this issue yourself but maybe you can't and it's always going to be much easier with the help of a professional


1. I m not the OP. Dont mix that up please.
2. Why should you run to a therpaist of one behaviour is not considered normal? I think that adds to charakter depth if it is within certain boundaries.
3. "Dangerous and harmful", total exaggeration, you might also give the advice that if you are stressed out and angry, dont be around people because you might hit them.

Just totally out of proportion. It also doesnt help your own life experience if you run to a therapist when you have a minor issue instead of trying to fix it by yourself.


The second part of the post was addressed to the OP not you, I know you're not the op.

He said that he drives recklessly and at one point was close to requiring surgery, if this isn't 'dangerous and harmful' behaviour then I really don't what is. How you can see behaviour like this to be acceptable and normal is beyond me.

I really don't think what you're saying about 'running to a therapist' is at all appropriate. Everything OP has said implies that he isn't in control of the situation and has no idea why it's happening, coupled with the fact that he's hurting himself and exhibiting extreme behaviour I think it should be pretty clear that he needs help of some sort.

Obviously you just have some kind of personal issue with the idea of therapy. I don't want to be over the top but you seem very stupid.


How about you read my other points instead of lashing out insults. As i said before there are many steps you can take before you invest a lot of money into something that you can sort out by yourself. I think the OP was aware he needs some sort of help by opening his threads and asking for ideas how to calm his rage. Just because people are not instantly agreeing on you with "get therapy" doesnt mean they are stupid. Very "childish" approach by you, mb you should get some kind of... nevermind.
Apperantly it is working out for the OP so far.
IaMaV
Profile Joined April 2012
30 Posts
May 14 2013 23:56 GMT
#479
When you're playing, you should always remember that this is only a game, you should be having fun and that losing isn't a big deal. When you've lost, accept the fact that you lost because of a mistake you made and take a break. After that come back and watch the replay to see what went wrong, then learn from it. If losing in this game really bothers you too much though, I don't think you should be playing this game.

Hope this solves your problem.
largehadroncollider
Profile Joined May 2013
United States88 Posts
May 15 2013 08:24 GMT
#480
It's funny to see this thread after encountering some people here on the boards who seem to be so sensitive and angry over petty stuff like that eSF vs. KeSPA (or KeSPA vs. eSF, whatever) shenanigans.

Remember that humans are vulnerable creatures, some more than others, and the little things can get embedded deeply into our minds, most of the times without us being conscious of it.

So start with your mind, and try to analyze how your feelings are being triggered by certain stimuli. By being conscious about the stimuli, you should have better control over your mind and body.

For me it's as simple as that.
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