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Chytilova
United States790 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:37 Chocobo wrote: This story is now on the front page of CNN.com. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Q6JbI.jpg) :O There is a shooting that killed 6 in Wisconsin, but this is the big front page story. Wow. | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
Fair enough. | ||
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Vestrel
Canada271 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:36 KillingVector wrote: Except the discussion about the article isn't whether pro gamers should be classified as "athletes." It is for the most part about whether their long practice sessions are the result of an addiction or dedication. The author is going to shift the discussion to semantics by just using a crappy title for his follow up article. Right, too late to edit now but I guess the more accurate thing to say would be "to give another topic for discussion." | ||
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KillingVector
United States96 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:40 Vestrel wrote: Right, too late to edit now but I guess the more accurate thing to say would be "to give another topic for discussion." Its not your fault. The author calls it "a follow-up story based on some of your comments" in one of his comments. I think it just shows how much the author doesn't really get it. Either that, or he's secretly a bnet forum troll who was tired of dragging up this old "athletes" argument on the bnet forums and decided to go for the big time. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Wasn't expecting much but seriously, they're professionals, not addict. edit : just saw the follow up article. Nice. I tweeted to the guy some good feedback about that. The gaming community can be a bit harsh sometimes but we know how to forget people if they redeem themselves. =) | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
Also, go seemed like an indicative sign of addiction, but its actually BFD in the gamig community. Plus " he plays not because he wants to, but has to." seems a little too over the top. Is marinekings past weighing on him at wcg? Probably not as much as this article makes it out to be: This article is disliked in my mind because it makes a "philosophical" question about gaming and then discusses it using MKP and statistics and government actions..it all paints the wrong picture | ||
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FSKi
United States901 Posts
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
MVP, whose parents saw that he wasn't excelling in school and enrolled him in an after-school academy for "StarCraft" players because they wanted him to go pro Can we put aside the CNN is hurting e-sports discussion for just one moment and appreciate how amazing this is. MVP literally went to Starcraft school because that was the career his parents wanted him to enter. And also, that, much like Yu-Gi-Oh, there are literally Starcraft schools. That blew my mind a little. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:29 Hyperionnn wrote: The problem is, you cant compare videogames with a normal stuff even though you are horribly biased. JUS' SAYIN. Comments like this highlight the stigma around video games. So video games aren't "normal" stuff?. I dont know any males that are between the ages of 15-30 that dont play video games to some extent (be it a little or alot) sounds pretty normal to me. Not to mention with the rise of mobile gaming that number is becoming even greater and as mobile games get more complex the difference between conventional and mobile gaming is becoming less obvious. | ||
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Tuluum
1 Post
On August 06 2012 08:16 Ribbon wrote: there are literally Starcraft schools. That blew my mind a little. I found that pretty interesting as well! I actually enjoyed the article. I have watched e-sports evolve from before video games themselves were really competitive. I think the article shows pretty clearly that those who are "outside" the social rings are not just writing it off anymore. The article quite obviously gives credence to esports being legitimate. I would venture a guess that the journalists preconceived bias was challenged greatly in writing the article, however, it still colored it. When games first started, they were really just seen as a kids thing. When those kids grew up, and didnt stop playing, that started to shift the culture into being more widely accepted. I have a feeling that when the kids of those kids are grown, or perhaps even the next generation, the idea of video games truly being a sport will be unquestioned. The issue with sports in general is that they are relatively useless beyond the revunue they create. The revenue is what lends them legitimacy. As we continue to see revenues increase in e-sports, I suspect that will be directly proportional to their perceived legitimacy by the general populous. Of course, the idea of addiction is present with video games just as much as anything else in life. Anything we do, especially on a daily basis, can turn into a habit which then can very easily turn into a psychological addiction. IMO, this lack of moderation is an issue across the board when it affects quality of life. However, culturally, it is only seen as an issue when it does not generate income. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On August 06 2012 01:41 Shiori wrote: If anything, this shows you've been infected by some sort of pragmatism rather than that videogaming is 'bad.' I always laugh when people criticize gaming on the grounds of 'productivity' while failing to consider that productivity for productivity's sake is completely arbitrary, and is only something that people have argued for in the post-narrative era we live in. Seriously, productivity is probably the god of this generation (i.e. last 20 years). It's sad, and it's arbitrary, and I wish people would shut up about it. Agreed the same thing could be said for almost every activity depending on someones point of view. "Playing Soccer 8 hours a day is a huge waste of time if your not going to go pro". And sure it is healthy to exercise your body to a certain extent but your not going to be that much better off doing it 8 hours a day compared to 1 or 2 in terms of body health(diminishing returns). The same can be said for starcraft it is exercise for your brain and it can train your reflexes. Its completely arbitrary as you say, something that seems productive to one person seems like a waste of time to another, there is no right or wrong but unless you are training towards something most things are usually better in moderation. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 06 2012 08:11 Bippzy wrote: I think the article has much to go in storyline. Saying marineking won in 8 minutes should not be "he won in just 8 minutes" it should be more like "he executed a well disguised rush and caught his opponent off guard. Also, go seemed like an indicative sign of addiction, but its actually BFD in the gamig community. Plus " he plays not because he wants to, but has to." seems a little too over the top. Is marinekings past weighing on him at wcg? Probably not as much as this article makes it out to be: This article is disliked in my mind because it makes a "philosophical" question about gaming and then discusses it using MKP and statistics and government actions..it all paints the wrong picture What are you talking about? Rush? People who don't play video games don't know what a rush is. Nor do they understand how you disguise something. I thought the article was extremely well-written - it brought both sides of the argument, the good and bad of gaming. I think people here focus way too much on the addiction side, which is actually, sadly, an issue (because some people are addicted to gaming - this is not necessarily good). Yes there are other non-gaming examples of bad addictions (eg. athletics) but that's not the point of this article. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On August 06 2012 04:51 Nos- wrote: The article is not nearly as biased as some of you guys make it out to be. I read it more as MKP's triumphant rise to the top and how his family came together for him than anything really stigmatizing gaming lol I feel like alot of the people criticizing the article simply just read the title or at the very least didnt read it from top to bottom. The coverage of MVP was all positive, the coverage of MKP was like investigative with a conclusion in the end that pro gamers arent considered addicts because they are working towards something positive and have a will to succeed. It also portrayed the difference between MVP's parents who supported his gaming and where the ones who enrolled him in starcraft academy when he wasnt getting good grades in school, they wanted him to go pro. Then there is MKP's parents who forbade him from playing games and even beat him occasionally to stop him, and how his drive to become a pro gamer made him go behind there backs and get to playing and practicing despite what his parents thought. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
Can somebody link the follow up article? Edit: Page 14 | ||
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Cinquedea
Canada144 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
For those who didn't make it to the end, there's actually this: After the tournament, I talked with the psychologist, Dr. Han, about gaming addiction in Korea. I described MarineKing's training habits, and his personal story. He said the number of hours and the intensity with which he approaches "StarCraft II" borders on addiction. But there's one difference, he said. Pro gamers usually aren't addicts. Addicts can't succeed on a higher competitive level, he said. The game takes complete control. Pros, however, find a magical balance. They're obsessed with the game, maybe, but their playing of it isn't depressive, meandering and hopeless. They're chasing after a goal. ...but it's completely out of sync with everything else there. It's a very confused piece of journalism. On the one hand, the message at the end is quite sympathetic, showing how MKP's parents came around and how MVP won the the WCG for KR, and suggesting that pro-gamers are different to typical addicts. But the writer never really does away with the MKP-as-obsessive-messed-up-jittery-addict-banging-on-a-black-keyboard schtick. Very odd. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Since the game was at its height and that the Korean (asian culture in general) have this mentality of excelling at everything they do, parents were signing up their sons into the team house with alacrity. So it is not far fetched that the journalist mentioned the "StarCraft School" in the article. | ||
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