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MrF
Profile Joined October 2011
United States320 Posts
August 05 2012 21:36 GMT
#261
I think the reason why so many people are, as some have put it "butt-hurt" about this article is that there is basically zero mainstream coverage of the sc2 pro scene and this has a very negative feel about it for the most part. If this was just one of many mainstream news coverages then it wouldnt be such a big deal. The fact is that now a whole lot of people who have never heard of pro-gaming are being first exposed to it by a mis-informed and slightly derogatory article which portrays an esports hero as some sort of devient gaming obsessed freak.
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Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 21:39:43
August 05 2012 21:37 GMT
#262
This story is now on the front page of CNN.com.

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Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 21:39:27
August 05 2012 21:38 GMT
#263
On August 06 2012 06:36 MrF wrote:
I think the reason why so many people are, as some have put it "butt-hurt" about this article is that there is basically zero mainstream coverage of the sc2 pro scene and this has a very negative feel about it for the most part. If this was just one of many mainstream news coverages then it wouldnt be such a big deal. The fact is that now a whole lot of people who have never heard of pro-gaming are being first exposed to it by a mis-informed and slightly derogatory article which portrays an esports hero as some sort of devient gaming obsessed freak.

Kinda this. I guess it's more that I feel it's a little like reading a slightly right-wing media outlet's opinion of a slightly left-wing policy. Even if they say they're being expository, there tends to be an overabundance of negative emphasis and very little weight given to positive emphasis. Just look at the way this article was written, even. All of the negative descriptions have tonnes of imagery and literary devices. The token positive stuff at the end is just "and this guy said it might not be bad." There's no weight behind it, or at least it doesn't feel like there is.

(Also the title is completely ridiculous and is yellow journalism to the core).
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
August 05 2012 21:41 GMT
#264
I challenge someone from the SC2 community to rewrite this article in the exact same format but in a more informed manner from the perspective of the SC2 community.

I'd offer but my writing isn't that great and I don't know as much about SC2 as most of the people posting in this thread.
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 21:43:33
August 05 2012 21:42 GMT
#265
On August 06 2012 06:41 Not_Computer wrote:
I challenge someone from the SC2 community to rewrite this article in the exact same format but in a more informed manner from the perspective of the SC2 community.

I'd offer but my writing isn't that great and I don't know as much about SC2 as most of the people posting in this thread.

I would, but I don't have the ability to actually interview psychologists and progamers on the subject of addiction. Honestly, though, the guy who wrote this is a good writer. The article just needed to have more of the positive points of progaming to balance out the negatives if it wanted to be really objective. And, what's more, he knows that some of the criticism is warranted, so he's doing a follow-up. Kudos to him for that. Many journalists would be more inclined to use criticism as proof of erroneous conclusions.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 21:48:37
August 05 2012 21:46 GMT
#266
On August 06 2012 06:42 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:41 Not_Computer wrote:
I challenge someone from the SC2 community to rewrite this article in the exact same format but in a more informed manner from the perspective of the SC2 community.

I'd offer but my writing isn't that great and I don't know as much about SC2 as most of the people posting in this thread.

I would, but I don't have the ability to actually interview psychologists and progamers on the subject of addiction. Honestly, though, the guy who wrote this is a good writer. The article just needed to have more of the positive points of progaming to balance out the negatives if it wanted to be really objective. And, what's more, he knows that some of the criticism is warranted, so he's doing a follow-up. Kudos to him for that. Many journalists would be more inclined to use criticism as proof of erroneous conclusions.

I guess I should have clarified, I didn't expect anyone from the TL community to go out and interview psychologists and progamers on the subject of addiction. I didn't expect anyone to research peer reviewed medical journals or even call up the centre for addiction. What you said is what I want, which is "The article just needed to have more of the positive points of progaming to balance out the negatives if it wanted to be really objective."

Although I didn't know he was doing a follow-up, so I guess I'll have to keep an eye out for that.

edit: spelllling
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 05 2012 21:47 GMT
#267
On August 06 2012 06:37 Chocobo wrote:
This story is now on the front page of CNN.com.

[image loading]

that picture right there.... most people going to cnn.com aren't going to read the story, all they are going to see is that. great job cnn! that picture is worse than the fucking story
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Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
August 05 2012 21:50 GMT
#268
Sex and masturbation is an addiction. Most people keep doing that over and over for the most of their lives. It takes up huge amount of time and energy. People expose their genitalia while doing this, take weird poses and overall look disgusting. It is a shameful activity that has basicly no benefit for the individual or society whatsoever (well besides sex for breeding purposes, if you are doing that its ok). Stop sex and masturbation before it turned us into pleasure addicts.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 21:52:35
August 05 2012 21:51 GMT
#269
On August 06 2012 06:50 Cheerio wrote:
Sex and masturbation is an addiction. Most people keep doing that over and over for the most of their lives. It takes up huge amount of time and energy. People expose their genitalia while doing this, take weird poses and overall look disgusting. It is a shameful activity that has basicly no benefit for the individual or society whatsoever (well besides sex for breeding purposes, if you are doing that its ok). Stop sex and masturbation before it turned us into pleasure addicts.

Most people are not compulsive masturbators, much like most people aren't compulsive videogame players! MKP seems to have played Sc2 because he enjoyed it, not because he was compelled to do it. If you've ever met anyone with serious OCD, addiction kinda looks like that, except oriented around one thing to the exclusion of all others.

( i know you were being sarcastic, btw).
ridethecatbus
Profile Joined February 2012
United States64 Posts
August 05 2012 21:52 GMT
#270
It's easy to be understanding and forgiving towards someone who doesn't know anything about eSports, but this story has obviously been in the works since 2011. There is no excuse for factually incorrect statements and lack of editing to weed out bias.

This wasn't something thrown together in two weeks. I'm only left with the conclusion that this was intentional. I think that's what pisses me off the most.
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 22:13:32
August 05 2012 21:58 GMT
#271
I'm pretty sure that most of the people are mad but I have a one single question.

Would you enjoy when your child was playing any computer game 16+ hours a day?

By the way, if you spend your 5 hours a day studying on your classes, its fine; if you spend on any sort of sports, its fine but overplaying a computer game is just plain waste of time and you guys have to admit that truth.
KillingVector
Profile Joined June 2012
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 22:00:16
August 05 2012 21:58 GMT
#272
First, I feel that this is a terrible article to introduce the public to e-sports. It is equivalent to writing an article about Olympic Weight Lifting and spending more than half of the article discussing a culture of steroids/ unhealthy body images.

Second, the article has misrepresented the "addiction." Its a fact that people have wasted their life on games like WoW, and I'll bet there exist some circumstances involving Starcraft. I can't speak for MMORPG's, but what makes Starcraft great for me is the feeling of winning and improving. This is something that occurs in all sports and facets of life. People like to win. The game is just the vehicle.

Statements like

He quietly unpacked his keyboard at another station and, like a swimmer cooling down in a lap pool -- or an addict looking for one more fix -- started playing the game all over again. He found opponents outside the tournament who would play him on the Internet, sometimes at random.


seems to imply that the author thinks that playing the game itself is whats addicting and driving players. I would tend to think that it is winning. The desire to win is usually not called an "addiction." For example, if a kid skipped school or was delinquent in his studies to play basketball, most people would have a lot to say about such a kid. The word "addiction" wouldn't be one of them.

Edit: I'm pretty sure that author doesn't really care about e-sports and just used the opportunity of writing the article as a paid vacation to Korea.
"In mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them." - John Von Neumann
tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
August 05 2012 22:06 GMT
#273
On August 06 2012 06:58 Hyperionnn wrote:
I'm pretty sure that people here are here mad but I have a one single question.

Would you enjoy when your child when he was playing any computer game 16+ hours a day?

By the way, if you spend your 5 hours studying on your classes, its fine; if you spend on any sort of sports, its fine but overplaying a computer game is just plain waste of time and you guys have to admit that truth.


You aren't going to get rational answers given the demographic... I mean ffs,MKP was sneaking out of bed at all hours of the night to play broodwar, and this is after the hours of gaming he put in at PC Bangs when he should have been studying or socializing. Yea, he made it, but the story would be much uglier if he wasn't good enough to go pro.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 05 2012 22:11 GMT
#274
Well, this was kind of pathetic. Not too shocking though. People from outside the culture tend to be rather clueless regarding progaming.
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Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
August 05 2012 22:12 GMT
#275
On August 06 2012 07:06 tskarzyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 06:58 Hyperionnn wrote:
I'm pretty sure that people here are here mad but I have a one single question.

Would you enjoy when your child when he was playing any computer game 16+ hours a day?

By the way, if you spend your 5 hours studying on your classes, its fine; if you spend on any sort of sports, its fine but overplaying a computer game is just plain waste of time and you guys have to admit that truth.


You aren't going to get rational answers given the demographic... I mean ffs,MKP was sneaking out of bed at all hours of the night to play broodwar, and this is after the hours of gaming he put in at PC Bangs when he should have been studying or socializing. Yea, he made it, but the story would be much uglier if he wasn't good enough to go pro.


By the way, how did I write those horrible sentences, I guess I should go to sleep (:

(Screw the finals at the summer time though)
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-05 22:27:00
August 05 2012 22:20 GMT
#276
If the equivalent language had been used for an actual sport or some activity accepted by society, that'd have been one thing. But eSports is growing, and as such it is very delicate. The very subtle undertones of the article were problematic inasmuch as they were conducive to the harsh assumptions society holds about video games and gamers. It actually was not all that bad an article, but any amount of language suggesting the worst about gaming is likely to encourage the exaggerated way many people view us and our world, both real and online.

But CNNi, being very professional, made amendments and was receptive to criticism. So I'm happy.

Funnily enough, my least favorite part of the article was Tasteless' comments. Keep your pitchforks in; I protest peacefully. But as a universal gamer, I was frustrated by Tasteless' implications. Addicts and competitive gamers are not mutually exclusive. I am as competitive in SC as anyone, and I've been addicted to WoW before and obsessed with TF2 and SC2 (I missed so many classes and so much sleep because I was hooked to 4v4s in my first year at college). WoW is an eSport, no matter how smugly we say "oh, but...strategy, and...mechanics *blow cigar smoke*", and has plenty of professional Arena players, many of whom I'm sure don't eat super-healthy or have outstanding social lives. SC2 has plenty of addicts, who also probably have varying diets and levels of social activity.

Divisive comments like those are actually not good for the growth of eSports, of which StarCraft II is but a fraction.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Vestrel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada271 Posts
August 05 2012 22:26 GMT
#277
The writer did a follow-up to give a topic for discussion rather than just letting people squabble about whatever they like on the other page.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/tech/gaming-gadgets/esport-athletes-gaming-south-korea/index.html
LGStarcraft
Profile Joined August 2012
United States40 Posts
August 05 2012 22:27 GMT
#278
Video games are but one of many forms of addiction in society, and I find it somewhat unfair that these news programs are putting the spotlight solely on videogames. Of course anything in excess is bad, but its not like videogames are worse than drug trafficking or prostitution. JUS' SAYIN.
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
August 05 2012 22:29 GMT
#279
On August 06 2012 07:27 LGStarcraft wrote:
Video games are but one of many forms of addiction in society, and I find it somewhat unfair that these news programs are putting the spotlight solely on videogames. Of course anything in excess is bad, but its not like videogames are worse than drug trafficking or prostitution. JUS' SAYIN.


The problem is, you cant compare videogames with a normal stuff even though you are horribly biased.

JUS' SAYIN.
KillingVector
Profile Joined June 2012
United States96 Posts
August 05 2012 22:36 GMT
#280
On August 06 2012 07:26 Vestrel wrote:
The writer did a follow-up to give a topic for discussion rather than just letting people squabble about whatever they like on the other page.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/tech/gaming-gadgets/esport-athletes-gaming-south-korea/index.html


Except the discussion about the article isn't whether pro gamers should be classified as "athletes." It is for the most part about whether their long practice sessions are the result of an addiction or dedication. The author is going to shift the discussion to semantics by just using a crappy title for his follow up article.
"In mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them." - John Von Neumann
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