EPTCNN article on SC2 and gaming addiction in Korea - Page 14
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MrF
United States320 Posts
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:36 MrF wrote: I think the reason why so many people are, as some have put it "butt-hurt" about this article is that there is basically zero mainstream coverage of the sc2 pro scene and this has a very negative feel about it for the most part. If this was just one of many mainstream news coverages then it wouldnt be such a big deal. The fact is that now a whole lot of people who have never heard of pro-gaming are being first exposed to it by a mis-informed and slightly derogatory article which portrays an esports hero as some sort of devient gaming obsessed freak. Kinda this. I guess it's more that I feel it's a little like reading a slightly right-wing media outlet's opinion of a slightly left-wing policy. Even if they say they're being expository, there tends to be an overabundance of negative emphasis and very little weight given to positive emphasis. Just look at the way this article was written, even. All of the negative descriptions have tonnes of imagery and literary devices. The token positive stuff at the end is just "and this guy said it might not be bad." There's no weight behind it, or at least it doesn't feel like there is. (Also the title is completely ridiculous and is yellow journalism to the core). | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
I'd offer but my writing isn't that great and I don't know as much about SC2 as most of the people posting in this thread. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:41 Not_Computer wrote: I challenge someone from the SC2 community to rewrite this article in the exact same format but in a more informed manner from the perspective of the SC2 community. I'd offer but my writing isn't that great and I don't know as much about SC2 as most of the people posting in this thread. I would, but I don't have the ability to actually interview psychologists and progamers on the subject of addiction. Honestly, though, the guy who wrote this is a good writer. The article just needed to have more of the positive points of progaming to balance out the negatives if it wanted to be really objective. And, what's more, he knows that some of the criticism is warranted, so he's doing a follow-up. Kudos to him for that. Many journalists would be more inclined to use criticism as proof of erroneous conclusions. | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:42 Shiori wrote: I would, but I don't have the ability to actually interview psychologists and progamers on the subject of addiction. Honestly, though, the guy who wrote this is a good writer. The article just needed to have more of the positive points of progaming to balance out the negatives if it wanted to be really objective. And, what's more, he knows that some of the criticism is warranted, so he's doing a follow-up. Kudos to him for that. Many journalists would be more inclined to use criticism as proof of erroneous conclusions. I guess I should have clarified, I didn't expect anyone from the TL community to go out and interview psychologists and progamers on the subject of addiction. I didn't expect anyone to research peer reviewed medical journals or even call up the centre for addiction. What you said is what I want, which is "The article just needed to have more of the positive points of progaming to balance out the negatives if it wanted to be really objective." Although I didn't know he was doing a follow-up, so I guess I'll have to keep an eye out for that. edit: spelllling | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:37 Chocobo wrote: This story is now on the front page of CNN.com. that picture right there.... most people going to cnn.com aren't going to read the story, all they are going to see is that. great job cnn! that picture is worse than the fucking story | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:50 Cheerio wrote: Sex and masturbation is an addiction. Most people keep doing that over and over for the most of their lives. It takes up huge amount of time and energy. People expose their genitalia while doing this, take weird poses and overall look disgusting. It is a shameful activity that has basicly no benefit for the individual or society whatsoever (well besides sex for breeding purposes, if you are doing that its ok). Stop sex and masturbation before it turned us into pleasure addicts. Most people are not compulsive masturbators, much like most people aren't compulsive videogame players! MKP seems to have played Sc2 because he enjoyed it, not because he was compelled to do it. If you've ever met anyone with serious OCD, addiction kinda looks like that, except oriented around one thing to the exclusion of all others. ( i know you were being sarcastic, btw). | ||
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ridethecatbus
United States64 Posts
This wasn't something thrown together in two weeks. I'm only left with the conclusion that this was intentional. I think that's what pisses me off the most. | ||
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
Would you enjoy when your child was playing any computer game 16+ hours a day? By the way, if you spend your 5 hours a day studying on your classes, its fine; if you spend on any sort of sports, its fine but overplaying a computer game is just plain waste of time and you guys have to admit that truth. | ||
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KillingVector
United States96 Posts
Second, the article has misrepresented the "addiction." Its a fact that people have wasted their life on games like WoW, and I'll bet there exist some circumstances involving Starcraft. I can't speak for MMORPG's, but what makes Starcraft great for me is the feeling of winning and improving. This is something that occurs in all sports and facets of life. People like to win. The game is just the vehicle. Statements like He quietly unpacked his keyboard at another station and, like a swimmer cooling down in a lap pool -- or an addict looking for one more fix -- started playing the game all over again. He found opponents outside the tournament who would play him on the Internet, sometimes at random. seems to imply that the author thinks that playing the game itself is whats addicting and driving players. I would tend to think that it is winning. The desire to win is usually not called an "addiction." For example, if a kid skipped school or was delinquent in his studies to play basketball, most people would have a lot to say about such a kid. The word "addiction" wouldn't be one of them. Edit: I'm pretty sure that author doesn't really care about e-sports and just used the opportunity of writing the article as a paid vacation to Korea. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On August 06 2012 06:58 Hyperionnn wrote: I'm pretty sure that people here are here mad but I have a one single question. Would you enjoy when your child when he was playing any computer game 16+ hours a day? By the way, if you spend your 5 hours studying on your classes, its fine; if you spend on any sort of sports, its fine but overplaying a computer game is just plain waste of time and you guys have to admit that truth. You aren't going to get rational answers given the demographic... I mean ffs,MKP was sneaking out of bed at all hours of the night to play broodwar, and this is after the hours of gaming he put in at PC Bangs when he should have been studying or socializing. Yea, he made it, but the story would be much uglier if he wasn't good enough to go pro. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:06 tskarzyn wrote: You aren't going to get rational answers given the demographic... I mean ffs,MKP was sneaking out of bed at all hours of the night to play broodwar, and this is after the hours of gaming he put in at PC Bangs when he should have been studying or socializing. Yea, he made it, but the story would be much uglier if he wasn't good enough to go pro. By the way, how did I write those horrible sentences, I guess I should go to sleep (: (Screw the finals at the summer time though) | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
But CNNi, being very professional, made amendments and was receptive to criticism. So I'm happy. Funnily enough, my least favorite part of the article was Tasteless' comments. Keep your pitchforks in; I protest peacefully. But as a universal gamer, I was frustrated by Tasteless' implications. Addicts and competitive gamers are not mutually exclusive. I am as competitive in SC as anyone, and I've been addicted to WoW before and obsessed with TF2 and SC2 (I missed so many classes and so much sleep because I was hooked to 4v4s in my first year at college). WoW is an eSport, no matter how smugly we say "oh, but...strategy, and...mechanics *blow cigar smoke*", and has plenty of professional Arena players, many of whom I'm sure don't eat super-healthy or have outstanding social lives. SC2 has plenty of addicts, who also probably have varying diets and levels of social activity. Divisive comments like those are actually not good for the growth of eSports, of which StarCraft II is but a fraction. | ||
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Vestrel
Canada271 Posts
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/tech/gaming-gadgets/esport-athletes-gaming-south-korea/index.html | ||
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LGStarcraft
United States40 Posts
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:27 LGStarcraft wrote: Video games are but one of many forms of addiction in society, and I find it somewhat unfair that these news programs are putting the spotlight solely on videogames. Of course anything in excess is bad, but its not like videogames are worse than drug trafficking or prostitution. JUS' SAYIN. The problem is, you cant compare videogames with a normal stuff even though you are horribly biased. JUS' SAYIN. | ||
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KillingVector
United States96 Posts
On August 06 2012 07:26 Vestrel wrote: The writer did a follow-up to give a topic for discussion rather than just letting people squabble about whatever they like on the other page. http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/tech/gaming-gadgets/esport-athletes-gaming-south-korea/index.html Except the discussion about the article isn't whether pro gamers should be classified as "athletes." It is for the most part about whether their long practice sessions are the result of an addiction or dedication. The author is going to shift the discussion to semantics by just using a crappy title for his follow up article. | ||
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