EPTso sad to see
oh actually the video about mvp is really surprisingly good
CNN article on SC2 and gaming addiction in Korea - Page 12
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
so sad to see oh actually the video about mvp is really surprisingly good | ||
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BobbyT
United States48 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:38 Shiori wrote: I don't actually think that's evidence of addiction at all, to be honest. It's more like immense frustrating at being denied something you really enjoy doing. If someone took away a novel I really liked halfway through my reading it, I'd be pissed off. Well yea, I'd be mad too if I was in marineking's shoes when that happened. But I wouldn't have started to scream in my room. From the article's description of the event, it was a reaction outside of what you would normally expect someone to do. It's not proof of addiction obviously, I'm only going off of this article which says he was screaming, but I think that it is definitely evidence of it. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:33 Assirra wrote: Addiction is such a weird subject when its about gaming. Please correct me if i am wrong but as far as i know gaming does nothing addicting with your body/mind compared to lets say smoking or coffee. With coffee if for one day you don't drink it compared to every other day you will feel it even if you don't exactly want coffee With gaming however it is different, since no such thing like that exists can you truly call it an addiction? Imo its more people that can't control themselves rather then being actually addicted. These same people also can get addicted to anything else rather then just gaming. Not 100% true, and im not very well versed in the subject so bear with me in my explanation. Gaming creates moments of satisfaction and accomplishment at a much higher rate then one could normally experience in the real world, and your brain releases a chemical (dopamine) that makes you feel good during these accomplishements etc. and people could very well get addicted to that feeling. At least thats what i understand on the subject, its still a controversial topic though. | ||
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kaokentake
383 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:33 Assirra wrote: Addiction is such a weird subject when its about gaming. Please correct me if i am wrong but as far as i know gaming does nothing addicting with your body/mind compared to lets say smoking or coffee. With coffee if for one day you don't drink it compared to every other day you will feel it even if you don't exactly want coffee With gaming however it is different, since no such thing like that exists can you truly call it an addiction? Imo its more people that can't control themselves rather then being actually addicted. These same people also can get addicted to anything else rather then just gaming. theres physical and non-physical addiction GAMBLING is a heavy form of non-physical addiction. non-physical addiction means you are not addicted to any physical substance you add to your body (like cocaine), instead you are addicted to an activity. however there is still a chemical that you are probably addicted to when dealing with non-physical addictions, and that is DOPAMINE which is the chemical your brain releases when you do the action you enjoy many people report having extreme dopamine releases when they are addicted to gambling, and dopamine withdrawals when they stop gambling ive always thought starcraft was a very light non-physical addiction as ive never released too much dopamine while playing. but maybe MKP released a ton of dopamine while playing so maybe its a stronger addiction for him. who knows really | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
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Executor1
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On August 06 2012 02:51 kaokentake wrote: theres physical and non-physical addiction GAMBLING is a heavy form of non-physical addiction. non-physical addiction means you are not addicted to any physical substance you add to your body (like cocaine), instead you are addicted to an activity. however there is still a chemical that you are probably addicted to when dealing with non-physical addictions, and that is DOPAMINE which is the chemical your brain releases when you do the action you enjoy many people report having extreme dopamine releases when they are addicted to gambling, and dopamine withdrawals when they stop gambling ive always thought starcraft was a very light non-physical addiction as ive never released too much dopamine while playing. but maybe MKP released a ton of dopamine while playing so maybe its a stronger addiction for him. who knows really Thanks thats the chemical in your brain i was looking for DOPAMINE. Here is another example for those that didnt know. The effects of cocaine are that it releases a large amount of dopamine at once in your brain. So really cocaine addicts are in a way Dopamine addicts as they are addicted to the feeling that they get from all that dopamine being released, that is how cocaine gets you high. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:53 jdseemoreglass wrote: Sounds like a lot of people on tl get overly defensive and insecure when the issue of gaming addiction is brought up. Some of the responses are way over the top. I didn't read the article yet but I watched the video and it seemed pretty fair, especially given tasteless' comments. Yea if you read the entire article (something i bet very few people being so defensive did) it paints gaming addicts and pro gamers differently. Even in the case of MKP where he has showed symptoms growing up of what alot of people would think is gaming addiction the end conclusion is that he and most pro gamers are not gaming addicts they are just players with a strong will to succeed. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
On August 05 2012 14:33 Wegandi wrote: No, no one is comparing the merits, benefits, or costs with one activity to another, merely the fact that their definition of addiction is subjective and almost always entails periphery activities in society, or in other words, things they don't like or understand. They then proclaim it dangerous, in some paternalistic fashion, and almost always it is for the purpose of legislating away some more of your liberties and rights. Sorry, but I don't want to live in a society that bans fun, and instead pushes 'efficiency' or 'study study study'. I'm not a fucking robot and everyone is unique. We're not a borg to mold, to shape, to push an agenda on. If someone wants to play a game for 10+ hours a day good for them! Who the hell cares if 'society' or the Government would be better off with another scientist or some shit (it actually doesn't work that way, just ask any Asian country where the restriction of freedom has stifled creativity, entrepreneurship, etc. etc.). Besides, I'm just tired of paternalism that is so rampant. From fucking seat belts, to helmets, to walking your dog on the beach, drinking a beer while taking a walk, etc. For me, something is only an addiction if YOU decide that you don't want to do a particular activity anymore, but you keep doing it anyway. Admittedly, this definition doesn't work very well for, say, a cocaine addiction - doesn't matter whether you want to go clean or not, you're still obviously addicted - but I think it's a useful definition to keep in mind with regards to videogames or porn because so many people throw around the word like it means nothing. Unless MKP wants to quit Starcraft, or unless MKP's brain has had its dopamine button hammered out of existence by Starcraft, MKP is NOT an addict. So even though studying math and science ten hours a day would likely benefit society a million times more than playing Starcraft ten hours a day, still, fuck this article. -.- | ||
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Tyree
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TL gets defensive about it because its Starcraft, if someone came here and said they played WoW for 10 hours they would get laughed off the forum, called addict loser freak. If they said they listened to Justin Bieber albums all day long they would get equal treatment. Biggest 2 issues in esports is that the nature of the thing means that progamers have to practice insane amount of hours a day, if they dont they will simply not be able to compete regardless of talent. "Real sports" avoids this by the very nature that your body will be harmed if you played football for 10 hours a day, or did any sport. It would injure you and strain your muscles. The other issue is cold hard $$$, for every Flash, Nada and Boxer there is 10.000 others who practice just as hard and never make it past being mere practice partners. You cannot parade the exception to the rule around and say "look how far we have come!" when that is not the rule, most progamers make less money and work harder than most people who work minimal pay jobs. The insane expectations put on them by their sponsors, pressure and traveling is grueling. esports is still in infancy stages, i just hope it advances further. The article was fine, and like i said, anyone who does anything for 10 hours a day, better get paid large sums of money for it. Most serious SC2 players do not get paid peanuts let alone any kind of real money to sustain themselves. | ||
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cristo1122
Australia505 Posts
On August 06 2012 00:17 Roe wrote: Kind of seems like you just said there's no such thing as addiction and then went on to define addiction. the point i was trying to make was that too often people see it as he takes drugs therefore drugs are bad except that the fact that he comes from an abusive home had nothing to do with him seeking escapism. therefore unless you address the underly then they will just relapse. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:51 kaokentake wrote: theres physical and non-physical addiction GAMBLING is a heavy form of non-physical addiction. non-physical addiction means you are not addicted to any physical substance you add to your body (like cocaine), instead you are addicted to an activity. however there is still a chemical that you are probably addicted to when dealing with non-physical addictions, and that is DOPAMINE which is the chemical your brain releases when you do the action you enjoy many people report having extreme dopamine releases when they are addicted to gambling, and dopamine withdrawals when they stop gambling ive always thought starcraft was a very light non-physical addiction as ive never released too much dopamine while playing. but maybe MKP released a ton of dopamine while playing so maybe its a stronger addiction for him. who knows really There's no difference between "physical" and "non-physical" addictions (though maybe you mean "substance" addiction versus not). Basics of how addiction works: you get pleasure (dopamine) from doing a particular activity, but with long exposure or repetition with this activity, eventually dopamine receptors in your brain are shut down. This means you need to do more of the activity in order to feel the same pleasure you used to - tolerance. After a while, so many receptors are shut down that even normal levels of dopamine don't feel good anymore (basics of every day life become duller) and that's when the addiction seeking really starts. Then it just snowballs until death or withdrawal =( Which is why I say there's no difference between "physical" and "non-physical" addictions: both gambling and cocaine use the exact same progression. Cocaine just starts off with a helluva lot more effect, which means it's a helluva lot more likely to hook you, and start off more potently. Cocaine and other hard drugs are dangerous as hell... but theoretically, if another addiction goes on long enough, I don't know of any reason why gambling or even videogames couldn't reach the same levels - again, they're just a lot less likely to do so Point is, don't do drugs kids and be careful with porn and videogames and gambling | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
Addiction is the continued use of a mood altering substance or behaviour despite adverse dependency consequences,[1] or a neurological impairment leading to such behaviors.[2] 1. Angres DH, Bettinardi-Angres K (October 2008). "The disease of addiction: origins, treatment, and recovery". Dis Mon 54 (10): 696–721. doi:10.1016/j.disamonth.2008.07.002. PMID 18790142. 2. American Society for Addiction Medicine (2012). Definition of Addiction. | ||
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Zandar
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Xakta
United States35 Posts
In short, it made me mad to read through it. I'ma go back to watching all those 'Addicts' running or swimming around in London now. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On August 06 2012 02:53 jdseemoreglass wrote: Sounds like a lot of people on tl get overly defensive and insecure when the issue of gaming addiction is brought up. Some of the responses are way over the top. I didn't read the article yet but I watched the video and it seemed pretty fair, especially given tasteless' comments. It wasn't fair at all really. They talked about MKP as if he never played BW and that he was a no-name person. He had been Foxer before hand and was pretty well known for being ridiculously good at rushing, MVP at that time was dominant but they never even talked about MMA or the GSL, the main SC2 tourney, not WCG. They basically said that MVP wasn't gaming addicted but that MKP was and that is bad. They basically were un-informed about a lot of things, they never even stopped to explain how gaming culture works and painted it as if addiction to other sports is healthy and gaming addiction is unhealthy. All in all the videos were good but only gave back story to a pretty biased opinion, though well written about Korean E-Sports. | ||
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MrF
United States320 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On August 05 2012 14:19 Wegandi wrote: Good ol' CNN paternalism. What would we do without you! Pests, the lot of them, like a billion mosquitoes all poking and biting you, when all you want to do is be left alone and exercise your own damn rights. Who the fuck cares if someone plays a lot of games? It's their goddamn right. Similarly who the hell cares if someone does a bunch of drugs, it's their damn right. Tired of the corporate-Statist media and all its appendages telling us what 'acceptable' behavior is. Other than their faux-outrage and mission-creep, it would be an ok article. You took this pretty far | ||
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